[00:05] hello anyone out there? [00:12] hi there [00:13] hi, so it,s September. summer over. just managed to get logged in and installed on Pi3 [00:14] congratulations [00:14] ta. is it possible to ssh from mac? [00:15] like you can with Raspbian [00:16] i couldn't say. i don't use a mac or a pi. lol [00:23] managed to log in ubuntu mate via ssh. do i run hexchat from cmd line? [00:24] TIA [00:44] hello! :] [00:45] I have a little problem, figured I might find help in here. [00:46] I've decided to install UbuntuMATE alongside Windows, and I've made the bad decision to only allocate it 12GB. It now says it is full, although I did not really install anything other than the strictly necessary. [00:46] so I wonder: Is there a way to increase the space allocated for UbuntuMATE|? [00:54] Hello all! === martyn is now known as Guest95572 [02:47] Hi, is there a way to put Downloads and some other folders in the Places Menu, I tried to go right click and edit but the only menus i could edit is Applications and system http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1472697991.png [02:52] yes [02:52] oh wait wrong channel. don't know, sorry [02:53] check ~/.gtk-bookmarks and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks [02:53] if you add stuff in there i think it should show on places [02:53] but mate might be different [05:02] hi [05:02] hello [05:03] need help from experts... [05:03] I may not be an expert. But I may be able to help [05:05] ok [05:05] thanks ,, [05:05] my screen is flapping..aka flickring.. [05:05] any idea how to fix that,, [05:06] mrbhardw: what's the output of this command? put it to pastebin: [05:06] xrandr [05:06] maybe try going to mate-tweak and having it switch to marco with compositing or compton [05:07] sure [05:07] mrbhardw, can you also provide the output of the following command in a terminal: "inxi -MCG | nc termbin.com 9999" [05:07] mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ xrandr [05:07] Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767 [05:07] eDP1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 309mm x 174mm [05:07] 1600x900 60.00*+ [05:07] 1440x900 59.89 [05:07] 1368x768 60.00 [05:07] 1360x768 59.80 59.96 [05:08] 1152x864 60.00 [05:08] 1280x720 60.00 [05:08] 1024x768 60.00 [05:08] 1024x576 60.00 [05:08] 960x540 60.00 [05:08] 800x600 60.32 56.25 [05:08] 864x486 60.00 [05:08] 800x450 60.00 [05:08] 640x480 59.94 [05:08] 720x405 60.00 [05:08] 640x360 60.00 [05:08] mrbhardw, pastebin. next time. You don't ever want to paste large amount of text into this channel. [05:08] DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [05:08] wait! [05:08] DP2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [05:08] HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [05:08] HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [05:08] VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [05:08] WAIT [05:08] use pastebin [05:08] mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ inxi -MCG | nc termbin.com 9999 [05:08] http://termbin.com/f1yo [05:08] mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ [05:08] so you don't flood the chat [05:09] ohh i am sorry .. [05:09] new to linux.. [05:09] how to use pastebin [05:09] It's a website [05:09] ok [05:09] https://paste.ubuntu.com/ [05:10] mrbhardw, your system is fully up to date? [05:10] there is multiple paste bins [05:10] that is one [05:10] mrbhardw: try what siva_machina said, i.e.: marco --no-composite --replace [05:10] Does this make the flickering better? [05:10] yup [05:10] open up Mate tweak and change it from there [05:10] It may help [05:11] ok [05:11] No need to do it permanately, it's better from the command line [05:11] But ok anyway [05:11] He can change it back easy [05:11] Sure if he doesn't lose his whole display [05:11] Anyway, details... [05:12] alkisg, MATE Tweak inforces an automatic rollback after a few seconds [05:12] i did no composite will it work with external monitor as well.. [05:12] * siva_machina loses whole display and monitor melts [05:12] oh NO what I done! [05:12] whyyy [05:12] Hehe [05:13] mrbhardw, no option for compton? [05:13] mrbhardw: did it stop the flickering? [05:13] https://aboutsimon.com/blog/2016/07/20/Ubuntu-16.04-external-monitor-flickering-and-turning-off-on-intel-i915.html [05:13] one suggested me this.. [05:16] I forgot to ask an important question [05:16] what version of Ubuntu-mate are you on? [05:16] mrbhardw, [05:20] 16 [05:21] I awesome 16.04 [05:22] ok [05:22] assume [05:22] * siva_machina can't speel apperantly [05:22] spell [05:22] ok [05:23] anyways Ubuntu numbers there releases by the year and month it was released [05:23] like 16.04 came out in April of this year [05:24] ok so is that version is not stable for graphics ? [05:24] Not what I am getting at. Just explaning the numbering system ...sense you're new [05:25] anyway did mate tweak not work for you? [05:26] rebooted ... [05:26] shiva.. [05:26] siva* [05:26] no change in status... [05:26] mrbhardw, did you go through the "Driver & Firmware" steps of Welcome -> Getting Started? [05:27] nope.. [05:28] Do that now [05:28] Then reboot, see if it changes anything. [05:28] didnt find that option [05:28] System -> Welcome [05:28] it should be in the welcome menu or there should be a program called driver [05:29] its only Introduction , features, Getting Started [05:29] "Getting Started" [05:29] Then Driver & Firmware [05:29] got it .. [05:29] thanks.. [05:32] hi [05:32] Hello [05:32] sup [05:33] hell alexandra1982 [06:34] upgraded ubuntu mate on RPI3, now as a result my configs in /etc/systemd/network/ stopped working [06:34] no log messages or anything, they just do not seem to apply [06:35] I wonder what's changed.. [06:38] my files were 10-inteth0.link; 10-inteth0.network, 20-exteth.link, 20 exteth0.network; trying to consistently assign inteth0 to raspberry builtin ethernet, and exteth0 for USB ether adapter [06:38] but it looks as if systemd isn't even reading these files [06:39] worked with versions from 2 months ago :/ [06:45] Using Ubuntu 16.04 and Mate; Mate menus appear off monitor on all sides (top, bottom, left). Mouse moves beyond monitor border by about 1 CM. [06:46] Wboson: is that a tft monitor, or e.g. an old crt one? [06:46] Changing resolution of monitor does not impact the menu location or bring menus into visible space. [06:46] Older LCD Monitor using HDMI input [06:47] Does it also have a VGA input? If so, does the problem occur there? [06:47] Offers 12+ resolutions but 1080p is native [06:47] With analog, VGA there is an option to shrink the image but only on analog is that option available. [06:48] Not for DisplayMate or HDMI [06:48] (or whatever the large input cord is called ;) [06:49] It sounds like an issue with the monitor, not the operating system [06:49] For example, a TV of mine, has some stretching options, and it only shows all the pixels when I select "native" [06:49] Is there any X11 setting to define the monitor size [06:49] It's not about the monitor size [06:50] It's the monitor itself deciding to clip a border [06:50] The same thing happens in BIOS or in Windows, doesn't it? [06:50] The menus are there; they are above the visible area. [06:50] So you should explore all the monitor options first [06:52] I have tried six of 12 resolutions for HDMI 1080x720, etc. Basically, every other setting of the HDMI resolution near 60hz [06:52] No, does not happen in Win [06:53] -- That is not accurate. The Win input used is the Display* cord. The old PC that came with the monitor. Newer PC has HDMI output no Display* or VGA outputs [06:54] No reason to buy adapters - maybe a reason to buy a new monitor! [06:54] However, isn't there an X11 or WindowManager setting to define the Window size? [06:55] Not resolution but size by pixels or geo [06:55] You can define a fake border with some xorg.conf option, sure [06:55] But I haven't yet seen a TFT monitor that doesn't have a "native" stretching option [06:56] We used to do this for XWindows on large systems and PC clients. [06:56] OK; maybe better than VNCServer & client suggestion [06:58] I will locate the xorg.conf; does it exist or must be created? [06:58] Eh, sure, if you were to use a fake server, you'd be way better off with xephyr instead of vncserver/client [06:58] It needs to be created in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. man xorg.conf for details. [06:58] Thank you. [06:58] And since the issue is not related to ubuntu-mate, you can also ask in #ubuntu-x about it [06:59] i think you'll need "virtual" and "viewport", but I'm not sure [07:00] Why don't you put a VGA cable instead, if the monitor really doesn't have a proper setting for hdmi? [07:02] There is no VGA on the PC [07:02] Only video out is HDMI [07:02] Thanks. [07:02] You're welcome [07:02] I will explore the X11 options; into already. [07:04] Wboson: btw, you don't have an nvidia (so that nvidia-settings would be available),do you? [07:51] How do you install Sophos? [08:21] hi [08:21] hi gordon === gordon is now known as Guest8822 [08:23] yay [08:24] yoy [08:24] yey [08:33] Mentioning this for the heck of it; soreau is working on making Static work with Expo. [08:34] So for those who backported Compiz you may need to do some more dicking around with Git, but if you want to have a terminal always open even in Expo that may be coming near. === uaa is now known as Guest32977 === pavlushka is now known as Guest42214 === Guest42214 is now known as pavlushka === pavlushka is now known as Guest59036 === pavlushka_ is now known as Guest56533 === Guest56533 is now known as pavlushka [10:55] is there an alternative url to download 16.10 beta1 from? the url on the site just downloads until 7.9MB and then stops [10:55] this url: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.10/beta-1/ubuntu-mate-16.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso [10:57] try a download manager like uget [10:57] wget failed too [10:58] theres no uget for ubuntu livecd [11:00] hmm... maybe curl with --retry 999 and --retry-max-time 0 [11:12] cool, already 9M :D [11:12] thx [11:41] now it failed at 140MB [11:41] is there a net installer or sth I could use whilst having my laptop mounted in chroot? it has a broken ubuntu atm [11:42] it has ubuntu 16.04. What would happen if I just changed it apt sources to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 or 16.10 ? [11:43] allanViking, better use "do-release-upgrade -d" [11:43] allanViking, you can just restart the download using wget -c [11:43] or "wget -c http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.10/beta-1/ubuntu-mate-16.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso" [11:44] Or you know, use the torrent [11:45] my isp has banned torrents and I cant get into my vps, because for some reasons my ssh keys dont work in chroot [12:40] isp banning torrents is perhaps the most horrible thing i've heard in a while. Amazing the behavior of these ISP. so anti-consumer is not even funny [12:42] you are having lots of problems connecting to that address, allanViking. curl failed because you actually exhausted the 999 retries, which seems to mean either a problem with some router in the way, or your ISP actively killing the connection [12:42] Next they will ban email because you might use it to send spam [12:42] this isn't going to solve your problem now, but frankly switch ISP [12:43] indeed TwoNotes [12:45] bet they aren't banning torrents in their offices though. Where they can download all the crap they want including linux isos and films, because you know... torrents are evil [12:58] hi [12:58] hiiiiii [12:58] anyone? [12:58] just ask, if you have anything to ask. [12:59] i dont know [13:00] do any one know playonlinux? [13:00] it's bugged idk how to fix it [13:00] it's just freezing af on the loading [13:01] nope. sorry, don't use it. keep around for a while. someone might know and they'll see the post [13:01] ah okay thanks [13:03] right === user01 is now known as mate69247 === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [13:42] hello, i found the topmenu applet not to be working reliably. it sometimes just vanishes. also applications like firefox don't work at all [13:53] anyone played w/ the fonts settings on UM xenial? [13:53] I noticed some flakiness [13:54] as in, you touch it and things go apeshit [13:57] hello guys [13:58] huy BlackPanx [13:59] i have a question... when i dock my ubuntu mate laptop, sometimes screen shows up on external monitor, sometimes it doesnt and sometimes whole laptop freezes. could someone point me into right direction on where to find solution for this kind of behaviour [14:00] it seems to be direcly linked to drivers and kernel... maybe i should ask there? it's kinda hard to debug, since no message gets written in dmesg or so... [14:00] BlackPanx. first identify exact machine specs so ypu can browse the bug reports w/ that info: inxi -MCG [14:01] https://paste.fedoraproject.org/418924/72738482/raw/ [14:02] i should check intel's website maybe... this broadwell driver is mega buggy, i suspect it has something to do with it. [14:10] how to access root account [14:11] how to do partition after installing mate [14:13] can any one help me regarding this === pavlushka_ is now known as Guest89318 === Guest89318 is now known as pavlushka [14:54] hi [14:55] what's up . [15:19] how to check for software [15:21] 1604 problems with systemd .link files, I constantly have mac-address generated interface names on RPI3, anyone have any idea? [15:21] it seemed to work with state-of-the-art system 3 months ago but since apt-get upgrade, now stopped working [15:21] isn't it 1607 instead of 1604? [15:22] ah wait, nm [15:22] for some reason i thought i was in another channel [15:30] hmm for some reason the udev rules are completely ----ed [15:30] for net [15:31] first of all, I had to remove 73-usb-net-by-mac.rules because it was forcing enx321123123123-style names on all of my ethernets (Raspberry PI) :/ [15:32] but even then, my systemd .link stuff is not run, or it doesn't take effect [15:46] hello, i just realized, the mate install gimped my arch installation [15:46] i can boot mate, windows, but arch gives me kernel panic [15:48] so why? no other distro ever changed anothers distros boot capabilities for me ever [15:49] i guess arch just screwed itself up [15:49] which doesn't surprise me at all [15:50] why should it have? it just happened after the u-mate installation, so now its arch's fault? [15:50] i dont know what happened [15:51] does sudo update-grub detect arch? [15:51] by the way, update-grub is one of the greatest features in debian-based distros i've seen [15:52] it detects it like the first time when it was initially installed [15:52] can you chroot your arch? [15:52] as an arch user, you are way better than other people so you know how to use chroot, right? [15:53] i do know, but why that sarcastic statement? [15:53] because most arch users think they are better people than others [15:54] thats the problem with generalization [15:54] thats the problem with arch [15:54] if you go through the "advanced" installation using the wiki you're just way better than other people using their debian-based distros. [15:55] i've done that once, i liked the idea of installing minimally but hated everything else in arch [15:55] arch is just a great distro. and there no denying. archwiki is also super helpful. thats the reason i also use it (among others) [15:55] i mean [15:55] 99% of the stuff on the wiki work on other distros too [15:55] isnt that great? [15:56] their wiki is great, and i think everything else is awful [15:56] pacstrap, zsh, no update-grub [15:56] systemd [15:56] your allowed to your opinion [15:56] but thats just my opinion [15:56] did you know? [15:56] dont need to like it [15:57] i don't, and thats why i don't use it [15:57] good for you. wheres the problem? [15:58] if you know how to use your weird package manager you could try updating grub from your arch [15:58] actually [15:58] if you know how to make grub config the weird arch way [15:58] points i like are the AUR as the best system to get packages imo, and knowing that anything is possible and configurable are good reasons to use it [15:59] Akuli, arch is not weird. It's just not Debian. I'd thought to make that distinction clear, if you don't mind [15:59] its not debian, but i found it just awful in many ways [16:00] Clearly not a sentiment shared by many people among arch and non-arch users. So perhaps you are just wrong [16:00] its also good to learn new things about linux. [16:00] besides distro-wars type of speech bore me to death. I won't say one more word about it [16:00] mate69247, you don't learn linux with arch, you learn arch with arch [16:01] *sigh* [16:01] for example installation, you need their arch-chroot instead of regular chroot [16:01] thats simply not true, but you may want to believe that, so continue to do so @ Akuli [16:02] if knowing linux means being able to use zsh with broken autocompletion i suck at linux [16:03] i mean, arch comes with minimal software and what it comes with just happens to be my least favorite things [16:03] zsh happens to have te best autocompletion system of any shell. What are you talking about? Unless you mean broken=nadly configured [16:03] i switched to fish as i found it to be faster to set up and better out of the box [16:03] whatever configuration the arch install cd uses sucks [16:03] i typed mkfs. and hit the tab twice, it printed me a list of what filesystems i can make which is great [16:03] but then it asked me what i want [16:04] i said i just want to type it out myself by hitting Ctrl+C and it took the autocompletion list away :( [16:04] bash never does that [16:04] zsh didn't give me any advantages over fish so far, and it works great [16:04] Akuli, you are reacting to Arch like a newcomer reacts to linux. You don't understand it and automatically it sucks. [16:05] rahtgaz, thats my impression too [16:05] i want bash and sysvinit [16:05] not zsh and systemd [16:05] like i said, arch just happens to come with my least favorite stuff [16:05] what are you talking about? [16:05] arch doesnt come with zsh [16:05] the install cd uses it by default [16:06] you aware that you can set up everything the way you want right? [16:06] yes, and a debian installed from a mini.iso allows me to do that also [16:06] i also get this by default which is awesome http://dpaste.com/0GREBM1 [16:07] the thing is, i don't want to start my customization by removing stuff [16:07] good grief. You just don't understand the difference between something not working your way and something actually being bad [16:07] i want to install my stuff and be done [16:07] rahtgaz, arch is awful to me, and great to others [16:07] not their fault in any way [16:08] so you choose your linux flavor based on the default terminal settings? nice.. [16:08] among many other things [16:08] why prefer bash over zsh :? [16:08] I'd only wish you made that clearer everytime this issue comes one right from the start. And not after you are being told about it, some 30 posts later [16:08] (just curious) [16:08] ztane, why prefer zsh over bash? [16:08] because it's got more functionality [16:08] ew [16:09] i don't want more garbage [16:09] i want something simple and beatiful [16:09] which no shell interpreter actuallyis [16:10] bash is much closer to what i want than zsh anyway [16:10] i could configure zsh to do what i need, but bash is that by default so why would i bother [16:10] me, me, me, me. jeez [16:10] Greetings! [16:11] RFleming, welcome to arch vs me fight [16:11] Akuli, that's not bash. That's the distro that is configuring that for you. Try to install bash on a slackware setup[ and you'll hate it more than zsh. I promise you [16:11] exacly [16:11] i mean, i'm happier with freebsd csh than arch zsh [16:11] by default bash has usually not many 'features' [16:12] even debian /bin/sh [16:12] Akuli: yeah... I read [16:12] :) [16:12] now you are just trolling [16:12] again, zsh is not 'an arch thing' [16:12] you can use anything [16:13] and thats the point in arch more then most other distros [16:13] tell me one thing you do in arch and i can't do in debian. [16:13] go ahead, should be easy. [16:13] your clearly not the kind of person who likes to tweak things to his needs in detail, so its not for you. [16:13] wrong challenge [16:14] Akuli: run packman [16:14] RFleming, run aptitude [16:14] it has a game also [16:14] RFleming, rekt^^ [16:14] lol [16:15] using the AUR (you wish) [16:15] mate69247: actually, I believe you can use AUR with pacapt [16:16] RFleming, shh..:-) [16:16] I have nothing against Arch... [16:16] don't know about that. may try that out [16:17] I just don't prefer it because I got tired of source compiles and playing russian roulette with updates [16:17] I did LFS for a while, slack, gentoo [16:17] i hadn't even heard of those problems yet :D [16:17] got burned by rpm dependency hell [16:17] theres downside to any distro sadly [16:17] Debian based distros make sense to me. [16:18] although I would really like a rolling update style debian distro that wasn't crap [16:18] one thing arch makes me do is using terminal based applications, so i'm in a different mentality when using it [16:19] mate69247: I predominantly use Linux in a server environment, so I only use CLI [16:19] even on my laptop at home, I'll use CLI before GUI... unless it's GUI cosmetic things... and printers. [16:19] ... gawd, I hate printer support in Linux. [16:19] sadly its not the best [16:20] well it's not so much Linux's fault... but everyone who makes printers. With the exception of HP [16:20] even Xerox sucks. [16:20] well, epson also do linux [16:20] yay [16:20] (got one) [16:21] its a shame you have to choose printers that way [16:21] but its the way [16:21] i don't use the gui world that much on debian-based distros [16:21] Let's not go hating on Arch Akuli... instead lets embrace the fact that we are unified in a world without windows and gates :) [16:21] RFleming, better sit down [16:21] i have to dual boot! [16:21] emacs, bash and sysvinit are still the best pieces of softwares ever <3 [16:21] * RFleming works in a Windows shop :) [16:22] i like gaming and also need graphics application for work [16:22] my work computer is Windows 10... with a Mate VM [16:22] (they often use macs too) [16:23] software wise, i prefer windows over mac [16:23] mac is just ALOT prettier [16:23] Now there's a group of people who feel they're elitist! [16:23] windows is quite ugly imo [16:23] Windows 10 is nice [16:24] depends tho, the graphics guys usually dont care that much [16:24] I should get the Anniversary edition of Windows 10... then I can run Ubuntu IN Windows [16:24] they just get mac because its the graphics thing to get [16:24] usually dont know much about computers (from my expericence) [16:25] So I just installed beta 1. Anything I should be looking out for? [16:25] RFleming, read about that [16:25] http://www.howtogeek.com/265900/everything-you-can-do-with-windows-10s-new-bash-shell/ [16:25] apparently APT works in it :) [16:25] can it run vim and ranger btw? [16:25] I dunno. I haven't tried it yet [16:26] these would be reasons to use the fearure [16:26] damn spelling [16:32] btw, anyone got the topmenu applet working for mazilla apps? [16:34] RFleming, using i3? could make sense on a server [16:34] funny you should mention that [16:34] I've just finished installing mate 16.10 beta 1 [16:34] and I'm also installing 16.04 from the mini.iso, so I can experiment with i3w :) [16:35] * RFleming looooves virtual machines [16:35]