| mapps | hooray the strain is back | 04:31 |
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| knightwise | Started watching "Halt and catch fire" yesterday | 06:22 |
| knightwise | also a very good show | 06:22 |
| diddledan | knightwise: it's awesome! | 06:22 |
| diddledan | I want a third season .. been waiting for that too long :-p | 06:23 |
| diddledan | I love it because it shows me a romantic view of the 80s | 06:25 |
| diddledan | it's my generation's version of "heartbeat" (uk show) | 06:26 |
| diddledan | heartbeat is a 60s drama thingy | 06:26 |
| diddledan | my dad watches that for all the old motorbikes and the soundtrack | 06:27 |
| knightwise | Love it , just like Stranger things | 06:37 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:06 |
| christel | morning brobostigon | 09:08 |
| brobostigon | morning christel | 09:08 |
| christel | how are you keeping up? :) | 09:09 |
| brobostigon | some days better than othrs, and you? | 09:10 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 09:11 |
| brobostigon | morning knightwise | 09:11 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 09:13 |
| MooDoo | I've just seen someone abusing channel topics and notice that there are a couple of ubuntu channels susceptable to it, whos the best people to speak too? any one know? | 09:13 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | hi brobostigon just seen someone abusing channel topics :( - To find big channels with unlocked topics, use /msg alis list * -min 100 -mode -t Then you can join them and abuse their /topic for the lulz! | 09:14 |
| brobostigon | ah, | 09:15 |
| popey | MooDoo: #ubuntu-ops | 09:16 |
| diddledan | alis? who the beep is alis?! | 09:16 |
| popey | but sorted now i see | 09:17 |
| MooDoo | ok thanks | 09:18 |
| foobarry | surprised i remembered my password after 3 weeks off out of the last 4 | 10:04 |
| popey | foobarry: what would you put on a hudl2 if you did root it? Would you try and build a newer android image for it? | 10:05 |
| diddledan | poor simba http://38.media.tumblr.com/6df5824591f6c6f76ea952e69610be2f/tumblr_n489r3sout1sqdbk4o1_400.gif | 10:07 |
| foobarry | popey: the priority would be to tweak a couple of things that require root (e.g. the aforementioned loud BONGGG when it is started up, plus adblocker). | 10:07 |
| foobarry | as time goes on and 5.1 becomes more insecure, i would have to consider a newer build | 10:08 |
| foobarry | i use the tablet a lot for watching video as the screen is lovely and a nice form factor for watching | 10:08 |
| foobarry | i used to have root on 4.4.4 but got lost after the 5.1 update when they also locked/signed the bootloader. a strange move. | 10:09 |
| foobarry | maybe the best thing is a lobying campaign for tesco to release the keys | 10:10 |
| foobarry | to allow community to continue using the tablet securely | 10:10 |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: I am now forced to think up new passwords on a schedule. So they've gone from long & secure to short & simple. | 10:10 |
| diddledan | TwistedLucidity: qwerty1234 | 10:10 |
| popey | foobarry: i hate having to navigate modaco to find out the latest state | 10:10 |
| foobarry | s/modaco/forums/ | 10:11 |
| foobarry | i am subscribed on a couple of topics | 10:11 |
| foobarry | but who knows the best one. | 10:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: More like Fred1, 2Fred, Fred3. By-passes the whole "this password is too similar" thing and means I have a hope of remembering. | 10:11 |
| foobarry | it seems people are a bit stuck atm | 10:12 |
| foobarry | i even thoguht of contacting some ex tesco android guys who can be found via linked in | 10:12 |
| popey | if they're community people, might be worth doing | 10:12 |
| foobarry | it is tesco's ethical duty to allow the community to use the tablets if they aren't supporting it anymore | 10:12 |
| diddledan | threewordsuppercase <-- one word lowercase | 10:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: Not really. It's your duty to recycle and buy a new one. Think of the starving shareholders! | 10:13 |
| * TwistedLucidity actually agrees with you | 10:14 | |
| foobarry | correcthorsebatterystaple | 10:14 |
| diddledan | thank goodness the horse battery staple is correct! | 10:14 |
| diddledan | I'd hate an incorrect one | 10:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh yeah, that's what I *used* to use. Something comedic and long. But now? Every ~45 days? Sod that. | 10:15 |
| diddledan | although I'm not sure the RSPCA would approve of horse-battery | 10:15 |
| foobarry | https://xkcd.com/936/ | 10:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | Why not? As a beast of burden they are an energy store. | 10:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: Schnier had a few addenda about that. For starters "CorrectHorseBatteryStaple" is not a safe password. | 10:16 |
| foobarry | schneier the windows user? | 10:16 |
| TwistedLucidity | Is he? Dunno. | 10:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/choosing_secure_1.html | 10:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | Back to the Kindle - how would releasing code/docs/specs benefit Tesco? Allowing a community to maintain older models will hurt future sales. Or are you thinking that the "benefit" would be the avoidance of bad PR? | 10:19 |
| foobarry | kindle or hudl? | 10:19 |
| TwistedLucidity | Meant to say "Hudl", my bad. | 10:19 |
| foobarry | tesco are no longer in the tablet market | 10:19 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh, in that case... | 10:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | ...err... | 10:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | yeah. | 10:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | I wonder if they even have that info though. | 10:20 |
| foobarry | well they fired all the android devs just after they rushed out a 5.1 update and dropped the tablet | 10:22 |
| foobarry | unsure if they are under NDA | 10:22 |
| foobarry | but the information will be there | 10:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | Ah, they directly employed? I had always assumed it was just some generic thing in a different case. | 10:23 |
| foobarry | its a pegatron tablet, although pegatron never release this spec | 10:23 |
| foobarry | its an excellent tablet with hdmi out and micro SD etc | 10:23 |
| diddledan | ho boy: https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/30/eu-regulators-order-ireland-to-recover-13-billion-euros-in-illegal-irish-tax-benefits-from-apple/?pushup=1 | 10:23 |
| foobarry | excellent except for one thing ; intel chips | 10:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: Where's the popcorn? | 10:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | And will that ruling just affect Apple, or will it set a precedent for Google etc? | 10:25 |
| foobarry | this is what the EU is good at | 10:27 |
| foobarry | hitting big corp with big bills | 10:27 |
| foobarry | although where the money ends up is anyones guess | 10:27 |
| foobarry | like the 500M from MS | 10:28 |
| foobarry | https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4vs90j/bruce_schneier_ama_live_here_from_13_pm_est/d618oxo | 10:28 |
| foobarry | he is blinkered/mad if he thinks windows is most secure | 10:29 |
| TwistedLucidity | Or he just wants to get work done. | 10:29 |
| * TwistedLucidity has one *just* managed to fix screen tearing. Maybe. | 10:30 | |
| TwistedLucidity | And, of course, just because he's wrong on one thing doesn't mean he's wrong on everything. | 10:30 |
| foobarry | if he was giving opinion on an area outside his field of expertise maybe | 10:31 |
| foobarry | but i tend to take everything he says with a massive pinch | 10:32 |
| popey | you take everything everyone says with a massive pinch though, surely? | 10:32 |
| foobarry | probably although people with good track record i might be more accomodating | 10:33 |
| foobarry | or less scrutinous | 10:33 |
| foobarry | i wouldn't ask linus torvalds what laptop he uses or what DE he likes because its irrelevant. quite a lot of G+ i see people asking these things | 10:34 |
| foobarry | but i respect he and greg KH when they talk about the kernel and take their word for it | 10:35 |
| foobarry | crypto is another thing you have to usually take their word for as its so complex | 10:35 |
| foobarry | not theirs, but crypto specialists | 10:35 |
| TwistedLucidity | I view crypto like I view quantum mechanics. If you think you understand it.... | 10:35 |
| foobarry | i have however read the scheier article you linked | 10:36 |
| foobarry | i might run a recent cracker over my hashes | 10:36 |
| foobarry | interested to see how quikcly correcthorsebatterystaple gets pwned | 10:38 |
| TwistedLucidity | hutner2 4 evah! | 10:39 |
| TwistedLucidity | What always amuses me are error messages like "Your password cannot be over 12 characters or contain special symbols" Uhh...whut? | 10:39 |
| popey | The Google Play services 'app' in the play store has over 1 billion installs. | 10:44 |
| popey | Quite boggling | 10:44 |
| ali1234 | given that you literally can't install anything else without it | 10:59 |
| popey | yeah, just the number of devices with that one codebase on is staggering | 11:00 |
| ali1234 | there's only about 1 billion android phones in existence | 11:01 |
| popey | "only" :) | 11:01 |
| ali1234 | of course there's also lots of other things running android | 11:01 |
| popey | 1.6Bn in 2014 according to some stats | 11:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | how many of those are sitting in drawers replaced by shinier newer devices | 11:51 |
| diddledan | shiny sounds like a plan | 11:52 |
| diddledan | shuddupandtakemymoney | 11:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | Sub-5" with a 180p OLED screen + decent RAM & CPU + decent battery? That'd be "shuddupandtakemymoney" for me. | 12:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | Instead everything semi-decent is 5.5" or bigger and thin (so poor battery) | 12:11 |
| diddledan | 180p? | 12:23 |
| diddledan | I kinda want USB-C | 12:24 |
| diddledan | for the charge-port and data | 12:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | and time saving not attempting 3 tries to plug it in... | 12:25 |
| diddledan | micro-USB is evil. not only do you have orientation issues but if you're slightly off-axis it still won't go into the hole even if you have it the right way around | 12:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | bring back docking stations and cradles like palm had | 12:26 |
| diddledan | the lightning connector that apple uses is actually very resilient | 12:26 |
| diddledan | we've got announcements on the 7th from apple | 12:27 |
| diddledan | next weds I think | 12:27 |
| * diddledan checks calendar | 12:27 | |
| diddledan | yup weds | 12:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | apple watch 2... this time they mean it... | 12:28 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: 1080p | 12:33 |
| TwistedLucidity | Nah, it'll be a digital cap with Siri saying "Any spare change, pal?" | 12:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | that to sort their tax woes they're buying switzerland... and releasing the itoblerone | 12:37 |
| diddledan | ooh. that sounds tasty | 12:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | comes in white of course | 12:41 |
| DJones | Apples announcement will probably be that "Today is 7th September" | 12:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | ...have you charged your iphone 2-3 times today... | 12:44 |
| TwistedLucidity | What ever it is, it'll be new, exciting, innovative and never-been-done-before. Apart from the fact it's none of those things. | 12:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | and comes in these exciting colours | 12:48 |
| TwistedLucidity | If they announce "The first phone with real desktop convergence" I'm sure we'll all her popey's screams! :-) | 12:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | nokia communicators will spin in their drawers... | 12:49 |
| diddledan | TwistedLucidity: and many fanboys saying it's the second coming | 12:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | more likely a phablet with a slide out small phone for making actual calls | 12:51 |
| popey | haha | 12:56 |
| knightwise | zmoylan-pi: that would not be such a bad idea actually | 13:10 |
| knightwise | I'm starting to look towards a solution where I have a simple phone with a long battery life and shove all the connected stuff onto a a 3g tablet with a large battery | 13:11 |
| popey | i just carry an additional battery and charger everywhere | 13:11 |
| knightwise | popey: as long as you can still swap out batteries | 13:11 |
| * knightwise has an Samsung S6 | 13:11 | |
| zmoylan-pi | i have seen in dublin bt mini phones that connect to your main phone... AND have spot for a sim in case you lose your main phone... | 13:12 |
| knightwise | zmoylan-pi: sounds bizar right ? | 13:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | one way it pretends to be a bt headset... the other it just switches on it's gsm phone | 13:13 |
| knightwise | zmoylan-pi: its an original approach to the project | 13:15 |
| knightwise | probem | 13:16 |
| knightwise | I would get a tablet .. and one of these http://shop.startrek.com/star-trek-the-original-series-communicator-bluetooth-handset/detail.php?p=866906 | 13:16 |
| popey | knightwise: I've yet to have a phone that the battery couldn't be removed from | 13:18 |
| popey | might need a screwdriver, but it's not *that* hard in most phones | 13:18 |
| knightwise | popey: Agree. But with the convergence of pc's and tablets coming into play it might be a new era for the mobile phone industry | 13:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | these are one of the ones i saw... http://www.chinabuye.com/daxian-bm50-mini-ear-hook-mini-bt-phone-black-white | 13:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | about the size of your little finger | 13:23 |
| popey | nobody every phones me and i never phone anyone | 13:26 |
| popey | i could probably get away with a data-only phone | 13:26 |
| knightwise | https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wk98uKbm8BJi4nBn3YB2wSGbqBk=/0x4:350x237/1280x854/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/47632113/zoolander-tiny-phone.0.0.jpg | 13:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have thought of bringing my phones to repair place and have them disable microphone for privacy guarantee | 13:26 |
| knightwise | Wish I could but ... i have a business so .. calls are still pretty important | 13:26 |
| knightwise | One of these .. https://www.amazon.com/Jumbl-Bluetooth-Hands-Free-Streaming-Receiver/dp/B00UUDZLB0/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1472563811&sr=8-17&keywords=bluetooth+receiver A pair of earbuds and a Tablet | 13:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have a sony bt headphones with a mic. that could do the voice calls nicely | 13:31 |
| === diddleda- is now known as diddledan_ | ||
| foobarry | i considered the £5 giffgaff data only sim | 13:46 |
| foobarry | and calls/texts on PAYG | 13:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | data only and voip? | 13:47 |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: Wouldn't 3 be cheaper? | 13:48 |
| foobarry | TwistedLucidity: whats the cheapest 3 deal? | 13:49 |
| TwistedLucidity | I joined giffgaff and the found out 3 were about 1/2 price for charges. | 13:49 |
| TwistedLucidity | Not actually sure of their lowest monthly teir | 13:50 |
| TwistedLucidity | Which seems to be offset by the cheapest plan being £9. :-S | 13:51 |
| foobarry | giffgaff do £5, £7.50 deals | 13:51 |
| foobarry | i'm on the monthly 7.50 one | 13:51 |
| TwistedLucidity | Snap | 13:51 |
| foobarry | i don't think 3 are cheaper | 13:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | The per min/gb are I think | 13:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | At least, they were when I checked | 13:53 |
| TwistedLucidity | Odd thing, by giffgaff sim keep registering as o2 (I know it's their network). | 13:53 |
| foobarry | i don't use any PAYG data or voice atm. | 13:53 |
| TwistedLucidity | I try not to | 13:53 |
| foobarry | its all within my monthly limit | 13:53 |
| diddledan_ | ipads better than drugs: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2016/08/ipads-subdue-kids-as-well-as-hard-drugs/ | 14:34 |
| foobarry | comments below the line on the xkcd password efficacy are still supportive of it https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/choosing_secure_1.html | 14:34 |
| foobarry | i remember when solaris didn't care what you typed after the 8th character | 14:36 |
| foobarry | not that long ago! | 14:36 |
| foobarry | i would be logging into a solaris server, get the user to type the 9th character then do some super fast typing of 9-20 | 14:37 |
| foobarry | they would be amazed that they guessed the right character | 14:37 |
| foobarry | !ping | 19:53 |
| lubotu3 | pong! | 19:53 |
| diddledan_ | !ding | 19:53 |
| lubotu3 | dong | 19:53 |
| foobarry | !bing | 19:54 |
| lubotu3 | ban | 19:54 |
| foobarry | oof. harsh | 19:54 |
| diddledan_ | !sing | 19:54 |
| diddledan_ | bah | 19:54 |
| foobarry | bing bong | 19:54 |
| diddledan_ | !ring | 19:54 |
| diddledan_ | I cried when bingbong died | 19:55 |
| diddledan_ | that was totes sadness | 19:55 |
| diddledan | 2016 got gene wilder, too?! | 20:55 |
| diddledan | ffs | 20:55 |
| diddledan | this year is the worst! | 20:55 |
| penguin42 | although deathlist.net doesn't seem to be doing that well | 20:58 |
| diddledan | gonna be gutted when marvel movies no-longer have cameos from stan lee | 21:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | someone suggested that all the following movies have the heros mention attending a funeral of walk on characters all turning up at same funeral... | 21:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | or they could just cgi him in any old way | 21:18 |
| penguin42 | how odd | 22:21 |
| penguin42 | I've just randomly found a site comparing different countries and it has a list of UK table manners | 22:21 |
| penguin42 | 'Do not slurp when eating soup' (sane but odd to specify) | 22:21 |
| penguin42 | 'Smash up your peas using your fork' ?!!! | 22:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | in some countries making noises seems to be the polite thing to do... | 22:45 |
| funkyHat | penguin42: I've never smashed my peas or seen anyone else doing that | 23:07 |
| funkyHat | Maybe I'm not posh enough | 23:07 |
| penguin42 | funkyHat: same here | 23:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 23:14 |
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