[05:16] <Bashing-om> Eyes are crossing, time to call it :(
[10:44] <OerHeks>  unity7 low graphics mode, finally someone making improvements http://www.whizzy.org/2016/09/unity-7-low-graphics-mode/
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:19] <EriC^^> got me a a new ext hdd
[16:19] <EriC^^> ah the look of a fresh smart data :D
[16:21] <ducasse> nothing like fresh bits that haven't been used before ;)
[16:21] <daftykins> ^_^
[16:21] <EriC^^> ducasse: yeah :)
[16:21] <daftykins> \o
[16:21] <ducasse> \o daftykins
[16:22] <daftykins> isn't it crazy that disks don't even store binary though, but an analog wave form?
[16:22] <EriC^^> hey daftykins \o
[16:22] <EriC^^> *mind blown*
[16:25] <ducasse> i guy on a mailing list used the term 'recycling' today in the context of cleaning up his disk, and i got this image in my mind of him cutting up bytes with a scissor and dropping the bits into the bit bucket for re-use.
[16:26] <ducasse> _a_ guy, that is.
[16:26] <daftykins> :D
[16:27] <daftykins> they gotta be reused!
[16:27] <ducasse> *clip* *plonk* *clip* *plonk* :)
[16:28] <ducasse> btw EriC^^ - what kind of disk did you get?
[16:28] <EriC^^> ducasse: a seagate backup slim 2tb
[16:29] <EriC^^> it's a normal hdd
[16:29] <EriC^^> it vibrates like crazy though, compared to the older one i had, seagate expansion 500gb
[16:29] <daftykins> http://www.seagate.com/gb/en/consumer/backup/backup-plus/ ooh
[16:29] <daftykins> hmm put it on a sponge :D
[16:29] <EriC^^> that's the plus one i think, i got the smaller slim one
[16:30] <daftykins> ever see that video of a guy in a data centre / server room, where shouting into a drive shows it slowing down?
[16:30] <EriC^^> it's very tiny, like 3/4 the size of the older 500gb one O.o and slimmer
[16:30] <ducasse> i've seen those, small and practical for carrying around. i've had so many bad experiences with seagate, personally, although i hear they have gotten better.
[16:30] <EriC^^> oh yeah, the link the is correct
[16:31] <EriC^^> personally i love seagate, my old one lasted a good 7 years or so, and i've dropped it maybe 10 times or more
[16:32] <ducasse> sure, my 'evidence' is all anecdotal. only have one seagate now, one of the dreaded 3tb barracudas, and it has been working for many years now :)
[16:34] <daftykins> a friend is buying one of these old core 2 duo PCs i have, i put my old 150GB WD raptor HDD, one of those 10,000RPM suckers in it - oh my word the scratchiness from boot is insane
[16:34] <EriC^^> :)
[16:34] <daftykins> proper trip down memory lane
[16:34] <daftykins> shall i video it? :>
[16:35] <EriC^^> :D
[16:39] <ducasse> daftykins: i had a 10.000rpm seagate cheetah scsi-ii disk maaaaany years ago, sounded like a jet when it spun up.
[16:40] <daftykins> :>
[16:40] <EriC^^> it's hard to imagine there's a disk in my hdd spinning at 5400rpm or so
[16:40] <daftykins> indeedy
[16:40] <daftykins> i get really gentle when i deal with a laptop with a mechanical in now XD
[16:41] <daftykins> love having solid state only, then i fling them around like they're nothing ^_^
[16:42] <daftykins> kinda feel like i should put in a better drive...
[16:43] <ducasse> <3 ssd's, got two 850 evo's in my desktop. kind of regret not getting m2 instead, but... *shrug*
[16:43] <EriC^^> i've yet to experience a ssd
[16:44] <daftykins> !
[16:44] <daftykins> EriC^^: once you do, you can never go back
[16:44] <EriC^^> :D
[16:45] <ducasse> i've actually got too many, have three cheap 120gb ssd's that have been replaced. not sure what to do with them, maybe a new root mirror on the server.
[16:45] <daftykins> post one to EriC^^ ;)
[16:47] <EriC^^> tonight i'm going to go try to take some nights pics of lebanon
[16:47] <daftykins> maybe i will put this SSD i have in that white macbook in, then i can put a 40GB spare in there which is much more bearable for Linux - i don't think i'm ever going to sell that macbook because it's too rubbish now
[16:48] <daftykins> yay pics \o/
[16:48] <EriC^^> i got the nikon camera i wanted :D yesterday i went to take some pics at night and some security guy pulled over and told me i couldn't take pics from there cause it's a private area
[16:49] <EriC^^> lol, i was literally at the side of the road, but there's a gate to a still to-be-built resort/village kind of thing, pretty stupid
[16:49] <daftykins> o0 sounds like a guy on a power trip
[16:51] <ducasse> here on norway the most common security firm is often called 'the berry police'. :)
[16:51] <ducasse> _in_ norway.
[16:51] <EriC^^> yeah, i think he was bored or something and thought some teens were parked on the side of the road making out or something :D
[16:51] <daftykins> playing pokémon go
[16:51] <EriC^^> :D
[16:53] <EriC^^> anyone playing noman's sky?
[16:54] <daftykins> i watched some twitch guys stream it, wow huge drama surround that one
[16:54] <EriC^^> yeah lots
[16:55] <daftykins> saw one travel to the centre of the galaxy in the game to see the end... wow.
[16:55] <SonikkuAmerica> When did #ubuntu-discuss become #ubuntu-offtopic-v2 ?
[16:55] <daftykins> i think they have a chance to improve it still, but oof
[16:55] <EriC^^> i haven't yet, i'm like mid journey or something
[16:55] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: problem?
[16:55] <EriC^^> SonikkuAmerica: like 2 years ago or something, couldn't been before too :P
[16:56] <SonikkuAmerica> daftykins: Nah, not the biggest problem, just seems weird :P I thought this was on-topic Ubuntu-related discussion, is all
[16:56] <daftykins> it becomes that when someone raises a relevant topic.
[16:57] <ducasse> and honestly, there's a fair amount of on-topic discussion here too. just not right now :)
[16:57] <daftykins> ^+1
[16:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh
[16:57] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[16:57] <daftykins> we've kinda turned it into a volunteer chat base
[16:57] <SonikkuAmerica> cool
[16:59] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm kind of interested in discussing how the new Ubuntu core apps would work in an Xorg fallback situation as probably 90% of Ubuntu users will have to deal with (since Intel is not supporting Mir)
[17:00] <daftykins> i don't even know where Mir is at right now, in regard to when it will become the norm
[17:01] <daftykins> not sure what you mean by core apps either
[17:01] <SonikkuAmerica> I wish I had a machine to test Mir on, but all my stuff has Intel integrated graphics
[17:02] <ducasse> i've decided to give mir a wide berth. could probably test it on my laptop, i just can't find any reason to.
[17:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Me too. I prefer Wayland
[17:03] <ducasse> +1. more fragmentation when reinventing the linux desktop is Bad.
[17:03] <daftykins> might work in a VM then?
[17:03] <SonikkuAmerica> daftykins: Haven't tried in a while, but I think I ran into a problem with VBox. Might try with VMware or KVM though
[17:04] <daftykins> can't wait until we're no longer having to deal with the kind of rubbish X.org requires, i was dealing with xorg.conf modelines just yesterday - on the other hand, i won't have a clue how to support anyone in the future :D
[17:04] <daftykins> yeah virtualbox is a mess in my experience
[17:04] <ducasse> i'm sure the mir devs test on at least some vm platform.
[17:04] <ducasse> i'd guess kvm.
[17:05] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/
[17:05] <daftykins> you sure the intel no support thing is XMir and not Mir?
[17:05] <daftykins> as usual with FOSS it's as clear as mud :>
[17:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, let's turn on the mud vision goggles and have a look
[17:06] <daftykins> maybe that's why ubuntu was always brown... :D
[17:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, here's the Ars Technica article where it all started: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/
[17:07] <daftykins> that's the same link.
[17:07] <SonikkuAmerica> The idea is that Intel would not support Mir in xf86-video-intel (which we know as xserver-xorg-video-intel)
[17:07] <daftykins> but they're saying XMir, not Mir
[17:09] <SonikkuAmerica> So it looks like Canonical will set up a way to get XMir running, but they're going to have to do that work in-house
[17:09] <daftykins> when i read that, i see XMir as an intermediary half way house that's not necessary
[17:09] <SonikkuAmerica> kind of like how ArchLinux handles Intel microcode updates (as a separate initial ramdisk)
[17:09] <daftykins> EriC^^: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlmolbvsh6idbgk/M.2-SSD_vs_150GB-WD-raptor.png?dl=0
[17:09] <daftykins> hilarious ^
[17:15] <ducasse> EriC^^: did you get the hp printer working?
[17:19] <daftykins> might need more sacrifices :)
[17:22] <ducasse> wave a chicken over it :)
[17:23] <ducasse> headless, if necessary.
[18:00] <EriC^^> ducasse: nope
[18:01] <ducasse> EriC^^: it won't show up if you scan for network printers?
[18:01] <EriC^^> wow daftykins that's pretty substantial when you put it side to side
[18:01] <EriC^^> ducasse: nope, it says no devices could be found
[18:02] <EriC^^> if i press print in gedit it can kind of see it, and says gathering information but hangs at that
[18:03] <ducasse> interesting. everything seems to be good on the printer side of things? does it have a display/menu?
[18:03] <EriC^^> yup it's working fine
[18:04] <EriC^^> it says it needs the usb to be connected temporarily to set it up, then it can use the wireless
[18:04] <ducasse> weird. thinking...
[18:05] <ducasse> i guess it's using the typical printer usb b plug?
[18:06] <EriC^^> i think so
[18:07] <ducasse> the almost square plug?
[18:07] <EriC^^> yup that's it
[18:09] <ducasse> they're easy enough to find, but annoying to buy one to use for five minutes.
[18:10] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:11] <EriC^^> i'll give this a go http://askubuntu.com/questions/635753/hp-envy-4500-wifi-printer-not-found-using-wifi
[18:12] <EriC^^> connect it to the wlan and try to ping it
[18:12] <ducasse> just entering the url was what i was thinking of too.
[18:15] <ducasse> i've got an epson wifi printer where you just configure networking in the display, then it should be auto-discoverable. can't see why the pc would need to talk to it over a cable first. if so, the cable should be included.
[18:17] <EriC^^> hmm right now the printer is connected to the android phone
[18:17] <EriC^^> i'm tethering the internet from it for the pc
[18:19] <ducasse> well, if there's anything you want me to check about how mine is configured i'll look, a lot of stuff should be the same although these are different makes.
[18:20] <EriC^^> thanks
[18:21] <EriC^^> it seems that the printer is 192.168.43.59
[18:21] <ducasse> same subnet as pc?
[18:22] <EriC^^> i think so
[18:22] <EriC^^> i did hp-setup then wireless/ethernet then advanced and put the printer's ip
[18:22] <EriC^^> seems to have found it
[18:22] <ducasse> \o/
[18:23] <EriC^^> yay!
[18:23] <EriC^^> now for a test page :D
[18:26] <EriC^^> awesome, it's working :)
[18:26] <ducasse> goodie :) how's the print quality?
[18:27] <EriC^^> pretty decent
[18:27] <EriC^^> nice to see the gedit font on paper :D
[18:27] <ducasse> :)
[18:29] <ducasse> thinking of buying a hp laser, i'm fed up with inkjets. what they charge for the ink for mine is just laughable.
[18:30] <daftykins> i've had the misfortune of setting up wireless printers like that, often there's a crazy button press combo to use WPS connections that's easy, otherwise yeah it can be hassle over a cable to begin to configure
[18:31] <ducasse> i don't get why they can't just include the cable with the printer...
[18:32] <EriC^^> how much do the ink costs?
[18:32] <EriC^^> yeah, i was wondering the same thing, it's kind of silly
[18:32] <ducasse> over £100 for all six cartridges.
[18:32] <EriC^^> yikes
[18:33] <ducasse> that's about half of what the printer itself cost.
[18:33] <EriC^^> hehe
[18:33] <daftykins> because they sell these £30 things that are destined for the landfill now, a cable would probably add a lot if you mass produce the machine
[18:34] <EriC^^> my last printer was back in 1998 when i first got a pc, so i'm looking at this one like it's a piece of magic right now
[18:34] <daftykins> XD
[18:34]  * daftykins avoids them
[18:34] <ducasse> i was just typing exactly that, daftykins
[18:35] <ducasse> :)
[18:36] <EriC^^> i never really use them as well
[18:36] <EriC^^> back in the day i used to like to print guides and stuff and take them to the bathroom to read sometimes
[18:37] <EriC^^> now i just carry the laptop with me :D
[18:37] <daftykins> XD
[18:37] <daftykins> i get a lot of RSS feed news read in there ;)
[18:38] <ducasse> i want a small tablet to use for reading docs and such. would be nice to have lying on the desk with reference books, etc.
[18:53] <ducasse> btw EriC^^, if you have a use for a cheap kingston 120gb ssd i'd be happy to send you one. they've all been in use for about six months, after that they've mainly just been powered on.
[19:07] <EriC^^> i'm getting a new laptop next week that comes with a ssd, i appreciate the offer though :)
[19:08] <ducasse> okidoke, let me know if you change your mind. they're just collecting dust :)
[19:08] <EriC^^> ok :)
[19:09] <ducasse> i absolutely love solid-state storage. best thing to happen for computing in a long time :)
[19:10] <EriC^^> yup, can't wait to try it out!
[19:11] <ducasse> i mean, with the speed of memory, system bus and cpu's these days, storage was really the bottleneck.
[19:12] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:12] <EriC^^> i wish they'd made bigger and faster cpu's for laptops soon
[19:13] <EriC^^> *make
[19:13] <daftykins> wrong choice imo
[19:13] <ducasse> i'd guess power is the main issue.
[19:13] <EriC^^> why
[19:14] <dax> i'd rather have same speed more efficiency
[19:14] <dax> than faster and same efficiency
[19:14] <dax> haven't been CPU-bound in ages
[19:14] <EriC^^> i read the 2 core and 4 core basically use similar power
[19:15] <EriC^^> sounds kind of silly now that i think of it, but i read it somewhere :D
[19:17] <ducasse> this laptop is just an old i3, but even that is plenty fast for much of what i do.
[19:18] <EriC^^> seems the power consumption is pretty higher on the i7 than i5
[19:19] <EriC^^> like 30w vs 50w
[19:19] <daftykins> desktop for performance, laptop for mobility and battery life - is my approach :)
[19:19] <ducasse> +1
[19:21] <EriC^^> they should make something like the mercedes 600 v12, it had a button that could use 6cylinders or 12cylinders
[19:22] <EriC^^> that would be pretty nice
[19:22] <daftykins> you can get so-called 'DTR' laptops, desktop replacement, but they're a bit mad
[19:22] <daftykins> i never understand how anyone that does IT work seriously can cope with owning just a laptop at home :D plenty around though
[19:23] <EriC^^> the first laptop i got was an i7 4 core, i didn't even know what i was buying, i thought it was like pentium 1 2 3 4, i3 i5 i7
[19:24] <daftykins> :D
[19:24] <EriC^^> so now i think if i get a 2 core it'll be slow or something
[19:26] <ducasse> actually had a dual pentium ii-400 just around the time linux gained smp support, good times :)
[19:26] <daftykins> not all i7s are even quad ;)
[19:27] <daftykins> (in the mobile space)
[19:27] <ducasse> quad + ht, right?
[19:27] <daftykins> no some i7s are dual
[19:27] <ducasse> oh, ok.
[19:27] <daftykins> so you can never go by number - got to dig up the spec sheet on ark.intel.com :)
[19:27] <EriC^^> yup
[19:28] <EriC^^> i5 and i7 6500u are like 10% difference
[19:28] <daftykins> lol a guy in #kodi just wanted to use it on a phone to share videos to a desktop "because i cba to get the cable" uuuuugh
[19:28] <EriC^^> some i5 are 4 core too
[19:28] <daftykins> yarr
[19:28] <ducasse> daftykins: cba?
[19:28] <daftykins> can't be bothered, lazy
[19:29] <EriC^^> nothing beats the guy who wanted linux to turn on his light in the room
[19:29] <EriC^^> "i want to turn my pc on and have it turn the light on too, and turn it off when i shutdown"
[19:30] <ducasse> "get an rpi"
[19:30] <daftykins> i put two Pis in as network music streamers at a clients the other day, after having that test one at my place
[19:31] <daftykins> synced up FLAC playback in 4 rooms from the basement file server :) all controlled by smartphone app
[19:31] <ducasse> daftykins: what software? i want something similar.
[19:32] <daftykins> picoreplayer on the devices and logitech media server on the file server
[19:33] <daftykins> http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/index.php
[19:33] <ducasse> ok, i'd probably just share the music over nfs, was thinking maybe mpd on the player(s)
[19:34] <daftykins> these are great because pcp runs from RAM only after booting tinycore Linux, so no card corruption
[19:34] <daftykins> at theirs i had to use analog, but i use HDMI audio into my AV receiver here
[19:35] <daftykins> i'm married to the LMS software though because i own an actual squeezebox device
[19:37] <ducasse> ah. i've never looked at it, i don't believe in streaming music. i prefer access to the actual files.
[19:37] <daftykins> that's what i am doing, it's just coming from the file server on the LAN
[19:37] <daftykins> i also do not touch any of this internet based streaming malarkey :)
[19:38] <ducasse> no, i want direct access to the metadata etc. it's the only sane way to do things, imo. :)
[19:39] <daftykins> yes that's what this allows
[19:39] <daftykins> the tags in the files which they're playing...
[19:40] <ducasse> exactly. i've heard so many good things about mpd, and it would integrate nicely into the rest of my (pretty weird) setup.
[19:42] <daftykins> that picoreplayer handles the 24/96 FLAC nicely, too
[19:42] <ducasse> daftykins: have you looked at beets?
[19:43] <daftykins> nah
[19:43] <ducasse> just looks like a tool i'd like :)
[19:43] <daftykins> mmm i'm very much in the latter stages of the library angle, mines fine already
[19:44] <daftykins> though i do check everything new i rip
[19:45] <ducasse> mine too, actually, but beets can do some small things that's be nice, like dl artwork, lyrics, generate playlists etc. a few small things i haven't done yet.
[19:46] <ducasse> at 400gb it's too much to manage by hand.
[19:46] <daftykins> mmm i've got something similar already
[19:48] <ducasse> i've still got a lot to rip, it's just not something i love spending time on...
[19:48] <daftykins> heh this 500GB WD blue laptop drive from my sandybridge asus laptop purchased ~2010/2011 is twice as quick as the 10,000RPM 3.5" i benchmarked earlier
[19:48] <daftykins> mmm, i just throw it on in the background on my file server, done a lot for my client
[19:50] <ducasse> hope you fleeced him :)
[20:12] <ducasse> well, getting too late for me - good night, all
[20:14] <daftykins> cya sir \o
[21:34] <daftykins> !find caja
[21:34] <daftykins> !info caja-dropbox
[22:09] <Bashing-om> !info wine