 @yofel @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk 
 
 Expect me to be offline a lot in the next weekish. Surgery on Friday, I need to catch up on sleep, and of course school. There's a small chance I'll be online during my lunch period at school, but there's also a good amount of non-Kubuntu work I need to make progress on in the next week that I've not done (Lubuntu stuff etc.). I'm not forgetting you guys, I just need a week (or maybe longer if there's complications from surgery
 
 Don't be afraid to ping if you need me to do anything specific, but I have a backlog, so it might be a delayed response time. :)
 
 o/
 No stress, @tsimonq2 ! Rest and recover
[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:05] <jimarvan> good morning!
 Hello
 yofel @yofel and @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie what's the current state of the KDevelop 5 packaging?
 We added it to KCI
 \o/
 http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdevelop/
 Both xx and yy are showing green
 Meant to ask Phil if we could setup an auto copying to a separate PPA
 Ie setup a kdevelop unstable PPA and auto copy the kdevelop tree into it on successful build
 So people like yourself who want latest kdevelop can add that PPA and not be affected by other unstable stuff
 Hm... that's possible alright, we have jobs to copy packages to the -ci/daily already. So adding another job for said kdevelop ppa should be doable.
 You could make a PPA on the kdevelop team on LP for that
 which I just see I'm the owner of... let me fix that
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 What have I done!
[13:00] <jimarvan> ? :D
[14:40] <clivejo_bearlin> allo
[14:41] <clivejo_bearlin> hi jimarvan 
[14:41] <clivejo_bearlin> where you been?
[14:42] <clivejo_bearlin> ive libertated chicken heads laptop
 @tsimonq2, Just read back that message Simon.  No worries at all. Stuff you have done the last few weeks has been invaluable
[14:43] <clivejo_bearlin> hi ircsomebot
[14:43] <clivejo_bearlin> aka acheronuk aka Rik
 Afternoon  clive :)
[14:44] <clivejo_bearlin> how are you?
 Better. Had a slight bug the last few days. Not bad bad, but gets you down a bit and makes you turn off somewhat
[14:48] <clivejo_bearlin> not been feeling great myself
[14:48] <clivejo_bearlin> and missing our HiPPO
[14:51] <acheronuk> Who is the Hippo? I must have missed that reference.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> sort of like the Walrus ?
[14:56] <acheronuk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2mLAajm7ZY
[15:05] <clivejo_bearlin> Highest person of Prestige in the Organisation
[15:06] <clivejo_bearlin> or maybe it was opinion
[15:06] <clivejo_bearlin> which I think is yofel
[15:06] <clivejo_bearlin> so hes our HiPPO
[15:08] <acheronuk> Ahhh!
[15:11] <clivejo_bearlin> hows Qt coming along?
[15:12] <clivejo_bearlin> been out of the loop for a while
[15:13] <clivejo_bearlin> Simon added it to KCI?
[15:13] <clivejo_bearlin> did it break much?
[15:13] <clivejo_bearlin> the list above is empty
[15:14] <acheronuk> Qt 5.7 you mean?
[15:14]  * clivejo_bearlin nods
[15:14] <acheronuk> surprisingly little
[15:16] <acheronuk> I uploaded a new pyqt5 so that it didn't break too much, but one it shaked down it was not bad at all
[15:18] <acheronuk> clivejo_bearlin: Not sure if he finished it for Xenial, as I had a grumpy moment when the YY version broke my KCI VM, I and I doubted the wisdom of Qt 5.7 yey 
[15:19] <acheronuk> Grrr. Not a great typing day. 
[15:19] <clivejo_bearlin> how did it break your YY ?
[15:22] <acheronuk> black screen and plasma not loading after sddm. even starting plasma in terminal did not work, and no sensible error message.
[15:22] <clivejo_bearlin> thats odd
[15:23] <acheronuk> but rolling back the VM and updating from an earlier snapshot got it working
[15:24] <acheronuk> I was just a bit annoyed until that worked, as I had taken quite some trouble to get KCI into a semi-installable state
[15:25] <acheronuk> I put it down to plasma oddness. It still has issues on some upgrades, so there you go
[15:26] <clivejo_bearlin> would sddm need built on Qt5.7?
[15:27] <clivejo_bearlin> no change build from source
[15:29] <acheronuk> I don't *think* so. It's the plasma deps that need the rebuild IIRC, which is why it sometimes wants to get removed on the QT bump
[15:29] <acheronuk> I am updating my KCI VM now
[15:29] <clivejo_bearlin> didnt KCI rebuild everything on Qt5.7?
[15:30] <acheronuk> not sddm for YY
[15:31] <acheronuk> not job for that http://kci.pangea.pub/view/yakkety%20FIX/search/?q=sddm
[15:31] <clivejo_bearlin> I meant the plasma stuffz
[15:32] <acheronuk> yes, that all rebuilt on YY. 
[15:34] <clivejo_bearlin> had the entire stack build on Qt5.7 when you upgraded?
[15:35] <acheronuk> clivejo_bearlin: yes, that was what was odd.
[15:37] <clivejo_bearlin> mmmm
[15:37] <acheronuk> as said, a roll back to a cleaner snapshot sorted it. so just random oddness I guess
[15:37] <clivejo_bearlin> have you retried since?
[15:38] <acheronuk> I just am
[15:39] <clivejo_bearlin> any chance you could add unstable PPA to one of your PPA's and rebuild sddm on it and see if thats the issue
[15:39] <clivejo_bearlin> only if you have time 
[15:40] <acheronuk> -> http://i.imgur.com/y8uszFO.jpg
[15:41] <acheronuk> as said, it's fine now, so I don't think it needs a rebuild
[15:43] <clivejo_bearlin> oh its working now?
[15:43] <acheronuk> [16:23] <acheronuk> but rolling back the VM and updating from an earlier snapshot got it working
[15:43] <acheronuk> yes
[15:44] <clivejo_bearlin> oh sorry, miss understood
[15:45] <acheronuk> I think it was just some plasma oddness
[15:45] <clivejo_bearlin> is PIM working in it?
[15:47] <acheronuk> kmail and korganiser/kontact start
[15:48] <acheronuk> I don't use them really, so can't say more than that
[15:49] <acheronuk> I guess now the KDE-PIM repo has split, that way not last long, as KCI needs those added
[15:49] <clivejo_bearlin> I foresee huge issues there
[15:50] <clivejo_bearlin> PIM want a user survey completed
[15:50] <acheronuk> Going to be a pain for a bit, that is certain
[15:51] <clivejo_bearlin> have you used wiki to learn at all?
[15:52] <acheronuk> I've look briefly. At the physics and maths pages
[15:52] <clivejo_bearlin> what are your thoughts?
[15:53] <acheronuk> The idea is great, but strikes me as a good idea that may run out of steam like so many do
[15:54] <clivejo_bearlin> dunno
[15:54] <clivejo_bearlin> lot of work going on here
[15:54] <clivejo_bearlin> and planning to implement KDE and Ubuntu Single Login to it
[15:55] <acheronuk> If there is some commitment to it, then fantastic.
[15:55] <clivejo_bearlin> seems to be
[15:55] <clivejo_bearlin> Im considering getting an account and trying to get packaging docs on there
[15:56] <acheronuk> Just so often you see these things, and 6 months later it's "What was that thing we tried?"
[15:56] <acheronuk> we need docs somewhere
[15:58] <clivejo_bearlin> yeah, I just dont know where is best
[15:58] <clivejo_bearlin> but these guys are really pushing /gearing towards students
[15:59] <soee_> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-12.0.2-Released
[15:59] <clivejo_bearlin> might be a nice way to get more eyes on it
[15:59] <clivejo_bearlin> take the black magic away from it
[16:00] <acheronuk> I would say the kde or ubuntu wiki, but neither are that great
[16:00] <clivejo_bearlin> ubuntu one is a distaster
[16:00] <clivejo_bearlin> kde I dont like the lay out
[16:01] <clivejo_bearlin> wiki to learn is mediawiki and supports templates and formatting which properly done could have a nicer look and feel, also easier to navigate etc
[16:01] <acheronuk> I saw the docs copied to the KDE one, and the formatting just did not work
[16:02] <clivejo_bearlin> yeah i hate the formatting
[16:02] <clivejo_bearlin> makes copying commnds from it very difficult
[16:04] <acheronuk> well, lacking a better alternative, and that I want them somewhere as least, then maybe W2L as a stopgap
[16:04] <clivejo_bearlin> also exporting tools for creating e-books
[16:05] <clivejo_bearlin> although I havent any experience using that
[16:05] <clivejo_bearlin> eak
[16:05] <clivejo_bearlin> crowds of people!
[16:06] <clivejo_bearlin> must be wrapping up
[16:06] <clivejo_bearlin> LOL
[16:06] <clivejo_bearlin> ovi and sitter having a staring contest
[16:07] <acheronuk> I've used LaTeX in distant past, but not recently.
[16:08] <acheronuk> As long as no power tools are in hand, it'll be fine :P
[16:08] <clivejo_bearlin> how does that work?
[16:10] <acheronuk> Document formatting language used a lot in science etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
[16:11] <clivejo_bearlin> where is it stored
[16:11] <acheronuk> It is (a) incredibly powerful and (b) a complete PITA
[16:12]  * mamarley nags acheronuk about an underfull hbox.
[16:13] <mamarley> ;)
[16:13] <acheronuk> mamarley: huh?
[16:13] <mamarley> It is a common error message from LaTeX that is rather meaningless and difficult to solve.
[16:14] <acheronuk> Oh. yes.
[16:14] <acheronuk> My PhD supervisor tried to make me use it, but I never really got on with it
[16:15] <clivejo_bearlin> what you do masters in?
[16:15] <acheronuk> Physics
[16:17] <clivejo_bearlin> acheronuk: remind me next week to look at kube
[16:18] <acheronuk> This? https://github.com/KDE/kube
[16:19] <blaze> ahem
[16:19] <blaze> when the apps gonna get pushed into the archive?
[16:19] <clivejo_bearlin> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kube.git
[16:20] <acheronuk> blaze: when we get a feature freeze exemption for them I guess
[16:20] <clivejo_bearlin> and convince someone to upload them
[16:21] <clivejo_bearlin> but yes we need to open a FFe for them
[16:23] <acheronuk> took so long to get the new QT 5.6 and plasma into YY that apps became a bit of a casualty
[16:24] <mamarley> It would also be nice to have Plasma 5.7.4 if possible. :)
[16:25] <clivejo_bearlin> it sure would
[16:26] <blaze> well, talking about Plasma, is it possible to apply some patches at least before release happens?
[16:26] <acheronuk> not sure if we can do point changes this close to release?
[16:26] <acheronuk> blaze: what specifically?
[16:27] <clivejo_bearlin> if it fixes a bug, yes open a bug report and submit a patch 
[16:27] <blaze> acheronuk: for example https://phabricator.kde.org/D2613
[16:27] <clivejo_bearlin> is it fixed in 5.7.4?
[16:27] <blaze> it's very annoying bug
[16:28] <blaze> not fixed til now
[16:29] <clivejo_bearlin> can you submit a merge request into the kubuntu_yakkety_archive for it?
[16:30] <blaze> not sure if I can, not sure if I know how to do this :)
[16:31] <clivejo_bearlin> best way is to find a patch and kinda copy it
[16:32] <clivejo_bearlin> for the correct formatting
[16:32] <clivejo_bearlin> blaze: you know how to use quilt to patch our packaging?
[16:33] <blaze> clivejo_bearlin: I did patched this package in my ppa, you can grab patch from there
[16:42] <acheronuk> So https://launchpadlibrarian.net/281704746/plasma-workspace_4%3A5.7.2-0ubuntu1_4%3A5.7.2-0ubuntu2~ppa1.diff.gz
[16:46] <blaze> acheronuk: yeah
[16:48] <acheronuk> blaze: our packaging is here https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace
[16:49] <blaze> okay
[16:49] <acheronuk> you could clone that, add your patch, push to your LP git space, and propose a merge
[16:50] <blaze> got it
 That is how I got going on here more or less. :)
[16:57] <clivejo_bearlin> sorry had to move
[16:57] <clivejo_bearlin> did i miss anything?
[16:58] <blaze> nothing of importance
[16:58] <blaze> acheronuk: I see :)
[16:58] <clivejo_bearlin> awww
 Just pointed blaze to our packaging so they can do a MP
[16:59] <clivejo_bearlin> :)
 Afternoon o/
 Lunch time at school
 What are you having?
[17:30] <acheronuk> Evening :)
 I want to get my homework done now so I don't have to bother later
 Sub sandw
 *sandwich
 I hate the placement of the enter key on this keyboard...
 All done
 The milk is disgusting but the sub was great :)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/R6rqSP0H/file_373.jpg
 o/ acheronuk
 Ok, Geometry homework time!
 o/
[17:34] <acheronuk> Geometry! 
 Great... 
 No Geometry homework for me!  I'm not allowed to go to my locker and get my Geometry book.
 Bah
[17:37] <clivejo_bearlin> does anyone know where the entry point for contributing to Kubuntu documentation is? 
[17:37] <clivejo_bearlin> ahoneybun: 
 /me kicks @ahoneybun
[17:38] <acheronuk> Fat free chocolate milk? That is a crime!
 Ik...
 It's disgusting
 But it's all I have
[17:39] <clivejo_bearlin> water!
 I've had the same milk every weekday for 5 years now 9 months out of the year, I'm sick of it
 They don't give me water for free
 I'd have to find a drinking fountain
 Or bubbler
 Whatever you want to call i:Pt
 *it :P
 So I wish clivejo_bearlin
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/V1Em61OX/file_375.jpg
 Too wet outside to go for a walk
 (I can, I have open campus lunch, it's high school, remember? :P)
[18:03] <soee_> ahoneybun: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/rocket-league-linux-download-rumble-update-september
 Finally!
[18:46] <soee> plasmashell 200MB, amarok 420 MB ....
[18:55] <ahoneybun> clivejo, if you know git: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[18:55] <ahoneybun> wiki stuff: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
[18:55] <blaze> acheronuk: should I update the changelog?
[18:55] <blaze> i guess not
[18:55] <ahoneybun> stop kicking me tsimonq2 
 Do you have manual / guide on
 How to contribute
 As in what area to work on or what?
 If a newbie wanted to help, how do they get involved
 A how to guide
 just send a PR with the changes
 I have a temp for how to make pages here: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/RST-Template.rst
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie to do what though, add translations, pages, fixes for grammar and typos?
 No @ahoneybun I won't stop kicking you. Lol
 To contribute whatever they want
 damn @tsimonq2
 I'm sure what is missing to contribute tbh
 *not sure
 @ahoneybun, /me kicks @ahoneybun
 Lol
 You mean the packaging docs clive?
 soee did you notice Saints Row IV is on Linux?
 yea if your talking about the packaging stuff its in there as well
 @ahoneybun what kind of game is that?
 A fun one
 Lol
 It has a action full funny game
[20:46] <clivejo_bearlin> im not a robot
[20:48] <acheronuk> we know
[20:48] <clivejo_bearlin> Im the crazy bottle man
[20:48] <acheronuk> If you say so
[20:49] <clivejo_bearlin> we cleaned up the venue of bottles and rubbish at the uni
[20:49] <clivejo_bearlin> I collected a rucksack full of bottles and took them to a machine
[20:49] <clivejo_bearlin> it spat them all back out at me
[20:51] <clivejo_bearlin> stupid recycling system
[20:53] <acheronuk> Doesn't sound very bright
[20:53] <clivejo_bearlin> it wasnt
[20:53] <tsimonq2> clivejo_bearlin: /nick clivejo_crazy_bottle_man
[20:53] <tsimonq2> lol
[20:54] <acheronuk> Berlin sounds odd
[20:55] <clivejo_bearlin> it is
[20:55] <clivejo_bearlin> theres bears everywhere
[20:55] <tsimonq2> LOL
[21:02] <clivejo_bearlin> the bears are on signs and in statues though!
[21:02] <clivejo_bearlin> no wild bears wandering the streets
[21:51]  * ahoneybun wonders why there is no right click in krunner
[21:54] <ahoneybun> oh nice we have a new update icon too
[21:54]  * tsimonq2 kicks ahoneybun 
[21:55]  * ahoneybun reminds tsimonq2 that he can really kick him
[21:57] <tsimonq2> hm?
[21:57] <ahoneybun> we have a version issue with cpp and gcc-6-base
[21:57] <ahoneybun> we need gcc-6-base-2ubuntu1 not 3ubuntu1
[22:00] <ahoneybun> this daily image is bad mm
[22:01] <tsimonq2> MMMMMM
[22:01] <ahoneybun> I can't test the ubiquity fixes from blaze
[22:01] <ahoneybun> gcc and cpp keep bumping heads
 :)