=== pavlushka is now known as Guest11248 [14:06] Hi ? [14:58] hey, what's the command that locks screen? [14:59] when i close laptop lid and open again, it gives me login prompt. I want to know which command is giving me that login prompt so i can set up keyboard binding. [15:28] lxsession-default lock ; and it's already set to C-A-l [17:39] saml, you may want to look at default apps for lxsession and see what command that is set to [17:39] or see what happens running lxsession-defualt lock in a terminal [18:04] why when i try to go to an internet site it wont work [18:14] swift110: all sites do not work? a particular protocol? can you ping google? are you sure you have an ip address? check your router, your internet provider, etc. tl;dr, it's unlikely to be lubuntu, unless you're setting up the machine for the first time. if you're using wireless and you have a broadcom card, that could explain that problem. if you've done all the above and can't find any clues, more details [18:14] are required on what version you're using, what card you have, what site you're trying to connect to, etc. etc. etc. etc. [19:18] So, I want to install an okay Lubuntu desktop on a system with less than 4gb of available hard drive space. [19:19] Grab the alternate install iso I presume, then boot off it. Anything special I need to do to grab it? lubuntu-core looks okay. [19:19] taza: then i would suggest installing with the netboot iso and installing lubuntu-core. adding only the items from -desktop that you need. [19:20] Can I install lubuntu-core off -alternative or -desktop? [19:20] taza: nope. you'll get lubuntu-desktop only [19:20] taza: the key is that the netboot iso (aka mini iso) has taskel on it. [19:22] Well off I go [19:22] I mean I could probably install anything [19:22] yeah but with limited space, it might be good to start small and work from there [19:22] It's an old Eee PC 701 4G, and I need to modify it into a system that can run a few command-line tools [19:22] oh jeez if you only need CLI you don't even need lubuntu [19:23] you could do it with ubuntu-core [19:23] I'd rather have GUI just for easy Chrome use [19:23] ah there you go [19:23] so lubuntu-core + chrome and you're probably good to go [19:24] Yerp. [19:25] Possibly VLC. It does need to play mpeg4 files enough to verify they're functional... [19:25] you might be able to do with with ffmpeg [19:25] ... I got reaaal bored of using the internal filesystem tools for managing a recording device, but I don't want to sacrifice a good system to be on location, so I dug up a 701. [19:27] All I really need are fdisk and a way to manipulate fat32 drives over usb. The chrome and the vlc are convenience. [19:33] Does lubuntu-core come with a tool to manage wireless networks? [19:35] Hah, this reminds me of the days I ran Linux on a Pentium 90 [19:36] Debian with IceWM, I think [21:37] Ah, yes. Having a system that has a 4gb integrated chip for a SSD, and upgrading it to 2gb RAM makes the installer completely confused about what the sane thing is [21:45] It had 512mb originally, but the memory was cheap [23:29] Uh. The lubuntu-core package doesn't come with a terminal? [23:30] taza: I would *highly* recommend against just installing the meta, and instead go for the task or else you'll get unexpected results in the form of odd packages installed, and certain ones missed. [23:30] Ahh. Through tasksel that is? [23:30] That'd be helpful if it was in the wiki. [23:31] apt-get install lubuntu-core^ [23:31] ... what? [23:31] That's all you have to do, that'll install the task. [23:32] I'm not going to install things unless I understand what they do. [23:32] What does the ^ do and is it the same as tasksel? [23:32] And uh, why isn't this on the wiki? [23:32] Sure. That would be the same as tasksel, yes, just without needing to install tasksel. [23:33] Either way. You can check it out with -s (simulate.) [23:34] Except I installed lubuntu-core as the wiki says, and now tasksel says that's already selected [23:35] Your advice goes against the wiki's advice, and doesn't seem to do anything. Are you sure you're thinking of the right thing here? [23:36] Doesn't exactly "go against" it, but yes I am quite certain of what I'm talking about. [23:36] Though, you could just install lxterminal. [23:36] Then why are you giving advice that neither works nor is on the wiki? [23:37] How is it not working? [23:37] And you could ignore the task and just install a terminal such as lxterminal. [23:37] I already told you. [23:38] [02:34] Except I installed lubuntu-core as the wiki says, and now tasksel says that's already selected [23:38] So you're giving advice that doesn't work, contradicting available documentation AND you're not reading what I say in response. [23:38] ... that makes me kind of wary to follow any advice you give without verifying it with other sources. [23:40] Right, I did say to try apt-get install -s lubuntu-core^ I haven't heavily used tasksel and that's not what I recommended... Again, it's not contridicting documentation, it's an alternate (and perhaps better) method. I believe the documentation does say to use tasksel, which this equates to. I did read it, that's not telling me very much. And as I recommended, use -s to simulate it rather than just [23:40] running it (see in --help and the manpage that's what that switch does..) [23:40] [02:32] Sure. That would be the same as tasksel, yes, just without needing to install tasksel. [23:40] And now you're openly saying you didn't say what you said. [23:40] My goodness man... [23:41] You seem confused. Maybe you should spend more time learning how things work before trying to help people? Because I cannot say I know any more than I did before you replied. [23:41] I still don't know how the task and the package differ, for example. [23:41] OK, so install from the mini, use tasksel to install lubuntu-core. Then install from the mini again and do what I said. Compare the package lists, if there's something different then there... [23:41] Is there? [23:41] Shouldn't you know this before telling me to do something? [23:42] There is functionally nothing different in that case, as I said "That would be the same as tasksel"... Anywho, if you don't want to take my advice or would rather poke holes, I have no interest. [23:43] The problem is I have no idea how your advice is different from what I already did. [23:43] And you're contradicting the documentation, and yourself. And now you're getting defensive about it. [23:44] It doesn't feel like a genuine attempt to help me at all. [23:44] So, I've asked this twice, and I'll ask it again: What's different between the package and the task? [23:45] And the latest tasksel documentation directly contradicts you. [23:46] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel [23:46] Unit193 ^ [23:46] Seems like you're wrong and this was a waste of time for us both. [23:48] taza: If you really want help, try not to troll people as much. [23:48] taza: Hardly, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel#Usage_.28alternative.29 is exactly what I was saying. Though I do agree with your last assessment [23:48] krytarik: I'm not trolling [23:48] Anyway, have a good day sir. [23:48] krytarik: The help page clearly states the ^ is not needed [23:49] krytarik: "Note: The caret (^) was generally required at the end of the command in older versions of tasksel. It is not required in newer versions of tasksel." [23:49] taza: Ever considered that the wiki might be incomplete or even wrong? [23:49] Yeah, which is why I asked for the difference [23:49] Which wasn't provided. [23:49] If there's a difference, I expect for someone who gives me advice to do things to tell me what it is [23:50] krytarik: I'm not trolling, I just expect to know what I'm doing in addition to being told to do something - I have no idea if they're wrong or right, and in this case, for example, the person giving me advice was wrong. [23:51] The latter is just *your* conclusion. [23:52] He contradicts multiple portions of the Wiki, and suggested a course of action that didn't work. [23:52] There isn't space for multiple conclusions on this one. He was wrong. [23:52] I'm pretty sure we don't need to discuss this issue any further. [23:52] Is there anything else you need help with, taza? [23:53] wxl: Possibly shortly, I'm still getting my bearings