/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/29/#xubuntu.txt

guzzlefryquick question, if I plug a second monitor in while xfce4 is running, is it likely to detect it?00:59
guzzlefrynevermind, it did :P01:08
knomeyes, always better to ask random people on internet than *gasp* just try it :)01:11
xubuntu77dis there any need to install xubuntu-restricted-extras? sound and video already supported..10:34
green1??10:42
green1me </help>:is there any need to install xubuntu-restricted-extras? sound and video already supported..10:43
RarrikinsYou can see, using `apt show xubuntu-restricted-extras`, whether you want the packages it includes.10:43
green1if i install restricted extras, does that improve anything?10:45
knomegreen1, if everything is working, don't install10:45
knomegreen1, basically it adds support for some extra stuff, but again, if everything is working for you, you don't need it10:46
knomeeg. it doesn't "improve" anything that is already working, it only enables things to work10:46
green1thank you all..:)10:47
chokiany damn bugs fixed now?15:07
chokistill hav issues with suspend freezes :/15:07
knomechoki, just for reminder, whining doesn't help, patches do15:07
chokichrome freezes after suspend15:07
chokiknome: i cant do anything :"(15:08
chokiknome: 15.04 worked like a charm15:08
knomechoki, but you can't expect that people fix bugs faster if you whine either15:08
chokiso why do you destroy 16.04 lts then?15:08
chokiknome: sorry but it is unusable :D15:08
knomeoh you're right, it must be us purposefully putting the bugs there...15:08
knome...nope.15:09
chokii just dont understand how could someone call it LTS15:09
chokinow i know why people use mint that much15:09
knomeagain, whining doesn't help15:09
chokiok15:09
chokii stop :"(15:09
Rarrikinschoki: All OSes have some situations they screw up on.15:09
knomeif you have filed bug reports and followed up with any information you are requested (if any), you have done everything you can (except if you can fix the bugs itself)15:10
chokiRarrikins: i just hate how could someone destroy something that was working before like a charm <315:10
chokii really wish to love xubuntu15:10
chokithe issue is with lightdm15:10
chokiso why not just up/downgrade?15:10
knomechoki, please, by saying somebody "destroys" something, you are implying that somebody has purposefully added the bugs.15:10
knomebecause issues aren't black and white like that.15:10
knomewhile lightdm has a new version, so has many libraries it uses too15:11
chokioh15:11
chokideps deps deps depend on deps15:11
chokiwhat a nightmare :/15:11
knomeso while it may look like the issue is with lightdm, it might be something else15:11
chokiok i understand now15:11
knomeit might be something unexpected in lightdm as well though15:11
knomeseriously, if the developers knew what is causing a bug, they *would* fix them15:12
knomeso far, they don't15:12
chokiknome: do you have these issues?15:12
knomei don't suspend15:12
chokilol15:12
knomeanyway, dinner time15:12
knome(that doesn't mean i don't suspend because i'd have those problems, i just have no use for that feature)15:13
chokiknome: dont you use a laptop?15:13
knomechoki, yes, but i don't suspend, as i said15:27
StayaSinicI use 1404 on thinkpad, and it works well. Last core. Fresh soft. No bugs. Support to 19 year. Don't upgrade. Don't make this mistake.15:29
knomeStayaSinic, except that xubuntu 14.04 is only supported until april 2017...15:29
StayaSinicwow15:30
knomeon the same breath, i use 16.04 on a thinkpad, and it works well.15:30
StayaSinicthat's bad15:30
StayaSinic1604 has some graphical artefacts like windows freezes15:31
StayaSinicmaybe now its fixed15:31
chokiStayaSinic: but i made this mistake :/15:34
chokiStayaSinic: also i dont like to use 3 year old software till 1915:34
chokiStayaSinic: yes freezes all the time :/15:35
StayaSinichow about cpu temp?15:43
chokinot much15:43
StayaSinicabout cpu frequency?15:43
chokilow15:43
choki:D15:44
StayaSinicno, what number?15:44
chokii515:44
StayaSinicI had a bug that the driver intel_pstate make not correct frequency15:45
StayaSinic843   1329   1998 etc15:45
chokii gonna switch back to lm17.3 soon15:45
chokii cant even suspend on my desktop15:46
chokiit says it has no permissions do do so15:46
chokilike srsly15:46
knomechoki, please stop whining, it *really* doesn't help15:46
chokiknome: i dont15:46
StayaSinicpc has freez. but i add  intel_pstate=disable  on /etc/defaul/grub  and pc work well without this ..15:46
knomeand if mint works for you, then use that15:46
chokiknome: but you can't tell me your desktop never suspends15:46
knomechoki, yes i can. i don't suspend.15:47
chokido you have 1.21 Gigawatts?15:47
knomepeople have different usecases15:47
chokii gtg soon15:47
chokioutta this train15:47
chokiin the real life!15:47
chokiwithout any freezes15:47
chokiknome: i gonna eat now see ya :315:48
ilzolendeso, i am currently using non-x ubuntu and i downloaded xubuntu desktop with apt-get, but idk how to use15:48
ilzolendeit15:48
chokiknome: i will be more silent then after i feel not that hungry anymore hahah15:49
chokiilzolende: you need to logout and on login screen there is a button to choose the desktop15:49
ilzolendehow do i use xubuntu-desktop instead of unity?15:49
ilzolendeoh okay15:49
ilzolendethanks15:49
ilzolendei will do that the next time i log out15:49
chokiilzolende: it is a round circle button15:49
ilzolendethanks15:49
chokiilzolende: but why you not just install xubuntu?15:49
ilzolendethe download time was 10x the download time of ubuntu?15:50
chokiO_o15:50
chokino15:50
ilzolendenot in filesize15:50
ilzolendejust in download time15:50
chokixubuntu is smaller usually!15:50
ilzolendealso you didn't seem to have signatures?15:50
ilzolendeor at least i couldn't find a verification procedure15:51
ilzolendeand you guys didn't have https15:53
ilzolende(did you say anything while my computer was closed?)15:53
StayaSinicyou can download xubuntu-core15:55
ilzolendewhat's the advantage of that?15:55
StayaSinichttps://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/15:55
ilzolendeoh, it's smaller15:55
StayaSinic500mb15:55
ilzolendeit still isn't https15:55
ilzolendeand is it signed?15:55
StayaSinicMD5, SHA-25615:56
ilzolendenice15:56
knomethe xubuntu-core ISOs aren't official, yet15:56
StayaSinicrealy?15:56
knomeand note that it isn't the same as the xubuntu desktop ISO15:56
knomeStayaSinic, yes, really.15:57
ilzolendei mean, i currently already have ubuntu, i can make it more xubuntu-like but it seems like a pain to uninstall and reinstall15:57
knomeilzolende, you can install the xubuntu-desktop package if you want to run them side-by-side to test etc.15:57
ilzolende[nods]15:57
StayaSinicok.15:58
ilzolendei mean my friends with opinions say (xubuntu|kubuntu) > ubuntu15:58
Rarrikinsilzolende: The directory of the ISO download will contain hashes and the signature for those hashes (e.g., http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/). The signature can be verified with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto15:59
ilzolende[nods]16:00
StayaSinicwhat is a trouble? need xubuntu - install meta-package && uninstall unity16:01
xanguaGo try uninstall unity...lol16:01
StayaSinicif not a perfectionist - sets all desktop16:02
knomeuninstalling just unity will not leave you with the same desktop as a clean installation of xubuntu either16:02
knomethat's why suggested that installing them side-by-side is a good way to *test* both systems16:02
StayaSinicidle talk16:04
knomesir, yes, sir.16:06
knome(seriously, i'm sure all suggestions are welcome for most people who *ask* for help)16:06
ilzolendei'll try rebooting later, and will hold onto the other suggestions as well16:07
RarrikinsOne nice trick if you have a good Internet connection is to get the minimal install ISO. It lets you choose which flavor you want to install and downloads the latest packages so you're up-to-date.16:07
ilzolendei'm not short on storage space16:07
RarrikinsIt also fits on a CD, unlike most flavors.16:08
knomethough you will end up downloading most of the packages you download with the ISO anyway16:08
knome(just saying...)16:08
RarrikinsYep :)16:08
knobI found this article super interesting: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-shells/16:09
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StayaSinichttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD16:46
chokiknome: u back?17:18
chokialso who is knob ? :D17:18
knomewe have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.17:19
chokiknome: but there is no other chit chat going on atm17:21
knomeand?17:21
chokiknome: i lik yu :317:21
knomethen take your chit chat to #xubuntu-offtopic17:21
chokiwe need to meet some time!17:21
glitchddoes anyone know the location of the icons for the sidebar in thunar?18:28
glitchdmy music folder is missing the icon and id like to fix that18:29
so220Hey everyone. Will xubuntu install on a 8gb USB stick?18:31
glitchdso220, yes.18:32
so220I would like my PC to rub off my usb18:32
glitchdso220, it will work.18:33
so220Thank yiu, g18:33
glitchdso220, use rufus or unetbootin18:33
so220Oh um I have my phone hosting an img. Never tried USB to usb18:33
glitchdwell ive never booted a live usb session/system from the internal storage of my phone, so..18:34
glitchdit will definatly work from an 8gb usb stick, but i have no idea about the internal storage of a phone..18:35
so220Thanks18:35
glitchdwhere is the location of the icons used in the side panel of thunar?18:38
glitchdwhere do xfce themes store their icons?18:44
petejoneshaving an annoying error/slowdown with mousepad. anyone around?21:02
petejonesthe text editor that is21:02
petejonessome sort of dconf error21:03
n-iCehi22:36
n-iCehow much RAM does xubuntu use at first boot22:36
IvanDSMHey everyone, I'm using Trusty Tahr (14.04.2) and would like to know if the 4.2.0 lowlatency kernels on the trusty repositories are vunerable to the Off-path TCP Exploit.22:44
IvanDSMI tried building my own 4.7.2 kernel but the NVidia DKMS drivers throws an error22:47
IvanDSMdriver22:47
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ZypreFirst time trying out any Linux based system! Wish me luck23:54

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