[05:16] Eyes are crossing, time to call it :( [10:44] unity7 low graphics mode, finally someone making improvements http://www.whizzy.org/2016/09/unity-7-low-graphics-mode/ [11:22] Hiyas all === dax_ is now known as dax [16:19] got me a a new ext hdd [16:19] ah the look of a fresh smart data :D [16:21] nothing like fresh bits that haven't been used before ;) [16:21] ^_^ [16:21] ducasse: yeah :) [16:21] \o [16:21] \o daftykins [16:22] isn't it crazy that disks don't even store binary though, but an analog wave form? [16:22] hey daftykins \o [16:22] *mind blown* [16:25] i guy on a mailing list used the term 'recycling' today in the context of cleaning up his disk, and i got this image in my mind of him cutting up bytes with a scissor and dropping the bits into the bit bucket for re-use. [16:26] _a_ guy, that is. [16:26] :D [16:27] they gotta be reused! [16:27] *clip* *plonk* *clip* *plonk* :) [16:28] btw EriC^^ - what kind of disk did you get? [16:28] ducasse: a seagate backup slim 2tb [16:29] it's a normal hdd [16:29] it vibrates like crazy though, compared to the older one i had, seagate expansion 500gb [16:29] http://www.seagate.com/gb/en/consumer/backup/backup-plus/ ooh [16:29] hmm put it on a sponge :D [16:29] that's the plus one i think, i got the smaller slim one [16:30] ever see that video of a guy in a data centre / server room, where shouting into a drive shows it slowing down? [16:30] it's very tiny, like 3/4 the size of the older 500gb one O.o and slimmer [16:30] i've seen those, small and practical for carrying around. i've had so many bad experiences with seagate, personally, although i hear they have gotten better. [16:30] oh yeah, the link the is correct [16:31] personally i love seagate, my old one lasted a good 7 years or so, and i've dropped it maybe 10 times or more [16:32] sure, my 'evidence' is all anecdotal. only have one seagate now, one of the dreaded 3tb barracudas, and it has been working for many years now :) [16:34] a friend is buying one of these old core 2 duo PCs i have, i put my old 150GB WD raptor HDD, one of those 10,000RPM suckers in it - oh my word the scratchiness from boot is insane [16:34] :) [16:34] proper trip down memory lane [16:34] shall i video it? :> [16:35] :D [16:39] daftykins: i had a 10.000rpm seagate cheetah scsi-ii disk maaaaany years ago, sounded like a jet when it spun up. [16:40] :> [16:40] it's hard to imagine there's a disk in my hdd spinning at 5400rpm or so [16:40] indeedy [16:40] i get really gentle when i deal with a laptop with a mechanical in now XD [16:41] love having solid state only, then i fling them around like they're nothing ^_^ [16:42] kinda feel like i should put in a better drive... [16:43] <3 ssd's, got two 850 evo's in my desktop. kind of regret not getting m2 instead, but... *shrug* [16:43] i've yet to experience a ssd [16:44] ! [16:44] EriC^^: once you do, you can never go back [16:44] :D [16:45] i've actually got too many, have three cheap 120gb ssd's that have been replaced. not sure what to do with them, maybe a new root mirror on the server. [16:45] post one to EriC^^ ;) [16:47] tonight i'm going to go try to take some nights pics of lebanon [16:47] maybe i will put this SSD i have in that white macbook in, then i can put a 40GB spare in there which is much more bearable for Linux - i don't think i'm ever going to sell that macbook because it's too rubbish now [16:48] yay pics \o/ [16:48] i got the nikon camera i wanted :D yesterday i went to take some pics at night and some security guy pulled over and told me i couldn't take pics from there cause it's a private area [16:49] lol, i was literally at the side of the road, but there's a gate to a still to-be-built resort/village kind of thing, pretty stupid [16:49] o0 sounds like a guy on a power trip [16:51] here on norway the most common security firm is often called 'the berry police'. :) [16:51] _in_ norway. [16:51] yeah, i think he was bored or something and thought some teens were parked on the side of the road making out or something :D [16:51] playing pokémon go [16:51] :D [16:53] anyone playing noman's sky? [16:54] i watched some twitch guys stream it, wow huge drama surround that one [16:54] yeah lots [16:55] saw one travel to the centre of the galaxy in the game to see the end... wow. [16:55] When did #ubuntu-discuss become #ubuntu-offtopic-v2 ? [16:55] i think they have a chance to improve it still, but oof [16:55] i haven't yet, i'm like mid journey or something [16:55] SonikkuAmerica: problem? [16:55] SonikkuAmerica: like 2 years ago or something, couldn't been before too :P [16:56] daftykins: Nah, not the biggest problem, just seems weird :P I thought this was on-topic Ubuntu-related discussion, is all [16:56] it becomes that when someone raises a relevant topic. [16:57] and honestly, there's a fair amount of on-topic discussion here too. just not right now :) [16:57] ^+1 [16:57] Oh [16:57] lol [16:57] we've kinda turned it into a volunteer chat base [16:57] cool [16:59] I'm kind of interested in discussing how the new Ubuntu core apps would work in an Xorg fallback situation as probably 90% of Ubuntu users will have to deal with (since Intel is not supporting Mir) [17:00] i don't even know where Mir is at right now, in regard to when it will become the norm [17:01] not sure what you mean by core apps either [17:01] I wish I had a machine to test Mir on, but all my stuff has Intel integrated graphics [17:02] i've decided to give mir a wide berth. could probably test it on my laptop, i just can't find any reason to. [17:02] Me too. I prefer Wayland [17:03] +1. more fragmentation when reinventing the linux desktop is Bad. [17:03] might work in a VM then? [17:03] daftykins: Haven't tried in a while, but I think I ran into a problem with VBox. Might try with VMware or KVM though [17:04] can't wait until we're no longer having to deal with the kind of rubbish X.org requires, i was dealing with xorg.conf modelines just yesterday - on the other hand, i won't have a clue how to support anyone in the future :D [17:04] yeah virtualbox is a mess in my experience [17:04] i'm sure the mir devs test on at least some vm platform. [17:04] i'd guess kvm. [17:05] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/ [17:05] you sure the intel no support thing is XMir and not Mir? [17:05] as usual with FOSS it's as clear as mud :> [17:05] Well, let's turn on the mud vision goggles and have a look [17:06] maybe that's why ubuntu was always brown... :D [17:07] Well, here's the Ars Technica article where it all started: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/ [17:07] that's the same link. [17:07] The idea is that Intel would not support Mir in xf86-video-intel (which we know as xserver-xorg-video-intel) [17:07] but they're saying XMir, not Mir [17:09] So it looks like Canonical will set up a way to get XMir running, but they're going to have to do that work in-house [17:09] when i read that, i see XMir as an intermediary half way house that's not necessary [17:09] kind of like how ArchLinux handles Intel microcode updates (as a separate initial ramdisk) [17:09] EriC^^: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlmolbvsh6idbgk/M.2-SSD_vs_150GB-WD-raptor.png?dl=0 [17:09] hilarious ^ [17:15] EriC^^: did you get the hp printer working? [17:19] might need more sacrifices :) [17:22] wave a chicken over it :) [17:23] headless, if necessary. [18:00] ducasse: nope [18:01] EriC^^: it won't show up if you scan for network printers? [18:01] wow daftykins that's pretty substantial when you put it side to side [18:01] ducasse: nope, it says no devices could be found [18:02] if i press print in gedit it can kind of see it, and says gathering information but hangs at that [18:03] interesting. everything seems to be good on the printer side of things? does it have a display/menu? [18:03] yup it's working fine [18:04] it says it needs the usb to be connected temporarily to set it up, then it can use the wireless [18:04] weird. thinking... [18:05] i guess it's using the typical printer usb b plug? [18:06] i think so [18:07] the almost square plug? [18:07] yup that's it [18:09] they're easy enough to find, but annoying to buy one to use for five minutes. [18:10] yeah [18:11] i'll give this a go http://askubuntu.com/questions/635753/hp-envy-4500-wifi-printer-not-found-using-wifi [18:12] connect it to the wlan and try to ping it [18:12] just entering the url was what i was thinking of too. [18:15] i've got an epson wifi printer where you just configure networking in the display, then it should be auto-discoverable. can't see why the pc would need to talk to it over a cable first. if so, the cable should be included. [18:17] hmm right now the printer is connected to the android phone [18:17] i'm tethering the internet from it for the pc [18:19] well, if there's anything you want me to check about how mine is configured i'll look, a lot of stuff should be the same although these are different makes. [18:20] thanks [18:21] it seems that the printer is 192.168.43.59 [18:21] same subnet as pc? [18:22] i think so [18:22] i did hp-setup then wireless/ethernet then advanced and put the printer's ip [18:22] seems to have found it [18:22] \o/ [18:23] yay! [18:23] now for a test page :D [18:26] awesome, it's working :) [18:26] goodie :) how's the print quality? [18:27] pretty decent [18:27] nice to see the gedit font on paper :D [18:27] :) [18:29] thinking of buying a hp laser, i'm fed up with inkjets. what they charge for the ink for mine is just laughable. [18:30] i've had the misfortune of setting up wireless printers like that, often there's a crazy button press combo to use WPS connections that's easy, otherwise yeah it can be hassle over a cable to begin to configure [18:31] i don't get why they can't just include the cable with the printer... [18:32] how much do the ink costs? [18:32] yeah, i was wondering the same thing, it's kind of silly [18:32] over £100 for all six cartridges. [18:32] yikes [18:33] that's about half of what the printer itself cost. [18:33] hehe [18:33] because they sell these £30 things that are destined for the landfill now, a cable would probably add a lot if you mass produce the machine [18:34] my last printer was back in 1998 when i first got a pc, so i'm looking at this one like it's a piece of magic right now [18:34] XD [18:34] * daftykins avoids them [18:34] i was just typing exactly that, daftykins [18:35] :) [18:36] i never really use them as well [18:36] back in the day i used to like to print guides and stuff and take them to the bathroom to read sometimes [18:37] now i just carry the laptop with me :D [18:37] XD [18:37] i get a lot of RSS feed news read in there ;) [18:38] i want a small tablet to use for reading docs and such. would be nice to have lying on the desk with reference books, etc. [18:53] btw EriC^^, if you have a use for a cheap kingston 120gb ssd i'd be happy to send you one. they've all been in use for about six months, after that they've mainly just been powered on. [19:07] i'm getting a new laptop next week that comes with a ssd, i appreciate the offer though :) [19:08] okidoke, let me know if you change your mind. they're just collecting dust :) [19:08] ok :) [19:09] i absolutely love solid-state storage. best thing to happen for computing in a long time :) [19:10] yup, can't wait to try it out! [19:11] i mean, with the speed of memory, system bus and cpu's these days, storage was really the bottleneck. [19:12] yeah [19:12] i wish they'd made bigger and faster cpu's for laptops soon [19:13] *make [19:13] wrong choice imo [19:13] i'd guess power is the main issue. [19:13] why [19:14] i'd rather have same speed more efficiency [19:14] than faster and same efficiency [19:14] haven't been CPU-bound in ages [19:14] i read the 2 core and 4 core basically use similar power [19:15] sounds kind of silly now that i think of it, but i read it somewhere :D [19:17] this laptop is just an old i3, but even that is plenty fast for much of what i do. [19:18] seems the power consumption is pretty higher on the i7 than i5 [19:19] like 30w vs 50w [19:19] desktop for performance, laptop for mobility and battery life - is my approach :) [19:19] +1 [19:21] they should make something like the mercedes 600 v12, it had a button that could use 6cylinders or 12cylinders [19:22] that would be pretty nice [19:22] you can get so-called 'DTR' laptops, desktop replacement, but they're a bit mad [19:22] i never understand how anyone that does IT work seriously can cope with owning just a laptop at home :D plenty around though [19:23] the first laptop i got was an i7 4 core, i didn't even know what i was buying, i thought it was like pentium 1 2 3 4, i3 i5 i7 [19:24] :D [19:24] so now i think if i get a 2 core it'll be slow or something [19:26] actually had a dual pentium ii-400 just around the time linux gained smp support, good times :) [19:26] not all i7s are even quad ;) [19:27] (in the mobile space) [19:27] quad + ht, right? [19:27] no some i7s are dual [19:27] oh, ok. [19:27] so you can never go by number - got to dig up the spec sheet on ark.intel.com :) [19:27] yup [19:28] i5 and i7 6500u are like 10% difference [19:28] lol a guy in #kodi just wanted to use it on a phone to share videos to a desktop "because i cba to get the cable" uuuuugh [19:28] some i5 are 4 core too [19:28] yarr [19:28] daftykins: cba? [19:28] can't be bothered, lazy [19:29] nothing beats the guy who wanted linux to turn on his light in the room [19:29] "i want to turn my pc on and have it turn the light on too, and turn it off when i shutdown" [19:30] "get an rpi" [19:30] i put two Pis in as network music streamers at a clients the other day, after having that test one at my place [19:31] synced up FLAC playback in 4 rooms from the basement file server :) all controlled by smartphone app [19:31] daftykins: what software? i want something similar. [19:32] picoreplayer on the devices and logitech media server on the file server [19:33] http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/index.php [19:33] ok, i'd probably just share the music over nfs, was thinking maybe mpd on the player(s) [19:34] these are great because pcp runs from RAM only after booting tinycore Linux, so no card corruption [19:34] at theirs i had to use analog, but i use HDMI audio into my AV receiver here [19:35] i'm married to the LMS software though because i own an actual squeezebox device [19:37] ah. i've never looked at it, i don't believe in streaming music. i prefer access to the actual files. [19:37] that's what i am doing, it's just coming from the file server on the LAN [19:37] i also do not touch any of this internet based streaming malarkey :) [19:38] no, i want direct access to the metadata etc. it's the only sane way to do things, imo. :) [19:39] yes that's what this allows [19:39] the tags in the files which they're playing... [19:40] exactly. i've heard so many good things about mpd, and it would integrate nicely into the rest of my (pretty weird) setup. [19:42] that picoreplayer handles the 24/96 FLAC nicely, too [19:42] daftykins: have you looked at beets? [19:43] nah [19:43] just looks like a tool i'd like :) [19:43] mmm i'm very much in the latter stages of the library angle, mines fine already [19:44] though i do check everything new i rip [19:45] mine too, actually, but beets can do some small things that's be nice, like dl artwork, lyrics, generate playlists etc. a few small things i haven't done yet. [19:46] at 400gb it's too much to manage by hand. [19:46] mmm i've got something similar already [19:48] i've still got a lot to rip, it's just not something i love spending time on... [19:48] heh this 500GB WD blue laptop drive from my sandybridge asus laptop purchased ~2010/2011 is twice as quick as the 10,000RPM 3.5" i benchmarked earlier [19:48] mmm, i just throw it on in the background on my file server, done a lot for my client [19:50] hope you fleeced him :) [20:12] well, getting too late for me - good night, all [20:14] cya sir \o [21:34] !find caja [21:34] Found: caja-dropbox, caja, caja-actions, caja-actions-common, caja-actions-dbg, caja-actions-dev, caja-common, caja-dbg, caja-extensions-common, caja-extensions-dbg (and 16 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=caja&searchon=names&suite=xenial§ion=all [21:34] !info caja-dropbox [21:34] caja-dropbox (source: caja-dropbox): Dropbox integration for Caja. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.12.0-3 (xenial), package size 84 kB, installed size 274 kB (Only available for amd64; i386) [22:09] !info wine [22:09] wine (source: wine1.6): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14 (xenial), package size 0 kB, installed size 6 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)