[02:27] <learnbsd> sigh..gave up on the one plus one and ordered a nexus 4 to play with ub touch on.  75$ for a refurb unit as a secondary isn't too bad.
[07:44] <MrChrisDruif> learnbsd: I know that feeling
[07:44] <MrChrisDruif> I'm just sitting out until GPS and camera are working.
[07:45] <MrChrisDruif> Is there btw a way to have WhatsApp working on UT as your primary phone?
[08:15] <mcphail> MrChrisDruif: there isn't an official client, no
[08:22] <dinger-donger> !ops | I am abusing /topic
[09:43] <ln0kv> hello. where i find ubuntu touch for htc desire bravo?
[09:50] <brunch875> ln0kv: have a look at this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[10:00] <Soe1en> hello
[10:01] <Soe1en> I am trying to install ubuntu touch on my bq aquaris e5 fhd with the flashtool but it always throws an error 1045 out
[10:01] <Soe1en> can anyone help me out?
[10:09] <Soe1en> oh nevermind this time it worked?
[10:17] <Soe1en> so when I type adb reboot bootloader, it boots into fastboot mode instead, is that normal?
[10:22] <Soe1en> so I think I ordered the wrong device
[10:23] <Soe1en> I got bq e5 fhd instead bq e5 hd
[10:23] <Soe1en> is it still possible to install ubuntu touch on it?
[10:23] <Soe1en> otherwise I will send it back and get the correct device I guess
[10:29] <k1l_> ogra_: do you want to restrict the handling of the topic to ops only?
[10:30] <ogra_> not really
[10:31] <ogra_> most ubuntu channels have the topic open, if this happens more often we should consider loging it down, but not because fo one occurence
[10:31] <ogra_> *locking it down
[10:32] <k1l_> the bigger ubuntu ones have locked them. but was just asking
[10:33] <ogra_> we can always lock it if it really becomes a prob ... i dont think it is one for now
[10:50] <Soe1en> I think I will send that device back
[10:51] <ogra_> i dont think there ever was an image for the FHD
[10:53] <ogra_> the HD is is identical to the 4.5 so there wasnt much porting involved ... the FHD has a completely different board
[10:53] <Soe1en> ogra_: yeah, I see what you mean...
[10:53] <Soe1en> so uh
[10:54] <Soe1en> is there any chance to get a device which is not as expenesive and still available on the market?
[10:54] <ogra_> i dont think there are any new phones on the parket currently
[10:54] <ogra_> perhaps ebay has used ones
[10:54] <ogra_> but afaik the only ubuntu device you can buy newly currently iis the M10 tablet
[10:57] <Soe1en> ogra_: do you know by any chance if there are any ubuntu smartphones in the market in the near future?
[10:57] <ogra_> no idea, sorry
[10:57] <popey> there are phones in the bq outlet
[10:57] <ogra_> oh
[10:57] <popey> https://store.bq.com/es/zona-outlet
[10:58] <popey> oh, out of stock now :(
[10:58] <ogra_> but are they sold outside of spain ?
[10:58] <popey> dunno
[10:58] <popey> ask bq
[10:58] <popey> :)
[10:58] <ogra_> :)
[10:58] <Soe1en> https://store.bq.com/en/zona-outlet
[10:58] <MrChrisDruif> mcphail: official apps are overrated, is there an unofficial app to have WhatsApp working on Ubuntu Touch? =)
[10:59] <Soe1en> doesnt look like, the english version has a different sortiment
[11:01] <Soe1en> heh, no ubuntu phone for me!
[11:01] <ogra_> MrChrisDruif, if whatsapp detects you are using an unofficial one your account will be locked down ...
[11:01] <Soe1en> but thanks for your help
[11:02] <ogra_> (they also hunt down the devs of alternate unapproved clients usually)
[11:02] <MrChrisDruif> ogra_: that sucks
[11:02] <ogra_> yes, tell them :)
[11:06] <MrChrisDruif> ogra_: I'd rather have everyone I know switch to Telegram...
[11:07] <ogra_> yeah
[11:07] <brunch875> I've already convinced a couple of people. Although it'd be preferable to go XMPP
[11:08] <MrChrisDruif> But if my account gets locked I have a legitimate reason for forcing others to Telegram or sms =D
[11:08] <MrChrisDruif> brunch875: is XMPP better?
[11:08] <MrChrisDruif> Which platform?
[11:08] <brunch875> well, I can use it on pidgin
[11:08] <brunch875> google talk supports that!
[11:09] <MrChrisDruif> Used to AFAIK
[11:09] <brunch875> my biggest wish is for utouch to get some xmpp going with notifications
[11:09] <brunch875> then I can just convince people to talk with me via hangouts
[11:10] <brunch875> since most people use android anyway, they won't even need to download anything else; because hangouts comes installed by default
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> brunch875: what about Allo? =/
[11:12] <MrChrisDruif> That's why I don't trust Google anymore
[11:12] <brunch875> it's the first time I hear about Allo
[11:12] <MrChrisDruif> Too many failed projects that just get dumped
[11:13] <brunch875> does it still use the hangouts platform?
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> It (in conjunction with Duo) will replace Hangings for consumers...
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> Not sure
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> s/Hangings/Hangouts
[11:14] <brunch875> I suppose it does, since hangouts is the old google talk anyway
[11:14] <brunch875> it seems like just another client built atop of it
[11:16] <jgdx> la_juyis, hey, mind if we discuss bug 1419803 here? :)
[11:17] <la_juyis> jgdx: of course not
[11:17] <la_juyis> tell me :)
[11:18] <jgdx> la_juyis, great, I'd really like the /var/log/system-image/client.log (use sudo to read this) before and after running $ sudo system-image-cli -g
[11:21] <la_juyis> ok, let me grab them...
[11:21] <jgdx> thx
[11:25] <la_juyis> jgdx: what should i expect while running system-image-cli? (it's hanged - or at least no feedback)
[11:25] <jgdx> la_juyis, did you pass the -g flag?
[11:25] <la_juyis> yep
[11:25] <jgdx> la_juyis, aah, sorry. -gv
[11:26] <jgdx> (means get/download as well as being verbose about it)
[11:26] <la_juyis> ah! gotchya
[11:32] <la_juyis> jgdx: uploaded - it's now offering to install, should i proceed?
[11:32] <jgdx> jibel, hey, do you have time to talk about bug 1618157?
[11:34] <jgdx> la_juyis, sure.
[11:36] <jgdx> la_juyis, I think we'll leave bug 1419803 alone and use bug 1617290 instead.
[11:38] <jgdx> la_juyis, hm, actually, maybe we should mark the latter as duplicate of the 14… bug.
[11:41] <la_juyis> jgdx: not sure if it is the exact same thing - meaning my situation was due to a network "Error" (maybe not very gracefully handled) while this other bug (16...) looks like something different
[11:44] <jgdx> la_juyis, yes, makes sense. Anyway, thanks for the logs.
[11:44] <la_juyis> jgdx: np, thanks for untrapping me :)
[12:01] <jgdx> barry, ping
[12:07] <jibel> jgdx, sure I've time
[12:08] <jibel> jgdx, what do you want to know?
[12:09] <jgdx> jibel, seems 21 is a bit old, does uss still crash on 24?
[12:09] <jgdx> jibel, and anything in the logs or are you not able to get to them because of no adb
[12:09] <jibel> jgdx, 21 is 3 days old
[12:10] <jgdx> like way old
[12:11] <jibel> heh
[12:11] <jgdx> jibel, reason I'm pointing that out is that we had an issue with ual2/3 and uss had to be rebuilt around that time
[12:11] <jibel> ah maybe
[12:11] <jibel> I'll upgrade
[12:11] <jgdx> i'm flashing #24 or latest right now
[12:12] <jibel> I found nothing obvious in the logs
[12:13] <jgdx> jibel also, maybe do a dpkg --list | grep ii | grep ubuntu-app-launch to verify only one lib version installed
[12:16] <jibel> jgdx, I've  ubuntu-app-launch                                     0.9+16.04.20160825-0ubuntu1
[12:17] <jibel> jgdx, is it the right version?
[12:17] <jibel> and u-s-s  0.4+16.04.20160824.1-0ubuntu1
[12:17] <jgdx> jibel, sorry, the lib
[12:18] <jgdx> 24 is a bit old IIRC
[12:20] <jibel> jgdx, the lib is the same version and it's ual3
[12:20] <jgdx> jibel, good show
[12:32] <jibel> jgdx, anything in this list that would affect uss and must be upgraded http://paste.ubuntu.com/23111650/ ?
[12:33] <jgdx> jibel, Mirv said qtmir had to be upgraded to get unity8 to boot at all, maybe it's also affecting uss. Not sure
[12:35] <Mirv> jgdx: no we couldn't run u-s-s or any other app if we didn't have the qtmir updated already
[12:42] <jibel> jgdx, and how would it affect only the 'about' section?
[12:44] <jgdx> jibel, I don't know yet
[12:45] <jibel> jgdx, I'm flashing 25
[13:31] <jibel> jgdx, I flashed 25 and still no 'about' section. When I launch it from the indicator, uss starts and stops immediately
[13:31] <jgdx> i can't flash 25
[13:32] <jibel> jgdx, I'll try to gather some data, testing 71 right now
[13:32] <jgdx> thanks
[13:55] <barry> jgdx: pong
[13:56] <jgdx> barry, hey, I've been seeing a lot of FileNotFoundErrors on S-I downloads. Do you know what could be the cause?
[13:56] <barry> jgdx: do you have a log capture?
[13:57] <jgdx> barry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1419803/+attachment/4730763/+files/logs.tar
[13:57] <jgdx> barry, from bug 1419803
[13:58] <barry> jgdx: looking
[13:59] <jgdx> barry, seems a CheckForUpdates is required to unblock it
[14:05] <barry> jgdx: i think that error (in before.log) is saying that udm is reporting an error because it cannot find the file at the http: resource.  i can't think of why that would happen
[14:05] <barry> jgdx: it could be anything from udm getting a 404 from the server, to something on our side
[14:06] <barry> jgdx: would you have any logs of udm and/or the http traffic?
[14:07] <jgdx> barry, could you ask la_juyis that? She's experienced this just this morning.
[14:08] <barry> la_juyis: hi.  ^^
[15:30] <tvoss> Saviq: o/
[16:05] <javier4> porting wiki says totry to build recovery first. Are clockworkmode sources already included in ubuntu tree? If yes, what's the target to give to make to build a recovery? Or should I use the classic "makerecovery"?
[16:09] <volga629> Hello Everyone, is ubuntu phone app is contain sip settings ?
[16:09] <volga629> or where I can find information about it ?
[16:14] <peat-psuwit> javier4: run "make recoveryimage" and the recovery image will be at $OUT/recovery.img
[16:15] <javier4> peat-psuwit, ok, like in the pure AOSP. Thanks.
[16:18] <peat-psuwit> javier4: Indeed, it is an AOSP tree. It just contains a lot less things.
[16:21] <javier4> peat-psuwit, it's time to create a better wiki page. It's not possible to really understand what has to be added to ubuntu tree from your own AOSP tree to port a new device. It's not easy to understand which AOSP subdirs ubuntu needs and which not. And nobody can say if you have to make changes inside build/ or other directories. My tree is customized by mediatek, so it's surely harder to adapt, but that page really lac
[16:21] <javier4> ks too many infos.
[16:24] <javier4> lol. And now why recoveryimage is trying to download an initrd. Ok, I'll try when I have found some more informations.
[16:40] <pawiecki> Hi, im looking into trying Ubuntu on my Nexus 4. Can you share your 'success story' and experience as a primary phone?
[16:43] <learnbsd> pawiecki: i just ordered a nexus 4 because it's officially supported...i had it on a oneplus one and it worked fine with a few small problems..the biggest for me being no headphone jack
[16:46] <pawiecki> learnbsd: wow, even where i live, they are pretty cheap now. I love the design, but could use some upgrades now :)
[17:24] <learnbsd> pawiecki: yeah i got a refurb for 70$...not bad...
[17:24] <learnbsd> if i break it oh well, it'll be a backup i put my oneplus back on android for now.  Plan on buying a new phone later this year or early next year anyway just waiting for something i like to pop up
[17:41] <pawiecki> learnbsd: converting to $ i see new ones with 2y warranty for about 90-120$
[17:42] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Do you by any chance know how to add translation projects to the ubuntu-rtm/15.04 series?
[17:42] <sil2100> seb128: i.e. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04
[17:47] <bq-user> Hello, hi, salut
[17:47] <mimecar> hi bq-user
[17:47] <bq-user> Sorry pour that... But, is everybody speak english ?
[17:48] <bq-user> sorry for that
[17:48] <mimecar> this is an english channel
[17:48] <bq-user> Ok
[17:48] <mimecar> there'is another channel related with ubuntu touch on spanish
[17:48] <bq-user> is there french channel ?
[17:48] <mimecar> I don't know
[17:48] <bq-user> Oh
[17:48] <bq-user> , I prefer english lol
[17:49] <bq-user> I've got a question...
[17:49] <bq-user> Is it possible to install Ubuntu Touch on BQ Aquaris E5 (Android) ?
[17:49] <mimecar> yes
[17:50] <bq-user> I did some research, but I don't success to install it
[17:50] <mimecar> it looks you must use the SN
[17:51] <bq-user> the SN ? What do you mean, please ?
[17:51] <mcphail> bq-user: http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/09/16/ubuntu-android-installation-process-for-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-e5/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0
[17:52] <ogra_> note that it only works for E5 HD ... not FHD, that has a differemt SoC
[17:52] <bq-user> Ok
[17:52] <mimecar> bq-user, http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/2016/07/29/firmware-ubuntu-15-04-ota-12-2/
[17:53] <bq-user> thank you very much
[17:53] <bq-user> thank you all
[17:53] <mimecar> you should backup all your data
[17:53] <bq-user> ok
[17:54] <mimecar> if you  use SPFlash Tool (GUI) for firmware installation
[17:54] <bq-user> Is there a recovery software ?
[17:54] <bq-user> Ok
[17:54] <mimecar> never select Format all option
[17:54] <bq-user> SPFlash Tool...
[17:54] <bq-user> Where I can find it ? On google Play ?
[17:54] <mimecar> check the url mcphail posted
[17:55] <bq-user> ok
[17:55] <bq-user> Yes I see
[17:55] <bq-user> I go read this
[17:55] <bq-user> ;)
[17:55] <bq-user> Thanks
[17:55] <mcphail> bq-user: I would advise you to follow the steps in that guide very closely. There is a chance you can brick your phone if you do things wrong
[17:56] <seb128> sil2100, no, sorry but I don't
[17:56] <bq-user> ok ^^
[17:56] <sil2100> seb128: sorry to disturb then, thanks :)
[17:56] <seb128> no worry
[17:56] <bq-user> (y)
[18:23] <bq-user> @mcphail I suppose it's not possible to install ubuntu touch on Aquaris E5 LTE ?
[18:25] <bq-user> message to mcphail...My phone is Aquaris E5 LTE... I suppose it's not possible to install ubuntu touch on Aquaris E5 LTE ?
[18:29] <bq-user> #mcphail
[18:29] <bq-user> Hi, again...
[18:31] <mimecar> bq-user, warning
[18:31] <mimecar> is not the same model E5 and E5 LTG
[18:31] <mimecar> E5 HD (3G) use a Mediatek SOC
[18:32] <mimecar> your device use a Qualcomm SOC
[18:34] <mcphail> bq-user: I think that is a different device, You're probably out of luck
[18:34] <bq-user_> Hi, again...
[18:34] <bq-user_> ok
[18:35] <bq-user_> I'm sad :(
[18:35] <bq-user_> Thanks
[19:51] <mcrx> hi guys! quick questionm
[19:51] <mcrx> is there a way to remap caps lock to ctrl in ubuntu touch (with a bt keyboard)
[20:09] <mr-woof> hi all
[20:11] <mr-woof> I've just installed Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4, are there known issues with connecting to wireless networks?
[20:12] <dobey> mr-woof: what channel did you use?
[20:12] <mr-woof> Stable, Dobey
[20:12] <mr-woof> if I had the password showing and then click connect, it vanishes
[20:12] <mr-woof> if I hide the password it'll connect
[20:13] <dobey> that's weird, but maybe related to the issue that was fixed in rc-proposed and should be fixed in the next stable update as well
[20:13] <mr-woof> is there a limit to the amount of characters it'll take as a password?
[20:14] <mr-woof> My guest network is 22 and it works, my normal network is a lot longer and it doesnt want to know
[20:15] <dobey> mr-woof: ah yes, there was an issue with long passwords (and taking more than about 25 seconds to enter the password)
[20:15] <JanC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1588126
[20:15] <JanC> that one?  :)
[20:15] <dobey> yeah
[20:15] <mr-woof> ah that sounds like the one
[20:15] <mr-woof> at least it's not me typing in the password incorrectly
[20:15] <mr-woof> :-)
[20:16] <mr-woof> daft question, how can I tell what version I'm on?
[20:17] <JanC> in the system settings there is an item for info about the phone
[20:17] <mr-woof> ah yeah, got it, ota-12
[20:18] <mr-woof> how often do the OTA updates come out?
[20:18] <JanC> 6 weeks usually, I think
[20:20] <mr-woof> seems decent so far, I'm just trying to find my way round the OS at the moment
[20:21] <mr-woof> any recommendations on anything I should install from the ubuntu store?
[20:26] <JanC> if you don't have them yet, maybe: terminal-app, uNav, uTorch, uApp Explorer, Cloud Music, Dekko, Trolly, ...?
[20:27] <JanC> and a couple of games maybe  :)
[20:28] <mr-woof> got a couple of those, not trolly
[20:28] <mr-woof> lets see :)
[20:28] <JanC> it's to keep shopping lists on your phone
[20:28] <mr-woof> ha Trolly is a good idea
[20:30] <JanC> (there are more advanced apps that can do shopping lists, but I prefer Trolly because it's simple/simplistic)
[20:38] <mr-woof> it looks good, I'll have to dig out my ubuntu login
[20:39] <mr-woof> actually got another daft question, I take it (at the moment) there isn't any encryption on the phones?
[20:40] <dobey> well the "disk" isn't encrypted, right
[20:40] <mr-woof> I wonder if that's something in the pipeline?
[20:40] <dobey> yes it is
[20:41] <mr-woof> sounds like a plan :)
[20:41] <dobey> depends on switch to snaps though i think
[20:41] <mr-woof> what channel do you use?
[20:42] <dobey> my nexus 4 has rc-proposed on it, but i kind of have to have it that way :)
[20:43] <mr-woof> are you developing for the phone?
[20:43] <dobey> yes
[20:43] <mr-woof> as someone who is completely new to this OS on a phone, is it worth me going to the rc channel?
[20:43] <mr-woof> or staying on stable for now?
[20:44] <dobey> unless you're wanting to test new features and such, i'd suggest staying on stable
[20:45] <mr-woof> suppose that makes sense :)
[20:45] <mr-woof> the os looks good so far, I've heard a lot about it but not had the chance to have a play with it
[20:46] <JanC> it also depends if you want to use it as your main phone or just for experimenting
[20:47] <mr-woof> I'm probably going to use it just as the experimenting for now
[20:47] <mr-woof> I have a nexus 5 with Android on there for my main phone at the mo
[20:49] <JanC> still probably best to start with stable, I guess
[20:49] <mr-woof> yeah I think I agree :@)
[20:52] <mr-woof> thanks for the help guys
[21:40] <javier4> why make recoveryimage tries to download ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd?