[00:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: dashy got out of Ubuntu NEW.
[00:00] <bluesabre> Unit193, woohoo!
[00:00] <bluesabre> knome, woohoo?
[00:01] <knome> well i'm cutting down on the amount of css i have to maintain in the future, so kind of...
[00:01] <bluesabre> nice
[00:01] <knome> moving to html5 stuff too
[00:01] <bluesabre> cool
[00:18] <knome> okay, i think i fixed most things i broke
[00:18] <bluesabre> :D
[04:20] <Unit193> Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/0.8.7-3
[05:53] <flocculant> morning
[05:56] <Unit193> Mourning.
[05:57] <flocculant> yup 
[05:57] <flocculant> summer is almost dead
[05:57] <Unit193> Finally...
[05:59] <flocculant> :)
[05:59] <flocculant> pretty summery summer we had, must be brexit and we imported summer directly from that well known country Africa
[06:00] <flocculant> none of the Euro summer taking stuff from us and not giving anything back :p
[06:06]  * pavlushka summarizing the summery as interesting :)
[06:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: you've had a break from me finding things - time to start again - got a bug on the iso - not sure where to report it
[06:27] <flocculant> we have no slideshow currently - not *that* important I guess, but we should have one ;)
[07:33] <flocculant> knome: when we changed xpl to council in strat docs - we only changed the xpl section, mp for remaining changes > https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/addcouncil/+merge/304445
[08:04] <Unit193> exo 0.11.1-1 made it out of Debian NEW.
[08:47] <knome> flocculant, yeah...
[08:47] <knome> flocculant, "If the Council abstains from the vote, the team leader in question has a casting vote." doesn't make sense
[08:50] <knome> flocculant, and "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, consensus between the Xubuntu Council and Xubuntu Technical Lead as well as broad support from the Xubuntu team." might need slight tweaking in wording
[08:50] <knome> flocculant, probably "While the Xubuntu Council and the Xubuntu Technical Lead have the last word on package selection, it's recommended that the whole team is involved in the discussion, bringing up well thought out arguments both for and against." too
[09:36] <Unit193> fg01: < bluesabre> AndroUser/fg01, please see https://wiki.xfce.org/contribute/easybugs?s[]=bugs for Xfce's "easy bugs"
[09:37] <fg01> Thank you
[11:26] <flocculant> knome: what doesn't make sense about the abstaining bit?
[11:28] <flocculant> knome: ack the other, also while not changed yet this doesn't make sense for sure "When disputes occur, contributors are strongly encouraged to refrain from taking the disputed actions to avoid sabotaging the dispute resolution process."
[11:35] <knome> why would the whole *council* abstain?
[11:35] <flocculant> who knows?
[11:35] <knome> i don't think any single person should have a casting vote with the council
[11:36] <knome> i mean... if it was a single XPL, he'd have a casting vote naturally
[11:36] <knome> a council can have votes split
[11:36] <knome> so if the council suddenly completely abstains... why should one person have a casting vote in THAT situation?
[11:38] <flocculant> I guess
[11:38] <flocculant> tbh not that interested - I'll just change it to whatever you want
[11:38] <knome> just drop the sentence
[11:39] <knome> well
[11:39] <knome> let it be
[11:39] <knome> i'll do my changes and then approve the whole stuff via the tema
[11:39] <knome> *team
[11:39] <flocculant> the bit that I say doesn't make sense - doesn't make sense 'Englishly' 
[11:39] <knome> or council if that's set up at that point
[11:39] <knome> :D
[11:40] <flocculant> pointless doing bunches of changes - you do them all
[11:40] <knome> hmm?
[11:40] <flocculant> I'll delete this one :)
[11:40] <knome> please don't
[11:40] <knome> i'll base my stuff on it
[11:41] <flocculant> oh ok
[11:41] <knome> i'm happy somebody noticed this...
[11:41] <knome> and while the latter ones i mentioned are just wording, i think the first one needs team/council approval
[11:41] <knome> and i'm not really sure what the right path is even
[11:41] <flocculant> I'll resubmit it then
[11:41] <knome> thanks
[11:41] <flocculant> without the abstainy bit
[11:42] <knome> sure, thanks
[11:42] <flocculant> but I'm not sure what we're actually trying to say here "When disputes occur, contributors are strongly encouraged to refrain from taking the disputed actions to avoid sabotaging the dispute resolution process."
[11:42] <knome> the meaning is
[11:42] <knome> if people disagree about a default package manager
[11:42] <flocculant> I assume taking it to somewhere - but that's not obvious to me
[11:43] <knome> nobody should go change the default package manager until the dispute is resolved
[11:43] <flocculant> oh right 
[11:43] <flocculant> mmm
[11:44] <flocculant> ok - I'll look at wording there
[11:44] <knome> thanks
[11:44] <flocculant> I'll look when properly back from work and resubmit it
[11:44] <knome> mhm, thanks
[11:44] <flocculant> knome: just to be sure - the abstain bit I will leave saying XPL for the time being
[11:45] <knome> wfm
[11:45] <knome> it's a draft/WIP thing anyway
[11:45] <flocculant> yea ofc
[11:46] <flocculant> should really always be wip or Xubuntu is stagnant :)
[11:46] <knome> more or less yes
[16:51] <flocculant> knome: mmm that bit which makes no sense to me exists in Dispute Resolution - are you positive it relates to packages?
[17:09] <flocculant> actually I see what people are trying to say 'don't do whatever the dispute is about' I'm not sure action(s) is the right word though
[17:09] <flocculant> but given it's not been an issue up to now - resubmitting without touching it
[17:21] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks for doing that :)
[17:38] <knome> flocculant, not only packages, but generally disputes; my example was... just an example :)
[17:39] <flocculant> yea 
[17:40] <flocculant> as I say worked it out in the end :)
[17:40] <knome> yep
[17:40] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: congrats
[17:40] <knome> Unit193, thanks for the apparently really tight race!
[17:41] <knome> ochosi, if you add me as an admin to the xpl team, i can handle the formalities
[17:42] <knome> eg. team name change etc.
[17:43] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: since the council is to set its own chair, i propose sean as he was the number one choice for the community in the vote
[17:44] <flocculant> knome: thanks for working with me to get us this far on the council thing
[17:44] <knome> flocculant, but of course :)
[17:44] <flocculant> congrats to bluesabre ochosi knome :)
[17:44] <knome> this is for the benefit for us all - at least i believe so..
[17:45] <flocculant> knome: I know I'm not the easiest to work with - but only a few more weeks to go
[17:45] <knome> flocculant, nah, it's fine
[17:45] <knome> i appreciate people bringing up problems for real and not just shrugging and leaving them be
[17:46] <flocculant> well I will still be about for at least 1 more cycle 
[17:46] <knome> that's good to hear :)
[17:46] <flocculant> looking forward to taking over from akxwi-dave  :p
[17:47] <knome> a few more weeks..
[17:47] <flocculant> 6 ...
[17:47] <knome> haha
[17:47] <flocculant> not that I'm counting :p
[17:47] <knome> are you counting the days with a comb?
[17:48] <flocculant> scratching the wall in the cell - that's hard with a straitjacket on ...
[17:48] <knome> d:
[17:55] <flocculant> knome: I found xpl elsewhere too ...
[17:55] <knome> oh my
[17:56] <flocculant> knome: if it makes it easier I'll kill those 3 and do 1 instead :p
[17:56] <knome> wfm
[17:56] <knome> but either way is ok
[17:56] <knome> i can look at the diff for all of your edits combined anyway
[17:56] <flocculant> well I can do it if you want 
[17:56] <flocculant> or not
[17:56] <flocculant> either way is ok :p
[17:56] <knome> no specific need
[17:57] <flocculant> ok - well all xpl (except an addition to the qa team one while I was dealing with xpl in there)
[17:57] <knome> ack
[17:58] <flocculant> and I left the abstainy thing as it was beforehand
[17:58] <knome> oki
[17:58] <flocculant> as discussed lunchtime
[17:58] <knome> i'll try to look at that today
[17:58] <knome> (after wife has went to bed)
[17:58] <flocculant> :)
[17:58] <flocculant> well no rush I guess 
[17:59] <flocculant> at some point I'll go over the qa stuff before I hand over to Dave, just to make sure there's nothing missing from there I have in my head he'd want
[18:00] <flocculant> knome: with the other Dave being missing in action currently, is there anything we need to look at for the user docs?
[18:01] <flocculant> cos doc freeze isn't far away 
[18:05] <knome> that's a good question...
[18:05] <knome> i'll try to look at that too
[18:20] <akxwi-dave> evening
[18:21] <knome> hello dave
[18:21] <akxwi-dave> and flocculant .. the QA lead is yours whenever you want it... :-)
[18:22] <akxwi-dave> and grats to the new Council......   
[18:25]  * knome does a formal 1/3 bow
[18:36] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: you can't give it back now I've got rid ... 
[18:36] <flocculant> :p
[18:37] <akxwi-dave> you still got it till next cycle.. you aint rid yet... :-)
[18:49] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks again for handling the poll!
[18:50] <ochosi> knome: you're admin in the xpl team now so you can handle the rename
[18:50] <ochosi> i also added bluesabre 
[18:51] <ochosi> Unit193: tip of the hat, that was close!
[18:51] <flocculant> ochosi: just replied to your mail with url of results - for pleia2's archivy head
[18:51] <pleia2> flocculant <3
[18:51] <flocculant> pleia2: I knew you were there somewhere :p
[18:52] <flocculant> though it of course depends on civs keeping them ...
[18:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Danke.
[18:53] <pleia2> Unit193: congratulations!
[18:53] <pleia2> everyone else: condolences!
[18:53] <flocculant> pleia2: ha ha ha 
[18:54] <Unit193> Hah.
[18:56] <flocculant> I don't think I need say I would have cancelled poll if actual votes was 12 (re mail to list)
[18:56] <flocculant> but I would have ;)
[18:58] <ochosi> flocculant: oh thanks, forgot to add that one
[18:58] <flocculant> yw :)
[18:58] <ochosi> pleia2: muaha, nice one. and not so far from the truth ;)
[20:13] <nairwolf> hi everyone ;) And congratulations ochosi, bluesabre and knome ! 
[20:15] <nairwolf> I hope you'll bring great things to Xubuntu for the next two years ;)
[20:15] <nairwolf> And I will be happy to help you, as much as I can !
[20:33] <flocculant> night all
[20:34] <Unit193> G'night.
[20:38] <nairwolf> good night ;)
[20:42] <nairwolf> guys, I've apprently found something wrong in the login-menu (with the actual daily build), but I don't know if it's something related to a theme, or if it's related to the login manager (and I don't find which package is responsible for that). Could you help me please ? 
[20:49] <ochosi> nairwolf: tricky question, what is wrong with the "login menu" (and what is that exactly in your opinion)
[20:52] <nairwolf> Sorry, I had to upload my photo : http://imgur.com/a/OG8aJ
[20:53] <nairwolf> This is what I have during the login menu. 
[20:53] <ochosi> that's theme related
[20:53] <ochosi> i thought i had that sorted out, maybe you're also not using the latest-latest version of greybird there
[20:54] <nairwolf> let's me verify that
[20:54] <ochosi> or are you using a different theme?
[20:54] <nairwolf> I've just downloaded the actual daily build (31st August)
[20:55] <nairwolf> so, greybird gtk theme is : 3.18.0+20160720.7b72fea.gtk320-1 (on launchpad)
[20:55] <nairwolf> and on my computer....
[20:55] <ochosi> yeah, weird version numbering stuff
[20:56] <ochosi> i had hoped jbicha had cleaned that up already
[20:56] <nairwolf> It's the same that is used on the daily build
[20:56] <nairwolf> And I'm testing that on real hardware
[20:57] <nairwolf> ochosi: this version of greybird theme is from 25th July. When you talked about the latest-latest version of greybird, do you refer to something newer ?
[20:58] <nairwolf> That's weird, I do not have seen that few days ago. It may be something new. 
[21:10] <ochosi> yeah, the version i refer to is younger
[21:10] <ochosi> nairwolf: ^
[21:11] <nairwolf> hum... how I'm supposed to know there is a younger version ? Because I don't see anything else than this page : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme
[21:12] <ochosi> there is a newer version, but i'm not sure it has been packaged and released to yakkety yet
[21:12] <ochosi> maybe bluesabre or Unit193 can answer that
[21:12] <ochosi> (sry, not really up to speed with the packaging state of Y atm)
[21:13] <nairwolf> Oh, I think I got it : https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/gtk3.20
[21:13] <nairwolf> Is it these version ?
[21:14] <nairwolf> And no it's released to yakkety, as you can see here : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20160831/yakkety-desktop-amd64.manifest
[21:14] <Unit193> https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/greybird-gtk-theme.html - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme that's what you got.
[21:14] <nairwolf> the image 20160831 do not contain it
[21:14] <ochosi> this is it actually https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.20.0
[21:15] <nairwolf> oh, yes ochosi you right. I clicked in the wrong link (branch instead of tags)
[21:15] <nairwolf> That's a great thing you use github
[21:16] <Unit193> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme/+subscribe
[21:16] <nairwolf> so, what is the advice ? Open a bug at the greybird-gtk-theme package on launchpad ?
[21:17] <nairwolf> Unit193: do you think I could do anything to help for packaging or releasing ? If you want to use the last version for Yakkety
[21:17] <nairwolf> I would love to know how these kind of things are done
[21:24] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:27] <nairwolf> sorry, what does that mean ? 
[21:27] <nairwolf> welcome ? 
[21:27] <knome> "Hello."
[21:30] <nairwolf> okay, but sorry, I don't understand the general meaning...
[21:31] <nairwolf> anyway, I will report this bug on greybird-gtk-theme
[21:31] <nairwolf> thank you ochosi to help me which package was reponsible
[21:36] <ochosi> no worries
[21:43] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:43] <nairwolf> hello bluesabre ;)
[21:44] <nairwolf> Oh, I can't report a bug on launchpad...
[21:44] <nairwolf> no, that was just really really slow...
[21:45] <nairwolf> congratulations for your election !
[21:45] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: congrats
[21:46] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[21:46] <bluesabre> hey ochosi 
[21:51] <knome> flocculant, https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/council-changes
[21:51] <knome> flocculant,diff to your stuff at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/council-changes/revision/613
[21:52] <knome> flocculant, (also read the commit message)
[21:52] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: what about my chair suggestion?
[21:53] <ochosi> knome: +1
[21:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you have a nice string sorting function in c/glib?
[21:54] <bluesabre> knome, where?
[21:54] <bluesabre> ochosi, as in, sort strings alphabetically?
[21:54] <knome> bluesabre, --> 20:43  knome: bluesabre, ochosi: since the council is to set its own chair, i propose sean as he was the number one choice for the community in the vote
[21:55] <knome> and heh, launchpad fail. it says i'm a council member since 2014-05-15. yeah, that's the date when i was a member of that team for the *first* time, but i haven't been a member the whole time since.
[21:56] <bluesabre> knome, the purpose of the chair is primary point of contact?
[21:57] <knome> bluesabre, that, and i guess the chair is also the final final decider if the council is silly enough not to be able to reach consensus.
[21:57] <knome> mostly, the point of contact means nothing. you won't get many contacts...
[21:57] <knome> and if you do, you can simply delegate to other council members if you are busy
[21:57] <bluesabre> cool
[21:57] <bluesabre> I'm not opposed to it
[21:57] <knome> the whole primary point of contact -requirement comes from the ubuntu side, not us
[21:58] <knome> ok, then let it be so
[21:58] <bluesabre> ochosi, https://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-String-Utility-Functions.html#g-strcmp0 gets you started
[21:59] <knome> ochosi, you're the owner, and you're the only one who can change owner. plz set bluesabre as the one
[22:01] <ochosi> owner changed
[22:01] <ochosi> hf owning the council bluesabre :)
[22:02]  * bluesabre will try to not break it
[22:02] <knome> it's funny
[22:02] <knome> owning the team does not give you *any* additional permissions
[22:02] <knome> compared to being an admin
[22:02] <knome> ...except changing the owner
[22:02] <knome> >__<
[22:02] <pleia2> makes for a fun game of hot potato
[22:03] <knome> haha
[22:03] <pleia2> we talk about potatoes a lot
[22:03] <nairwolf> Did you know this bug is still present on Yakkety ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screenshooter/+bug/1567556
[22:03] <knome> i also noticed there's something wrong on the council mugshot gallery
[22:03] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-council/+mugshots
[22:03] <knome> can you spot the mistake?
[22:03] <knome> (yes, ochosi's face isn't tilted in the same angle!)
[22:03] <nairwolf> I don't remember if xfce4-screenshooter and imgur hosting worked on Xenial
[22:04] <pleia2> knome: you ask a lot from a lego
[22:05] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks for having my back here...
[22:05] <pleia2> lol
[22:05] <nairwolf> so, that's who you are ochosi.... Interesting ^^
[22:07] <knome> pleia2, well i AM the sir ask-a-lot!
[22:10] <knome> ochosi is sir lego-las
[22:10] <knome> and bluesabre is the chair-iot
[22:15] <bluesabre> lol
[22:21] <nairwolf> so, two bug reports for me tonight. That's enough for me tonight. See you later, I'm gonna sleep ;)
[22:24] <Unit193> nairwolf: I couldn't answer at the time, so I just ACK'd that you said something and that I wasn't ignoring you. :P
[22:24] <Unit193> Why do you guys make so much backlog...
[22:39] <bluesabre> :D
[22:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: FWIW, I've not been putting backports in xfce-4.12 because I didn't want to try and support 'em for the full duration of Xenial. :P
[22:40] <bluesabre> Unit193, that's definitely fine by me