[00:59] <guzzlefry> quick question, if I plug a second monitor in while xfce4 is running, is it likely to detect it?
[01:08] <guzzlefry> nevermind, it did :P
[01:11] <knome> yes, always better to ask random people on internet than *gasp* just try it :)
[10:34] <xubuntu77d> is there any need to install xubuntu-restricted-extras? sound and video already supported..
[10:42] <green1> ??
[10:43] <green1> me </help>:is there any need to install xubuntu-restricted-extras? sound and video already supported..
[10:43] <Rarrikins> You can see, using `apt show xubuntu-restricted-extras`, whether you want the packages it includes.
[10:45] <green1> if i install restricted extras, does that improve anything?
[10:45] <knome> green1, if everything is working, don't install
[10:46] <knome> green1, basically it adds support for some extra stuff, but again, if everything is working for you, you don't need it
[10:46] <knome> eg. it doesn't "improve" anything that is already working, it only enables things to work
[10:47] <green1> thank you all..:)
[15:07] <choki> any damn bugs fixed now?
[15:07] <choki> still hav issues with suspend freezes :/
[15:07] <knome> choki, just for reminder, whining doesn't help, patches do
[15:07] <choki> chrome freezes after suspend
[15:08] <choki> knome: i cant do anything :"(
[15:08] <choki> knome: 15.04 worked like a charm
[15:08] <knome> choki, but you can't expect that people fix bugs faster if you whine either
[15:08] <choki> so why do you destroy 16.04 lts then?
[15:08] <choki> knome: sorry but it is unusable :D
[15:08] <knome> oh you're right, it must be us purposefully putting the bugs there...
[15:09] <knome> ...nope.
[15:09] <choki> i just dont understand how could someone call it LTS
[15:09] <choki> now i know why people use mint that much
[15:09] <knome> again, whining doesn't help
[15:09] <choki> ok
[15:09] <choki> i stop :"(
[15:09] <Rarrikins> choki: All OSes have some situations they screw up on.
[15:10] <knome> if you have filed bug reports and followed up with any information you are requested (if any), you have done everything you can (except if you can fix the bugs itself)
[15:10] <choki> Rarrikins: i just hate how could someone destroy something that was working before like a charm <3
[15:10] <choki> i really wish to love xubuntu
[15:10] <choki> the issue is with lightdm
[15:10] <choki> so why not just up/downgrade?
[15:10] <knome> choki, please, by saying somebody "destroys" something, you are implying that somebody has purposefully added the bugs.
[15:10] <knome> because issues aren't black and white like that.
[15:11] <knome> while lightdm has a new version, so has many libraries it uses too
[15:11] <choki> oh
[15:11] <choki> deps deps deps depend on deps
[15:11] <choki> what a nightmare :/
[15:11] <knome> so while it may look like the issue is with lightdm, it might be something else
[15:11] <choki> ok i understand now
[15:11] <knome> it might be something unexpected in lightdm as well though
[15:12] <knome> seriously, if the developers knew what is causing a bug, they *would* fix them
[15:12] <knome> so far, they don't
[15:12] <choki> knome: do you have these issues?
[15:12] <knome> i don't suspend
[15:12] <choki> lol
[15:12] <knome> anyway, dinner time
[15:13] <knome> (that doesn't mean i don't suspend because i'd have those problems, i just have no use for that feature)
[15:13] <choki> knome: dont you use a laptop?
[15:27] <knome> choki, yes, but i don't suspend, as i said
[15:29] <StayaSinic> I use 1404 on thinkpad, and it works well. Last core. Fresh soft. No bugs. Support to 19 year. Don't upgrade. Don't make this mistake.
[15:29] <knome> StayaSinic, except that xubuntu 14.04 is only supported until april 2017...
[15:30] <StayaSinic> wow
[15:30] <knome> on the same breath, i use 16.04 on a thinkpad, and it works well.
[15:30] <StayaSinic> that's bad
[15:31] <StayaSinic> 1604 has some graphical artefacts like windows freezes
[15:31] <StayaSinic> maybe now its fixed
[15:34] <choki> StayaSinic: but i made this mistake :/
[15:34] <choki> StayaSinic: also i dont like to use 3 year old software till 19
[15:35] <choki> StayaSinic: yes freezes all the time :/
[15:43] <StayaSinic> how about cpu temp?
[15:43] <choki> not much
[15:43] <StayaSinic> about cpu frequency?
[15:43] <choki> low
[15:44] <choki> :D
[15:44] <StayaSinic> no, what number?
[15:44] <choki> i5
[15:45] <StayaSinic> I had a bug that the driver intel_pstate make not correct frequency
[15:45] <StayaSinic> 843   1329   1998 etc
[15:45] <choki> i gonna switch back to lm17.3 soon
[15:46] <choki> i cant even suspend on my desktop
[15:46] <choki> it says it has no permissions do do so
[15:46] <choki> like srsly
[15:46] <knome> choki, please stop whining, it *really* doesn't help
[15:46] <choki> knome: i dont
[15:46] <StayaSinic> pc has freez. but i add  intel_pstate=disable  on /etc/defaul/grub  and pc work well without this ..
[15:46] <knome> and if mint works for you, then use that
[15:46] <choki> knome: but you can't tell me your desktop never suspends
[15:47] <knome> choki, yes i can. i don't suspend.
[15:47] <choki> do you have 1.21 Gigawatts?
[15:47] <knome> people have different usecases
[15:47] <choki> i gtg soon
[15:47] <choki> outta this train
[15:47] <choki> in the real life!
[15:47] <choki> without any freezes
[15:48] <choki> knome: i gonna eat now see ya :3
[15:48] <ilzolende> so, i am currently using non-x ubuntu and i downloaded xubuntu desktop with apt-get, but idk how to use
[15:48] <ilzolende> it
[15:49] <choki> knome: i will be more silent then after i feel not that hungry anymore hahah
[15:49] <choki> ilzolende: you need to logout and on login screen there is a button to choose the desktop
[15:49] <ilzolende> how do i use xubuntu-desktop instead of unity?
[15:49] <ilzolende> oh okay
[15:49] <ilzolende> thanks
[15:49] <ilzolende> i will do that the next time i log out
[15:49] <choki> ilzolende: it is a round circle button
[15:49] <ilzolende> thanks
[15:49] <choki> ilzolende: but why you not just install xubuntu?
[15:50] <ilzolende> the download time was 10x the download time of ubuntu?
[15:50] <choki> O_o
[15:50] <choki> no
[15:50] <ilzolende> not in filesize
[15:50] <ilzolende> just in download time
[15:50] <choki> xubuntu is smaller usually!
[15:50] <ilzolende> also you didn't seem to have signatures?
[15:51] <ilzolende> or at least i couldn't find a verification procedure
[15:53] <ilzolende> and you guys didn't have https
[15:53] <ilzolende> (did you say anything while my computer was closed?)
[15:55] <StayaSinic> you can download xubuntu-core
[15:55] <ilzolende> what's the advantage of that?
[15:55] <StayaSinic> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/
[15:55] <ilzolende> oh, it's smaller
[15:55] <StayaSinic> 500mb
[15:55] <ilzolende> it still isn't https
[15:55] <ilzolende> and is it signed?
[15:56] <StayaSinic> MD5, SHA-256
[15:56] <ilzolende> nice
[15:56] <knome> the xubuntu-core ISOs aren't official, yet
[15:56] <StayaSinic> realy?
[15:56] <knome> and note that it isn't the same as the xubuntu desktop ISO
[15:57] <knome> StayaSinic, yes, really.
[15:57] <ilzolende> i mean, i currently already have ubuntu, i can make it more xubuntu-like but it seems like a pain to uninstall and reinstall
[15:57] <knome> ilzolende, you can install the xubuntu-desktop package if you want to run them side-by-side to test etc.
[15:57] <ilzolende> [nods]
[15:58] <StayaSinic> ok.
[15:58] <ilzolende> i mean my friends with opinions say (xubuntu|kubuntu) > ubuntu
[15:59] <Rarrikins> ilzolende: The directory of the ISO download will contain hashes and the signature for those hashes (e.g., http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/). The signature can be verified with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[16:00] <ilzolende> [nods]
[16:01] <StayaSinic> what is a trouble? need xubuntu - install meta-package && uninstall unity
[16:01] <xangua> Go try uninstall unity...lol
[16:02] <StayaSinic> if not a perfectionist - sets all desktop
[16:02] <knome> uninstalling just unity will not leave you with the same desktop as a clean installation of xubuntu either
[16:02] <knome> that's why suggested that installing them side-by-side is a good way to *test* both systems
[16:04] <StayaSinic> idle talk
[16:06] <knome> sir, yes, sir.
[16:06] <knome> (seriously, i'm sure all suggestions are welcome for most people who *ask* for help)
[16:07] <ilzolende> i'll try rebooting later, and will hold onto the other suggestions as well
[16:07] <Rarrikins> One nice trick if you have a good Internet connection is to get the minimal install ISO. It lets you choose which flavor you want to install and downloads the latest packages so you're up-to-date.
[16:07] <ilzolende> i'm not short on storage space
[16:08] <Rarrikins> It also fits on a CD, unlike most flavors.
[16:08] <knome> though you will end up downloading most of the packages you download with the ISO anyway
[16:08] <knome> (just saying...)
[16:08] <Rarrikins> Yep :)
[16:09] <knob> I found this article super interesting: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-shells/
[16:46] <StayaSinic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:18] <choki> knome: u back?
[17:18] <choki> also who is knob ? :D
[17:19] <knome> we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.
[17:21] <choki> knome: but there is no other chit chat going on atm
[17:21] <knome> and?
[17:21] <choki> knome: i lik yu :3
[17:21] <knome> then take your chit chat to #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:21] <choki> we need to meet some time!
[18:28] <glitchd> does anyone know the location of the icons for the sidebar in thunar?
[18:29] <glitchd> my music folder is missing the icon and id like to fix that
[18:31] <so220> Hey everyone. Will xubuntu install on a 8gb USB stick?
[18:32] <glitchd> so220, yes.
[18:32] <so220> I would like my PC to rub off my usb
[18:33] <glitchd> so220, it will work.
[18:33] <so220> Thank yiu, g
[18:33] <glitchd> so220, use rufus or unetbootin
[18:33] <so220> Oh um I have my phone hosting an img. Never tried USB to usb
[18:34] <glitchd> well ive never booted a live usb session/system from the internal storage of my phone, so..
[18:35] <glitchd> it will definatly work from an 8gb usb stick, but i have no idea about the internal storage of a phone..
[18:35] <so220> Thanks
[18:38] <glitchd> where is the location of the icons used in the side panel of thunar?
[18:44] <glitchd> where do xfce themes store their icons?
[21:02] <petejones> having an annoying error/slowdown with mousepad. anyone around?
[21:02] <petejones> the text editor that is
[21:03] <petejones> some sort of dconf error
[22:36] <n-iCe> hi
[22:36] <n-iCe> how much RAM does xubuntu use at first boot
[22:44] <IvanDSM> Hey everyone, I'm using Trusty Tahr (14.04.2) and would like to know if the 4.2.0 lowlatency kernels on the trusty repositories are vunerable to the Off-path TCP Exploit.
[22:47] <IvanDSM> I tried building my own 4.7.2 kernel but the NVidia DKMS drivers throws an error
[22:47] <IvanDSM> driver
[23:54] <Zypre> First time trying out any Linux based system! Wish me luck