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| learnbsd | sigh..gave up on the one plus one and ordered a nexus 4 to play with ub touch on. 75$ for a refurb unit as a secondary isn't too bad. | 02:27 |
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| MrChrisDruif | learnbsd: I know that feeling | 07:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'm just sitting out until GPS and camera are working. | 07:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Is there btw a way to have WhatsApp working on UT as your primary phone? | 07:45 |
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| mcphail | MrChrisDruif: there isn't an official client, no | 08:15 |
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| dinger-donger | !ops | I am abusing /topic | 08:22 |
| ubot5 | I am abusing /topic: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - oubiwann, corp186, popey, k1l, Corey, wgrant, idleone, and ogra. | 08:22 |
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| === ogra_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-12 released! | ||
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| ln0kv | hello. where i find ubuntu touch for htc desire bravo? | 09:43 |
| brunch875 | ln0kv: have a look at this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 09:50 |
| Soe1en | hello | 10:00 |
| Soe1en | I am trying to install ubuntu touch on my bq aquaris e5 fhd with the flashtool but it always throws an error 1045 out | 10:01 |
| Soe1en | can anyone help me out? | 10:01 |
| Soe1en | oh nevermind this time it worked? | 10:09 |
| Soe1en | so when I type adb reboot bootloader, it boots into fastboot mode instead, is that normal? | 10:17 |
| Soe1en | so I think I ordered the wrong device | 10:22 |
| Soe1en | I got bq e5 fhd instead bq e5 hd | 10:23 |
| Soe1en | is it still possible to install ubuntu touch on it? | 10:23 |
| Soe1en | otherwise I will send it back and get the correct device I guess | 10:23 |
| k1l_ | ogra_: do you want to restrict the handling of the topic to ops only? | 10:29 |
| ogra_ | not really | 10:30 |
| ogra_ | most ubuntu channels have the topic open, if this happens more often we should consider loging it down, but not because fo one occurence | 10:31 |
| ogra_ | *locking it down | 10:31 |
| k1l_ | the bigger ubuntu ones have locked them. but was just asking | 10:32 |
| ogra_ | we can always lock it if it really becomes a prob ... i dont think it is one for now | 10:33 |
| Soe1en | I think I will send that device back | 10:50 |
| ogra_ | i dont think there ever was an image for the FHD | 10:51 |
| ogra_ | the HD is is identical to the 4.5 so there wasnt much porting involved ... the FHD has a completely different board | 10:53 |
| Soe1en | ogra_: yeah, I see what you mean... | 10:53 |
| Soe1en | so uh | 10:53 |
| Soe1en | is there any chance to get a device which is not as expenesive and still available on the market? | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | i dont think there are any new phones on the parket currently | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | perhaps ebay has used ones | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | but afaik the only ubuntu device you can buy newly currently iis the M10 tablet | 10:54 |
| Soe1en | ogra_: do you know by any chance if there are any ubuntu smartphones in the market in the near future? | 10:57 |
| ogra_ | no idea, sorry | 10:57 |
| popey | there are phones in the bq outlet | 10:57 |
| ogra_ | oh | 10:57 |
| popey | https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet | 10:57 |
| popey | oh, out of stock now :( | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | but are they sold outside of spain ? | 10:58 |
| popey | dunno | 10:58 |
| popey | ask bq | 10:58 |
| popey | :) | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | :) | 10:58 |
| Soe1en | https://store.bq.com/en/zona-outlet | 10:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | mcphail: official apps are overrated, is there an unofficial app to have WhatsApp working on Ubuntu Touch? =) | 10:58 |
| Soe1en | doesnt look like, the english version has a different sortiment | 10:59 |
| Soe1en | heh, no ubuntu phone for me! | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | MrChrisDruif, if whatsapp detects you are using an unofficial one your account will be locked down ... | 11:01 |
| Soe1en | but thanks for your help | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | (they also hunt down the devs of alternate unapproved clients usually) | 11:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | ogra_: that sucks | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | yes, tell them :) | 11:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | ogra_: I'd rather have everyone I know switch to Telegram... | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:07 |
| brunch875 | I've already convinced a couple of people. Although it'd be preferable to go XMPP | 11:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | But if my account gets locked I have a legitimate reason for forcing others to Telegram or sms =D | 11:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | brunch875: is XMPP better? | 11:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Which platform? | 11:08 |
| brunch875 | well, I can use it on pidgin | 11:08 |
| brunch875 | google talk supports that! | 11:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Used to AFAIK | 11:09 |
| brunch875 | my biggest wish is for utouch to get some xmpp going with notifications | 11:09 |
| brunch875 | then I can just convince people to talk with me via hangouts | 11:09 |
| brunch875 | since most people use android anyway, they won't even need to download anything else; because hangouts comes installed by default | 11:10 |
| MrChrisDruif | brunch875: what about Allo? =/ | 11:11 |
| MrChrisDruif | That's why I don't trust Google anymore | 11:12 |
| brunch875 | it's the first time I hear about Allo | 11:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Too many failed projects that just get dumped | 11:12 |
| brunch875 | does it still use the hangouts platform? | 11:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | It (in conjunction with Duo) will replace Hangings for consumers... | 11:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | Not sure | 11:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | s/Hangings/Hangouts | 11:13 |
| brunch875 | I suppose it does, since hangouts is the old google talk anyway | 11:14 |
| brunch875 | it seems like just another client built atop of it | 11:14 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, hey, mind if we discuss bug 1419803 here? :) | 11:16 |
| ubot5 | bug 1419803 in ubuntu-download-manager "Update download would not resume after lost and regained network connection" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419803 | 11:17 |
| la_juyis | jgdx: of course not | 11:17 |
| la_juyis | tell me :) | 11:17 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, great, I'd really like the /var/log/system-image/client.log (use sudo to read this) before and after running $ sudo system-image-cli -g | 11:18 |
| la_juyis | ok, let me grab them... | 11:21 |
| jgdx | thx | 11:21 |
| la_juyis | jgdx: what should i expect while running system-image-cli? (it's hanged - or at least no feedback) | 11:25 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, did you pass the -g flag? | 11:25 |
| la_juyis | yep | 11:25 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, aah, sorry. -gv | 11:25 |
| jgdx | (means get/download as well as being verbose about it) | 11:26 |
| la_juyis | ah! gotchya | 11:26 |
| la_juyis | jgdx: uploaded - it's now offering to install, should i proceed? | 11:32 |
| jgdx | jibel, hey, do you have time to talk about bug 1618157? | 11:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1618157 in Canonical System Image "xenial/arm64 - no system-settings/about panel" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1618157 | 11:32 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, sure. | 11:34 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, I think we'll leave bug 1419803 alone and use bug 1617290 instead. | 11:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1419803 in ubuntu-download-manager "Update download would not resume after lost and regained network connection" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419803 | 11:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1617290 in system-image (Ubuntu) "System Image fails with “FileNotFoundError”" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617290 | 11:36 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, hm, actually, maybe we should mark the latter as duplicate of the 14… bug. | 11:38 |
| la_juyis | jgdx: not sure if it is the exact same thing - meaning my situation was due to a network "Error" (maybe not very gracefully handled) while this other bug (16...) looks like something different | 11:41 |
| jgdx | la_juyis, yes, makes sense. Anyway, thanks for the logs. | 11:44 |
| la_juyis | jgdx: np, thanks for untrapping me :) | 11:44 |
| jgdx | barry, ping | 12:01 |
| jibel | jgdx, sure I've time | 12:07 |
| jibel | jgdx, what do you want to know? | 12:08 |
| jgdx | jibel, seems 21 is a bit old, does uss still crash on 24? | 12:09 |
| jgdx | jibel, and anything in the logs or are you not able to get to them because of no adb | 12:09 |
| jibel | jgdx, 21 is 3 days old | 12:09 |
| jgdx | like way old | 12:10 |
| jibel | heh | 12:11 |
| jgdx | jibel, reason I'm pointing that out is that we had an issue with ual2/3 and uss had to be rebuilt around that time | 12:11 |
| jibel | ah maybe | 12:11 |
| jibel | I'll upgrade | 12:11 |
| jgdx | i'm flashing #24 or latest right now | 12:11 |
| jibel | I found nothing obvious in the logs | 12:12 |
| jgdx | jibel also, maybe do a dpkg --list | grep ii | grep ubuntu-app-launch to verify only one lib version installed | 12:13 |
| jibel | jgdx, I've ubuntu-app-launch 0.9+16.04.20160825-0ubuntu1 | 12:16 |
| jibel | jgdx, is it the right version? | 12:17 |
| jibel | and u-s-s 0.4+16.04.20160824.1-0ubuntu1 | 12:17 |
| jgdx | jibel, sorry, the lib | 12:17 |
| jgdx | 24 is a bit old IIRC | 12:18 |
| jibel | jgdx, the lib is the same version and it's ual3 | 12:20 |
| jgdx | jibel, good show | 12:20 |
| jibel | jgdx, anything in this list that would affect uss and must be upgraded http://paste.ubuntu.com/23111650/ ? | 12:32 |
| jgdx | jibel, Mirv said qtmir had to be upgraded to get unity8 to boot at all, maybe it's also affecting uss. Not sure | 12:33 |
| Mirv | jgdx: no we couldn't run u-s-s or any other app if we didn't have the qtmir updated already | 12:35 |
| jibel | jgdx, and how would it affect only the 'about' section? | 12:42 |
| jgdx | jibel, I don't know yet | 12:44 |
| jibel | jgdx, I'm flashing 25 | 12:45 |
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| jibel | jgdx, I flashed 25 and still no 'about' section. When I launch it from the indicator, uss starts and stops immediately | 13:31 |
| jgdx | i can't flash 25 | 13:31 |
| jibel | jgdx, I'll try to gather some data, testing 71 right now | 13:32 |
| jgdx | thanks | 13:32 |
| barry | jgdx: pong | 13:55 |
| jgdx | barry, hey, I've been seeing a lot of FileNotFoundErrors on S-I downloads. Do you know what could be the cause? | 13:56 |
| barry | jgdx: do you have a log capture? | 13:56 |
| jgdx | barry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1419803/+attachment/4730763/+files/logs.tar | 13:57 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1419803 in ubuntu-download-manager "Update download would not resume after lost and regained network connection" [High,Triaged] | 13:57 |
| jgdx | barry, from bug 1419803 | 13:57 |
| barry | jgdx: looking | 13:58 |
| jgdx | barry, seems a CheckForUpdates is required to unblock it | 13:59 |
| barry | jgdx: i think that error (in before.log) is saying that udm is reporting an error because it cannot find the file at the http: resource. i can't think of why that would happen | 14:05 |
| barry | jgdx: it could be anything from udm getting a 404 from the server, to something on our side | 14:05 |
| barry | jgdx: would you have any logs of udm and/or the http traffic? | 14:06 |
| jgdx | barry, could you ask la_juyis that? She's experienced this just this morning. | 14:07 |
| barry | la_juyis: hi. ^^ | 14:08 |
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| tvoss | Saviq: o/ | 15:30 |
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| javier4 | porting wiki says totry to build recovery first. Are clockworkmode sources already included in ubuntu tree? If yes, what's the target to give to make to build a recovery? Or should I use the classic "makerecovery"? | 16:05 |
| volga629 | Hello Everyone, is ubuntu phone app is contain sip settings ? | 16:09 |
| volga629 | or where I can find information about it ? | 16:09 |
| peat-psuwit | javier4: run "make recoveryimage" and the recovery image will be at $OUT/recovery.img | 16:14 |
| javier4 | peat-psuwit, ok, like in the pure AOSP. Thanks. | 16:15 |
| peat-psuwit | javier4: Indeed, it is an AOSP tree. It just contains a lot less things. | 16:18 |
| javier4 | peat-psuwit, it's time to create a better wiki page. It's not possible to really understand what has to be added to ubuntu tree from your own AOSP tree to port a new device. It's not easy to understand which AOSP subdirs ubuntu needs and which not. And nobody can say if you have to make changes inside build/ or other directories. My tree is customized by mediatek, so it's surely harder to adapt, but that page really lac | 16:21 |
| javier4 | ks too many infos. | 16:21 |
| javier4 | lol. And now why recoveryimage is trying to download an initrd. Ok, I'll try when I have found some more informations. | 16:24 |
| pawiecki | Hi, im looking into trying Ubuntu on my Nexus 4. Can you share your 'success story' and experience as a primary phone? | 16:40 |
| learnbsd | pawiecki: i just ordered a nexus 4 because it's officially supported...i had it on a oneplus one and it worked fine with a few small problems..the biggest for me being no headphone jack | 16:43 |
| pawiecki | learnbsd: wow, even where i live, they are pretty cheap now. I love the design, but could use some upgrades now :) | 16:46 |
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| learnbsd | pawiecki: yeah i got a refurb for 70$...not bad... | 17:24 |
| learnbsd | if i break it oh well, it'll be a backup i put my oneplus back on android for now. Plan on buying a new phone later this year or early next year anyway just waiting for something i like to pop up | 17:24 |
| pawiecki | learnbsd: converting to $ i see new ones with 2y warranty for about 90-120$ | 17:41 |
| sil2100 | seb128: hey! Do you by any chance know how to add translation projects to the ubuntu-rtm/15.04 series? | 17:42 |
| sil2100 | seb128: i.e. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04 | 17:42 |
| bq-user | Hello, hi, salut | 17:47 |
| mimecar | hi bq-user | 17:47 |
| bq-user | Sorry pour that... But, is everybody speak english ? | 17:47 |
| bq-user | sorry for that | 17:48 |
| mimecar | this is an english channel | 17:48 |
| bq-user | Ok | 17:48 |
| mimecar | there'is another channel related with ubuntu touch on spanish | 17:48 |
| bq-user | is there french channel ? | 17:48 |
| mimecar | I don't know | 17:48 |
| bq-user | Oh | 17:48 |
| bq-user | , I prefer english lol | 17:48 |
| bq-user | I've got a question... | 17:49 |
| bq-user | Is it possible to install Ubuntu Touch on BQ Aquaris E5 (Android) ? | 17:49 |
| mimecar | yes | 17:49 |
| bq-user | I did some research, but I don't success to install it | 17:50 |
| mimecar | it looks you must use the SN | 17:50 |
| bq-user | the SN ? What do you mean, please ? | 17:51 |
| mcphail | bq-user: http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/09/16/ubuntu-android-installation-process-for-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-e5/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0 | 17:51 |
| ogra_ | note that it only works for E5 HD ... not FHD, that has a differemt SoC | 17:52 |
| bq-user | Ok | 17:52 |
| mimecar | bq-user, http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/2016/07/29/firmware-ubuntu-15-04-ota-12-2/ | 17:52 |
| bq-user | thank you very much | 17:53 |
| bq-user | thank you all | 17:53 |
| mimecar | you should backup all your data | 17:53 |
| bq-user | ok | 17:53 |
| mimecar | if you use SPFlash Tool (GUI) for firmware installation | 17:54 |
| bq-user | Is there a recovery software ? | 17:54 |
| bq-user | Ok | 17:54 |
| mimecar | never select Format all option | 17:54 |
| bq-user | SPFlash Tool... | 17:54 |
| bq-user | Where I can find it ? On google Play ? | 17:54 |
| mimecar | check the url mcphail posted | 17:54 |
| bq-user | ok | 17:55 |
| bq-user | Yes I see | 17:55 |
| bq-user | I go read this | 17:55 |
| bq-user | ;) | 17:55 |
| bq-user | Thanks | 17:55 |
| mcphail | bq-user: I would advise you to follow the steps in that guide very closely. There is a chance you can brick your phone if you do things wrong | 17:55 |
| seb128 | sil2100, no, sorry but I don't | 17:56 |
| bq-user | ok ^^ | 17:56 |
| sil2100 | seb128: sorry to disturb then, thanks :) | 17:56 |
| seb128 | no worry | 17:56 |
| bq-user | (y) | 17:56 |
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| bq-user | @mcphail I suppose it's not possible to install ubuntu touch on Aquaris E5 LTE ? | 18:23 |
| bq-user | message to mcphail...My phone is Aquaris E5 LTE... I suppose it's not possible to install ubuntu touch on Aquaris E5 LTE ? | 18:25 |
| bq-user | #mcphail | 18:29 |
| bq-user | Hi, again... | 18:29 |
| mimecar | bq-user, warning | 18:31 |
| mimecar | is not the same model E5 and E5 LTG | 18:31 |
| mimecar | E5 HD (3G) use a Mediatek SOC | 18:31 |
| mimecar | your device use a Qualcomm SOC | 18:32 |
| mcphail | bq-user: I think that is a different device, You're probably out of luck | 18:34 |
| bq-user_ | Hi, again... | 18:34 |
| bq-user_ | ok | 18:34 |
| bq-user_ | I'm sad :( | 18:35 |
| bq-user_ | Thanks | 18:35 |
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| mcrx | hi guys! quick questionm | 19:51 |
| mcrx | is there a way to remap caps lock to ctrl in ubuntu touch (with a bt keyboard) | 19:51 |
| mr-woof | hi all | 20:09 |
| mr-woof | I've just installed Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4, are there known issues with connecting to wireless networks? | 20:11 |
| dobey | mr-woof: what channel did you use? | 20:12 |
| mr-woof | Stable, Dobey | 20:12 |
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| mr-woof | if I had the password showing and then click connect, it vanishes | 20:12 |
| mr-woof | if I hide the password it'll connect | 20:12 |
| dobey | that's weird, but maybe related to the issue that was fixed in rc-proposed and should be fixed in the next stable update as well | 20:13 |
| mr-woof | is there a limit to the amount of characters it'll take as a password? | 20:13 |
| mr-woof | My guest network is 22 and it works, my normal network is a lot longer and it doesnt want to know | 20:14 |
| dobey | mr-woof: ah yes, there was an issue with long passwords (and taking more than about 25 seconds to enter the password) | 20:15 |
| JanC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1588126 | 20:15 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1588126 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[regression] Adding new wifi networks (with long passwords) never connect at all in OTA-11 and OTA-12" [High,Confirmed] | 20:15 |
| JanC | that one? :) | 20:15 |
| dobey | yeah | 20:15 |
| mr-woof | ah that sounds like the one | 20:15 |
| mr-woof | at least it's not me typing in the password incorrectly | 20:15 |
| mr-woof | :-) | 20:15 |
| mr-woof | daft question, how can I tell what version I'm on? | 20:16 |
| JanC | in the system settings there is an item for info about the phone | 20:17 |
| mr-woof | ah yeah, got it, ota-12 | 20:17 |
| mr-woof | how often do the OTA updates come out? | 20:18 |
| JanC | 6 weeks usually, I think | 20:18 |
| mr-woof | seems decent so far, I'm just trying to find my way round the OS at the moment | 20:20 |
| mr-woof | any recommendations on anything I should install from the ubuntu store? | 20:21 |
| JanC | if you don't have them yet, maybe: terminal-app, uNav, uTorch, uApp Explorer, Cloud Music, Dekko, Trolly, ...? | 20:26 |
| JanC | and a couple of games maybe :) | 20:27 |
| mr-woof | got a couple of those, not trolly | 20:28 |
| mr-woof | lets see :) | 20:28 |
| JanC | it's to keep shopping lists on your phone | 20:28 |
| mr-woof | ha Trolly is a good idea | 20:28 |
| JanC | (there are more advanced apps that can do shopping lists, but I prefer Trolly because it's simple/simplistic) | 20:30 |
| mr-woof | it looks good, I'll have to dig out my ubuntu login | 20:38 |
| mr-woof | actually got another daft question, I take it (at the moment) there isn't any encryption on the phones? | 20:39 |
| dobey | well the "disk" isn't encrypted, right | 20:40 |
| mr-woof | I wonder if that's something in the pipeline? | 20:40 |
| dobey | yes it is | 20:40 |
| mr-woof | sounds like a plan :) | 20:41 |
| dobey | depends on switch to snaps though i think | 20:41 |
| mr-woof | what channel do you use? | 20:41 |
| dobey | my nexus 4 has rc-proposed on it, but i kind of have to have it that way :) | 20:42 |
| mr-woof | are you developing for the phone? | 20:43 |
| dobey | yes | 20:43 |
| mr-woof | as someone who is completely new to this OS on a phone, is it worth me going to the rc channel? | 20:43 |
| mr-woof | or staying on stable for now? | 20:43 |
| dobey | unless you're wanting to test new features and such, i'd suggest staying on stable | 20:44 |
| mr-woof | suppose that makes sense :) | 20:45 |
| mr-woof | the os looks good so far, I've heard a lot about it but not had the chance to have a play with it | 20:45 |
| JanC | it also depends if you want to use it as your main phone or just for experimenting | 20:46 |
| mr-woof | I'm probably going to use it just as the experimenting for now | 20:47 |
| mr-woof | I have a nexus 5 with Android on there for my main phone at the mo | 20:47 |
| JanC | still probably best to start with stable, I guess | 20:49 |
| mr-woof | yeah I think I agree :@) | 20:49 |
| mr-woof | thanks for the help guys | 20:52 |
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| javier4 | why make recoveryimage tries to download ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd? | 21:40 |
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