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hikiko hi04:01
jbichagood morning04:03
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Sweet5harkmoin!07:12
ricotzSweet5hark, hey07:27
Sweet5harkricotz: yes, will upload the tarballs. hopefully today with the gtk3.20 theming fixes.07:29
ricotzalright (btw don't forget to SRU 5.1.5 for xenial)07:34
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willcookemorning all07:59
andyrockmorning all08:01
Laneywell helloooooooooOOoooOoooOOO08:02
seb128good mroning desktopers08:05
willcookehey seb128 andyrock Laney08:05
willcookeanother sunny day \o/08:06
willcookewhat crazy shizzle went down yesterday?08:06
seb128hey andyrock Laney willcooke08:06
seb128no crazyness don't worry08:06
Laneyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx08E0b0Rs0 ?08:06
Laneyhi!08:06
Sweet5harkmooorning all!08:07
seb128hey Sweet5hark08:08
Sweet5harkLaney: bzr branch ~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-themes/trunk is the one to patches on? (because thats the one apt-get source tells me)08:08
Laneyhi Sweet5hark08:08
Laneysounds right08:08
Sweet5harkricotz: dude, I cant "forget" about a 5.1.5 SRU because there wont be one, and by default none was ever planned. ranting more about that wont magically change that, it'll just waste everyones time.08:09
Sweet5harkLaney: thx08:09
seb128Sweet5hark, there is nothing SRU worthy in that update? (naive question, I've no idea what it changes compared to our current version)08:11
ricotzSweet5hark, sound not right to ignore this upsteam release!08:11
seb128ricotz, is there any change in it that make it worth getting? does it fix any reported launchpad bug?08:11
ricotzthere are people effected by bugs fixed there08:11
ricotzhttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.1.5/RC1#List_of_fixed_bugs08:12
ricotzhttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.1.5/RC2#List_of_fixed_bugs08:12
ricotzseb128, hi, I don't know if there are reported launchpad bugs matching fixed ones08:13
Sweet5harkseb128: libreoffice SRUs get stuck in review forever and 5.1.5 doesnt fix a security issue. 5.1.6 is the last upstream release on 5.1 and yes, I totally want to get _that_ in xenial as a base for security fixes later down the line as a base for the rest of the LTS.08:14
ricotzbut it is weird not to do this update if upstream provides it and xenial is a lts release08:14
seb128ricotz, it feels weird eating bandwith and review time for updates not worth it08:15
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ricotzSweet5hark, explaining it that way is better than ignoring me and then ranting about it like that08:15
seb128ricotz, skipping one version if it has no urgent fix might make sense in that regard08:15
ricotzseb128, if you feel that way, ok08:16
seb128well at the end of the day it's Sweet5hark's decision but he has a point that SRU teams is reluctant to review libreoffice updates08:16
ricotz(it is not like those 90 bug fixes are nothing to care about)08:16
seb128when is .6 due?08:16
Sweet5harkricotz: experience showed that LibreOffice SRU took month to get through review. by then 5.1.6 will be out by upstream. we are currently at 5.1.4 on xenial for security, so not too far behind.08:16
ricotzseb128, in 2 months08:17
Sweet5harkseb128: october08:17
ricotz"Release 5.1.6 Week 43 , Oct 24, 2016 - Oct 30, 2016"08:17
seb128k08:17
seb128well, up to Sweet5hark as said08:18
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ricotzseb128, Sweet5hark, last note e.g. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10105708:22
ubot5bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 101057 in Base "LO crash when creating database using JDK 1.8.0_102" [Major,Verified: fixed]08:22
Unit193willcooke: Danke.08:22
Sweet5harkricotz, seb128: thats reported as an OS X only bug?08:25
ricotzSweet5hark, I don't think so08:29
ricotzhttps://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=16d60f0632ea16ac5ad8dae2a3781195fef50d9d&h=libreoffice-5-1-508:30
hikikoseb128, about that tty blanking problem you had: a guy in an arch forum suggest we replace our fb with this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/uvesafb I didn't try it yet on my laptop tbh, but you might want to get a look08:32
hikikohe says it's not a tty issue but an fb issue08:33
seb128hikiko, hum, k08:34
* Sweet5hark got steam link working yesterday. still required some amount of tweaking though ...09:18
Sweet5harkheh, the ubuntu-themes build takes ... long for essentially taring a few svgs ...10:15
Sweet5hark... well, it takes ages to run python-scour over the svgs -- which ironically makes most svg bigger(?) by some 20%. lol10:16
Sweet5harkok, seems to be not all of them, just a few.10:17
Laneysuggest turning that off for local builds10:35
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desrtword up, peeps.12:59
willcookehey desrt13:02
desrtmorning, willcooke13:15
desrtthanks for the suggestion to go to linuxcon, btw13:16
desrtthat was a lot of fun :)13:16
willcookedesrt, excellent!  Glad it was good.  Would have been a real shame to miss it if it's on your doorstep13:16
willcookeDid you meet anyone famous?  Other than attente of course13:16
desrtjust my usuals :)13:17
willcooke:))13:17
desrtand some new (non-famous) friends13:17
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seb128hoi14:25
willcookehey seb12814:36
seb128hey!14:37
willcookeseb128, wanna talk interfaces real quick?14:38
seb128willcooke, sure14:39
seb128willcooke, no need to be quick14:39
willcookespeak for yourself :)14:39
seb128lol14:39
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seb128jbicha, hey, is there other changes coming than " * Have account-plugin-owncloud depend on signon-plugin-password"  for the signon issue? we don't ship -owncloud so that change is not a fix for the situation, dunno if you meant it to be one?14:59
jbichaseb128: that appears to be the only thing afffected, everything else either uses oauth (so doesn't need -password) or already depends on mcp-account-manager-uoa which depends on -password)15:02
seb128jbicha, weird, in xenial we were missing -password and adding a google account was not making the associated calendar work in gnome-calendar ... I don't think anything change in that stack that should make it work?15:03
seb128jbicha, did you read the irc log I pointed out yesterday?15:03
seb128jbicha, anyway I guess we need to test it once the rendering issue is fixed...15:04
willcookejust otp - sorry15:29
seb128hey15:31
Trevinho:)15:31
willcookeam I back online?15:31
Laneyno15:31
willcooke:)15:31
willcookeinternet dropped out for  a moment there15:31
* desrt senses a disturbance in the force15:32
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-08-3015:32
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willcookeRoll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (travel), happyaron (travel), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (hols), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)15:32
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Sweet5harkaye15:32
andyrocko/15:33
seb128hey15:33
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willcookeLet's begin15:34
willcooke#topic andyrock15:34
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hikikohi15:34
andyrockMostly unity8 (setup, reading code, understanding)15:34
andyrockon unity7 the usual (bug traiging and reviews)15:35
andyrockeof15:35
willcookethanks andyrock15:35
willcooke#topic attente15:35
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attentehi15:35
attentelast week was just helping to man the booth at linuxcon, helping answer questions people had about ubuntu15:35
attentecontinuing work on the snapcraft jhbuild plugin, trying a new approach here using lxc15:36
attente(eof)15:36
willcookethanks attente, and thanks for doing LinuxCon15:36
willcooke#topic desrt15:36
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jbichaattente: the face of ubuntu15:36
desrt- most of the week spent at Linuxcon Toronto15:36
desrt- talked to lots of people about snappy, and why it exists15:36
desrt- talked to Alex about need for per-container subdirectories in XDG_RUNTIME_DIR15:36
desrt- played with bubblewrap to evaluate it as a tool for snapping15:36
desrt- dconf bridge15:36
desrt- patches/reviewing15:36
desrteof.15:36
willcookethanks desrt15:36
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:36
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dgadomskihey15:36
dgadomski* darktable and rawtherapee snaps are ready for upstreaming, working on that15:36
dgadomski* worked on a fix for #1598183 in gedit; considering libreoffice and geany to be next15:36
dgadomskieof15:36
willcookethanks dgadomski15:37
dgadomskithanks15:37
willcooke#topic FJKong15:37
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willcookeHe's on a plane, but has been at meetings with NUDT15:37
willcooke#topic happyaron15:37
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happyaron1. work on n-m/1.2.4, sort of stuck at split dns config15:37
happyaron2. meeting at Changsha with NUDT & Sogou15:37
happyaron3. support for Sogou Phone IM deal15:37
happyaron4. sponsor of ubuntukylin packages15:37
happyaronEOF15:37
willcookethanks happyaron15:38
willcooke#topic hikiko15:38
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willcookehikiko, are you really here?15:38
hikikohi sorry15:38
hikiko- rewrote some transformations related to the maximized windows animations in expo plugin (removed the gaps that appeared on the screen)15:38
hikiko- almost finished the new approach for the move plugin, I have a few issues left15:38
hikiko- did some new low gfx related fixes in a few compiz plugins (I'll add those at the same MP with the move changes)15:38
hikikoEOF15:38
willcookethanks hikiko15:38
willcooke#topic Laney15:38
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Laney• short week due to public holiday yesterday15:38
Laney• help with beta 1 release for flavours (cdimage, unblocks and stuff)15:38
Laney• work on and submit asgen langpack support, rework after review, dear god gettext is annoying15:38
Laney• theme reviews15:38
Laney• couple of small theme fixes15:38
Laney• Some FFe reviews15:38
Laney🚨15:39
willcooke:) thanks Laney15:39
willcooke#topic qengho15:39
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qengho- New chromium upstream release + API key change. X works, T & P in testing, Y broken and rebuilding.15:39
qengho- Preparing Firefox build with new keys too.15:39
qengho- Planning revocation of old keys. Unupdated browsers with other working services will stop. Thinking of one automatic-APT interval past uploads.15:39
qengho- Chrome snap. Working on disabled-SUID-sandbox warning. Printing may need work.15:39
qengho- RaspPi Chromium crash. Debugging with little memory sucks.15:39
qenghoEOF15:39
willcookethanks qengho15:39
willcooke#topic seb12815:39
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seb128• used one remaining swap day (15th aug)15:39
seb128• yakkety daily iso testing15:39
seb128• worked on some yakkety-proposed migration issues15:39
seb128• fixed rhythmbox menus missing under Unity15:39
seb128• looked a bit a u-c-c/password strength widget issue, reported a bug15:39
seb128• sponsoring (n-m-a)15:39
seb128• reported a bunch of issues from the yakkety daily testing, debugged some to provide more details on the reports15:39
seb128</thisweek>15:40
willcookethanks seb12815:40
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:40
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Sweet5hark- triaged the libreoffice ftbfs on sbuilds (cups related)15:40
Sweet5hark- armtwisted libreoffice 5.2.0 into yakkety (disabled cups in compile-time tests) by convincing gatekeepers to ignore autopkgtests15:40
Sweet5hark- some initial fixes:15:40
Sweet5hark-- disabled cups in autopkgtests too15:40
Sweet5hark-- make libreoffice-gnome depend on -gtk3 instead of -gtk2 now15:40
Sweet5hark-- bumped to 5.2.1~rc2 locally15:40
Sweet5hark-- fixed gtk toolbar theming with gtk 3.20 again (still pending upload)15:40
Sweet5harkEOF15:40
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:40
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:40
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tkamppeter- cups-filters: First attempts to add to the printing stack snap. Some parts work but there are still issues.15:40
tkamppeter- cups-filters: More changes to make it snappable: Replaced build-time hard-coded paths by use of CUPS' environment variables, make sure PPDs get read through CUPS functions, allow turning off domain socket use by cups-browsed.15:40
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Testing and bug fixing of load balancing.15:40
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2016: Coding has ended now. Filled in the final evaluations of the students. For OpenPrinting at least one of the two students performed well, contributing MuPDF support for cups-filters and going on contributing to cups-filters after GSoC.15:40
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:40
willcookethanks tkamppeter15:41
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:41
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Trevinho· Use XI2 input monitor in lockscreen panel, blank window and LIMs15:41
Trevinho· Allow to partially restore windows by using middle-right clicking from the panel15:41
Trevinho· Remove some cairo-generated and uneeded textures from lockscreen15:41
Trevinho· Ensure that the triangle-technique not to open an adjacent menu by mistake works also in LIM and Lockscreen15:41
Trevinho· Fixed a gradient scaling in the Panel15:41
Trevinho· Use input monitor to manage the screensaver/lockscreen blank window (so we don't have to worry about grabs)15:41
TrevinhoEOF15:41
willcookethanks Trevinho15:41
Trevinhoah, fixed issue with theme too...15:42
willcooke:)15:42
LaneyYEAH YOU DID!15:42
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:42
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willcooke- snapd-glib blog post15:42
willcooke- More snapd-glib releases15:42
willcooke- Made snapd-login-service to allow non-root snapd clients to get credentials15:42
willcooke#topic AOB15:42
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willcookeLaney, I've finished moving things to -gtk-scaled - I need to do some proper testing and I'll hit you up about that anon15:43
willcookeAnyone got anything else to discuss?15:43
Laneyk15:44
willcookegoing once15:44
willcooketwice15:45
willcooke#endmeeting15:45
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Aug 30 15:45:26 2016 UTC.15:45
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-08-30-15.32.moin.txt15:45
willcookethanks all15:45
seb128thanks!15:45
Laneynice and efficient15:46
seb128indeed15:46
* desrt blinks15:48
seb128qengho, when do we start landing those new keys? any reason it takes so long, especially for yakkety?15:51
qenghoseb128: In yakkety, linking against Ubuntu's libxslt makes the rendering processes crash. That it was specifically that library took me a few days.15:56
seb128oh, k15:57
qenghoseb128: I think the version in builders now will work. After that, easy to copy. I'm changing firefox and oxide now to give to CCC.16:00
qenghoI'm not sure oxide needs it. Just branched.16:01
qenghols16:04
Laneyis something weird about hinting or fonts on yakkety iso atm?16:05
happyaronno change from l-s (so not me yay16:07
Laneymight be seeing things16:07
seb128I didn't notice anything16:10
seb128but I only tested in vms and I'm not good at noticing visual changes unless they are quite obvious16:10
seb128when did that start for you? today? (didn't test isos since friday)16:11
Laneydunno just tried one now16:12
Laneylemme get a xenial screenshot to compare them side by side16:12
Laneychuga chuga chuga16:16
qenghochrisccoulson: I made firefox-specific keys in lp:~cmiller/firefox/googapi vs lp:firefox .16:18
Sweet5harkhttp://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.2-patch1/hotfix.html oh. apache released their binary "hotfix" which people will ignore, while still downloading the vulnerable version from their homepage. I mean even if you know about the "hotfix", who is doing manual binary patching these days?16:21
Sweet5harkof course, after patching you still have the bundled, EOL and known vulnerable openssl 0.9.x ... so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯16:22
willcookegot a couple of errands to run, bbl16:23
jbichaLaney: we have "Liberation 2" but I thought "Ubuntu" was the default font http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/f/fonts-liberation/unstable_changelog16:30
Laneyjbicha: it should be, see org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name16:33
Laneyhow do you know it's that?16:33
Laneyseems to be16:37
jbichano, I mean Liberation shouldn't affect the default fonts but Liberation 2 is noticeably different than the original Liberation16:37
jbichahmm, see gnome-tweak-tool > fonts, I guess we do use Liberation as "document font" if I understand it correctly16:40
* Laney is checking16:42
Laneyit looks like unity is using gtk-font-name16:43
Laneydon't get it16:46
Laneyargh16:50
Laneyi think it's another race16:51
LaneyTREVINHOOOOOOOOO16:51
ximionLaney: I made asgen to get descriptions from upstream only or from the packaging only, to avoid mixing different descriptions16:56
Laneymixing?16:56
Laneywhen are you going to see different languages at the same time?16:57
Laneyfor the same string16:57
ximionas a sideeffect, this also makes asgen stop spamming maintainers with "description-from-package" hints16:57
ximionhope that's okay16:57
ximionLaney: previously, if there wasn't a localization for a specific language, the code would take the one from the package16:57
ximionnow, it will only do that if the unlocalized string was also coming from the package16:57
ximionso we don't get completely different descriptions in different languages16:58
LaneyI get it, just wondering what the problem is16:58
Laneywhy does it matter if they are different?16:58
Laneyif you look in one language and then go look in another?16:58
ximionit's very confusing for upstream projects and translators16:58
ximionsince it makes it non-obvious where the localization is coming from, and will also result in some locales getting less or wrong information, due to package descriptions being very different from component descriptions16:59
Laneyand you consider that to be better than non-english people seeing english text in some instances?17:00
ximionLaney: actually, yes17:05
ximionbut maybe we can handle this in a better way...17:05
Laneyokay17:06
Laneyit sounds like a programmer's point of view to me, but if you think that it is good for users too17:07
ximionLaney: this actually pretty much depends on how the package description looks like17:10
ximionand whether we implement some code to parse the package-description markup correctly :P17:10
Laneymaybe17:13
Laneythe question is whether having some text in your own language is better than having better text in english which you might not be able to read17:13
Laneyyou can't answer that universally17:14
Laneyright, goodnight17:19
Laneyximion: will fix up the function name tomorrow, or you can do that yourself + merge17:19
Laneygoing to be on at about 09:30 tomorrow, meeting some council people at 08:30 to ride a new bike scheme and tell them what's good and what's bad17:20
Laneylaters17:20
ximionLaney: I'll make another release without that change likely today, and then merge it for the release afterwards17:20
Laneyasgen gets proper releases?17:20
seb128night Laney17:20
ximionalso, for the description thing I will add a few heuristics to decide what to do, and then make it emit a better hint in case we mixed package and component translations17:20
Laneyup to you dude17:21
ximionor rather, have it emit no hint at all in that case, because it's not actionable for package maintainers17:21
Laneyjust gave you my 0.02€17:21
* Laney waves17:21
ximionLaney: that's all I wanted, because I am unsure about this myself ;-)17:21
ximionand yes, asgen has proper releases :)17:21
ximiongood night!17:21
qenghoAnyone have a ARM64 machine they can pastebin the output of "dpkg-architecture" from?17:56
seb128qengho, #ubuntu-devel might have more people who can answer that17:59
Trevinhotedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/libindicator/systemd-unit/+merge/300349 wouldn't be better to have indicator-common depends on  libindicator3-7 (= ${binary:Version}) ?18:00
TrevinhoLaney: or better solution? ^18:00
TrevinhoAlso, I was testing the silo but unity7 doesn't seem to be started from systemd:18:02
Trevinhounity7.service                                                                                   loaded    inactive dead    Unity Shell v718:02
tedgTrevinho: I don't think that it needs the lib, so no.18:07
Trevinhotedg:18:07
Trevinhoago 30 20:04:02 ubuntu-vmware systemd[6354]: [/usr/lib/systemd/user/unity7.service:10] Unknown lvalue 'ExecStart.Pre' in section 'Service'18:07
Trevinhoan extra dot?18:07
tedgTrevinho: Uhg, yes.18:08
Trevinhotedg: can you fix it? So I'll try a rebuild to be ready tomorrow18:08
tedgTrevinho: Yes, pushed18:09
Trevinhothanks18:09
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Trevinhotedg: still a need fixing :-/20:39
tedgHmm, okay. Is it easy or do I need to get my systemd VM setup?20:40
Trevinhotedg: see the inline comment21:44
Trevinhotedg: i think you need the FULL_LIBDIR21:45
robert_ancelldesrt, What's the correct method for making a D-Bus service that runs on demand - should it quit immediately after a request is completed or a timeout. Are there any race conditions when a service shuts down?21:53
desrtrobert_ancell: there if a race, but it is possible to avoid22:17
desrthttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1145422:17
ubot5Freedesktop bug 11454 in core "no way to exit a dbus server without creating a race condition" [Normal,Reopened]22:17
robert_ancelldesrt, ta22:20
robert_ancelldesrt, I get GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown trying to contact my service, but /usr/share/dbus-1/services/io.snapcraft.SnapdLoginService.service exists and seems to be valid. Is there anything else that needs adding?22:37
desrtTry telling the bus to reload it's config?22:43
robert_ancelldesrt, what's that command?22:44
desrtUser bus or system?22:44
robert_ancellsystem22:44
desrtI dunno.  I am on my phone at the CNE22:44
desrtAh22:44
robert_ancellok22:44
desrtPut it in system-services22:45
desrtNot services22:45
desrtAlso be sure to install a security policy if you want non root users to call it22:45
robert_ancellaha!22:45
robert_ancellI have one.22:45
robert_ancellthanks!!22:45

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