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| curb320 | Hi ? | 14:06 |
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| saml | hey, what's the command that locks screen? | 14:58 |
| saml | when i close laptop lid and open again, it gives me login prompt. I want to know which command is giving me that login prompt so i can set up keyboard binding. | 14:59 |
| saml | lxsession-default lock ; and it's already set to C-A-l | 15:28 |
| lynorian | saml, you may want to look at default apps for lxsession and see what command that is set to | 17:39 |
| lynorian | or see what happens running lxsession-defualt lock in a terminal | 17:39 |
| swift110 | why when i try to go to an internet site it wont work | 18:04 |
| wxl | swift110: all sites do not work? a particular protocol? can you ping google? are you sure you have an ip address? check your router, your internet provider, etc. tl;dr, it's unlikely to be lubuntu, unless you're setting up the machine for the first time. if you're using wireless and you have a broadcom card, that could explain that problem. if you've done all the above and can't find any clues, more details | 18:14 |
| wxl | are required on what version you're using, what card you have, what site you're trying to connect to, etc. etc. etc. etc. | 18:14 |
| taza | So, I want to install an okay Lubuntu desktop on a system with less than 4gb of available hard drive space. | 19:18 |
| taza | Grab the alternate install iso I presume, then boot off it. Anything special I need to do to grab it? lubuntu-core looks okay. | 19:19 |
| wxl | taza: then i would suggest installing with the netboot iso and installing lubuntu-core. adding only the items from -desktop that you need. | 19:19 |
| taza | Can I install lubuntu-core off -alternative or -desktop? | 19:20 |
| wxl | taza: nope. you'll get lubuntu-desktop only | 19:20 |
| wxl | taza: the key is that the netboot iso (aka mini iso) has taskel on it. | 19:20 |
| taza | Well off I go | 19:22 |
| taza | I mean I could probably install anything | 19:22 |
| wxl | yeah but with limited space, it might be good to start small and work from there | 19:22 |
| taza | It's an old Eee PC 701 4G, and I need to modify it into a system that can run a few command-line tools | 19:22 |
| wxl | oh jeez if you only need CLI you don't even need lubuntu | 19:22 |
| wxl | you could do it with ubuntu-core | 19:23 |
| taza | I'd rather have GUI just for easy Chrome use | 19:23 |
| wxl | ah there you go | 19:23 |
| wxl | so lubuntu-core + chrome and you're probably good to go | 19:23 |
| taza | Yerp. | 19:24 |
| taza | Possibly VLC. It does need to play mpeg4 files enough to verify they're functional... | 19:25 |
| wxl | you might be able to do with with ffmpeg | 19:25 |
| taza | ... I got reaaal bored of using the internal filesystem tools for managing a recording device, but I don't want to sacrifice a good system to be on location, so I dug up a 701. | 19:25 |
| taza | All I really need are fdisk and a way to manipulate fat32 drives over usb. The chrome and the vlc are convenience. | 19:27 |
| taza | Does lubuntu-core come with a tool to manage wireless networks? | 19:33 |
| taza | Hah, this reminds me of the days I ran Linux on a Pentium 90 | 19:35 |
| taza | Debian with IceWM, I think | 19:36 |
| taza | Ah, yes. Having a system that has a 4gb integrated chip for a SSD, and upgrading it to 2gb RAM makes the installer completely confused about what the sane thing is | 21:37 |
| taza | It had 512mb originally, but the memory was cheap | 21:45 |
| taza | Uh. The lubuntu-core package doesn't come with a terminal? | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | taza: I would *highly* recommend against just installing the meta, and instead go for the task or else you'll get unexpected results in the form of odd packages installed, and certain ones missed. | 23:30 |
| taza | Ahh. Through tasksel that is? | 23:30 |
| taza | That'd be helpful if it was in the wiki. | 23:30 |
| Unit193 | apt-get install lubuntu-core^ | 23:31 |
| taza | ... what? | 23:31 |
| Unit193 | That's all you have to do, that'll install the task. | 23:31 |
| taza | I'm not going to install things unless I understand what they do. | 23:32 |
| taza | What does the ^ do and is it the same as tasksel? | 23:32 |
| taza | And uh, why isn't this on the wiki? | 23:32 |
| Unit193 | Sure. That would be the same as tasksel, yes, just without needing to install tasksel. | 23:32 |
| Unit193 | Either way. You can check it out with -s (simulate.) | 23:33 |
| taza | Except I installed lubuntu-core as the wiki says, and now tasksel says that's already selected | 23:34 |
| taza | Your advice goes against the wiki's advice, and doesn't seem to do anything. Are you sure you're thinking of the right thing here? | 23:35 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't exactly "go against" it, but yes I am quite certain of what I'm talking about. | 23:36 |
| Unit193 | Though, you could just install lxterminal. | 23:36 |
| taza | Then why are you giving advice that neither works nor is on the wiki? | 23:36 |
| Unit193 | How is it not working? | 23:37 |
| Unit193 | And you could ignore the task and just install a terminal such as lxterminal. | 23:37 |
| taza | I already told you. | 23:37 |
| taza | [02:34] <taza> Except I installed lubuntu-core as the wiki says, and now tasksel says that's already selected | 23:38 |
| taza | So you're giving advice that doesn't work, contradicting available documentation AND you're not reading what I say in response. | 23:38 |
| taza | ... that makes me kind of wary to follow any advice you give without verifying it with other sources. | 23:38 |
| Unit193 | Right, I did say to try apt-get install -s lubuntu-core^ I haven't heavily used tasksel and that's not what I recommended... Again, it's not contridicting documentation, it's an alternate (and perhaps better) method. I believe the documentation does say to use tasksel, which this equates to. I did read it, that's not telling me very much. And as I recommended, use -s to simulate it rather than just | 23:40 |
| Unit193 | running it (see in --help and the manpage that's what that switch does..) | 23:40 |
| taza | [02:32] <Unit193> Sure. That would be the same as tasksel, yes, just without needing to install tasksel. | 23:40 |
| taza | And now you're openly saying you didn't say what you said. | 23:40 |
| Unit193 | My goodness man... | 23:40 |
| taza | You seem confused. Maybe you should spend more time learning how things work before trying to help people? Because I cannot say I know any more than I did before you replied. | 23:41 |
| taza | I still don't know how the task and the package differ, for example. | 23:41 |
| Unit193 | OK, so install from the mini, use tasksel to install lubuntu-core. Then install from the mini again and do what I said. Compare the package lists, if there's something different then there... | 23:41 |
| taza | Is there? | 23:41 |
| taza | Shouldn't you know this before telling me to do something? | 23:41 |
| Unit193 | There is functionally nothing different in that case, as I said "That would be the same as tasksel"... Anywho, if you don't want to take my advice or would rather poke holes, I have no interest. | 23:42 |
| taza | The problem is I have no idea how your advice is different from what I already did. | 23:43 |
| taza | And you're contradicting the documentation, and yourself. And now you're getting defensive about it. | 23:43 |
| taza | It doesn't feel like a genuine attempt to help me at all. | 23:44 |
| taza | So, I've asked this twice, and I'll ask it again: What's different between the package and the task? | 23:44 |
| taza | And the latest tasksel documentation directly contradicts you. | 23:45 |
| taza | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel | 23:46 |
| taza | Unit193 ^ | 23:46 |
| taza | Seems like you're wrong and this was a waste of time for us both. | 23:46 |
| krytarik | taza: If you really want help, try not to troll people as much. | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | taza: Hardly, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel#Usage_.28alternative.29 is exactly what I was saying. Though I do agree with your last assessment | 23:48 |
| taza | krytarik: I'm not trolling | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | Anyway, have a good day sir. | 23:48 |
| taza | krytarik: The help page clearly states the ^ is not needed | 23:48 |
| taza | krytarik: "Note: The caret (^) was generally required at the end of the command in older versions of tasksel. It is not required in newer versions of tasksel." | 23:49 |
| krytarik | taza: Ever considered that the wiki might be incomplete or even wrong? | 23:49 |
| taza | Yeah, which is why I asked for the difference | 23:49 |
| taza | Which wasn't provided. | 23:49 |
| taza | If there's a difference, I expect for someone who gives me advice to do things to tell me what it is | 23:49 |
| taza | krytarik: I'm not trolling, I just expect to know what I'm doing in addition to being told to do something - I have no idea if they're wrong or right, and in this case, for example, the person giving me advice was wrong. | 23:50 |
| krytarik | The latter is just *your* conclusion. | 23:51 |
| taza | He contradicts multiple portions of the Wiki, and suggested a course of action that didn't work. | 23:52 |
| taza | There isn't space for multiple conclusions on this one. He was wrong. | 23:52 |
| wxl | I'm pretty sure we don't need to discuss this issue any further. | 23:52 |
| wxl | Is there anything else you need help with, taza? | 23:52 |
| taza | wxl: Possibly shortly, I'm still getting my bearings | 23:53 |
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