[00:30] <logical> Hi, is it possible to make libreoffice writer look like WPS writer, since in my opinnion it has a better theme
[01:35] <logical> So anyone here likes bodybuilding
[01:37] <logical> Ubuntu mate helped me to do a nice benchpress today
[03:29] <sonyayahab> hello
[03:29] <sonyayahab> thank u
[03:30] <sonyayahab> can i ask?
[03:41] <logical> yes
[03:42] <logical> Hi, sonyayahab just ask, don't know if I can help tho I am new at mate too
[03:43] <logical> also if you want to ask something and there is no one to answer just ask the question and leave your email and someone will help you :)
[10:47] <gerald__> moin
[12:11] <hi> hi
[12:12] <Guest87693> hey i want to record my desktop what can i do
[12:13] <olscumpy> I am really having a hard time switching to mate; I've wasted 4 dvd-r (which are very cheap admittedly) burning the image, but it's not coming out bootable
[12:15] <Guest87693> mmm
[12:15] <Guest87693> i can solve it
[12:15] <Guest87693> just tell
[12:15] <bekks> olscumpy: So did you compare the checksum of the iso with the checksum before burning it?
[12:15] <Guest87693> me your os
[12:15] <Guest87693> tell me your os
[12:16] <Guest87693> olscumpy
[12:16] <Akuli> Guest87693, install kazam and use it
[12:16] <Guest87693> what are you saying akuli
[12:16] <Akuli> kazam is a tool for recording your desktop if thats what you want to do
[12:16] <Guest87693> ohk
[12:17] <bekks> Guest87693: Install "RecordMyDesktop":
[12:17] <bekks> And just record your desktop.
[12:17] <olscumpy> slow down, jeez guest. should I pick something other than "autodetect" for image type? on here http://i.imgur.com/E3ORA5B.png
[12:17] <Guest87693> if your system is ubuntu follow me
[12:17] <Akuli> bekks, i used to be happy with it but i think there was something in kazam that made me move to it
[12:17] <bekks> olscumpy: Select "ISO9660".
[12:17] <olscumpy> I'm on linux mint, my options are iso9660, readcd, cue, cdrdao, and autodetect
[12:18] <Guest87693> is there an option for create a startup disk
[12:18] <Akuli> i think brasero knows how to autodetect it
[12:18] <Guest87693> <:
[12:18] <Guest87693> olscumpy
[12:19] <Guest87693> thanks bekks
[12:19] <Guest87693> and akuli
[12:20] <Guest87693> go to the menu and type [12:20] <Guest87693> and there should be an option called create startup disk
[12:20] <Guest87693> , click it
[12:20] <Akuli> olscumpy, i'd probably use a usb stick for installing distros
[12:20] <olscumpy> ok, I'll try that. autodetect has not been working out. "startup disk creator" is on here but it's for usb sticks and that hasn't worked for me either, it starts to boot then says os not found
[12:21] <olscumpy> on the stick
[12:21] <Akuli> how old is the computer you're installing on?
[12:21] <Guest87693> have you selected your os
[12:21] <Akuli> some computers more than 10 years old don't boot from usb sticks
[12:22] <olscumpy> actually the first time, I forgot to erase the stick, so it was fine booting on the stick to Lakka, it's a bootable console emulator
[12:22] <olscumpy> not sure how old it is, but I think it came with win 7 at one point
[12:23] <bekks> olscumpy: so you are creating a stick?
[12:23] <Guest87693> see i installed ubuntu-mate from ubuntu and it had the option for startup disk creator , i selected the iso and my pen drive / flash drive which i had to make bootable
[12:23] <bekks> olscumpy: You dont need no other tools rather tahn dd for creating a bootable stick.
[12:23] <olscumpy> no, just trying to reply to the attempts for helpful advice. I'm burning as "iso9660" as we speak
[12:23] <Akuli> bekks, actually, plain cp is enough
[12:24] <Guest87693> and then i restarted and selected to boot from my pen drive and the booted into the setup
[12:24] <Akuli> probably not a good idea, but it works
[12:24] <bekks> Akuli: Ir is enough but it takes ages.
[12:24] <bekks> *it
[12:25] <olscumpy> what's dd? I started it in terminal and it didn't show anything
[12:25] <Guest87693> listen olscumpy
[12:25] <olscumpy> ^z out for now
[12:25] <Guest87693> install unetbootin
[12:25] <Guest87693> by typing
[12:25] <bekks> Guest87693: Can you please stop interfering all the time? Thank you.
[12:25] <Akuli> Guest87693, unetbootin is awful
[12:25] <bekks> olscumpy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[12:26] <Akuli> olscumpy, actually, ^z doesn't stop it. it just halts it and you can then type fg to get back to it
[12:26] <Guest87693> hey bekks it's a long process
[12:26] <Akuli> so type fg, and then ^C to get out of dd
[12:26] <Akuli> Guest87693, one command on the terminal and you're done.
[12:26] <olscumpy> I will try that method of flash drive when this finishes burning, thank you
[12:26] <olscumpy> never hurts to have an alternative
[12:26] <bekks> Guest87693: It is a process taking a few minutes only. So please stop interfering.
[12:27] <bekks> And stop your unasked unwanted queries.
[12:27] <Akuli> sudo dd if=/some/path/2/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/yourstick
[12:27] <Akuli> and its done
[12:27] <Guest87693> hahahahahah
[12:27] <Guest87693> a
[12:28] <Guest87693> LOL
[12:30] <Guest87693> MMMM
[12:30] <Guest87693> you can download poweriso for linux
[12:30] <Guest87693> from
[12:30] <bekks> No need for crap like that.
[12:30] <Guest87693> http://www.poweriso.com/download.php here
[12:31] <Akuli> ew
[12:31] <bekks> Guest87693: If you cant help, please dont help. Thank you.
[12:31] <Guest87693> go to tools select create bootable usb
[12:32] <bekks> Guest87693: Stop your unasked unwanted queries. Last warning.
[12:32] <Guest87693> olscumpy i'm not asking you to follow me only , you can follow others too
[12:32] <Guest87693> sorry bekks
[12:33] <bekks> Guest87693: You missed your chance. *plonk*
[12:33] <Guest87693> Hun????
[12:35] <Guest87693> hahaha bekks
[12:36] <olscumpy> dd: failed to open ‘dev/sdb’: No such file or directory
[12:36] <Guest87693> bekk wood pekk
[12:36] <olscumpy> should I have it mounted or not?
[12:36] <Guest87693> ya
[12:36] <Guest87693> you can do that by
[12:36] <Guest87693> sudo su
[12:37] <Guest87693> mkdir /media/"any name here"
[12:37] <Guest87693> to make a directory
[12:37] <Guest87693> and
[12:38] <Akuli> olscumpy, don't listen to Guest87693
[12:38] <Akuli> just awful advice
[12:38] <Guest87693> mount /dev/sdb /media/"the name you typed"
[12:38] <bekks> You should nit have it mounted, and apparently you dont have sdb.
[12:38] <bekks> *not
[12:38] <Guest87693> akuli ignored
[12:38] <olscumpy> it was sdb1 when it was mounted
[12:38] <Akuli> olscumpy, run lsblk, it'll show you a nice graph of your stuff
[12:38] <Guest87693> ok so instead type sdb1
[12:39] <Akuli> olscumpy, how did you unmount it?
[12:39] <Akuli> umount /dev/sdb1 should do what you want
[12:39] <Guest87693> did it worked
[12:40] <Guest87693> k bye e-one
[12:41] <olscumpy> yep, tried it again just in case, I dunno
[12:41] <olscumpy> sudo umount /dev/sdb1 (no response, assumed it worked)
[12:41] <Akuli> so, now you have it unmounted?
[12:41] <Akuli> ...yes
[12:41] <olscumpy> sudo dd if=ubuntu-mate-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=dev/sdb
[12:41] <olscumpy> dd: failed to open ‘dev/sdb’: No such file or directory
[12:41] <Akuli> oh i see
[12:41] <Akuli> /dev/sdb, not dev/sdb
[12:42] <Akuli> / is like C: in windows, everything is under it
[12:42] <olscumpy> oh, those slashes
[12:42] <Akuli> just be careful to type sdb and not sda :)
[12:42] <bekks> add "bs=1M" at the end, too.
[12:42] <olscumpy> I once broke terminal for a week because I had a . instead of a slash
[12:42] <olscumpy> in a thing
[12:43] <olscumpy> ...and that thing wasn't in ~, it was in the more powerful areas >.>
[12:43] <Akuli> bekks, whats the buffer size by default?
[12:43] <olscumpy> looks like it's running now, thank you
[12:43] <bekks> Akuli: 512 bytes.
[12:43] <Akuli> seems a bit weird that its just set like that and its not changing based on how much ram the computer has
[12:44] <bekks> RAM is totally irrelevant at that point, since it is unrelated.
[12:44] <Akuli> oh i see
[12:44] <olscumpy> did that guest get kicked or are they still talking? i had them muted after a bit :)
[12:45] <Akuli> he quit himself
[12:45] <Akuli> which is also weord
[12:45] <Akuli> weird
[12:52] <olscumpy> will dd say something when it's done?
[12:53] <bekks> It will just return to terminal.
[12:53] <olscumpy> ok cool
[12:53] <olscumpy> I use terminal so rarely, because mint-mate is so crazy good at suggesting things when you hit alt f2
[12:53] <olscumpy> hoping that continues in ubuntu-mate
[12:56] <Akuli> actually, it should display a report about how much it wrote and how fast
[12:56] <Akuli> olscumpy, yes, alt+f2 box works just the same
[13:18] <olscumpy> ha!
[13:18] <olscumpy> so it does
[13:18] <olscumpy> awesome
[13:18] <Akuli> running on your ubuntu mate now?
[13:18] <olscumpy> it's pretty like mint-cinnamon was, but has the "smart" / helpful features that mint-mate had
[13:18] <olscumpy> mint-mate was ugly though. looked like gnome
[13:19] <olscumpy> I'm running it live currently
[13:19] <olscumpy> ubuntu-mate, that is
[13:19] <olscumpy> thanks for the help you two!
[13:19] <Akuli> you can customize mate however you want
[13:19] <Akuli> just right-click the panel at the bottom and get started
[13:19] <Akuli> or switch your theme.. unfortunately mint doesn't come with mate
[13:19] <Akuli> oops
[13:19] <Akuli> mint doesn't come with mate's themes by default :(
[13:20] <olscumpy> I have my /home as a separate partition... if I just try to login after installing mint with my old user/pass, will it automatically use that user's home?
[13:21] <olscumpy> er, after installing ubuntu
[13:21] <Akuli> the installer will ask you to set up a new username and password, just choose what you had before
[13:21] <Akuli> also choose to partition your disk manually and just use the same old partitions so you can be sure its not overwriting your /home
[13:21] <olscumpy> ok, and it'll sync up?
[13:21] <Akuli> it should
[13:21] <olscumpy> I'd hate to lose ~/.firefox
[13:22] <Akuli> then take a backup of it :)
[13:22] <olscumpy> oh right
[13:22] <Akuli> cp --recursive ~/.firefox /whatever/place/you/want/it/to
[13:23] <olscumpy> the idea of backing up things onto the same hard drive but in a different spot never made sense before
[13:23] <olscumpy> now that I might potentially break my old ~, it makes more sense :)
[13:24] <bekks> Hmm, no it doesnt :)
[13:24] <bekks> Potentially you are breaking more than your home, and you will lose your data and your backup
[13:25] <Akuli> ...my idea was that you reinstall over everything else than /home and leave nothing but /home as it is now
[13:25] <Akuli> and swap of course
[13:27] <olscumpy> getting used to not having mint's "start menu"
[13:27] <olscumpy> yeah, should back it up to usb stick as well I guess
[13:27] <Akuli> right-click your menu at top left, unlock, drag it to the bottom panel with the wheel of your mouse
[13:28] <Akuli> and you have a somewhat windows-like menu
[13:31] <olscumpy> probably easier to swap back to mint to do that, but can I mount my old home directory and back it up from here in the live session?
[13:31] <olscumpy> I tried to open gparted and it started the process, but not the gui, for some reason
[13:31] <bekks> olscumpy: No need for using mint or whatever.
[13:32] <bekks> Mount it using  live cd, back it up, done.
[13:33] <Akuli> it should show up somewhere in your "Computer"
[13:34] <olscumpy> hrm
[13:34] <olscumpy> OH, there's 3 "start menus" (sorry for butchering the terminology)
[13:34] <olscumpy> Places and System were straight invisible to my eyes lol
[13:36] <Akuli> :)
[13:36] <olscumpy> unable to mount location / unable to determine the program to run
[13:36] <olscumpy> when I try mount / open as admin, on the hard drive
[13:38] <Akuli> is your old /home not showing up in Computer?
[13:39] <olscumpy> not currently, when running a live sesh from the usb stick
[13:39] <olscumpy> just a Hitachi HTSnumbersnumbers
[13:51] <olscumpy> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt
[13:51] <olscumpy> mount: /dev/sda is already mounted or /mnt busy
[13:51] <olscumpy> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/boooga
[13:51] <olscumpy> mount: mount point /mnt/boooga does not exist
[13:52] <olscumpy> http://paste2.org/YdaJbYBD
[13:53] <Akuli> sudo mkdir /not/boooga
[13:53] <Akuli> run mount and pastebin the output
[13:54] <olscumpy> http://termbin.com/5vm9
[13:56] <olscumpy> also I jotted this down at some point, I think it's related to the usb stick made with dd: "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes"
[13:57] <olscumpy> but I don't think that matters for trying to mount or read my hard drive
[13:59] <Akuli> i believe you want to mount a partition instead of the drive
[14:00] <Akuli> for example if you want to mount sda1 you could do: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[14:00] <olscumpy> ahhh
[14:00] <olscumpy> I'll try that, thanks
[14:02] <olscumpy> okay, I think sda8 is home, and it's mounted, but it appears to be empty
[14:02] <olscumpy> I assume I need to stick my password in somewhere
[14:02] <Akuli> i don't think so
[14:02] <Akuli> maybe your home is something else?
[14:03] <Akuli> by the way you can see what it was in /etc/fstab on your old /
[14:04] <olscumpy> The device '/dev/sda5' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
[14:04] <olscumpy> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
[14:04] <olscumpy> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
[14:05] <olscumpy> also, Caja can't display "computer" now that I've attempted to mount all the sda#s
[14:05] <Akuli> sda5 is a partition, and i'm pretty sure your stuff are on a partition
[14:05] <Akuli> :D
[14:05] <Akuli> umount them when you're done
[14:05] <Akuli> umount /dev/whatever
[14:06] <olscumpy> ok, this has been fun, but I'm booting to mint, backing up, and then installing ubuntu :)
[14:06] <olscumpy> thank you for trying to help
[14:06] <olscumpy> I've learned a bit!
[15:38] <olscumpy> alright, got mate running, sort of
[15:38] <olscumpy> at the login screen, ubuntu looks normal - there's a panel at the top, panel at the bottom, things look nice
[15:38] <olscumpy> when I log in with my old user/pass, I guess the leftover bits of linux mint cause issues
[15:39] <olscumpy> there's only a bottom panel, and no window manager running by default
[15:39] <olscumpy> so I added "run application" to the bottom panel, and ran compiz, because it's the only window manager I know the name of
[15:40] <olscumpy> what is the normal window manager, and is there a way I can reset the panels, window manager, all other visual/UI stuff, to the ubunutu-mate defaults?
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> olscumpy: Throw out configuration files
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ~/.config/mate/ and ~/.config/gtk-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0 are good places to start
[15:41] <olscumpy> sounds great! do you m... ah, fantastic, thank you
[15:44] <olscumpy> I don't have any of those folders, which may be part of the problem
[15:45] <olscumpy> I noticed the installer deleting a LOT of fonts near the end, wasn't sure whether that was normal for setting up ubuntu, or if it was trying to stay out of mint's way / avoid conflict
[17:17] <olscumpy> as best as I can reconstruct what happened, ubuntu wasn't using a window manager because the setting for my mint wm was still around somewhere. with compiz running, I was able to eventually find mate-tweak, and now Marco is enabled seeing as it's the only option in the list
[17:17] <olscumpy> similarly, selecting a panel layout in mate-tweak - any layout whatsoever - fixed the problem of only having one panel, and it missing many buttons
[17:17] <bekks> I'd drop the old home directory, and start with a fresh, new one.
[17:18] <bekks> And just copy over your data files needed, like documents, images, etc.
[17:18] <olscumpy> probably should have, but at this point everything seems to be working great...
[17:23] <olscumpy> http://i.imgur.com/P8jbyeI.png
[17:25] <olscumpy> the idea was to keep my browser, torrents intact. I think it wasn't worth the trouble, but at this point it's already mission successful
[17:25]  * olscumpy shrugs
[17:32] <gboii> what good everybody, teamviewer running on rbpi 3 possible?
[17:50] <ubuntu-mate> Is there a way I can get access to the Software Centre in Ubuntu Mate?
[17:51] <alkisg> sudo apt install gnome-software
[17:55] <ubuntu-mate> Thank you very much
[17:55] <alkisg> you're welcome
[17:57] <ubuntu-mate> I just started to use Linux today, any Tips on how to get started?
[20:21] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[20:21] <oswriter> hi
[20:21] <ubuntu-mate> do u speak german?
[20:21] <ubuntu-mate> i need help
[20:22] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[20:22] <bekks> !de | ubuntu-mate
[20:23] <oswriter> help with what, ubuntu-mate?
[20:37] <ubuntu-mate> can u help me _
[20:38] <ubuntu-mate> ?
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> german?
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> german server ?
[20:42] <bekks> Still #ubuntu-de
[21:14] <jim__> hello ?
[21:15] <jim__> can anyone help me with a scanner ?
[21:16] <jim__> first time on, not sure how this works; anyone there ?
[21:17] <jim__> Hello ?
[21:18] <rahtgaz> jim__: it's best if you always explain the problem and wait for an answers, instead of asking if anyone can help you
[21:19] <rahtgaz> s/an/any
[21:19] <jim__> ok, thanks
[21:19] <jim__> I have an old cannon scanner, Lide 20,
[21:20] <jim__> when i ran Ubuntu Mate live, it worked, but now won't work after installing Unbuntu Mate
[21:22] <jim__> using simple scan as the program
[21:22] <rahtgaz> does it list the LiDE?
[21:23] <ouroumov_> jim__, I've seen scanners problems go away by installing and using "xsane"
[21:23] <jim__> yes, and it acts like it's scanning but just shows a black screen instead of the scanned page
[21:23] <rahtgaz> was about to suggest xsane too
[21:24] <jim__> ok thanks, I'll try xsane and report back.
[21:25] <rahtgaz> According to this, the LiDE 20 is fully supported: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
[21:27] <rahtgaz> good grief! Cannon makes waay too many scanners
[22:13] <jim__> Well, I tried xsane; would not work at all, recognizes scanner and says it's scanning but won't move scanner bar; just returns a black image.
[22:14] <jim__> However, if I start Simple Scan, it returns the scanner bar about 1/3 way, start it again, another third, once more, returns all the way.
[22:15] <jim__> Then next time, it scans the image but won't return the scanner bar.
[22:15] <jim__> 3 more starts, scanner bar back home and it scans again.
[22:16] <jim__> Worked perfect when running the live Ubuntu Mate.
[22:18] <ouroumov_> then file a bug report
[22:19] <nomic> Z.Z.Z
[22:22] <jim__> I removed xsane, but now i have a folder on my desktop named xsane.desktop.3RAANY that I can't delete ? how do I get rid of it ?
[22:24] <rahtgaz> delete it from the terminal or caja at ~/Desktop/
[22:25] <ouroumov_> It's called the "sudo make me a sandwich" method
[22:26] <jim__> Newbie here, could you give me the exact command to type in the terminal ?
[22:28] <rahtgaz> do you see the file in Caja under the Desktop directory?
[22:28] <ouroumov_> cd Desktop && sudo rm -rf xsane.desktop.3RAANY
[22:31] <jim__> I tried that but it's still there.
[22:33] <jim__> Also, from the terminal, I changed the folder to Desktop, and did a ls, everything on the desktop is listed but that.
[22:35] <jim__> But it does show up in Caja in the desktop folder
[22:36] <jim__> When I try to move it to trash, says it can't be moved to trash.
[22:37] <jim__> It's something that xsane put there, but I can't get rid of it even though I unstalled xsane.
[22:44] <rahtgaz> I havne't installed xsane for a long time, but I don't recall it ever creating a directory in the Desktop. That's just weird
[23:13] <nomic> z.z.z.