[14:06] <curb320> Hi ?
[14:58] <saml> hey, what's the command that locks screen?
[14:59] <saml> when i close laptop lid and open again, it gives me login prompt. I want to know which command is giving me that login prompt so i can set up keyboard binding.
[15:28] <saml> lxsession-default lock   ;  and it's already set to C-A-l
[17:39] <lynorian> saml, you may want to look at default apps for lxsession and see what command that is set to
[17:39] <lynorian> or see what happens running lxsession-defualt lock in a terminal
[18:04] <swift110> why when i try to go to an internet site it wont work
[18:14] <wxl> swift110: all sites do not work? a particular protocol? can you ping google? are you sure you have an ip address? check your router, your internet provider, etc. tl;dr, it's unlikely to be lubuntu, unless you're setting up the machine for the first time. if you're using wireless and you have a broadcom card, that could explain that problem. if you've done all the above and can't find any clues, more details
[18:14] <wxl> are required on what version you're using, what card you have, what site you're trying to connect to, etc. etc. etc. etc.
[19:18] <taza> So, I want to install an okay Lubuntu desktop on a system with less than 4gb of available hard drive space.
[19:19] <taza> Grab the alternate install iso I presume, then boot off it. Anything special I need to do to grab it? lubuntu-core looks okay.
[19:19] <wxl> taza: then i would suggest installing with the netboot iso and installing lubuntu-core. adding only the items from -desktop that you need.
[19:20] <taza> Can I install lubuntu-core off -alternative or -desktop?
[19:20] <wxl> taza: nope. you'll get lubuntu-desktop only
[19:20] <wxl> taza: the key is that the netboot iso (aka mini iso) has taskel on it.
[19:22] <taza> Well off I go
[19:22] <taza> I mean I could probably install anything
[19:22] <wxl> yeah but with limited space, it might be good to start small and work from there
[19:22] <taza> It's an old Eee PC 701 4G, and I need to modify it into a system that can run a few command-line tools
[19:22] <wxl> oh jeez if you only need CLI you don't even need lubuntu
[19:23] <wxl> you could do it with ubuntu-core
[19:23] <taza> I'd rather have GUI just for easy Chrome use
[19:23] <wxl> ah there you go
[19:23] <wxl> so lubuntu-core + chrome and you're probably good to go
[19:24] <taza> Yerp.
[19:25] <taza> Possibly VLC. It does need to play mpeg4 files enough to verify they're functional...
[19:25] <wxl> you might be able to do with with ffmpeg
[19:25] <taza> ... I got reaaal bored of using the internal filesystem tools for managing a recording device, but I don't want to sacrifice a good system to be on location, so I dug up a 701.
[19:27] <taza> All I really need are fdisk and a way to manipulate fat32 drives over usb. The chrome and the vlc are convenience.
[19:33] <taza> Does lubuntu-core come with a tool to manage wireless networks?
[19:35] <taza> Hah, this reminds me of the days I ran Linux on a Pentium 90
[19:36] <taza> Debian with IceWM, I think
[21:37] <taza> Ah, yes. Having a system that has a 4gb integrated chip for a SSD, and upgrading it to 2gb RAM makes the installer completely confused about what the sane thing is
[21:45] <taza> It had 512mb originally, but the memory was cheap
[23:29] <taza> Uh. The lubuntu-core package doesn't come with a terminal?
[23:30] <Unit193> taza: I would *highly* recommend against just installing the meta, and instead go for the task or else you'll get unexpected results in the form of odd packages installed, and certain ones missed.
[23:30] <taza> Ahh. Through tasksel that is?
[23:30] <taza> That'd be helpful if it was in the wiki.
[23:31] <Unit193> apt-get install lubuntu-core^
[23:31] <taza> ... what?
[23:31] <Unit193> That's all you have to do, that'll install the task.
[23:32] <taza> I'm not going to install things unless I understand what they do.
[23:32] <taza> What does the ^ do and is it the same as tasksel?
[23:32] <taza> And uh, why isn't this on the wiki?
[23:32] <Unit193> Sure.  That would be the same as tasksel, yes, just without needing to install tasksel.
[23:33] <Unit193> Either way.  You can check it out with -s (simulate.)
[23:34] <taza> Except I installed lubuntu-core as the wiki says, and now tasksel says that's already selected
[23:35] <taza> Your advice goes against the wiki's advice, and doesn't seem to do anything. Are you sure you're thinking of the right thing here?
[23:36] <Unit193> Doesn't exactly "go against" it, but yes I am quite certain of what I'm talking about.
[23:36] <Unit193> Though, you could just install lxterminal.
[23:36] <taza> Then why are you giving advice that neither works nor is on the wiki?
[23:37] <Unit193> How is it not working?
[23:37] <Unit193> And you could ignore the task and just install a terminal such as lxterminal.
[23:37] <taza> I already told you.
[23:38] <taza> [02:34] <taza> Except I installed lubuntu-core as the wiki says, and now tasksel says that's already selected
[23:38] <taza> So you're giving advice that doesn't work, contradicting available documentation AND you're not reading what I say in response.
[23:38] <taza> ... that makes me kind of wary to follow any advice you give without verifying it with other sources.
[23:40] <Unit193> Right, I did say to try  apt-get install -s lubuntu-core^  I haven't heavily used tasksel and that's not what I recommended...  Again, it's not contridicting documentation, it's an alternate (and perhaps better) method.  I believe the documentation does say to use tasksel, which this equates to.  I did read it, that's not telling me very much.  And as I recommended, use -s to simulate it rather than just
[23:40] <Unit193> running it (see in --help and the manpage that's what that switch does..)
[23:40] <taza> [02:32] <Unit193> Sure.  That would be the same as tasksel, yes, just without needing to install tasksel.
[23:40] <taza> And now you're openly saying you didn't say what you said.
[23:40] <Unit193> My goodness man...
[23:41] <taza> You seem confused. Maybe you should spend more time learning how things work before trying to help people? Because I cannot say I know any more than I did before you replied.
[23:41] <taza> I still don't know how the task and the package differ, for example.
[23:41] <Unit193> OK, so install from the mini, use tasksel to install lubuntu-core.  Then install from the mini again and do what I said.  Compare the package lists, if there's something different then there...
[23:41] <taza> Is there?
[23:41] <taza> Shouldn't you know this before telling me to do something?
[23:42] <Unit193> There is functionally nothing different in that case, as I said "That would be the same as tasksel"...  Anywho, if you don't want to take my advice or would rather poke holes, I have no interest.
[23:43] <taza> The problem is I have no idea how your advice is different from what I already did.
[23:43] <taza> And you're contradicting the documentation, and yourself. And now you're getting defensive about it.
[23:44] <taza> It doesn't feel like a genuine attempt to help me at all.
[23:44] <taza> So, I've asked this twice, and I'll ask it again: What's different between the package and the task?
[23:45] <taza> And the latest tasksel documentation directly contradicts you.
[23:46] <taza> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[23:46] <taza> Unit193 ^
[23:46] <taza> Seems like you're wrong and this was a waste of time for us both.
[23:48] <krytarik> taza: If you really want help, try not to troll people as much.
[23:48] <Unit193> taza: Hardly, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel#Usage_.28alternative.29 is exactly what I was saying.  Though I do agree with your last assessment
[23:48] <taza> krytarik: I'm not trolling
[23:48] <Unit193> Anyway, have a good day sir.
[23:48] <taza> krytarik: The help page clearly states the ^ is not needed
[23:49] <taza> krytarik: "Note: The caret (^) was generally required at the end of the command in older versions of tasksel. It is not required in newer versions of tasksel."
[23:49] <krytarik> taza: Ever considered that the wiki might be incomplete or even wrong?
[23:49] <taza> Yeah, which is why I asked for the difference
[23:49] <taza> Which wasn't provided.
[23:49] <taza> If there's a difference, I expect for someone who gives me advice to do things to tell me what it is
[23:50] <taza> krytarik: I'm not trolling, I just expect to know what I'm doing in addition to being told to do something - I have no idea if they're wrong or right, and in this case, for example, the person giving me advice was wrong.
[23:51] <krytarik> The latter is just *your* conclusion.
[23:52] <taza> He contradicts multiple portions of the Wiki, and suggested a course of action that didn't work.
[23:52] <taza> There isn't space for multiple conclusions on this one. He was wrong.
[23:52] <wxl> I'm pretty sure we don't need to discuss this issue any further.
[23:52] <wxl> Is there anything else you need help with, taza?
[23:53] <taza> wxl: Possibly shortly, I'm still getting my bearings