[02:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:45] <OerHeks> morning lotuspsychje :-)
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> hey there OerHeks & Bashing-om
[02:48] <Bashing-om> Hey hey lotuspsychje ! Good help has arrived .
[02:49] <OerHeks> Yes, put some buns in the oven!
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/kde-software-store-to-soon-offer-downloads-in-snap-flatpak-and-appimage-formats-507942.shtml
[04:53] <OerHeks> snap + flatpack?
[04:53] <OerHeks> i'd love to see those bite eachother
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:23] <ducasse> \o
[06:26] <OerHeks> hi ducasse
[06:26] <ducasse> morning OerHeks, how are you today?
[06:27] <OerHeks> New week, new chances, so pretty good. how about you?
[06:29] <ducasse> i'm ok, thanks. got my teacup, trying to pry my eyes open :)
[06:29] <OerHeks> sometimes water helps .. not hot tea!
[06:30] <EriC^^> morning
[06:30] <OerHeks> heya EriC^^
[06:30] <EriC^^> hey OerHeks
[06:31] <ducasse> EriC^^, wb
[06:31] <EriC^^> ty ducasse
[06:31] <ducasse> EriC^^: decided which laptop you're getting?
[06:31] <EriC^^> not yet, tough call this one :)
[06:32] <ducasse> i know :) i agonized over my last machine purchase :)
[06:32] <EriC^^> :)
[06:33] <OerHeks> What machine/specs is that, ducasse ?
[06:34] <ducasse> it's an i7 4790k, 32gb ram, 2xsamsung 850 evo
[06:34] <ducasse> bought it just as skylake was coming out, but it had too many problems at the time
[06:35] <OerHeks> now skylake is old ..
[06:36] <ducasse> it makes no difference to me, that desktop is plenty fast for everything i do.
[06:36] <ducasse> got an old core 2 duo, even that is usable as a desktop with an ssd.
[08:10] <EriC^^> if you dd an iso using bs=4M, then you put the usb in again it says
[08:11] <EriC^^> Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes. and it gives the size of the disk wrong, running dd with bs=512 for a little fixes it
[08:11] <EriC^^> i wonder how that could be avoided if you wanted to dd an iso but keep a large bs to it transfers quicker
[08:11] <EriC^^> *so it
[08:14] <ducasse> hmm, interesting.
[08:15] <EriC^^> when it says the driver descriptor, it means the actual firmware of the usb?
[08:16] <EriC^^> running it with bs=512 did fix it though, so that's odd
[08:17] <EriC^^> brb, want to test the new 36 kernel to see if suspend issues are working
[08:23] <EriC^^> suspend working on the 36 kernel :D
[08:24] <ducasse> \o/
[08:29] <ducasse> dammit, why can't mikrotik fix their bloody mailing list? i've subscribed twice, and i still don't get notified of new releases.
[09:00] <OerHeks> oh yeah, i forgot, mate does not have a software center???
[09:01] <Ben64> i think it does
[09:02] <OerHeks> nope, just reading in #ubuntu, and i encouterd this before ?
[09:06] <Ben64> could have sworn it was on my mom's computer when i installed mate
[09:07] <OerHeks> muon  perhaps?
[09:07] <Ben64> maybe
[09:08] <OerHeks> software-boutique, fancy
[09:08] <Ben64> quite.
[09:09] <OerHeks> boujour, pretemps toujour avec paturain
[09:48] <daftykins> o0
[09:55] <ducasse> \o daftykins
[09:58] <daftykins> good morning!
[09:59]  * ducasse is playing with weston today
[09:59]  * ducasse likes
[10:01] <daftykins> hmm not familiar
[10:01] <daftykins> i'm playing with these - http://imgur.com/a/PojKC
[10:01] <daftykins> :D
[10:02] <ducasse> weston is the reference wayland compositor (wm)
[10:03] <ducasse> oooh, looky nice! i've only got a peir of old kef's.
[10:03] <ducasse> *pair
[10:04] <ducasse> weston is super silky smooth, far beyond x11. if this is representative of how wayland will be, i can't wait.
[10:13] <daftykins> :>
[10:13] <Ben64> that wiring
[10:13] <daftykins> my only issue is how little i'll know how to support it
[10:13] <daftykins> Ben64: hah yeah, some cat6 UTP out of the box and stripped XD
[10:14] <daftykins> i bought the setup yesterday with no wires from the seller so i improvised ;D
[10:14] <Ben64> i got monoprice speakers :)
[10:14] <daftykins> i read monoprice do some nice 12 gauge speaker wire! but they're nowhere near me of course, being where i am
[10:15] <Ben64> i have yet to get something from them that hasn't been great
[10:15] <Ben64> 5.1 speakers, sound fantastic
[10:32] <ducasse> daftykins: is that a nad receiver/amp?
[10:39] <daftykins> yes sir
[10:39] <OerHeks> awesome, pokemon-rootkit http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/
[10:39] <daftykins> the C 315 BEE
[10:40] <daftykins> both it and the wharfedale speakers got 5 stars in tonnes of reviews :O
[10:40] <daftykins> i paid £160 for the lot, but they would've been £330 new
[10:42] <ducasse> my first amp was a nad 3020, a classic today. had lots of nad gear over the years, always been extremely happy with it.
[10:42] <daftykins> oh yeah i saw pics of that one when i was hunting around about this one
[10:43] <daftykins> i got a CD unit from the seller as well but i've not even bothered plugging it in XD
[10:43] <ducasse> looking at a small digital amp now, was thinking of connecting it to my desktop and running mpd to control the music.
[10:43] <daftykins> ah i've used optical from my PC into speakers for over 15 years now
[10:44] <daftykins> switched to digital coaxial for a bit, then i couldn't get it for the skylake build so went back to optical
[10:45] <ducasse> i've got some kef bookshelf speakers, fairly good. this amp can drive regular speakers, so all i'll need is to drill a hole in the wall for the optical cable :)
[10:46] <daftykins> huzzah, the guy that delivers Dell stuff has the latest XPS13 for me \o/
[10:46] <daftykins> most recently ordered that is, i'm sure there's a Kaby Lake one getting announced soon
[10:47] <ducasse> yay! i'd love one of those :)
[10:47] <daftykins> i'm typing from mine now 8D lovely machines
[10:48] <ducasse> got a nasty old hp laptop, but all it does is run terminals with ssh/tmux sessions, plus a browser.
[10:49] <ducasse> how much are you getting the xps13 for?
[10:52] <daftykins> this one is the i5, 8GB, 256GB SSD and 1920x1080 res screen model for £580 delivered on dell's outlet page, where they do the refurished ones
[10:52] <daftykins> but i got another 10% off there from a voucher on the site - and we don't have VAT here so 20% off vs. England for example
[10:53] <ducasse> that's not bad, they're nice machines.
[10:53] <daftykins> yeah, same model is £999 on the site usually i think
[10:54] <daftykins> i always watch the outlet when someone tells me they want a machine :D i sold this client one by just showing him mine
[10:55] <ducasse> outside my budget, unfortunately :) been thinking of getting a used thinkpad or something.
[11:06] <Ben64> i found a bunch of cheap laptops on overstock
[11:06] <Ben64> $300 for i5
[11:11] <daftykins> yeah but which generation
[11:11] <daftykins> we're already on the 7th :>
[11:11] <Ben64> slightly older but still
[11:11] <Ben64> pop in an ssd and it'd be good
[11:11] <daftykins> i'm selling my sandybridge i5 asus with 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD for £250 to a local mate
[11:12] <Ben64> sounded expensive at first but since thats almost $250 that sounds good
[11:12] <Ben64> i still think $*2=£
[11:13] <daftykins> heh, i still think of £1 to $1.50 which was a nice rate
[11:13] <Ben64> it was about 2 when i was there last
[11:13] <Ben64> want to go sometime next year
[11:14] <Ben64> hard to get friends to commit to a trip
[11:14] <daftykins> indeed!
[11:14] <daftykins> i'm heading over to the US on Thursday
[11:14] <Ben64> ooh what for
[11:14] <Ben64> and where
[11:15] <daftykins> visiting a few folks around that i know from IRC etc, heading into Colorado to do some hiking in Rocky Mountain National Park to start :)
[11:15] <Ben64> hp probook with phenom 2 x4 for $192
[11:16] <Ben64> great for basic stuff...
[11:16] <Ben64> daftykins: sounds fun
[11:16] <daftykins> i never liked AMD mobile chips
[11:16] <Ben64> their APUs are a better deal
[11:17] <daftykins> hrmm this Dell is giving me a real hard time booting in EFI mode, seems they've borked their own BIOS
[11:18] <Ben64> sandy bridge i5 notebook $290
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:32] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[11:34] <ducasse> BluesKaj: have you tested yakkety yet? thinking of upgrading my laptop.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, I've been testing yakkety for a while , after the beta 1 release I had a problem with network-manager not recognizing my NIC ethernet connection  no matter what I tried , so I reverted to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head and the /etc/network/interfaces file settings with static IP in my LAN
[11:40] <BluesKaj> ducasse, ^
[11:41] <ducasse> i use nm with wifi on this laptop, will need to see if that causes problems.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> I haven'r seen and other complainys about it in the dev chats so I might be fixed by now
[11:42] <BluesKaj> complaints
[11:43] <ducasse> ok, thanks for the heads up. i'm playing with wayland, so i need newer packages of tons of stuff.
[11:43] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried yakkety on my laptop , sticking with Xenial for now
[11:44] <BluesKaj> which desktop?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> ducasse, I'm on KDE/Plasma DE so your experience may be different for sure
[11:49] <ducasse> i'm using i3, installed a minimal install from the server image and just added what i need.
[11:49] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:50] <ducasse> i really want to get sway - http://swaywm.org - working but xenial is too old already.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> how's wayland working out ?
[11:52] <ducasse> i'm actually impressed, just set up weston earlier today and it's super smooth.
[11:53] <ducasse> it's NOT ready for daily use, though. lots of x11 stuff doesn't work as it should.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> so wayland needs a compositor like kwin on kde \
[11:59] <ducasse> a wayland compositor includes both the compositor and the wm, on x11 they can be two different programs.
[11:59] <ducasse> aiui, at least.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, kwin is an integrated compositor
[12:00] <ducasse> yep, some are. i use compton + i3 on x11, though.
[12:03] <ducasse> but if wayland today is representative of what it will be like in the future, then i'm very happy. there are some technical decisions i don't agree with, but overall it looks good.
[12:05] <daftykins> just tell me where wayland.conf is and i'll be set for another bunch of years support ;)
[12:08] <ducasse> daftykins: ~/.config/weston.ini - depends on the compositor :)
[12:09] <daftykins> and so the learning from scratch begins again!
[12:09] <daftykins> not sure i'll be able to learn that one though since i don't use a desktop Linux
[12:11] <ducasse> i decided to take a look at wayland, just can't think of any reasons to take mir seriously.
[12:11] <daftykins> nah i'd rather see standardisation, but typical FOSS - plenty of choice
[12:11] <daftykins> and in that particular case, no reason to have it
[12:12] <ducasse> i think they'll have to give up on mir at some point, nobody else is showing any interest at all.
[12:12] <daftykins> even made intel angry :D
[12:13] <ducasse> aiui, they flat-out insulted the devs and insisted they take on patches for their one-customer project...
[12:14] <daftykins> haha
[12:15] <ducasse> patches that intel would then have to maintain, so i can see why they got angry.
[12:15] <daftykins> Dear intel, Charity help please. Signed, Canonical
[12:16] <ducasse> dear canonical, sod off. signed, intel.
[12:16] <daftykins> :)
[12:16] <daftykins> that was a delightfully British reply!
[12:16] <ducasse> watched too much british tv, probably :)
[12:17] <ducasse> (anf thought the f-word was a bit harsh)
[12:17] <ducasse> *and
[12:18] <ducasse> i get that canonical want to control the stack, the problem is that nobody else wants that :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> think canonical figured they would start a movement to mir and some how profit from it ...just a guess why elswe would they go against wayland and weston
[12:25] <ducasse> mir is under that horrid cla thingy, wayland is under mit.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> shuttleworth's ego got in the way of logic with mir IMO
[12:26] <ducasse> possibly, i don't know if he's actually making technical decisions on that level.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> ok , cia and mit ?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> ducasse, he must be , that's kind of major
[12:28] <ducasse> cla is canonical's "community licence", which basically says they own the code and can close it if they please. mit is the same licence x11 is under, the bsd licence.
[12:28]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:29] <ducasse> if he _is_ making these decisions, i wonder if he is qualified to do so...
[12:30] <BluesKaj> well he did develop a 250 million dollar software company ...he must have some technical expertise besides business sense
[12:32] <ducasse> i honestly have no idea, mir just seems like a very bad idea. but that's just my perspective, i don't know what canonical knows etc.
[12:32] <ducasse> in my view it would just make sense to join everyone else and develop wayland.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> I'm sure canonical knows that wayland was the way of the future but thought they could out flank it bu promoting mir and monetize it somehow
[12:34] <BluesKaj> bu=by
[12:35] <ducasse> i think they want mir to have control over the ubuntu touch stack, in case that goes big. i could be wrong.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> somehow being the operative word ..pie in the sky :-)
[12:36] <ducasse> they mad a big fuss about being able to use android graphics drivers, but the library they used was developed for wayland :)
[12:36] <ducasse> *made
[12:36] <BluesKaj> doubt that ubuntu phones are going anywhere , they're way too late in the game
[12:37] <ducasse> probably. it would be nice with another big player, though.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big phone user ...I use mine as a phone mostly, check my email via wifi and take a few pics now and then. The data option is turned off.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> cell phone data rates are extrremely high in Canada
[12:40] <ducasse> me neither, just voice and sms. last month i used 13mb data.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> it's nothing to have a 200buck phone bill here
[12:41] <BluesKaj> cell phone bill
[12:41] <ducasse> wow, that's 10 times what i pay...
[12:43] <BluesKaj> if you use the data option, but we pay $16/mos ...pay as we go plan
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 200bucks is why the users who are addicted to their phones, can't spend more than 5 mins in a conversation with anyone without pulling the phone out and checking their "messages"
[12:46] <BluesKaj> and it's not just younger people
[12:56] <daftykins> oh look there's a zombie... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Adobe-Will-Update-Linux-Flash
[13:01] <ducasse> urgh, just die already.
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, can't understand the reluctance by webmasters to adopt html5 ..is it that much work ?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ok, installed the new flash 23 beta plugin and it works, even on a site that always indicated that i needed to update or install flashpalyer
[13:40] <OerHeks> new flash 23 beta plugin ??
[13:41] <OerHeks> ... scary ...
[13:41] <BluesKaj> wonder if it works on raspian ..I won't know til the sdcard arrives
[13:41] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:41] <OerHeks> maybe you are powned by the new pokemon-rootkit-botnet-trouble
[13:42] <OerHeks> http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/
[13:42] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, well we have to work with what's available...webmasters don't seem to want to convert to HTML5 so what eslae can we do
[13:43] <OerHeks> fire that webmaster .... no, wait .. fire @ webmaster!
[13:43] <OerHeks> he must convert, as all browsers give the banana to jack this year.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> my arm system is disabled atm , my sdcard crapped out so i ordered new one
[13:45] <BluesKaj> gonna move root to a usb stick and just use the sdcard for booting the raspi3
[13:47] <OerHeks> You don't have a spare ext hdd ?
[13:47] <OerHeks> there is a bootloader for that.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> yes I have spare hdd, but it's an ide
[13:50] <BluesKaj> my sata 1TB WD died as did my sata250GB WD
[13:50] <BluesKaj> no more WDs for me
[13:50] <OerHeks> :-(
[13:52] <BluesKaj> but a 64Gb usb will work just fine on the rasbpi I thiink
[13:52] <OerHeks> err.. rasp 3?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> raspberrypi 3
[13:53] <daftykins> you can't pin two fails on a whole brand :)
[13:53] <daftykins> every brand sucks as much as the next nowadays!
[13:53] <OerHeks> oh oke, that supports 64 gb
[13:55] <BluesKaj> well seagte used to have poor rep for qualityin my price range so i stuck with WD all thses yrs, now my old seagate 160Gb ide drive from 2005 is still working
[13:56] <OerHeks> seagate has a very low failure
[13:58] <BluesKaj> my Samsung EVO 850 ssd is great so far replacing the 250 WD that died last yr
[14:05] <daftykins> seagate have dropped to a 2 year warranty here :( i won't even consider that
[16:22] <Guest40251> Good moring
[16:23] <Guest40251> does anyone use Ubuntu Server? I have Amahi and thinking of switching thoughts?
[16:35] <ducasse> amahi? never heard of.
[16:41] <Guest40251> its rund son fedora, amahi.org
[16:44] <ducasse> Guest40251: no idea about that, i set up what i need myself.
[16:46] <Guest40251> what do you use
[16:47] <Guest40251> Im currently running plex and file back up, what do you recomend
[16:49] <ducasse> i have a zfs file server serving files over nfs, attic for backup and kodi for media.
[16:51] <Guest40251> Ok, what is the OS that you run?
[16:53] <ducasse> ubuntu 16.04
[16:54] <Guest40251> destop side or server side?
[16:55] <ducasse> everything, except the rpi that runs kodi, it runs openelec.
[16:57] <Guest40251> ok, so running the server side for plex and file back up will do the trick and i have one stand alone tower and then everybodys personel computers
[16:58] <ducasse> i have no windows machines, though, so i don't need samba etc.
[17:00] <Guest40251> alright, i have 4 windows pc, that need to talk to the server
[17:03] <ducasse> then you will need samba.
[17:03] <Guest40251> does ubuntu allow for disk pooling, is there web acesses since their no qui or is it all cmd line
[17:08] <ducasse> there's no real admin gui, the best way (imo) is command line. but i've been using linux for 25 years or so, so i'm familiar with it.
[17:10] <Guest40251> im defenently a newbie have only been using linux for about a year, I just want a reliable home server to stream all my media (through plex) and back up / share files
[17:12] <ducasse> Guest40251: then something like amahi or openmediavault might be a good choice. i don't know much about them.
[17:17] <Guest40251> amahi is what im running now, it has worked well but has crashed a couple of times in the last year for no reason. I understand that they need up keep, but it some how has randomly deleted the the samba log file and now i cant get to my files
[17:18] <ducasse> look at their web page where their support channels are, this is not a support channel.
[17:18] <Guest40251> Im going have to reinstall it so i was just looking at other distros to see if they are better to switch over to
[17:19] <Guest40251> oh i have been, i understand that. I wasnt asking for it
[17:19] <ducasse> i've heard good things about freenas and openmediavault, but freenas is very picky about hardware.
[17:19] <Guest40251> just explaining the situation, if i need to reinstall i should look around and see other option
[17:19] <ducasse> rockstor looks interesting, too.
[17:20] <Guest40251> openmedia vault and plex dont work well but ill look at rockstor
[17:20] <Guest40251> thank you
[17:29] <ducasse> i would look if your system can run freenas, it has a really good reputation.
[18:16] <Ben64> why do people always come in from the same ip and talk to each other :|
[18:23] <OerHeks> just playing the fool.
[18:24] <Ben64> my theory ... it's a school thing, they connect to irc to chat secretly in class, but they should have their own channel for it
[18:34] <dax> that's usually what it is
[18:48] <daftykins> Ben64: first one is the idiot with the problem being goaded into trying Linux, then the second one is the one that knows just enough to be dangerous and is trying to get the other to use it
[18:48] <daftykins> :)
[18:48] <daftykins> EriC^^: o/
[18:48] <EriC^^> daftykins: hello o/
[18:49] <EriC^^> how's it going this evening?
[18:50] <daftykins> not bad thanks! just been tidying up the new stereo - also got another Dell XPS13 9350 to spruce up for a client before i leave :) how's you? did you take any night photos in the end?
[18:50] <EriC^^> nice
[18:50] <EriC^^> i'm ok thanks, not yet
[18:52] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/pgYiy
[18:53] <EriC^^> that is sweet
[18:54] <EriC^^> holy crap
[18:55] <EriC^^> is that a cd player?
[18:55] <daftykins> yeah the guy was selling the deck as well for cheap so i thought why not
[18:56] <daftykins> £170 for the lot
[18:56] <daftykins> (not the logitech squeezebox on top though, i owned that already)
[18:56] <EriC^^> cool
[18:56] <daftykins> ah the quality is amazing :>
[18:56] <EriC^^> i want to get something set up like that for the balcony
[18:56] <EriC^^> currently have a really really old aiwa stereo
[18:57] <daftykins> ah yeah
[18:57] <daftykins> i was using my little minidisc + CD micro system before, in this pic lower left - http://i.imgur.com/8FajIHx.jpg
[18:57] <daftykins> just a toy in comparison XD
[18:58] <EriC^^> :D
[18:59] <EriC^^> what's that thing to the right that's metallic?
[18:59] <EriC^^> it's so interesting
[18:59] <daftykins> whereabouts?
[18:59] <EriC^^> like a light switch?
[18:59] <daftykins> oh yep
[18:59] <daftykins> just the room light yeah
[19:00] <EriC^^> aha
[19:00] <EriC^^> never seen that one before
[19:00] <daftykins> pretty much 100% what the previous owner had when i moved in
[19:00] <EriC^^> you guys have different door handles as well
[19:00] <EriC^^> they're all L-shaped here
[19:00] <daftykins> ours usually too, my house is 17th century built though
[19:01] <EriC^^> cool
[19:02] <EriC^^> someday i will visit london
[19:02] <EriC^^> or britain
[19:02] <daftykins> :)
[19:02] <daftykins> travel is fun, though i'm not looking forward to the long flights
[19:03] <daftykins> as i'm off to the US on Thursday
[19:03] <EriC^^> oh really?
[19:03] <EriC^^> where abouts to int he US?
[19:03] <EriC^^> *in the
[19:03] <ducasse> daftykins: looks like i'll be ordering the digital amp i found today tomorrow \o/
[19:04] <daftykins> :D
[19:04] <ducasse> now i just need a smart music player...
[19:04] <daftykins> EriC^^: Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado... Kansas City for a baseball game, Houston, Texas for a couple of days, then the very northern tip of Michigan :>
[19:05] <EriC^^> oh wow
[19:05] <daftykins> i apologise in advance if when i get back at the end of September, i complain about planes loads ;)
[19:06] <EriC^^> yeah that flight can be tiring
[19:06] <EriC^^> and the jet lag too
[19:06] <ducasse> melatonin ftw
[19:09] <EriC^^> :D
[19:11] <daftykins> well you know the hours i keep ;) east coast US time already!
[19:11] <ducasse> hehe - "more better performance" :)
[19:11] <EriC^^> haha
[19:11] <daftykins> make it more better!
[19:13] <ducasse> moar all the things!
[19:14] <ducasse> saw this the other day - æ
[19:14] <ducasse> saw this the other day - 'annomonesly'
[19:14] <ducasse> :)
[19:14] <daftykins> the symbol? in what context?
[19:15] <ducasse> ignore first attempt, hit æ+enter by mistake.
[19:15] <daftykins> ah
[19:16] <ducasse> i want to be annomones too!
[19:25] <daftykins> must be an annomones sea annemoneeee ;)
[19:29] <ducasse> !info wayland-protocols yakkety
[19:41] <ducasse> argh, i want to hurt something! damn thing refuses to build...
[19:42] <ducasse> too tired to make sense of this, going to get some sleep. night, all!
[21:01] <Bashing-om> !info mysql
[21:02] <Bashing-om> !info mysql-client
[22:39] <Bashing-om> !wily
[22:42] <Bashing-om> Is the wily repo still on-line ?
[22:47] <daftykins> everything is at old-releases. i think
[22:47] <daftykins> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:37] <Bashing-om> !info libyaml-libyaml-perl
[23:41] <Bashing-om> !info libdata-alias-perl
[23:44] <tanja_> thanks for that info Bashing-om
[23:45] <Bashing-om> tanja_: Hey . I hang with ya, see if you get to the bottom and the server back in service .
[23:47] <daftykins> (:
[23:48] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Loves his servers ! He too may be look'n over your shoulder .
[23:48] <tanja_> I actually think I will get the zfs pool up also I just want to be sure the server is uptodate first
[23:50] <daftykins> indeed no point dealing with external volumes until a host is current :>
[23:51] <tanja_> daftykins: specially because there is over 5 tb in that pool
[23:52] <daftykins> that's nothing versus modern standards
[23:54] <tanja_> true, but well if I shoud download that from amazon backup then I would say rip internet ( the server is atm on my home connection 80/20 mbit )
[23:54] <daftykins> were you the one running non-LTS? you'll want to avoid doing things like that
[23:56] <tanja_> yeah the old server were 12.10 because it were a cold offline storage, and only got network when the backup should be taken and it has this night been upgraded to 16.04 step by step
[23:57] <daftykins> ouch
[23:57] <daftykins> you don't mean the LTS, 12.04?
[23:57] <daftykins> being offline is even more reason not to run non-LTS (12.10 wasn't LTS)
[23:57] <daftykins> anyway, in the present now...
[23:58] <tanja_> it were 12.10 because that were the cd I had when i installed the server back in the days and yeah that were a huge mistake by the non lts