[04:42] Good morning [04:51] hi [08:01] hello! [08:02] morning all [08:03] 'sup willcooke [08:03] Hey willcooke, Laney. [08:03] how goes? [08:03] hey TheMuso! === davmor2_hols is now known as davmor2 [08:06] some "developer insights" thing has started spamming me @canonical.com [08:06] * Laney slays it [08:07] hey Laney willcooke TheMuso [08:09] yo seb128 [08:09] how's it going? [08:09] good weekend? [08:10] w.e was alright, went to Rotterdam for lunch on saturday and walked a bit around and had dinner with friend, yesterday was more relaxing/indoor activies since it was raining, managed to go for some footing still though [08:10] you? [08:12] footing???? [08:13] oh man, it rained so much on saturday [08:13] Morning... [08:14] just had coffee and pastries at a breakfast place, went and hung around in town, climbing then pub [08:14] and yesterday I hung around at home mainly, worked on a meson.build file [08:14] rock and roll! [08:15] hey Trevinho!!! [08:15] oh, life here! hello guys! :) [08:15] woah WOAH woah WOAH wait [08:15] Laney, sorry, that's french for jogging :p [08:15] Laney: footing == running :) [08:15] haha [08:15] but we like to "do sport"! :) [08:16] so be it! ;) [08:16] i like it [08:16] didrocks, we might have been missing for some hours but you have been missing for some weeks :p [08:16] had good holidays? [08:17] oh, and hey ;-) [08:17] hey Trevinho, how is .it? [08:17] yeah! they were excellent thanks! Surprinsingly, going to the south coast spare you for heavy hot weather contrary to the rest of France! [08:17] also, spent some relaxing days to my parent's, helping them with the house, was nice! [08:17] \o/ [08:17] how were your weeks guys? [08:18] * Laney has been learning D [08:18] also meson since yesterday [08:18] for appstream I guess? [08:18] fun weeks ... [08:18] yeah [08:18] how is it? Sounds like a little bit twisted when I tried it for a couple of hours [08:19] might try to learn Mojo again for the second time [08:19] like, you really have to think differently :) [08:19] so we can hand this thing off to IS forever [08:19] hehe :) [08:19] heh [08:19] it's not like haskell or anything [08:19] the documentation is quite bad, and the compiler is SO SLOW [08:19] there are two different ones actually but they don't implement the same stuff from the standard library [08:19] :| [08:20] Hey Laney and seb128... [08:20] interesting… [08:20] It's all right, thanks... [08:20] oh well [08:20] Not too sunny unfortunately.. [08:21] I filed some bugs with Jussi yesterday [08:21] which was fun :D [08:21] I hope I didn't loose my golang during my holidays! I really start to like it :) [08:22] is GNOME switching build system? [08:22] nah [08:23] but the generator has a meson.build thing [08:23] and it has this feature where you can include subprojects in your build if they use meson too [08:23] i want to make use of that [08:23] k, I see [08:23] seems neat [08:24] Trevinho: why are you ...ing so much? [08:24] do you want a hug? :( [08:24] * Laney hugs Trevinho anyway [08:25] Ehehe, thanks :-) [08:26] * didrocks is never ...ing, always …ing please! :-) [08:26] * didrocks hugs Trevinho as well [08:26] Meson encountered an error in file meson.build, line 1, column 0: [08:26] Tried to use unknown language "d". [08:27] off to a good start here [08:45] erm [08:46] bbl, house across the street is on fire [08:46] urg [08:51] wtf [08:52] hey Laney, bonjour seb128 ! [08:52] waow [08:52] hey pitti ! [08:52] bonjour didrocks ! [08:58] hey pitti [08:58] how are you? [08:58] I'm great, thanks! We've been in the "Spreewald" over the weekend with a bunch of friends; a hut in the middle of nowhere [08:58] no electricity, pipe water, internet, etc. [08:58] lut pitti [08:59] was that a festival or something? [08:59] just a water pump, a barge (for going around in the channels), four boxes of beer and a barbecue :) [08:59] seb128: no, nothing official; it's a fishing hut with a couple of beds that some friends of ours can use [09:00] nice! [09:01] http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2267226 <- this is where we're going to be next week [09:01] 28-29, just about right [09:03] Laney: where will you go? [09:03] looks great for outdoor activity [09:03] to that town [09:03] we have some surfing lessons booked [09:04] awesome [09:04] other than that: exploring and swimming in the sea or pool [09:04] nice [09:04] Laney: did you surf before, or first time? [09:05] pitti: first time! [09:05] awesome! [09:05] have you done it? [09:05] * pitti still remembers his first lesson in Sydney [09:05] I wonder if I'll be any good [09:05] it said something about how you might be on some green waves by the third day [09:05] Laney: I can do windsurfing (I have a license), but I only ever took one board surfing lesson back then (2005, Ubuntu Down Under) [09:05] which makes it sound hard to me :) [09:06] Laney: of course you spend the first lesson with 1. climb on, 2. fall of, 3. goto 1 [09:06] but at the end I was able to not fall off for about 50 m [09:06] Laney: if it's anything like windsurfing, that felt the same in the first lesson [09:07] in the third I could get around, and the fifth was the first lesson when I didn't fall off a single time [09:07] at first you think "this is impossible", but the brain amazingly adjusts to it [09:08] good to know [09:08] I think my balance is pretty good in general ... [09:08] at least I'm usually okay at the climbs that require a lot of balancing [09:08] this is probably going to be a rude awakening :P [09:10] Laney: don't worry, it's even a lot of fun with the falling; your peers around you will do the sam :) [09:10] pitti: \o/ [09:11] and then I'll hassle $managers to make the next sprint be in an appropriate place for my next batch of lessons [09:11] +1 [09:11] pitti: are you coming to The Hague sprint btw? [09:11] Laney: doesn't ring a bell, so I think no [09:12] hmm [09:12] this needs fixing! [09:12] my next one will be Oct 31 to Nov 4 in Bucharest (cloud sprint) [09:12] and then first week of Dec for the CDO sprint [09:12] and of course end of September in Berlin, systemd.conf [09:12] busy busy [09:13] but never desktop+foundations again, *grump* [09:13] there's one for our side october 17-21 or so [09:13] some foundations people are on the list [09:13] Adam, I think [09:13] we need an autopkgtest and systemd representative [09:13] * Laney thinks who that could be [09:13] :) [09:14] on Oct 15 I will be in Dresden and jump out of a plane [09:15] my parents told me that if I behave, I will get a parachute [09:15] !!! [09:15] aim for the dresden marshmallow factory otherwise [09:16] I hope they'll build one in time! [09:17] are you making that one up or do they have one? ;-) [09:17] haha [09:17] (also, precisely it is in Bautzen, not Dresden, but it's close enough) [09:18] is that your second time? [09:18] nope, first [09:18] I tried paragliding last year [09:18] ah ok, I though you mentioned parachutes a while ago [09:18] ah [09:19] but that's much more horizontal [09:19] I probably remembered that one wrongly [09:19] this will be ~ 2000 m of free fall and then the parachute (I hope) [09:19] I don't think I would be able to jump from a plane ;-) [09:20] our genes should forbid us to jump out of a perfectly well functioning plane, indeed [09:27] bac [09:27] k [09:27] That was pretty terrifying [09:27] * willcooke orders a new fire extinguisher [09:27] y'all should probably do the same [09:27] O_O [09:27] what happeneed? [09:28] s/ee/e/ [09:28] Sounds like dodgy electrics started it [09:28] the people that live there had a baby ~ 3 months a go [09:28] they lady was feeding the baby and thought she should smell something [09:28] then just fire everywhere [09:29] fire brigade were here in about 5 mins and put it out, but everything is ruined now [09:29] wow [09:30] hope they have somewhere to go :-/ [09:30] is the house itself okay? [09:30] Don't know. These are timber framed houses, so erk. [09:31] I thought "blimey, it's got really foggy quickly.... oh F..." [09:32] ... [09:32] i should get someone out to check our electrics [09:32] there's some shady stuff here [09:32] please do [09:32] definitely some bad grounding [09:33] and one socket where some things (e.g. sewing machine) don't work [09:33] which someone said could happen if it's wired up backwards [09:33] * Laney no understand much [09:33] even if it doesnt start a fire, that sounds like something worth fixing, because it could even affect things like RCD devices [09:34] it's had a safety check [09:34] ah, kk [09:34] so shouldn't be dangerous per se [09:34] just not working properly ... [09:34] * Laney tries to sound confident [09:34] not sure if they check every socket when they do that though tbh [09:34] the dudes we bought the house off had it done [09:35] I think they probably test at the fuse box, which in theory would test the whole ring [09:35] that thing is modern [09:36] with a big sticker on it saying that there are two wiring standards in use in the house [09:36] /o\ [09:36] ah yeah, we have one of those, it's from where they went from red & black to blue & brown around y2k [09:37] i'm going to write to David Davis and ask for the old standard back [09:37] along with my blue passport [09:37] :D [09:37] +1 for blue passport === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:20] Laney: in systemd is there a way to know what unit is currently running? [11:21] Trevinho: systemctl --user [11:21] "or systemctl --user is-active foo.service" to check for a particular one [11:21] pitti: I mean, in an exec script.. [11:21] pitti: I want to know who I am :-) [11:21] Trevinho: oh, you mean if your process is running in some unit? [11:21] yeah [11:21] pitti: like upstart had a UPSTART_JOB [11:23] basename $(grep 'name=systemd' /proc/self/cgroup ) [11:23] ? === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [11:25] pitti: oh, yeah, that's ok thanks [11:25] I was looking at that file actually, but didn't notice the thing :-) [11:26] is that guaranteed? [11:28] I wouldn't know what could break it [11:40] Trevinho: I forgot if I was supposed to review/test something btw :( [11:41] Laney: yeah, but... I'm tuning it still a little, so you can wait for few minutes i fyou want [11:43] ok [11:49] * Laney grimaces at the autopkgtest.u.c queues [12:10] good morning [12:12] * Laney screamcries [12:12] hi jbicha [12:23] hey jbicha [12:28] Laney: so.... https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/systemd-unit-fixes/+merge/304784 should now be ready for you [12:28] Laney: latest binaries are building at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839 if you want to wait a ppa [12:32] Trevinho: ok, will look post food [12:32] (deja vu) [12:34] * Laney requests a ximion for post lunch too [12:34] back in a bit [12:36] seb128: what do you think of bug 1620156 bug 1620158 bug 1620160 bug 1620177 ? [12:36] bug 1620156 in gedit (Ubuntu) "Update gedit to 3.22" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620156 [12:36] bug 1620158 in evince (Ubuntu) "Update evince to 3.22" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620158 [12:36] bug 1620160 in totem (Ubuntu) "Update totem to 3.22" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620160 [12:36] bug 1620177 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.22" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620177 [12:37] hum, no really opinion offhand, out of the fact that we are in feature freeze and quality is not quite there so we would better spend energy on fixing bugs rather than on landing new versions that might bring more issues [12:37] g-s-d doesn't impact UbuntuDesktop so that's your call [12:37] I'm going to have a look to the other ones but I'm -1 on principle [12:38] on the other hand, it's easier than backporting bug fixes [12:38] food time here too [12:38] Trevinho, enjoy! [12:38] jbicha, I'm not aware of major issues in gedit/evince/totem or of bugfixes we need to backport [12:45] jbicha, gedit looks fine, though unsure if it's of any use, there seems to have been almost no changes this cycle (the only ones it has are basically the ones you need to revert if gtksourceview is not updated), it has a string change though and UIF is this week [12:48] jbicha, totem/evince looks ok as well [12:52] thanks, I'll upload those tomorrow if there aren't objections [12:52] well, I'm not in the release team [12:52] so you need the FFe approved still [12:53] oh, I thought those were minimal enough that no FFe was necessary [12:59] oh, right, I though the bugs were ffe requests, but yeah nothing in the changes really worth asking an exception [13:29] jbicha, re webkit, did you try rebuilding the previous version to see if it still works or if there is a toolchain issue there? [13:31] seb128: this didn't work https://launchpadlibrarian.net/282397084/webkit2gtk_2.12.4-1_2.12.4-2ubuntu1~ppa1.diff.gz [13:31] but I looked again and am trying this instead https://launchpadlibrarian.net/282780128/webkit2gtk_2.12.4-2_2.12.4-2ubuntu1~ppa2.diff.gz [13:32] it's inspired by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/2.4.11-3 [13:33] jbicha, this seems similar to https://launchpadlibrarian.net/282255246/webkit2gtk_2.12.4-1_2.12.4-1laney1.diff.gz which L_aney tried and said on friday that it didn't work [13:33] yes that's what I did first but now I'm trying overriding CPPFLAGS too [13:34] k, that's why I said similar [13:34] let's see [13:35] unsure I understood your comment correctly on the bug, you suggest using the new serie in yakkety? [13:35] hey desktopers [13:35] Trevinho, hi, do you have systemd units for zeitgeist too? [13:36] hey ricotz [13:37] well if new webkit releases are security updates and are being backported as such to xenial then yes I think it would make sense for yakkety to take the new webkit2gtk [13:37] I'm hoping the slideshow bug is only a gcc6 issue [13:43] jbicha: you mean CXXFLAGS [13:45] Laney: maybe I'm doing it wrong? https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/dev3/+sourcepub/6857270/+listing-archive-extra [13:45] I'm saing that CPPFLAGS isn't what you think it is [13:45] although you might get lucky [13:46] CFLAGS didn't work so I just guessed something else, I don't really know [13:46] CXXFLAGS is the C++ one [13:47] I'm assuming you checked that CFLAGS caused the flag not to be passed [13:48] ricotz: mh, no I don't think we have them... They're dbus-activated IIRC though, so I guess there's not much need [13:49] hmm, looking at the log again, CFLAGS did pass that flag to CXXFLAGS too [13:51] seb128: who should I talk to to find out whether Unity should show the "Additional Drivers" launcher? [13:51] there's a typo in the .desktop but now that it's been that way for so long, maybe Unity would rather still have the icon shown https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/software-properties/use-gi-require_version/+merge/304193 [13:51] jbicha, what do you mean "additional drivers" launcher? [13:53] oh, hum [13:53] I guess it should [13:55] ok, I'll remove Unity from the NotShowIn line [13:56] I'd rather hide it in GNOME for 16.10 because it looks ugly becuase it has a missing-icon (and the Humanity icon is kinda low-resolution) [13:57] thanks === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [14:19] Trevinho: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity/systemd-prestart-check has a random newline at the start which breaks it [14:20] Laney: ohhh... :-( [14:21] doh [14:23] ximion: hilf mir [14:25] fixed again... [14:32] Laney: was ist passiert? ;-) [14:34] jbicha: gcc/g++-5 build https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/10709455 [14:34] seems broken to me [14:34] ximion: es ist kaputt [14:34] i can't build asgen with meson [14:34] Laney: with gdc or ldc? [14:34] one second [14:34] Laney: https://webkitgtk.org/2016/09/05/webkitgtk2.12.5-released.html already packaged in Debian [14:34] and do you use Meson Git? [14:34] i'll give you a pastebin of death [14:36] git> yeah, the error otherwise is pretty obvious :P [14:38] ximion: https://paste.debian.net/810329/ [14:38] is DC=ldc2 right? [14:38] Laney: wow, I don't get these [14:38] jup [14:38] yeah ... [14:39] but for LDC, you will need to use a Git snapshot, because the Debian maintainer of LDC managed to package an alpha compiler release by accident, and now the LDC thing in Debian and Ubuntu has bugs [14:39] and asgen manages to trigger them all [14:40] meh [14:40] how easy is that to do? [14:40] you made a package of the snapshot right? [14:41] Laney: well, I cloned the Git repo, extracted the debian/ directory from the packaging of LDC and moved it there, applied the Debian patches (required a slight bit of changes) and then created Debian packages [14:41] super quick&dirty, but I didn't want to mess with this a lot [14:41] me neither :| [14:42] Laney: if you wait a bit, I will just upload the packages I have somewhere [14:42] by the way, this is an overview of the LDC bugs I know or knew about: https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20author%3Aximion%20 [14:43] I have never seen any GDC bug, you found the first one [14:43] haha [14:43] (apart from that wreckage in gdc-6 in Debian, which was fixed three days ago) [14:44] there's some D changes in gcc-6 [14:44] unfortunately no newer Phobos versin [14:45] hey you fixed the ldc one it seems [14:45] https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/pull/1664 [14:45] jup [14:46] I am a compiler hacker now :P [14:46] hmm [14:46] different symbol though [14:46] can I hack aroudn this in the build flags? [14:47] Trevinho, right, I didnt remember correctly since I thought there were some upstart patches [14:47] Laney: try these https://people.debian.org/~mak/tmp/ [14:47] merci [14:47] wait [14:48] give me the source package please :P [14:48] * Laney doesn't want to install random debian-compiled .debs [14:48] ricotz: I did some, but I think they were not added eventually [14:49] Laney: it's there [14:49] oh, the dsc is missing [14:49] I can deal with that [14:50] * Laney is trying to get -3ubuntu11 (???) of gdc-6 first though [14:51] Laney: the ldc "packaging" is really bad though ^^ [14:51] I will now bother the LDC Debian maintainer some more to fix this thing, because it is breaking quite some stuff on Debian too and preventing it from entering testing [14:52] the D ecosystem :/ [14:52] dcosystem [14:52] * Laney <- dad jokes [14:53] Trevinho, ah, good that I didnt made it up ;) [14:55] Laney: D people do enjoy this... (there is dstuct, drelict, undeaD, ...) [14:55] meh, the new gdc is still bad [14:55] * Laney tries that build then [14:56] jbicha, does that update fixes the bug? [14:57] seb128: no idea yet, it fixes "crashes" [14:58] Trevinho, regarding the zeitgeist packaging, where is the "fix_autocomplete.diff" patch coming from? [14:59] ricotz: mhmh, I've really checked that package once... So i'm not familiar. Let me see [15:01] Trevinho, ah, thanks for checking [15:16] ximion: can't build your ldc with the same linker error [15:16] * Laney cries [15:17] Laney: I run on Debian, so that's probably the reason [15:17] i'm sure [15:17] Laney: install my deb packages and then try to rebuild the package with the newer version [15:22] ximion: just using your binaries :P [15:22] seems to be working so far [15:23] Laney: I am using a version compiled with this compiler stack in production, so this seems to be fairly good [15:23] it's also quite fast [15:23] Usage: appstream-generator [OPTION...] - AppStream Generator. [15:23] yesssssssssss [15:29] * xnox shakes fist at seb128 [15:30] python-apt {"requester": "xnox", "triggers": ["gnupg2/2.1.15-1ubuntu2", "python-apt/1.1.0~beta5", "python-debian/0.1.29"]} is waiting to be run already [15:30] and [15:30] python-apt {"requester": "seb128", "triggers": ["gnupg2/2.1.15-1ubuntu2"]} will not be enough. [15:30] i hope things will migrate between my request and your request, and that once the latter one fails it will not block gnupg2 further... [15:33] xnox, sorry, maybe pitti can delete my request? [15:34] deleting request python-apt {"requester": "xnox", "triggers": ["gnupg2/2.1.15-1ubuntu2", "python-apt/1.1.0~beta5", "python-debian/0.1.29"]} [15:34] deleting request python-apt {"requester": "seb128", "triggers": ["gnupg2/2.1.15-1ubuntu2"]} [15:34] ouch, sorry [15:34] xnox: can you put in your's again? [15:35] pitti, thanks [15:35] that was a great flush :) [15:35] argh, now it will have to wait forever.... =) [15:35] ok [15:36] pitti, is there some command line tool to craft these requests? fiddling with URL prooves to be cumbersome. [15:36] seb128: doesn't matter otherwise, if it fails and xnox' succeeds, the succeeding one will win [15:36] autopkgtest-cloud/tools/filter-amqp on snakefruit [15:36] needs ssh access [15:36] sorry, need to go AFK for a bit === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [15:38] pitti, thanks again and see you later! [15:41] pitti, ok, tah! [15:48] Subproject libmo finished. [15:48] Build targets in project: 7 [15:48] * Laney is getting excited === flocculant_ is now known as flocculant [15:52] Laney, glib failed to build on armhf|64 (just mentioning it because I crossed that and unsure if we get email for syncs) [15:52] seb128, i wonder if all of these qt-bles tests can be just canceled =)))))) [15:53] we don't really care about qt on armhf, do we? [15:53] * xnox giggles [15:53] dokissimo cold me [15:53] yeah, who needs working phones anyway [15:54] xnox: yeah I don't know why you were upset at s_eb128 when clearly M_irv was the bigger issue ;) === bpierre_ is now known as bpierre [15:57] ximion: how helpful are you feeling? :-) [15:57] I need help generating some gir-d bindings [15:58] and maybe with mangling the build system so they can be used with the submodule [15:58] and and and [15:58] Laney, I didn't read backlog but ldc is failing to build on some archs and stuck in yakkety-proposed, do you know if anyone is looking at that? [15:59] not me [15:59] who uploaded it? [16:01] debian [16:01] sb128: help me nagging markos about finally updating LDC in Debian ;-) [16:01] and move it to the D team umbrella so we can help him packaging it [16:01] then locutusofborg tried to fix it it seems [16:01] (he wants to do that, but he's really busy) [16:01] Laney: I feel very helpful, but I also need to run - wrap up session and then dinner maybe :) [16:01] oh, it was removed from debian since, https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/ldc.html [16:02] my todo list is filling up here [16:02] ximion: ok [16:02] seb128: yeah, and the issues would be sooo easy to fix [16:02] * ximion would have done that if he could commit to the LDC packaging [16:02] :-/ [16:03] prevents Terminix from migrating, and also asgen from using LDC [16:03] seb128: I'll talk to markos again when I have time [16:03] * ximion needs to run [16:53] k, enough for today, have a nice evening desktopers! [16:54] see ya seb128 [16:56] bye seb128! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:14] Valid candidate [20:01] willcooke, hi [20:01] morning robert_ancell [20:04] desrt, did you happen to look at that snapd-glib sync code? [20:11] robert_ancell, public holiday in US and Canada today (Monday [20:11] ) [20:12] damn! [21:52]