| Bashing-om | Eyes are crossing, time to call it :( | 05:16 |
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| OerHeks | unity7 low graphics mode, finally someone making improvements http://www.whizzy.org/2016/09/unity-7-low-graphics-mode/ | 10:44 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:22 |
| === dax_ is now known as dax | ||
| EriC^^ | got me a a new ext hdd | 16:19 |
| EriC^^ | ah the look of a fresh smart data :D | 16:19 |
| ducasse | nothing like fresh bits that haven't been used before ;) | 16:21 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 16:21 |
| EriC^^ | ducasse: yeah :) | 16:21 |
| daftykins | \o | 16:21 |
| ducasse | \o daftykins | 16:21 |
| daftykins | isn't it crazy that disks don't even store binary though, but an analog wave form? | 16:22 |
| EriC^^ | hey daftykins \o | 16:22 |
| EriC^^ | *mind blown* | 16:22 |
| ducasse | i guy on a mailing list used the term 'recycling' today in the context of cleaning up his disk, and i got this image in my mind of him cutting up bytes with a scissor and dropping the bits into the bit bucket for re-use. | 16:25 |
| ducasse | _a_ guy, that is. | 16:26 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:26 |
| daftykins | they gotta be reused! | 16:27 |
| ducasse | *clip* *plonk* *clip* *plonk* :) | 16:27 |
| ducasse | btw EriC^^ - what kind of disk did you get? | 16:28 |
| EriC^^ | ducasse: a seagate backup slim 2tb | 16:28 |
| EriC^^ | it's a normal hdd | 16:29 |
| EriC^^ | it vibrates like crazy though, compared to the older one i had, seagate expansion 500gb | 16:29 |
| daftykins | http://www.seagate.com/gb/en/consumer/backup/backup-plus/ ooh | 16:29 |
| daftykins | hmm put it on a sponge :D | 16:29 |
| EriC^^ | that's the plus one i think, i got the smaller slim one | 16:29 |
| daftykins | ever see that video of a guy in a data centre / server room, where shouting into a drive shows it slowing down? | 16:30 |
| EriC^^ | it's very tiny, like 3/4 the size of the older 500gb one O.o and slimmer | 16:30 |
| ducasse | i've seen those, small and practical for carrying around. i've had so many bad experiences with seagate, personally, although i hear they have gotten better. | 16:30 |
| EriC^^ | oh yeah, the link the is correct | 16:30 |
| EriC^^ | personally i love seagate, my old one lasted a good 7 years or so, and i've dropped it maybe 10 times or more | 16:31 |
| ducasse | sure, my 'evidence' is all anecdotal. only have one seagate now, one of the dreaded 3tb barracudas, and it has been working for many years now :) | 16:32 |
| daftykins | a friend is buying one of these old core 2 duo PCs i have, i put my old 150GB WD raptor HDD, one of those 10,000RPM suckers in it - oh my word the scratchiness from boot is insane | 16:34 |
| EriC^^ | :) | 16:34 |
| daftykins | proper trip down memory lane | 16:34 |
| daftykins | shall i video it? :> | 16:34 |
| EriC^^ | :D | 16:35 |
| ducasse | daftykins: i had a 10.000rpm seagate cheetah scsi-ii disk maaaaany years ago, sounded like a jet when it spun up. | 16:39 |
| daftykins | :> | 16:40 |
| EriC^^ | it's hard to imagine there's a disk in my hdd spinning at 5400rpm or so | 16:40 |
| daftykins | indeedy | 16:40 |
| daftykins | i get really gentle when i deal with a laptop with a mechanical in now XD | 16:40 |
| daftykins | love having solid state only, then i fling them around like they're nothing ^_^ | 16:41 |
| daftykins | kinda feel like i should put in a better drive... | 16:42 |
| ducasse | <3 ssd's, got two 850 evo's in my desktop. kind of regret not getting m2 instead, but... *shrug* | 16:43 |
| EriC^^ | i've yet to experience a ssd | 16:43 |
| daftykins | ! | 16:44 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: once you do, you can never go back | 16:44 |
| EriC^^ | :D | 16:44 |
| ducasse | i've actually got too many, have three cheap 120gb ssd's that have been replaced. not sure what to do with them, maybe a new root mirror on the server. | 16:45 |
| daftykins | post one to EriC^^ ;) | 16:45 |
| EriC^^ | tonight i'm going to go try to take some nights pics of lebanon | 16:47 |
| daftykins | maybe i will put this SSD i have in that white macbook in, then i can put a 40GB spare in there which is much more bearable for Linux - i don't think i'm ever going to sell that macbook because it's too rubbish now | 16:47 |
| daftykins | yay pics \o/ | 16:48 |
| EriC^^ | i got the nikon camera i wanted :D yesterday i went to take some pics at night and some security guy pulled over and told me i couldn't take pics from there cause it's a private area | 16:48 |
| EriC^^ | lol, i was literally at the side of the road, but there's a gate to a still to-be-built resort/village kind of thing, pretty stupid | 16:49 |
| daftykins | o0 sounds like a guy on a power trip | 16:49 |
| ducasse | here on norway the most common security firm is often called 'the berry police'. :) | 16:51 |
| ducasse | _in_ norway. | 16:51 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, i think he was bored or something and thought some teens were parked on the side of the road making out or something :D | 16:51 |
| daftykins | playing pokémon go | 16:51 |
| EriC^^ | :D | 16:51 |
| EriC^^ | anyone playing noman's sky? | 16:53 |
| daftykins | i watched some twitch guys stream it, wow huge drama surround that one | 16:54 |
| EriC^^ | yeah lots | 16:54 |
| daftykins | saw one travel to the centre of the galaxy in the game to see the end... wow. | 16:55 |
| SonikkuAmerica | When did #ubuntu-discuss become #ubuntu-offtopic-v2 ? | 16:55 |
| daftykins | i think they have a chance to improve it still, but oof | 16:55 |
| EriC^^ | i haven't yet, i'm like mid journey or something | 16:55 |
| daftykins | SonikkuAmerica: problem? | 16:55 |
| EriC^^ | SonikkuAmerica: like 2 years ago or something, couldn't been before too :P | 16:55 |
| SonikkuAmerica | daftykins: Nah, not the biggest problem, just seems weird :P I thought this was on-topic Ubuntu-related discussion, is all | 16:56 |
| daftykins | it becomes that when someone raises a relevant topic. | 16:56 |
| ducasse | and honestly, there's a fair amount of on-topic discussion here too. just not right now :) | 16:57 |
| daftykins | ^+1 | 16:57 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Oh | 16:57 |
| SonikkuAmerica | lol | 16:57 |
| daftykins | we've kinda turned it into a volunteer chat base | 16:57 |
| SonikkuAmerica | cool | 16:57 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I'm kind of interested in discussing how the new Ubuntu core apps would work in an Xorg fallback situation as probably 90% of Ubuntu users will have to deal with (since Intel is not supporting Mir) | 16:59 |
| daftykins | i don't even know where Mir is at right now, in regard to when it will become the norm | 17:00 |
| daftykins | not sure what you mean by core apps either | 17:01 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I wish I had a machine to test Mir on, but all my stuff has Intel integrated graphics | 17:01 |
| ducasse | i've decided to give mir a wide berth. could probably test it on my laptop, i just can't find any reason to. | 17:02 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Me too. I prefer Wayland | 17:02 |
| ducasse | +1. more fragmentation when reinventing the linux desktop is Bad. | 17:03 |
| daftykins | might work in a VM then? | 17:03 |
| SonikkuAmerica | daftykins: Haven't tried in a while, but I think I ran into a problem with VBox. Might try with VMware or KVM though | 17:03 |
| daftykins | can't wait until we're no longer having to deal with the kind of rubbish X.org requires, i was dealing with xorg.conf modelines just yesterday - on the other hand, i won't have a clue how to support anyone in the future :D | 17:04 |
| daftykins | yeah virtualbox is a mess in my experience | 17:04 |
| ducasse | i'm sure the mir devs test on at least some vm platform. | 17:04 |
| ducasse | i'd guess kvm. | 17:04 |
| daftykins | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/ | 17:05 |
| daftykins | you sure the intel no support thing is XMir and not Mir? | 17:05 |
| daftykins | as usual with FOSS it's as clear as mud :> | 17:05 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Well, let's turn on the mud vision goggles and have a look | 17:05 |
| daftykins | maybe that's why ubuntu was always brown... :D | 17:06 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Well, here's the Ars Technica article where it all started: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/ | 17:07 |
| daftykins | that's the same link. | 17:07 |
| SonikkuAmerica | The idea is that Intel would not support Mir in xf86-video-intel (which we know as xserver-xorg-video-intel) | 17:07 |
| daftykins | but they're saying XMir, not Mir | 17:07 |
| SonikkuAmerica | So it looks like Canonical will set up a way to get XMir running, but they're going to have to do that work in-house | 17:09 |
| daftykins | when i read that, i see XMir as an intermediary half way house that's not necessary | 17:09 |
| SonikkuAmerica | kind of like how ArchLinux handles Intel microcode updates (as a separate initial ramdisk) | 17:09 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlmolbvsh6idbgk/M.2-SSD_vs_150GB-WD-raptor.png?dl=0 | 17:09 |
| daftykins | hilarious ^ | 17:09 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: did you get the hp printer working? | 17:15 |
| daftykins | might need more sacrifices :) | 17:19 |
| ducasse | wave a chicken over it :) | 17:22 |
| ducasse | headless, if necessary. | 17:23 |
| EriC^^ | ducasse: nope | 18:00 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: it won't show up if you scan for network printers? | 18:01 |
| EriC^^ | wow daftykins that's pretty substantial when you put it side to side | 18:01 |
| EriC^^ | ducasse: nope, it says no devices could be found | 18:01 |
| EriC^^ | if i press print in gedit it can kind of see it, and says gathering information but hangs at that | 18:02 |
| ducasse | interesting. everything seems to be good on the printer side of things? does it have a display/menu? | 18:03 |
| EriC^^ | yup it's working fine | 18:03 |
| EriC^^ | it says it needs the usb to be connected temporarily to set it up, then it can use the wireless | 18:04 |
| ducasse | weird. thinking... | 18:04 |
| ducasse | i guess it's using the typical printer usb b plug? | 18:05 |
| EriC^^ | i think so | 18:06 |
| ducasse | the almost square plug? | 18:07 |
| EriC^^ | yup that's it | 18:07 |
| ducasse | they're easy enough to find, but annoying to buy one to use for five minutes. | 18:09 |
| EriC^^ | yeah | 18:10 |
| EriC^^ | i'll give this a go http://askubuntu.com/questions/635753/hp-envy-4500-wifi-printer-not-found-using-wifi | 18:11 |
| EriC^^ | connect it to the wlan and try to ping it | 18:12 |
| ducasse | just entering the url was what i was thinking of too. | 18:12 |
| ducasse | i've got an epson wifi printer where you just configure networking in the display, then it should be auto-discoverable. can't see why the pc would need to talk to it over a cable first. if so, the cable should be included. | 18:15 |
| EriC^^ | hmm right now the printer is connected to the android phone | 18:17 |
| EriC^^ | i'm tethering the internet from it for the pc | 18:17 |
| ducasse | well, if there's anything you want me to check about how mine is configured i'll look, a lot of stuff should be the same although these are different makes. | 18:19 |
| EriC^^ | thanks | 18:20 |
| EriC^^ | it seems that the printer is 192.168.43.59 | 18:21 |
| ducasse | same subnet as pc? | 18:21 |
| EriC^^ | i think so | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | i did hp-setup then wireless/ethernet then advanced and put the printer's ip | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | seems to have found it | 18:22 |
| ducasse | \o/ | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | yay! | 18:23 |
| EriC^^ | now for a test page :D | 18:23 |
| EriC^^ | awesome, it's working :) | 18:26 |
| ducasse | goodie :) how's the print quality? | 18:26 |
| EriC^^ | pretty decent | 18:27 |
| EriC^^ | nice to see the gedit font on paper :D | 18:27 |
| ducasse | :) | 18:27 |
| ducasse | thinking of buying a hp laser, i'm fed up with inkjets. what they charge for the ink for mine is just laughable. | 18:29 |
| daftykins | i've had the misfortune of setting up wireless printers like that, often there's a crazy button press combo to use WPS connections that's easy, otherwise yeah it can be hassle over a cable to begin to configure | 18:30 |
| ducasse | i don't get why they can't just include the cable with the printer... | 18:31 |
| EriC^^ | how much do the ink costs? | 18:32 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, i was wondering the same thing, it's kind of silly | 18:32 |
| ducasse | over £100 for all six cartridges. | 18:32 |
| EriC^^ | yikes | 18:32 |
| ducasse | that's about half of what the printer itself cost. | 18:33 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 18:33 |
| daftykins | because they sell these £30 things that are destined for the landfill now, a cable would probably add a lot if you mass produce the machine | 18:33 |
| EriC^^ | my last printer was back in 1998 when i first got a pc, so i'm looking at this one like it's a piece of magic right now | 18:34 |
| daftykins | XD | 18:34 |
| * daftykins avoids them | 18:34 | |
| ducasse | i was just typing exactly that, daftykins | 18:34 |
| ducasse | :) | 18:35 |
| EriC^^ | i never really use them as well | 18:36 |
| EriC^^ | back in the day i used to like to print guides and stuff and take them to the bathroom to read sometimes | 18:36 |
| EriC^^ | now i just carry the laptop with me :D | 18:37 |
| daftykins | XD | 18:37 |
| daftykins | i get a lot of RSS feed news read in there ;) | 18:37 |
| ducasse | i want a small tablet to use for reading docs and such. would be nice to have lying on the desk with reference books, etc. | 18:38 |
| ducasse | btw EriC^^, if you have a use for a cheap kingston 120gb ssd i'd be happy to send you one. they've all been in use for about six months, after that they've mainly just been powered on. | 18:53 |
| EriC^^ | i'm getting a new laptop next week that comes with a ssd, i appreciate the offer though :) | 19:07 |
| ducasse | okidoke, let me know if you change your mind. they're just collecting dust :) | 19:08 |
| EriC^^ | ok :) | 19:08 |
| ducasse | i absolutely love solid-state storage. best thing to happen for computing in a long time :) | 19:09 |
| EriC^^ | yup, can't wait to try it out! | 19:10 |
| ducasse | i mean, with the speed of memory, system bus and cpu's these days, storage was really the bottleneck. | 19:11 |
| EriC^^ | yeah | 19:12 |
| EriC^^ | i wish they'd made bigger and faster cpu's for laptops soon | 19:12 |
| EriC^^ | *make | 19:13 |
| daftykins | wrong choice imo | 19:13 |
| ducasse | i'd guess power is the main issue. | 19:13 |
| EriC^^ | why | 19:13 |
| dax | i'd rather have same speed more efficiency | 19:14 |
| dax | than faster and same efficiency | 19:14 |
| dax | haven't been CPU-bound in ages | 19:14 |
| EriC^^ | i read the 2 core and 4 core basically use similar power | 19:14 |
| EriC^^ | sounds kind of silly now that i think of it, but i read it somewhere :D | 19:15 |
| ducasse | this laptop is just an old i3, but even that is plenty fast for much of what i do. | 19:17 |
| EriC^^ | seems the power consumption is pretty higher on the i7 than i5 | 19:18 |
| EriC^^ | like 30w vs 50w | 19:19 |
| daftykins | desktop for performance, laptop for mobility and battery life - is my approach :) | 19:19 |
| ducasse | +1 | 19:19 |
| EriC^^ | they should make something like the mercedes 600 v12, it had a button that could use 6cylinders or 12cylinders | 19:21 |
| EriC^^ | that would be pretty nice | 19:22 |
| daftykins | you can get so-called 'DTR' laptops, desktop replacement, but they're a bit mad | 19:22 |
| daftykins | i never understand how anyone that does IT work seriously can cope with owning just a laptop at home :D plenty around though | 19:22 |
| EriC^^ | the first laptop i got was an i7 4 core, i didn't even know what i was buying, i thought it was like pentium 1 2 3 4, i3 i5 i7 | 19:23 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:24 |
| EriC^^ | so now i think if i get a 2 core it'll be slow or something | 19:24 |
| ducasse | actually had a dual pentium ii-400 just around the time linux gained smp support, good times :) | 19:26 |
| daftykins | not all i7s are even quad ;) | 19:26 |
| daftykins | (in the mobile space) | 19:27 |
| ducasse | quad + ht, right? | 19:27 |
| daftykins | no some i7s are dual | 19:27 |
| ducasse | oh, ok. | 19:27 |
| daftykins | so you can never go by number - got to dig up the spec sheet on ark.intel.com :) | 19:27 |
| EriC^^ | yup | 19:27 |
| EriC^^ | i5 and i7 6500u are like 10% difference | 19:28 |
| daftykins | lol a guy in #kodi just wanted to use it on a phone to share videos to a desktop "because i cba to get the cable" uuuuugh | 19:28 |
| EriC^^ | some i5 are 4 core too | 19:28 |
| daftykins | yarr | 19:28 |
| ducasse | daftykins: cba? | 19:28 |
| daftykins | can't be bothered, lazy | 19:28 |
| EriC^^ | nothing beats the guy who wanted linux to turn on his light in the room | 19:29 |
| EriC^^ | "i want to turn my pc on and have it turn the light on too, and turn it off when i shutdown" | 19:29 |
| ducasse | "get an rpi" | 19:30 |
| daftykins | i put two Pis in as network music streamers at a clients the other day, after having that test one at my place | 19:30 |
| daftykins | synced up FLAC playback in 4 rooms from the basement file server :) all controlled by smartphone app | 19:31 |
| ducasse | daftykins: what software? i want something similar. | 19:31 |
| daftykins | picoreplayer on the devices and logitech media server on the file server | 19:32 |
| daftykins | http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/index.php | 19:33 |
| ducasse | ok, i'd probably just share the music over nfs, was thinking maybe mpd on the player(s) | 19:33 |
| daftykins | these are great because pcp runs from RAM only after booting tinycore Linux, so no card corruption | 19:34 |
| daftykins | at theirs i had to use analog, but i use HDMI audio into my AV receiver here | 19:34 |
| daftykins | i'm married to the LMS software though because i own an actual squeezebox device | 19:35 |
| ducasse | ah. i've never looked at it, i don't believe in streaming music. i prefer access to the actual files. | 19:37 |
| daftykins | that's what i am doing, it's just coming from the file server on the LAN | 19:37 |
| daftykins | i also do not touch any of this internet based streaming malarkey :) | 19:37 |
| ducasse | no, i want direct access to the metadata etc. it's the only sane way to do things, imo. :) | 19:38 |
| daftykins | yes that's what this allows | 19:39 |
| daftykins | the tags in the files which they're playing... | 19:39 |
| ducasse | exactly. i've heard so many good things about mpd, and it would integrate nicely into the rest of my (pretty weird) setup. | 19:40 |
| daftykins | that picoreplayer handles the 24/96 FLAC nicely, too | 19:42 |
| ducasse | daftykins: have you looked at beets? | 19:42 |
| daftykins | nah | 19:43 |
| ducasse | just looks like a tool i'd like :) | 19:43 |
| daftykins | mmm i'm very much in the latter stages of the library angle, mines fine already | 19:43 |
| daftykins | though i do check everything new i rip | 19:44 |
| ducasse | mine too, actually, but beets can do some small things that's be nice, like dl artwork, lyrics, generate playlists etc. a few small things i haven't done yet. | 19:45 |
| ducasse | at 400gb it's too much to manage by hand. | 19:46 |
| daftykins | mmm i've got something similar already | 19:46 |
| ducasse | i've still got a lot to rip, it's just not something i love spending time on... | 19:48 |
| daftykins | heh this 500GB WD blue laptop drive from my sandybridge asus laptop purchased ~2010/2011 is twice as quick as the 10,000RPM 3.5" i benchmarked earlier | 19:48 |
| daftykins | mmm, i just throw it on in the background on my file server, done a lot for my client | 19:48 |
| ducasse | hope you fleeced him :) | 19:50 |
| ducasse | well, getting too late for me - good night, all | 20:12 |
| daftykins | cya sir \o | 20:14 |
| daftykins | !find caja | 21:34 |
| ubot5 | Found: caja-dropbox, caja, caja-actions, caja-actions-common, caja-actions-dbg, caja-actions-dev, caja-common, caja-dbg, caja-extensions-common, caja-extensions-dbg (and 16 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=caja&searchon=names&suite=xenial§ion=all | 21:34 |
| daftykins | !info caja-dropbox | 21:34 |
| ubot5 | caja-dropbox (source: caja-dropbox): Dropbox integration for Caja. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.12.0-3 (xenial), package size 84 kB, installed size 274 kB (Only available for amd64; i386) | 21:34 |
| Bashing-om | !info wine | 22:09 |
| ubot5 | wine (source: wine1.6): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14 (xenial), package size 0 kB, installed size 6 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | 22:09 |
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