[04:31] <mapps> hooray the strain is back
[06:22] <knightwise> Started watching "Halt and catch fire" yesterday
[06:22] <knightwise> also a very good show
[06:22] <diddledan> knightwise: it's awesome!
[06:23] <diddledan> I want a third season .. been waiting for that too long :-p
[06:25] <diddledan> I love it because it shows me a romantic view of the 80s
[06:26] <diddledan> it's my generation's version of "heartbeat" (uk show)
[06:26] <diddledan> heartbeat is a 60s drama thingy
[06:27] <diddledan> my dad watches that for all the old motorbikes and the soundtrack
[06:37] <knightwise> Love it , just like Stranger things
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <christel> morning brobostigon
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning christel
[09:09] <christel> how are you keeping up? :)
[09:10] <brobostigon> some days better than othrs, and you?
[09:11] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:13] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:13] <MooDoo> I've just seen someone abusing channel topics and notice that there are a couple of ubuntu channels susceptable to it, whos the best people to speak too?  any one know?
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:14] <MooDoo> hi brobostigon just seen someone abusing channel topics :( - To find big channels with unlocked topics, use /msg alis list * -min 100 -mode -t    Then you can join them and abuse their /topic for the lulz!
[09:15] <brobostigon> ah,
[09:16] <popey> MooDoo: #ubuntu-ops
[09:16] <diddledan> alis? who the beep is alis?!
[09:17] <popey> but sorted now i see
[09:18] <MooDoo> ok thanks
[10:04] <foobarry> surprised i remembered my password after 3 weeks off out of the last 4
[10:05] <popey> foobarry: what would you put on a hudl2 if you did root it? Would you try and build a newer android image for it?
[10:07] <diddledan> poor simba http://38.media.tumblr.com/6df5824591f6c6f76ea952e69610be2f/tumblr_n489r3sout1sqdbk4o1_400.gif
[10:07] <foobarry> popey: the priority would be to tweak a couple of things that require root (e.g. the aforementioned loud BONGGG when it is started up, plus adblocker).
[10:08] <foobarry> as time goes on and 5.1 becomes more insecure, i would have to consider a newer build
[10:08] <foobarry> i use the tablet a lot for watching video as the screen is lovely and a nice form factor for watching
[10:09] <foobarry> i used to have root on 4.4.4 but got lost after the 5.1 update when they also locked/signed the bootloader. a strange move.
[10:10] <foobarry> maybe the best thing is a lobying campaign for tesco to release the keys
[10:10] <foobarry> to allow community to continue using the tablet securely
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I am now forced to think up new passwords on a schedule. So they've gone from long & secure to short & simple.
[10:10] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: qwerty1234
[10:10] <popey> foobarry: i hate having to navigate modaco to find out the latest state
[10:11] <foobarry> s/modaco/forums/
[10:11] <foobarry> i am subscribed on a couple of topics
[10:11] <foobarry> but who knows the best one.
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: More like Fred1, 2Fred, Fred3. By-passes the whole "this password is too similar" thing and means I have a hope of remembering.
[10:12] <foobarry> it seems people are a bit stuck atm
[10:12] <foobarry> i even thoguht of contacting some ex tesco android guys who can be found via linked in
[10:12] <popey> if they're community people, might be worth doing
[10:12] <foobarry> it is tesco's ethical duty to allow the community to use the tablets if they aren't supporting it anymore
[10:13] <diddledan> threewordsuppercase <-- one word lowercase
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Not really. It's your duty to recycle and buy a new one. Think of the starving shareholders!
[10:14]  * TwistedLucidity actually agrees with you
[10:14] <foobarry> correcthorsebatterystaple
[10:14] <diddledan> thank goodness the horse battery staple is correct!
[10:15] <diddledan> I'd hate an incorrect one
[10:15] <TwistedLucidity> Oh yeah, that's what I *used* to use. Something comedic and long. But now? Every ~45 days? Sod that.
[10:15] <diddledan> although I'm not sure the RSPCA would approve of horse-battery
[10:15] <foobarry> https://xkcd.com/936/
[10:15] <TwistedLucidity> Why not? As a beast of burden they are an energy store.
[10:16] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Schnier had a few addenda about that. For starters "CorrectHorseBatteryStaple" is not a safe password.
[10:16] <foobarry> schneier the windows user?
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> Is he? Dunno.
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/choosing_secure_1.html
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> Back to the Kindle - how would releasing code/docs/specs benefit Tesco? Allowing a community to maintain older models will hurt future sales. Or are you thinking that the "benefit" would be the avoidance of bad PR?
[10:19] <foobarry> kindle or hudl?
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> Meant to say "Hudl", my bad.
[10:19] <foobarry> tesco are no longer in the tablet market
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, in that case...
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> ...err...
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> yeah.
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> I wonder if they even have that info though.
[10:22] <foobarry> well they fired all the android devs just after they rushed out a 5.1 update and dropped the tablet
[10:22] <foobarry> unsure if they are under NDA
[10:22] <foobarry> but the information will be there
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, they directly employed? I had always assumed it was just some generic thing in a different case.
[10:23] <foobarry> its a pegatron tablet, although pegatron never release this spec
[10:23] <foobarry> its an excellent tablet with hdmi out and micro SD etc
[10:23] <diddledan> ho boy: https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/30/eu-regulators-order-ireland-to-recover-13-billion-euros-in-illegal-irish-tax-benefits-from-apple/?pushup=1
[10:23] <foobarry> excellent except for one thing ; intel chips
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Where's the popcorn?
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> And will that ruling just affect Apple, or will it set a precedent for Google etc?
[10:27] <foobarry> this is what the EU is good at
[10:27] <foobarry> hitting big corp with big bills
[10:27] <foobarry> although where the money ends up is anyones guess
[10:28] <foobarry> like the 500M from MS
[10:28] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4vs90j/bruce_schneier_ama_live_here_from_13_pm_est/d618oxo
[10:29] <foobarry> he is blinkered/mad if he thinks windows is most secure
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Or he just wants to get work done.
[10:30]  * TwistedLucidity has one *just* managed to fix screen tearing. Maybe.
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> And, of course, just because he's wrong on one thing doesn't mean he's wrong on everything.
[10:31] <foobarry> if he was giving opinion on an area outside his field of expertise maybe
[10:32] <foobarry> but i tend to take everything he says with a massive pinch
[10:32] <popey> you take everything everyone says with a massive pinch though, surely?
[10:33] <foobarry> probably although people with good track record i might be more accomodating
[10:33] <foobarry> or less scrutinous
[10:34] <foobarry> i wouldn't ask linus torvalds what laptop he uses or what DE he likes because its irrelevant. quite a lot of G+ i see people asking these things
[10:35] <foobarry> but i respect he and greg KH when they talk about the kernel and take their word for it
[10:35] <foobarry> crypto is another thing you have to usually take their word for as its so complex
[10:35] <foobarry> not theirs, but crypto specialists
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> I view crypto like I view quantum mechanics. If you think you understand it....
[10:36] <foobarry> i have however read the scheier article you linked
[10:36] <foobarry> i might run a recent cracker over my hashes
[10:38] <foobarry> interested to see how quikcly correcthorsebatterystaple gets pwned
[10:39] <TwistedLucidity> hutner2 4 evah!
[10:39] <TwistedLucidity> What always amuses me are error messages like "Your password cannot be over 12 characters or contain special symbols" Uhh...whut?
[10:44] <popey> The Google Play services 'app' in the play store has over 1 billion installs.
[10:44] <popey> Quite boggling
[10:59] <ali1234> given that you literally can't install anything else without it
[11:00] <popey> yeah, just the number of devices with that one codebase on is staggering
[11:01] <ali1234> there's only about 1 billion android phones in existence
[11:01] <popey> "only" :)
[11:01] <ali1234> of course there's also lots of other things running android
[11:01] <popey> 1.6Bn in 2014 according to some stats
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> how many of those are sitting in drawers replaced by shinier newer devices
[11:52] <diddledan> shiny sounds like a plan
[11:52] <diddledan> shuddupandtakemymoney
[12:11] <TwistedLucidity> Sub-5" with a 180p OLED screen + decent RAM & CPU + decent battery? That'd be "shuddupandtakemymoney" for me.
[12:11] <TwistedLucidity> Instead everything semi-decent is 5.5" or bigger and thin (so poor battery)
[12:23] <diddledan> 180p?
[12:24] <diddledan> I kinda want USB-C
[12:24] <diddledan> for the charge-port and data
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> and time saving not attempting 3 tries to plug it in...
[12:25] <diddledan> micro-USB is evil. not only do you have orientation issues but if you're slightly off-axis it still won't go into the hole even if you have it the right way around
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> bring back docking stations and cradles like palm had
[12:26] <diddledan> the lightning connector that apple uses is actually very resilient
[12:27] <diddledan> we've got announcements on the 7th from apple
[12:27] <diddledan> next weds I think
[12:27]  * diddledan checks calendar
[12:27] <diddledan> yup weds
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> apple watch 2... this time they mean it...
[12:33] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: 1080p
[12:34] <TwistedLucidity> Nah, it'll be a digital cap with Siri saying "Any spare change, pal?"
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> that to sort their tax woes they're buying switzerland... and releasing the itoblerone
[12:40] <diddledan> ooh. that sounds tasty
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> comes in white of course
[12:43] <DJones> Apples announcement will probably be that "Today is 7th September"
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> ...have you charged your iphone 2-3 times today...
[12:47] <TwistedLucidity> What ever it is, it'll be new, exciting, innovative and never-been-done-before. Apart from the fact it's none of those things.
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> and comes in these exciting colours
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> If they announce "The first phone with real desktop convergence" I'm sure we'll all her popey's screams! :-)
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> nokia communicators will spin in their drawers...
[12:49] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: and many fanboys saying it's the second coming
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> more likely a phablet with a slide out small phone for making actual calls
[12:56] <popey> haha
[13:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: that would not be such a bad idea actually
[13:11] <knightwise> I'm starting to look towards a solution where I have a simple phone with a long battery life and shove all the connected stuff onto a a 3g tablet with a large battery
[13:11] <popey> i just carry an additional battery and charger everywhere
[13:11] <knightwise> popey: as long as you can still swap out batteries
[13:11]  * knightwise has an Samsung S6
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> i have seen in dublin bt mini phones that connect to your main phone... AND have spot for a sim in case you lose your main phone...
[13:12] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: sounds bizar right ?
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> one way it pretends to be a bt headset... the other it just switches on it's gsm phone
[13:15] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: its an original approach to the project
[13:16] <knightwise> probem
[13:16] <knightwise> I would get a tablet .. and one of these http://shop.startrek.com/star-trek-the-original-series-communicator-bluetooth-handset/detail.php?p=866906
[13:18] <popey> knightwise: I've yet to have a phone that the battery couldn't be removed from
[13:18] <popey> might need a screwdriver, but it's not *that* hard in most phones
[13:19] <knightwise> popey: Agree. But with the convergence of pc's and tablets coming into play it might be a new era for the mobile phone industry
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> these are one of the ones i saw... http://www.chinabuye.com/daxian-bm50-mini-ear-hook-mini-bt-phone-black-white
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> about the size of your little finger
[13:26] <popey> nobody every phones me and i never phone anyone
[13:26] <popey> i could probably get away with a data-only phone
[13:26] <knightwise> https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wk98uKbm8BJi4nBn3YB2wSGbqBk=/0x4:350x237/1280x854/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/47632113/zoolander-tiny-phone.0.0.jpg
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> i have thought of bringing my phones to repair place and have them disable microphone for privacy guarantee
[13:26] <knightwise> Wish I could but ... i have a business so .. calls are still pretty important
[13:31] <knightwise> One of these .. https://www.amazon.com/Jumbl-Bluetooth-Hands-Free-Streaming-Receiver/dp/B00UUDZLB0/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1472563811&sr=8-17&keywords=bluetooth+receiver  A pair of earbuds and a Tablet
[13:31] <zmoylan-pi> i have a sony bt headphones with a mic.  that could do the voice calls nicely
[13:46] <foobarry> i considered the £5 giffgaff data only sim
[13:46] <foobarry> and calls/texts on PAYG
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> data only and voip?
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Wouldn't 3 be cheaper?
[13:49] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: whats the cheapest 3 deal?
[13:49] <TwistedLucidity> I joined giffgaff and the found out 3 were about 1/2 price for charges.
[13:50] <TwistedLucidity> Not actually sure of their lowest monthly teir
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> Which seems to be offset by the cheapest plan being £9. :-S
[13:51] <foobarry> giffgaff do £5, £7.50 deals
[13:51] <foobarry> i'm on the monthly 7.50 one
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> Snap
[13:52] <foobarry> i don't think 3 are cheaper
[13:52] <TwistedLucidity> The per min/gb are I think
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> At least, they were when I checked
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> Odd thing, by giffgaff sim keep registering as o2 (I know it's their network).
[13:53] <foobarry> i don't use any PAYG data or voice atm.
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> I try not to
[13:53] <foobarry> its all within my monthly limit
[14:34] <diddledan_> ipads better than drugs: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2016/08/ipads-subdue-kids-as-well-as-hard-drugs/
[14:34] <foobarry> comments below the line on the xkcd password efficacy are still supportive of it https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/choosing_secure_1.html
[14:36] <foobarry> i remember when solaris didn't care what you typed after the 8th character
[14:36] <foobarry> not that long ago!
[14:37] <foobarry> i would be logging into a solaris server, get the user to type the 9th character then do some super fast typing of 9-20
[14:37] <foobarry> they would be amazed that they guessed the right character
[19:53] <foobarry> !ping
[19:53] <diddledan_> !ding
[19:54] <foobarry> !bing
[19:54] <foobarry> oof. harsh
[19:54] <diddledan_> !sing
[19:54] <diddledan_> bah
[19:54] <foobarry> bing bong
[19:54] <diddledan_> !ring
[19:55] <diddledan_> I cried when bingbong died
[19:55] <diddledan_> that was totes sadness
[20:55] <diddledan> 2016 got gene wilder, too?!
[20:55] <diddledan> ffs
[20:55] <diddledan> this year is the worst!
[20:58] <penguin42> although deathlist.net doesn't seem to be doing that well
[21:04] <diddledan> gonna be gutted when marvel movies no-longer have cameos from stan lee
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> someone suggested that all the following movies have the heros mention attending a funeral of walk on characters all turning up at same funeral...
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> or they could just cgi him in any old way
[22:21] <penguin42> how odd
[22:21] <penguin42> I've just randomly found a site comparing different countries and it has a list of UK table manners
[22:21] <penguin42>  'Do not slurp when eating soup' (sane but odd to specify)
[22:21] <penguin42>  'Smash up your peas using your fork' ?!!!
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> in some countries making noises seems to be the polite thing to do...
[23:07] <funkyHat> penguin42: I've never smashed my peas or seen anyone else doing that
[23:07] <funkyHat> Maybe I'm not posh enough
[23:10] <penguin42> funkyHat: same here
[23:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi