[04:31] hooray the strain is back [06:22] Started watching "Halt and catch fire" yesterday [06:22] also a very good show [06:22] knightwise: it's awesome! [06:23] I want a third season .. been waiting for that too long :-p [06:25] I love it because it shows me a romantic view of the 80s [06:26] it's my generation's version of "heartbeat" (uk show) [06:26] heartbeat is a 60s drama thingy [06:27] my dad watches that for all the old motorbikes and the soundtrack [06:37] Love it , just like Stranger things [09:06] morning boys and girls. [09:08] morning brobostigon [09:08] morning christel [09:09] how are you keeping up? :) [09:10] some days better than othrs, and you? [09:11] morning everyone [09:11] morning knightwise [09:13] hello all [09:13] I've just seen someone abusing channel topics and notice that there are a couple of ubuntu channels susceptable to it, whos the best people to speak too? any one know? [09:14] morning MooDoo [09:14] hi brobostigon just seen someone abusing channel topics :( - To find big channels with unlocked topics, use /msg alis list * -min 100 -mode -t Then you can join them and abuse their /topic for the lulz! [09:15] ah, [09:16] MooDoo: #ubuntu-ops [09:16] alis? who the beep is alis?! [09:17] but sorted now i see [09:18] ok thanks [10:04] surprised i remembered my password after 3 weeks off out of the last 4 [10:05] foobarry: what would you put on a hudl2 if you did root it? Would you try and build a newer android image for it? [10:07] poor simba http://38.media.tumblr.com/6df5824591f6c6f76ea952e69610be2f/tumblr_n489r3sout1sqdbk4o1_400.gif [10:07] popey: the priority would be to tweak a couple of things that require root (e.g. the aforementioned loud BONGGG when it is started up, plus adblocker). [10:08] as time goes on and 5.1 becomes more insecure, i would have to consider a newer build [10:08] i use the tablet a lot for watching video as the screen is lovely and a nice form factor for watching [10:09] i used to have root on 4.4.4 but got lost after the 5.1 update when they also locked/signed the bootloader. a strange move. [10:10] maybe the best thing is a lobying campaign for tesco to release the keys [10:10] to allow community to continue using the tablet securely [10:10] foobarry: I am now forced to think up new passwords on a schedule. So they've gone from long & secure to short & simple. [10:10] TwistedLucidity: qwerty1234 [10:10] foobarry: i hate having to navigate modaco to find out the latest state [10:11] s/modaco/forums/ [10:11] i am subscribed on a couple of topics [10:11] but who knows the best one. [10:11] diddledan: More like Fred1, 2Fred, Fred3. By-passes the whole "this password is too similar" thing and means I have a hope of remembering. [10:12] it seems people are a bit stuck atm [10:12] i even thoguht of contacting some ex tesco android guys who can be found via linked in [10:12] if they're community people, might be worth doing [10:12] it is tesco's ethical duty to allow the community to use the tablets if they aren't supporting it anymore [10:13] threewordsuppercase <-- one word lowercase [10:13] foobarry: Not really. It's your duty to recycle and buy a new one. Think of the starving shareholders! [10:14] * TwistedLucidity actually agrees with you [10:14] correcthorsebatterystaple [10:14] thank goodness the horse battery staple is correct! [10:15] I'd hate an incorrect one [10:15] Oh yeah, that's what I *used* to use. Something comedic and long. But now? Every ~45 days? Sod that. [10:15] although I'm not sure the RSPCA would approve of horse-battery [10:15] https://xkcd.com/936/ [10:15] Why not? As a beast of burden they are an energy store. [10:16] foobarry: Schnier had a few addenda about that. For starters "CorrectHorseBatteryStaple" is not a safe password. [10:16] schneier the windows user? [10:17] Is he? Dunno. [10:17] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/choosing_secure_1.html [10:19] Back to the Kindle - how would releasing code/docs/specs benefit Tesco? Allowing a community to maintain older models will hurt future sales. Or are you thinking that the "benefit" would be the avoidance of bad PR? [10:19] kindle or hudl? [10:19] Meant to say "Hudl", my bad. [10:19] tesco are no longer in the tablet market [10:20] Oh, in that case... [10:20] ...err... [10:20] yeah. [10:20] I wonder if they even have that info though. [10:22] well they fired all the android devs just after they rushed out a 5.1 update and dropped the tablet [10:22] unsure if they are under NDA [10:22] but the information will be there [10:23] Ah, they directly employed? I had always assumed it was just some generic thing in a different case. [10:23] its a pegatron tablet, although pegatron never release this spec [10:23] its an excellent tablet with hdmi out and micro SD etc [10:23] ho boy: https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/30/eu-regulators-order-ireland-to-recover-13-billion-euros-in-illegal-irish-tax-benefits-from-apple/?pushup=1 [10:23] excellent except for one thing ; intel chips [10:24] diddledan: Where's the popcorn? [10:25] And will that ruling just affect Apple, or will it set a precedent for Google etc? [10:27] this is what the EU is good at [10:27] hitting big corp with big bills [10:27] although where the money ends up is anyones guess [10:28] like the 500M from MS [10:28] https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4vs90j/bruce_schneier_ama_live_here_from_13_pm_est/d618oxo [10:29] he is blinkered/mad if he thinks windows is most secure [10:29] Or he just wants to get work done. [10:30] * TwistedLucidity has one *just* managed to fix screen tearing. Maybe. [10:30] And, of course, just because he's wrong on one thing doesn't mean he's wrong on everything. [10:31] if he was giving opinion on an area outside his field of expertise maybe [10:32] but i tend to take everything he says with a massive pinch [10:32] you take everything everyone says with a massive pinch though, surely? [10:33] probably although people with good track record i might be more accomodating [10:33] or less scrutinous [10:34] i wouldn't ask linus torvalds what laptop he uses or what DE he likes because its irrelevant. quite a lot of G+ i see people asking these things [10:35] but i respect he and greg KH when they talk about the kernel and take their word for it [10:35] crypto is another thing you have to usually take their word for as its so complex [10:35] not theirs, but crypto specialists [10:35] I view crypto like I view quantum mechanics. If you think you understand it.... [10:36] i have however read the scheier article you linked [10:36] i might run a recent cracker over my hashes [10:38] interested to see how quikcly correcthorsebatterystaple gets pwned [10:39] hutner2 4 evah! [10:39] What always amuses me are error messages like "Your password cannot be over 12 characters or contain special symbols" Uhh...whut? [10:44] The Google Play services 'app' in the play store has over 1 billion installs. [10:44] Quite boggling [10:59] given that you literally can't install anything else without it [11:00] yeah, just the number of devices with that one codebase on is staggering [11:01] there's only about 1 billion android phones in existence [11:01] "only" :) [11:01] of course there's also lots of other things running android [11:01] 1.6Bn in 2014 according to some stats [11:51] how many of those are sitting in drawers replaced by shinier newer devices [11:52] shiny sounds like a plan [11:52] shuddupandtakemymoney [12:11] Sub-5" with a 180p OLED screen + decent RAM & CPU + decent battery? That'd be "shuddupandtakemymoney" for me. [12:11] Instead everything semi-decent is 5.5" or bigger and thin (so poor battery) [12:23] 180p? [12:24] I kinda want USB-C [12:24] for the charge-port and data [12:25] and time saving not attempting 3 tries to plug it in... [12:25] micro-USB is evil. not only do you have orientation issues but if you're slightly off-axis it still won't go into the hole even if you have it the right way around [12:26] bring back docking stations and cradles like palm had [12:26] the lightning connector that apple uses is actually very resilient [12:27] we've got announcements on the 7th from apple [12:27] next weds I think [12:27] * diddledan checks calendar [12:27] yup weds [12:28] apple watch 2... this time they mean it... [12:33] diddledan: 1080p [12:34] Nah, it'll be a digital cap with Siri saying "Any spare change, pal?" [12:37] that to sort their tax woes they're buying switzerland... and releasing the itoblerone [12:40] ooh. that sounds tasty [12:41] comes in white of course [12:43] Apples announcement will probably be that "Today is 7th September" [12:44] ...have you charged your iphone 2-3 times today... [12:47] What ever it is, it'll be new, exciting, innovative and never-been-done-before. Apart from the fact it's none of those things. [12:48] and comes in these exciting colours [12:48] If they announce "The first phone with real desktop convergence" I'm sure we'll all her popey's screams! :-) [12:49] nokia communicators will spin in their drawers... [12:49] TwistedLucidity: and many fanboys saying it's the second coming [12:51] more likely a phablet with a slide out small phone for making actual calls [12:56] haha [13:10] zmoylan-pi: that would not be such a bad idea actually [13:11] I'm starting to look towards a solution where I have a simple phone with a long battery life and shove all the connected stuff onto a a 3g tablet with a large battery [13:11] i just carry an additional battery and charger everywhere [13:11] popey: as long as you can still swap out batteries [13:11] * knightwise has an Samsung S6 [13:12] i have seen in dublin bt mini phones that connect to your main phone... AND have spot for a sim in case you lose your main phone... [13:12] zmoylan-pi: sounds bizar right ? [13:13] one way it pretends to be a bt headset... the other it just switches on it's gsm phone [13:15] zmoylan-pi: its an original approach to the project [13:16] probem [13:16] I would get a tablet .. and one of these http://shop.startrek.com/star-trek-the-original-series-communicator-bluetooth-handset/detail.php?p=866906 [13:18] knightwise: I've yet to have a phone that the battery couldn't be removed from [13:18] might need a screwdriver, but it's not *that* hard in most phones [13:19] popey: Agree. But with the convergence of pc's and tablets coming into play it might be a new era for the mobile phone industry [13:23] these are one of the ones i saw... http://www.chinabuye.com/daxian-bm50-mini-ear-hook-mini-bt-phone-black-white [13:23] about the size of your little finger [13:26] nobody every phones me and i never phone anyone [13:26] i could probably get away with a data-only phone [13:26] https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wk98uKbm8BJi4nBn3YB2wSGbqBk=/0x4:350x237/1280x854/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/47632113/zoolander-tiny-phone.0.0.jpg [13:26] i have thought of bringing my phones to repair place and have them disable microphone for privacy guarantee [13:26] Wish I could but ... i have a business so .. calls are still pretty important [13:31] One of these .. https://www.amazon.com/Jumbl-Bluetooth-Hands-Free-Streaming-Receiver/dp/B00UUDZLB0/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1472563811&sr=8-17&keywords=bluetooth+receiver A pair of earbuds and a Tablet [13:31] i have a sony bt headphones with a mic. that could do the voice calls nicely === diddleda- is now known as diddledan_ [13:46] i considered the £5 giffgaff data only sim [13:46] and calls/texts on PAYG [13:47] data only and voip? [13:48] foobarry: Wouldn't 3 be cheaper? [13:49] TwistedLucidity: whats the cheapest 3 deal? [13:49] I joined giffgaff and the found out 3 were about 1/2 price for charges. [13:50] Not actually sure of their lowest monthly teir [13:51] Which seems to be offset by the cheapest plan being £9. :-S [13:51] giffgaff do £5, £7.50 deals [13:51] i'm on the monthly 7.50 one [13:51] Snap [13:52] i don't think 3 are cheaper [13:52] The per min/gb are I think [13:53] At least, they were when I checked [13:53] Odd thing, by giffgaff sim keep registering as o2 (I know it's their network). [13:53] i don't use any PAYG data or voice atm. [13:53] I try not to [13:53] its all within my monthly limit [14:34] ipads better than drugs: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2016/08/ipads-subdue-kids-as-well-as-hard-drugs/ [14:34] comments below the line on the xkcd password efficacy are still supportive of it https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/choosing_secure_1.html [14:36] i remember when solaris didn't care what you typed after the 8th character [14:36] not that long ago! [14:37] i would be logging into a solaris server, get the user to type the 9th character then do some super fast typing of 9-20 [14:37] they would be amazed that they guessed the right character [19:53] !ping [19:53] pong! [19:53] !ding [19:53] dong [19:54] !bing [19:54] ban [19:54] oof. harsh [19:54] !sing [19:54] bah [19:54] bing bong [19:54] !ring [19:55] I cried when bingbong died [19:55] that was totes sadness [20:55] 2016 got gene wilder, too?! [20:55] ffs [20:55] this year is the worst! [20:58] although deathlist.net doesn't seem to be doing that well [21:04] gonna be gutted when marvel movies no-longer have cameos from stan lee [21:18] someone suggested that all the following movies have the heros mention attending a funeral of walk on characters all turning up at same funeral... [21:18] or they could just cgi him in any old way [22:21] how odd [22:21] I've just randomly found a site comparing different countries and it has a list of UK table manners [22:21] 'Do not slurp when eating soup' (sane but odd to specify) [22:21] 'Smash up your peas using your fork' ?!!! [22:45] in some countries making noises seems to be the polite thing to do... [23:07] penguin42: I've never smashed my peas or seen anyone else doing that [23:07] Maybe I'm not posh enough [23:10] funkyHat: same here [23:14] hi