[06:43] <racism> Mister_Q: hello
[06:43] <racism> Observe the /topic
[06:43] <racism> !ops
[06:48] <OerHeks> ogra, plz reverse the topic, i have no example
[06:48] <racism> OerHeks: lol
[06:48] <racism> scroll up
[06:48] <OerHeks> we'll deal with you later, racism
[06:48] <racism> to whenever it was last changes ir u joined
[06:48] <duflu> It was...
[06:48] <duflu> https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10
[06:48] <duflu> Oops
[06:48] <duflu> Hmm
[06:49] <pitti> ogra: oh dear, danke
[06:49] <OerHeks> ty
[06:49] <pitti> OerHeks: not just kick, please ban
[06:49] <pitti> sorry, ogra ^
[06:49] <pitti> he was already here yesterday
[06:49] <Mister_Q> morning ogra o/
[06:49] <ogra> pitti, i banned first
[06:50] <pitti> ogra: please kickban him from #u-devel too
[06:50] <ogra> i cant
[06:50] <ogra> not an op there
[06:50] <pitti> oh, too bad; so needs cjwatson or Unit193
[06:50] <pitti> all the other folks in !ops have left long ago :(
[06:50] <duflu> Does kick/ban work by user ID or IP too?
[06:51] <ogra> well, freenode staff can do it too
[06:51] <pitti> ok, let's just stay quiet then to not feed him further
[06:51] <duflu> Aaaaand morning pitti, ogra, Europe
[06:51] <pitti> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:51] <duflu> pitti: Good, you?
[06:52] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[06:56] <krowv> Just posted to the mailing list, pasting link here in case anyone has ideas:  https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22174.html
[06:58] <learnbsd> krowv: well so you're in the bootloader...fastboot over the recovery, system image, boot.img, and etc you want to try
[06:59] <krowv> learnbsd: none of the fastboot commands seem to “see” anything
[07:00] <learnbsd> hmm
[07:00] <learnbsd> check heimdall?
[07:00] <learnbsd> yeah that'd be it...most samsungs use heimdall (oss odin) instead of fastboot
[07:01] <krowv> how to I check heimdall?
[07:01] <learnbsd> you can flash partitions separately, change the pit, backup, etc from there
[07:01] <learnbsd> uhm install it (it's in the aur for arch idk about other distrobutions)
[07:01] <krowv> ok, looks like a different toolset.  heimdall-flash?
[07:01] <learnbsd> and click check device.
[07:02] <learnbsd> yeah there's a gui one too again its in the aur
[07:03] <krowv> yeah, looks like ubuntu 16.04 has a gui frontend as well
[07:03] <learnbsd> there you go :)
[07:03] <learnbsd> ought to get you started at least..i'm off to bed it's 2am.
[07:03] <learnbsd> good luck
[07:04] <krowv> ok, gives me a new direction to look
[07:04] <krowv> thanks
[07:26] <racism> ogra: lol
[07:26] <racism> i'm back
[07:28] <duflu> pitty: ^
[07:28] <duflu> pitti: ^^
[07:28] <OerHeks> He must be so lonely.
[07:29] <pitti> ogra: kickban and +t ?
[07:30] <popey> thanks k1l
[07:51] <learnbsd> hi popey
[07:51] <popey> hello learnbsd
[07:52] <learnbsd> did you ever get the 64gb meizu pro 5 android working?
[07:52] <learnbsd> i wouldn't get lte on it here in the usa but still considering getting one
[07:53] <learnbsd> bought a nexus 5 and 4 (oddly enough they're the same damn price somehow) for now anyway not in a hurry ...but it still looks nice
[07:54] <popey> not me personally, I don't own one
[07:54] <popey> learnbsd: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103449842981186239877/posts/RBDbK82Lt83
[07:55] <learnbsd> yeah thought he said in unplugged wasn't sure if it'd work on the 64gb one...but said it should
[07:56] <learnbsd> 'll try on my nexus 4 and 5 when they get here and keep my oneplus on CM for now as my main phone
[07:57] <learnbsd> depending how that gous i'll buy one of the pro 5's and find out.  Thanks
[08:41] <ondra> divis1969 john-mcaleely no back online, only had yesterday off
[09:01] <robinhero> Hi! My ssh connections disconnect if I change from terminal to an other running app. Is there a way to change this behaviour?
[09:07] <duflu> Hmm, I recall other people mentioning that bug. I think it's due to the phone SIGSTOP'ing background apps. Don't remember if there was a solution
[09:19] <popey> robinhero: duflu you can install tweak tool from the open store (open.uappexplorer.com) which lets you set the flag on apps to not die, works perfectly
[09:20] <duflu> popey: Cool, but I wonder why U8 (and U7 for some things) need tweak tools. Seems like it's always something that should be a standard setting
[09:20] <popey> ask tvoss :)
[09:24] <duflu> Same issue with discoverability of apps actually in Unity 7. We're not doing enough to sell the idea of the platform to the user without them being committed already to wanting to hack things
[09:25] <mcphail> It would be interesting to see a build for the phone without the SIGSTOPs. I wonder if it would be more or less usable?
[09:26] <duflu> mcphail: I wouldn't encourage it. With enough concerns about performance we don't want to do something that definitely hurts performance
[09:26] <duflu> and battery
[09:29] <mcphail> duflu: I still get a day's worth of battery if I leave an app running in the background. OK, 1 day is less than 5, but I'd rather have 1 day of function than 5 days of nothing
[09:30] <duflu> I mean I support users being allowed to do whatever they want. But power savings should be enabled by default for a phone
[09:31] <mcphail> duflu: to such extremes?
[09:32] <duflu> Yes, I think it's reasonable. Not extreme
[09:33] <mcphail> duflu: Well, the chosen balance bemuses me and many others. The lack of background app support is a major issue
[09:34] <mcphail> Most people are used to charging their phones daily, these days
[09:34] <duflu> mcphail: Oh yes in that way I agree it's extreme to not give the user the option. Not extreme to default to power saving
[09:34] <mcphail> duflu: well, all the user sees is the default experience is broken
[09:35] <duflu> Incidentally, I use ssh on chromebooks and it always survives the chromebook being asleep. It should be possible to avoid disconnect
[09:35] <ogra> robinhero, fg ssh
[09:35] <ogra> it doesnt get killed
[09:36] <ogra> it gets put into bg
[09:36] <ogra> so just a simple fg shoujld get you the session back
[09:36] <duflu> ogra: We're talking about blocking SIGSTOP I think
[09:37] <ogra> well, he was asking about his ssh connection :)
[09:37] <ogra> it keeps running but gets backgrounded
[09:38] <duflu> ogra: I believe the SIGSTOP applies to the whole process group. Backgrounding is not a workaround. But ssh should be able to survive being frozen. So we shouldn't need to stop using SIGSTOP
[09:38] <ogra> i didnt say its a workaround, i say that is what happens :)
[09:39] <ogra> if you bring the terminal into focus and run a new ssh each time you end up with a ton of backgrounded ssh's
[09:40] <ogra> if the terminal gets unfocused it calls "bg $whatever_process_is_running"
[09:42] <ogra> i'm not saying we shouldnt exclude the terminal by default from suspending (which is a trivialö addition to a gsettings key btw)
[09:44] <ogra> gsettings get com.canonical.qtmir lifecycle-exempt-appids
[09:44] <ogra> just add 'com.ubuntu.terminal' to the list using gsettings set ... and it wont get suspended when unfocused
[09:49] <popey> jgdx: my pro 5 is running 171 according to system-image-cli, but system settings has an update for 170 in the list, and refuses to install it (unsurprisingly).
[09:49] <popey> jgdx: wondering how my phone could have got in this mess?
[09:50] <popey> system-image-cli -n, says I'm "already up to date"
[09:50] <popey> I assume 171 is the latest for the pro 5 in rc-proposed
[09:50]  * ogra is on 171
[09:50] <jgdx> i think we're at 172, but yes, it's weird
[09:50]  * popey reboots
[09:50] <jgdx> bbbbbut
[09:51] <popey> I had a boot loop yesterday, restarted and 171 magically appeared
[09:51] <popey> well, unity8 crash loop, not a boot loop
[09:51] <jgdx> popey, you could ship me your update .db
[09:51] <popey> okay
[09:51] <popey> where is that?
[09:51] <jgdx> popey, .local/share/ubuntu-system-settings/updatestore.db
[09:52] <popey> is it okay to share publicly?
[09:52] <jgdx> also, if visiting the updates panel doesn't take care of marking 170 as installed, please send me .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log as well
[09:52] <jgdx> popey, i'd rather you not
[09:52] <popey> ok
[09:54] <popey> jgdx: sent
[09:54] <jgdx> popey, thanks!
[09:56] <jgdx> popey, looks nominal, let me know what happens after the reboot. Thank you
[09:57] <duflu> popey: :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1578469
[10:15] <popey> jgdx: http://imgur.com/a/GN38w still offering me 170
[10:15] <jgdx> popey, could you go to About -> Check for updates?
[10:16] <popey> same
[10:23] <jgdx> popey, could you file a bug?
[10:25] <popey> sure thing
[10:27] <Saviq> mardy, hey, when trying to add a U1 account on my laptop (xenial+overlay) I'm getting a header "Ubuntu One" and blank below, that known?
[10:27] <Saviq> confirmed on u7 and u8
[10:29] <jgdx> popey, so weird though, how did you apply 171?
[10:36] <jgdx> popey, and you can just nuke your updatedb if you want that thing gone
[10:41] <popey> jgdx: i applied 171 just via u-s-s
[10:42] <jgdx> popey, okay
[10:42] <popey> nuked the db
[10:42] <popey> it now says "up to date"
[10:55] <jgdx> popey, has your upgrades the last two weeks been linear? You've gone from 168, 169, …, 171?
[10:55] <popey> jgdx: i may have skipped one of two, but I didnt go backwards
[10:55] <popey> s/of/or/
[10:56] <jgdx> popey, okay, thank yo
[10:56] <jgdx> y
[11:06] <Elleo> popey: https://asteroidos.org/ <-- libhybris based OS on smartwatches. Would it be wrong to grab one and make an ubuntu watch...
[11:12] <popey> Elleo: wow
[11:12] <Elleo> popey: I know it'd be a waste of time and money, but I'm super tempted :P
[11:12] <popey> haha :)
[11:13] <popey> problem is I like the pebble so much that any other device (with poor battery life) will be a step down
[11:14] <popey> even if you can run "top" on it :)
[11:16] <jgdx> popey, did you intentionally mark bug 1619605 as private? I can't access it
[11:16] <popey> jgdx: oh, sorry
[11:18] <popey> just subscribed you, so you should see it now?
[11:18] <Elleo> popey: yeah, I'd kind of like something with a heartrate monitor though; but might just wait for the new pebbles assuming they'll still be rockwork compatible
[11:19] <popey> they should be
[11:19] <Elleo> good
[11:19] <popey> I backed the new pebble on kickstater
[11:19] <mardy> Saviq: hi! yes, but I'm not sure if there's a bug already
[11:19]  * mardy looks
[11:20] <jgdx> popey, thanks
[11:20] <mardy> Saviq: no bug yet; if other plugins work, I would tend to blame ubuntuone-credentials
[11:30] <Saviq> mardy, ack
[12:54] <linmob> popey: Which Pebble do you have right now (if any, but iirc you've got one)?
[12:56] <brunch875> what the hell
[12:56]  * linmob updated his Pebble Time Steel yesterday using Rockwork. Worked flawlessly.
[12:56] <brunch875> I had no idea what pebble was so I just launched google and started typing "kickstarter"
[12:56] <brunch875> it autocompleted with pebble
[12:56]  * brunch875 is scared
[12:56] <popey> linmob: PT
[12:57] <linmob> popey: Nice. How do you like the new 4.0 software?
[12:57] <popey> dunno, mine is broken
[12:58] <linmob> popey: That is sad.
[12:58] <popey> yeah
[12:58] <popey> cover came off
[12:58] <popey> need to stick it back on, but I have no padding to do that
[12:59] <linmob> ouch.
[13:00] <linmob> Where to help with translations, btw?
[13:00] <popey> translations of?
[13:01] <linmob> Well, the new parts in rc.proposed that still need a translation to German :)
[13:09] <linmob> (In a recent Landing Team post on the ubuntu-phone team ML it was mentioned that translations needed review. I am a lousy programmer, but working as an editor and being an avid user of ubuntu phone I felt that might be able to contribute.)
[13:12] <popey> Ah excellent.
[13:12] <popey> dpm: is your translation page still working?
[13:12] <popey> dpm: or do we need to move it somewhere else? (Happy to take a look)
[13:29] <dpm> popey, I've not looked at it in a while, let me check
[14:16] <autra> hi :-) Can someone help me diagnose what's wrong with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1610650 ?
[14:19] <autra> more generally, I can't clone anything from https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com...
[14:20] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, any idea
[14:21] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, autra, I suspect the server is just dead, and needs a kick. What error do you get when cloning?
[14:22] <autra> john-mcaleely, I have the same feeling, the error is : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1610650/comments/3
[14:22] <john-mcaleely> ah, yes, 503 unavailable
[14:22] <autra> it happens after hanging a while on "* upload completely sent off: 774 out of 774 bytes" (with all the trace activated in git I can think of)
[14:22] <john-mcaleely> that's the symptom of needing a kick
[14:23] <autra> yep :-)
[14:23] <john-mcaleely> I'll get that done. may take a while to track down a suitable operator
[14:23] <autra> awesome, thanks!
[14:24] <autra> john-mcaleely, the servers seem to have been down for a month... How is this possible? Is everybody affected then?
[14:25] <john-mcaleely> I did not think it was that bad. They do seem to die quite regularly though
[14:26] <autra> I may have been (really) unlucky then :-D
[14:26] <john-mcaleely> it might be worth a thread on ubuntu-phone@ to see how widely people are affected
[14:37] <autra> if i'm not mistaken, the bug has been posted there, but no one really answered... That's why I wasn't sure it was a server issue...
[14:52] <john-mcaleely> autra, it seems the server should be fine now
[14:52] <john-mcaleely> catch it while it's happy :-)
[14:56] <autra> john-mcaleely, awesome! Thanks :-)
[14:56]  * autra is cloning :-)
[14:57] <john-mcaleely> great!
[14:57] <john-mcaleely> probably best to ping here rather than that bug in future
[14:57] <autra> yep, ok, will do!
[22:11] <dicius> Hi guys, I would like to port touch to my pmp7280c3G_quad tablet... Is that possible?
[22:12] <k1l_> Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[22:13] <k1l_> its possible if the device has an open bootloader and if there are drivers around
[22:13] <dicius> @kill -> I am a noob in this, so how can I find out? :)
[22:14] <k1l_> uhh, you need some deeper technical knowledge to make a port.
[22:16] <dicius> where can I get it? :)
[22:18] <dicius> I found out that an android firmware is available for download for the tablet... and I have already booted my device...
[22:18] <dicius> * rooted :D
[22:29] <dicius> @k1l_ -> or is there some generic port that I can use?
[22:36] <dicius> also, do you think this can work?
[22:36] <dicius> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2587823