[01:37] <chigang_> Hi charmers,  I have a question about charm status. when I login https://code.launchpad.net/charms, I saw charms branches with different status,  such as merged,  mature, etc. But I can't understand what the "merged" branches are used for ?  Could you tell me more about  "merged" branches ? thank you
[02:14] <hloeung> chigang_: this is more "Launchpad". Those with "merged" means the changes has made it into the main charm code branch
[02:15] <hloeung> chigang_: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review?highlight=%28merged%29#The_flow_of_this_process
[03:37] <chigang_> hloeung: It is a great help! I need some time to understand the launchpad code workflow , thank you
[05:58] <huhaoran> hello,  I want to build a simple all-in-one with existed juju charms in LXD. Do anyone tried before?  Juju 1.5 or 2.0, which is better?  Trusty or Xenial, which is better? Thanks
[06:01] <huhaoran> simple all-in-one openstack environment
[06:13] <kjackal> Hello Juju World!
[06:47] <blahdeblah> Hello Juju World!  If you use the NTP charms, please have a look here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfGCYyA1xPCMQ3DWKNVbHjN-DTW48uIlXurzZMyGt1i3FhBcw/viewform
[07:29] <BlackDex> Hello... Is there an option to disable the jujud debuging option?
[07:29] <BlackDex> so just normal logging and no debug
[12:21] <kjackal> admcleod: hey mister are you there?
[12:22] <magicaltrout> s/mister/baldy
[12:23] <kjackal> hey magicaltrout you might also know
[12:23] <magicaltrout> nope
[12:23] <kjackal> have you noticed anything strange with charm publish?
[12:23] <kjackal> for instane disapearance?
[12:24] <magicaltrout> not in the last week or so that I can remember
[12:24] <kjackal> I see, it must be something in my system then
[12:24] <kjackal> thanks magicaltrout
[12:53] <admcleod> kjackal: i am now
[12:54] <admcleod> kjackal: i havent done charm publish for a while so no idea
[12:54] <kjackal> admcleod: I think the verbe chaged to release
[12:55] <kjackal> admcleod: I also didn't do a publice recently
[12:55] <admcleod> kjackal: in 2.0 16?
[12:56] <kjackal> charm version
[12:56] <kjackal> charm 2.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa2
[12:56] <kjackal> charm-tools 2.1.4
[12:56] <admcleod> kjackal: im using 1.26 at the moment anyway
[12:56] <admcleod> magicaltrout: remind me where in spain you're going?
[12:57] <magicaltrout> depends what talks I find enough time submitting to :P
[12:57] <magicaltrout> aiming for big data spain and apachecon
[12:57] <magicaltrout> madrid and seville
[12:57] <magicaltrout> but none of that is confirmed
[12:58] <admcleod> ok, i will try for seville also
[12:58] <admcleod> wanna share a room?
[12:58] <magicaltrout> hehe
[12:58] <magicaltrout> I'm okay thanks
[12:58] <admcleod> :(
[12:59] <admcleod> ccccccdubjcrittlinctevdhiulrrkjbgucknnbcfjuf
[12:59] <admcleod> err...
[12:59] <magicaltrout> you'll shave my head or something to exact revenge
[12:59] <admcleod> that has nothing to do with my ubi key at all.
[12:59] <admcleod> move along.
[12:59] <magicaltrout> lol
[12:59] <magicaltrout> rented a car for pasadena
[12:59] <magicaltrout> wonder how many people i'll kill
[12:59] <admcleod> man, shaving a head is not revenge. its sublime.
[12:59] <magicaltrout> lol
[13:00] <admcleod> when do you arrive? and what did you rent?
[13:00] <magicaltrout> Saturday
[13:00] <magicaltrout> "Ford Taurus LTD or similar"
[13:01] <admcleod> crysler saturday?
[13:01] <admcleod> ah
[13:01] <admcleod> i hope they run out of taurus's's
[13:01] <magicaltrout> considered a mustang convertable for a while
[13:01] <admcleod> thats worse than a blue cheese chocolate sundae
[13:01] <magicaltrout> my first trip to the states I delibereately tried to rent something compact, when I got there they'd run out so they get me a Nissan Altima
[13:02] <magicaltrout> they aren't compact....
[13:02] <admcleod> haha nope
[13:03] <admcleod> i did a road trip from denver -> vegas -> denver, i intended to rent 300c or similar.. ended up with a mazda 3
[13:04] <magicaltrout> hehe
[13:04] <magicaltrout> yeah, I'm not sure i've ever got what I ordered
[13:04] <magicaltrout> we'll see when I get to LA
[13:04] <magicaltrout> but I have Thurs-Sun to drive around a lot and a commute to San Diego the next week as well
[13:04] <magicaltrout> and its better than a train
[13:05] <admcleod> yeah should be fun
[13:07] <magicaltrout> missing my youngests 2nd birthday for the Summit so this week I'm mostly grovelling ;)
[13:08]  * admcleod sudden flashback to every movie where that happens
[13:08] <magicaltrout> yeah
[13:08] <admcleod> "...and thats why i killed 20 people in a supermarket."
[13:08] <magicaltrout> nearly missed the eldests first day at school as well
[13:08] <magicaltrout> i'd have been shot for that
[13:09] <admcleod> well, when daddy gets to the moon itll all be worth it
[13:09] <magicaltrout> hehe
[13:09] <admcleod> ill let you buy me a beer to help you get past it
[13:09] <magicaltrout> i'll see if my expenses will reach that far
[13:09] <magicaltrout> you have posh tastes
[13:10] <admcleod> well, what with the emotional torment you caused me with the baldie comment... (can hardly type through the tears)
[13:10] <admcleod> i can do cheap.
[13:12] <magicaltrout> off to bletchley park tomorrow, i might not be allowed into the US if they find I've been learning about cryptography
[13:12] <magicaltrout> even if it is WWII ;)
[13:12] <admcleod> fingers crossed
[13:12] <magicaltrout> pfft
[13:13] <magicaltrout> you'd all miss my amazing talks
[13:13] <admcleod> that they let you in!
[13:13] <admcleod> what! you dont think...
[13:15] <magicaltrout> I have no talk, no working software and a half working charm, better get it working before Monday
[13:19] <admcleod> fingers still crossed
[17:25] <PCdude> heeyy everybody :)
[17:27] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/820925/how-do-i-set-a-dns-server-in-maas-that-will-be-passed-on-to-the-nodes
[18:17] <__szilard_cserey> ?
[20:37] <PCdude> I get the following error
[20:37] <PCdude> http://imgur.com/a/Z47K1
[20:37] <PCdude> the log file does not show anything
[20:37] <PCdude> any idea on how to solve it?
[22:31] <marcoceppi> PCdude: what error? I don't see one in the picture
[23:10] <pragsmike> hey marco, thanks for those articles on openstack with two servers.  they're a couple years old by now but it still helped me.  I hadn't known about NUCs.
[23:10] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: hey, glad it helped you. they are ANCIENT!
[23:12] <pragsmike> well I had been building a setup kinda like that but with old desktops, using an old APC masterswitch.  This week I found out that NUCs can be power-controlled via AMT, no masterswitch required.
[23:13] <pragsmike> So yeah, I'm a couple years behind the curve.
[23:13] <magicaltrout> i backed a kickstarter so I could build a poor mans orange box: http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/
[23:13] <magicaltrout> shame they'll ship too late for the charmers summit
[23:13] <pragsmike> ooh!
[23:14] <marcoceppi> damn, the stats and size on those is nice
[23:14] <magicaltrout> yeah
[23:15] <magicaltrout> i have 4 on the way
[23:15] <magicaltrout> and they upped the ram from 8gb to 32gb
[23:16] <magicaltrout> so 4, 2.24gz intel boards with 32gb ram for $500
[23:17] <magicaltrout> my brother studied industrial design at uni, so he can build me a nice enclosure ;)
[23:17] <marcoceppi> that beats the pants off the NUC stats
[23:17] <pragsmike> no nvme though
[23:18] <pragsmike> but what you can fit in a lunchbox is getting insane
[23:19] <pragsmike> Can you guys point me in the right direction to understand how Juju2/MAAS2 container networks are supposed to work?
[23:19] <pragsmike> My containers always wind up on the lxdbr0 private network, and aren't managed by MAAS hence don't appear in DNS, and aren't reachable anyway
[23:20] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: you on beta17 of juju?
[23:20] <pragsmike> yes
[23:20] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: huh, it should just work
[23:20] <marcoceppi> and these are containers created by Juju, yeah?
[23:20] <pragsmike> yes
[23:20] <marcoceppi> (should just work, but I still have MAAS 1.9 and haven't managed to upgrade yet)
[23:21] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: if you still use virtualbox like your blog post... dont ;)
[23:21] <pragsmike> Ok, well that's good info anyway, it tells be it's probably me doing something wrong
[23:21] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: haha, no, I've got an orangebox here actually ;)
[23:21] <magicaltrout> booo
[23:21] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: so, for my setup. I'm getting LXD machines drawing IP addresses from MAAS
[23:21] <pragsmike> hmm, I still use virtualbox machines in MAAS for testing sometimes, is that bad?
[23:22] <magicaltrout> not if it works for you pragsmike
[23:22] <magicaltrout> i wasted 3 days on maas 2.0 and virtualbox, the virtual networking kept dropping off mid bootstrap
[23:22] <pragsmike> marcoceppi: do you set up any spaces or anything non-default?
[23:22] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: I think you have to setup the networkign side in maas to do that
[23:22] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: spaces are setup
[23:23] <pragsmike> I just let maas create the subnets, VLAN, spaces by default
[23:23] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: the OrangeBox has some slightly special-ness
[23:23] <magicaltrout> pragsmike: you got a dhcp reserved pool?
[23:23] <pragsmike> it seems to DHCP/DNS the metal boxes ok
[23:23] <pragsmike> yes I do, for my routers, masterswitch, etc.
[23:24] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: do you lxd machines show up as devices at all?
[23:24] <pragsmike> it's just the containers that get created end up on lxdbr
[23:24] <pragsmike> No, they don't
[23:24] <pragsmike> I looked for that, as the code looks like it might try to do that
[23:24] <magicaltrout> i spent ages with the virtualbox stuff, then found that the machines weren't getting ip's because i didn't have a dhcp reserved pool for juju machines being commissioned by maas
[23:25] <magicaltrout> in the end the virtualnet failed me, but that stumped me for about a day until i found a one liner in a doc somewhere
[23:25] <marcoceppi> vbox was such a crazy work around. KVM is much better way to do MAAS testing
[23:25] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: so I have two fabrics in one space (space-0) in maas
[23:25] <marcoceppi> and my lxc machines get IP address in both fabrics
[23:26] <magicaltrout> you should sponsor pragsmike to the juju summit marcoceppi so he can play with an orange box and figure it out ;)
[23:26] <marcoceppi> :/ I don't see anything special in my model/controller config to map spaces
[23:26] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: are you coming to the charmer summit?
[23:27] <pragsmike> I did see a message in the machine log to the effect that it "failed to prepare, machine with this name already exists"... that's vague, let me find the exact message
[23:27] <pragsmike> It's tempting...
[23:27] <magicaltrout> get down there
[23:27] <pragsmike> especially if I get an orange box
[23:27] <pragsmike> :)
[23:27] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: well, you can play with mine for as long as you'd like, I'll ahve it with me there
[23:27] <marcoceppi> and we'll have a few others IIRC
[23:28] <marcoceppi> at the very least I'll let you upgrade it to 2.0 maas ;)
[23:29] <pragsmike> i'm not sure you want me to be the one to do that :/
[23:29] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: nonsense
[23:29] <magicaltrout> pragsmike: believe me, you're more qualified than i am
[23:29] <pragsmike> also, is it normal for the machine logs to get spammed with "upgrader" manifold worker returned unexpected error: cannot set agent version: connection is shut down
[23:30] <magicaltrout> and also more qualified than marcoceppi i suspect having watched him in ghent! ;)
[23:30] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: I'm not familiar with that error, is that in the machine log or unit log?
[23:30] <pragsmike> machine
[23:30] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: might be worth opening a bug about that, beta18 is around the corner and an RC is looming
[23:30] <pragsmike> there are zillions of them, in bursts, for pretty much every manifold worker
[23:30] <marcoceppi> so if that's not supposed to be there, we should probably fix that
[23:31] <pragsmike> ok, one suspicious message in machine log on the container host: WARNING juju.provisioner lxd-broker.go:62 failed to prepare container "0/lxd/0" network config: connection is shut down
[23:32] <pragsmike> it's just a warning, and the code says that it doesn't matter if it doesn't get an address (yet)
[23:33] <pragsmike> and the one I was looking for: WARNING juju.provisioner lxd-broker.go:62 failed to prepare container "0/lxd/0" network config: {"hostname": ["Node with this Hostname already exists."]}
[23:33] <pragsmike> from later in that same log
[23:34] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: so dimitern might be able to help you with the networking, he's from the Juju core team that implemented a lot of that, but he's not online right now
[23:34] <marcoceppi> I am but a meat popsicle
[23:34] <pragsmike> well in the meantime I'll stare at the code some more
[23:35] <pragsmike> i must say this is the most fun i've had in a long time
[23:35] <magicaltrout> get to the summit
[23:35] <magicaltrout> it'll be bloody amaazing
[23:35] <magicaltrout> or acceptable at least
[23:35] <marcoceppi> yeah, over 200 Juju enthusisasts are signed up from across the community
[23:36] <pragsmike> ooh, 6 days... california...
[23:36] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: not sure how far you are from Pasadena, but it's next week :)
[23:36] <magicaltrout> I'm  missing my 2nd borns 2nd birthday for it!
[23:36] <magicaltrout> (I shouldn't brag about that fact...)
[23:36] <magicaltrout> i didn't miss  my first borns first day at school though
[23:36] <magicaltrout> which nearly happened
[23:37] <pragsmike> priorities
[23:37] <pragsmike> I'm in NoVA, near DC
[23:38] <magicaltrout> indeed
[23:38] <pragsmike> i just started using juju seriously this past week, it's already hooked me because of the attention to testing
[23:38] <pragsmike> nothing else has that
[23:39] <magicaltrout> this is true
[23:39] <pragsmike> my current project is to build an openstack mitaka controller, and even with these network hiccups, it's still turning out easier to do with charms than the way I'd been doing it
[23:40] <magicaltrout> and the charms that get to the top level namespace need them
[23:40] <magicaltrout> so you (hopefully) know they're not rubbish
[23:40] <pragsmike> anything reactive has the potential to misbehave spectacularly, and be fiendishly hard to test
[23:42]  * magicaltrout has a bunch of stuff to finish before monday and between now and then has to go to bletchley park, work, have fake 2nd birthday for the child and fly to California
[23:42] <magicaltrout> its gonna be a busy week
[23:42] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: oy! I'm in NOVA too
[23:43] <pragsmike> bletchley!  cool stuff
[23:43] <pragsmike> Vienna/Oakton here
[23:44] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: no. way. I'm in Vienna
[23:44] <pragsmike> lol
[23:44] <magicaltrout> okay so don't bother with Cali
[23:44] <marcoceppi> off Beulah
[23:44] <pragsmike> wanna come help me debug my problem :)
[23:44] <magicaltrout> just swing round marco's house
[23:44] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: haha, I totally would fly over, but I'm preparing for an early morning demo, then I fly out to CA to prepare for the summit tomorrow evening
[23:45] <pragsmike> heh we should get together sometime anyway
[23:45] <pragsmike> going to openstack meetup near dulles?
[23:45] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: when is it?
[23:45] <pragsmike> oops, guess not, it's sep 8
[23:46] <marcoceppi> yeah, not this time around unfortunately
[23:47] <marcoceppi> pragsmike: I get back next wednesday, if you wanted to meet up on Thursday evening. Shoot me an email: marco.ceppi@canonical.com
[23:47] <marcoceppi> orrrrr, you could come out to CA ;)
[23:47] <magicaltrout> which is a much better option
[23:47] <magicaltrout> than marco's house
[23:47] <pragsmike> CA is iffy, short notice and I'm kinda hobbling around on a broken foot
[23:47] <pragsmike> but it's reaallly tempting
[23:48] <magicaltrout> surely you just hobble to plane, hobble to hotel, hobble to room..... sit.... hobble to plane? ;)
[23:49] <marcoceppi> we can just "roll out" the red carpet ;)
[23:49] <magicaltrout> broken feet are for wimps
[23:50] <magicaltrout> cut it off and walk on  the wound!
[23:50] <pragsmike> well, maybe for an orange box
[23:51] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: how american are you going to be this time? do i need to pack any ant-nausea tablets? ;)
[23:51] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: that's an excellent question
[23:51] <magicaltrout> lol
[23:52]  * magicaltrout doubles down
[23:52] <marcoceppi> hah, actually, I'm going to be super english this time
[23:52] <magicaltrout> what, like kwmonroe 's attempt at mary poppins? or just a bit rude?
[23:53] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: the latter, I think kwmonroe was more texan at that point than anything else
[23:53] <marcoceppi> man, I am in love with the colourized output in beta17
[23:53] <magicaltrout> hehe. he does a better cockney accent than me which is shameful
[23:55] <magicaltrout> alright, as  much as i'm trying to live on BST-9 already I have to get the child to school in 8 hours. pragsmike i'll see you in Pasadena... I arrive on Saturday night and have a car so if you need a lift let me know! ;)
[23:55] <magicaltrout> s/night/late afternoon
[23:58] <marcoceppi> cheers!