[00:05] <nuxil> #join #ubuntu
[00:51] <thenwkg> Anyone expirienced random hangs and crashes on KDE when runing a custom theme ( i am runing Arc Dark ) ?
[01:56] <momoe> Has KDE Connect been backported to 16.04 yet?
[01:56] <momoe> v1.0 I mean
[02:47] <solifugus> kubuntu has been having lots of really long pauses in responsiveness... any way to diagnose and fix?
[02:48] <solifugus> It's regardless of program or even the start menu..
[05:27] <pragomer_1> can I get unity's / gnome's / windows10's behaviour of opened program windows in KDE/Kubuntu? I mean not a window list but e.g. a dotted program launcher, you know what I mean?
[05:28] <hateball> !screenshot | pragomer_1
[05:29] <pragomer_1> for example http://imgur.com/a/pO8sL  chrome and terminal are opened..
[05:30] <pragomer_1> I have no further window list.. this also changed in windows from xp/vista to seven I think
[05:30] <pragomer_1> in kde I have window list (that takes space in panel)
[05:32] <pragomer_1> you see, this is my kde : http://imgur.com/a/tLLVt
[05:32] <pragomer_1> and I dont want the window list
[05:33] <hateball> well you can always remove the task manager plasmoid from your panel
[05:34] <hateball> perhaps I am not understanding what you are looking achieve
[05:34] <pragomer_1> yes.. but then I have no control about what is opened or not
[05:34] <pragomer_1> looking for launcher/openedprograms like in windows 7 / windows 10
[05:34] <pragomer_1> thats it
[05:35] <pragomer_1> because when having opened more than 10 windows the windows list on panel get very... mm... unadvantaged
[05:36] <hateball> pragomer_1: well you can change the grouping options
[05:36] <hateball> as well as showing only minimized programs
[05:37] <pragomer_1> yes thats right.. but I find windows and the other DE's (gnome/unity) also OsX solve that better
[05:37] <hateball> I dont use windows so I cant compare
[05:44] <SporkWitch> hateball: it's icon-only in win7 and later
[05:46] <hateball> that sounds pretty terrible
[05:47] <SporkWitch> eh, it works well when the icons are distinct and you know them.  It's mostly nice for launchers, since the launcher button itself becomes that window's button on the taskbar (as opposed to the somewhat buggy behaviour in kde5, where the launcher button is hidden and everything shifts over, giving a normal taskbar entry for the application in question)
[05:48] <hateball> hmmm
[05:48] <SporkWitch> (i say buggy, as i've had a few occasions recently where the area with the launchers, instead of shrinking, expands, and you have to kill and restart plasmashell to get things behaving again)
[05:49] <hateball> guess I just dont have that workflow then
[05:49]  * hateball uses hotkeys and krunner exclusively
[05:49] <SporkWitch> (then again, plasmashell in general seems pretty unstable lately, regularly locking up and requiring me to kill it and restart it)
[05:50] <hateball> are you using 16.04 without kubuntu backports ppa?
[05:50] <SporkWitch> 16.04 WITH the backports
[05:50] <hateball> :|
[05:50] <hateball> Well, let's hope for 16.10.
[05:50] <pragomer_1> yes. this is the right word for it: icon-only-taskbar.. I know there used to be a plugin..
[05:50] <SporkWitch> it's been nothing but hell since 16.04, but steam and a few others don't seem to behave well on 14.04 anymore, so i couldn't even revert :(
[05:51] <SporkWitch> it looks like the driver wizard (for finding GPU drivers) is finally fixed though lol
[05:51] <hateball> well, if you're playing games you most likely use the nvidia ppa anyhow
[05:52] <SporkWitch> as far as 16.10, i haven't run a non-LTS since 8, and as unstable and buggy as 16.04 has been, i don't even want to see 16.10
[05:52] <SporkWitch> what i'm seeing i most of the bug reports and mailing lists is that most of these problems have been around since 15.04 or 15.10, too
[05:52] <SporkWitch> so it's not like they're new or weren't known
[05:53] <SporkWitch> (and some of my bigger gripes are DELIBERATE, like the crippling of region/locale settings and virtual desktops)
[05:56] <SporkWitch> in any case, as far as the icon-only taskbar thing windows does, it's nice for consistency.  You've got a launcher button in a specific spot, that is ALWAYS where you click for that application, whether it's running or not.  Whatever else you start up or that opens, those programs you set launchers for are always where you originally put them.  They're also pretty necessary, considering how
[05:57] <SporkWitch> horrible their start menu is now; it's better than the start screen, but not by much, you've got a tonne of wasted space, can't have "favourites" anymore, and instead have to have these ENORMOUS tiles for shortcuts.  You also can't create custom folders (or if you can, it's buried well), so the "all programs" menu is a nightmare too.
[05:57] <SporkWitch> basically, MSFT is continuing their determined efforts to drive people away from Windows :)
[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning/
[07:52] <SporkWitch> prove it
 @sporkwitch -- you know you can right-click on the launcher icon for various alternatives?
[08:27] <SporkWitch> IrcsomeBot: prepending symbols to names breaks highlights.  Yes I knew that.  No you can't in windows, which was what was being referenced at the time.
[10:39] <yossarianuk> hi - how do I get my wlan connection to take priority over my ethernet (bridged connection) ?
[10:40] <yossarianuk> I have setup my bridge (br0) using nmtui as the normal gui (network-manager qt?) didn't work when altering connections when 16.04 first came out - I have configured my wlan using normal network-manager
[10:41] <yossarianuk> in fact the gui cannot see my bridge at all (I can see it with nmtui, etc)
[10:41] <yossarianuk> if I do a 'ip route' I see my bridge has the metric value=425, and my wlan metric value=600
[10:42] <yossarianuk> how can I change so that wlan has a lower metric value ?
[10:42] <yossarianuk> I can't use /etc/network/interfaces as then I will lose network manager on the interface
[10:45] <yossarianuk> i.e - my question is - using network maanger how can I change the metric value of an interface (so that wlan takes priority over br0)
[10:47] <nuxil> hello
[10:47] <nuxil> anyone around?
[10:48] <yossarianuk> about 260 (ish) people
[10:49] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Nothing about the metrics when editing the bridge slave connection with nmcli?
[10:52] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Probably the bridge port priority.
[10:54] <yossarianuk> lordievader: nmcli worked - I used 'nmcli connection modify uuid [UUID] ipv4.route-metric 400, I needed to restart network-manager after - and that is now working
[11:15] <nuxil> my dvd rom isnt working in linux... how can i fix it? it will not read dvd's at all. in windoes it did work fine.
[11:16] <nuxil> i tried installing all this libdvd stuff. but for no good
[11:30] <nuxil> can anyone help me with grub ?
[11:31] <nuxil> i just noticed that grub didnt include windoes in the menu,, so now i cant boot back to windoes.
[11:31] <Smurphy> Hmmm. Any knows why the direction keys don't work in kmail anymore ? In the mail-list ?
[11:31] <nuxil> *windows
[11:31] <Smurphy> nuxil: It usually adds it.
[11:32] <nuxil> Smurphy: it didnt
[11:33] <hateball> nuxil: can you run "sudo update-grub" manually and see if it can find it?
[11:33] <hateball> nuxil: did you get a kernel upgrade when this happened?
[11:34] <nuxil> hateball: it didnt find it. no.. it became like this after i installed kubuntu last night.
[11:34] <hateball> nuxil: so the machine only had a windows install previously, no dual boot?
[11:34] <nuxil> i had ubuntu too before.
[11:35] <nuxil> and it worked then
[11:35] <nuxil> my windows is on a set of raid disks. raid0
[11:36] <nuxil> dont know if thats the issue
[11:36] <hateball> nuxil: think you'll need to detail your setup a bit more so we dont have to guess
[11:36] <hateball> nuxil: what does "sudo fdisk -l" say?
[11:36] <nuxil> hateball: ok.. what you do need to know ?
[11:36] <hateball> !paste
[11:37] <hateball> nuxil: can you see the ntfs partition from within *ubuntu ?
[11:37] <hateball> if this is windows 10, I recall there being some issue with it using some... low power mode instead of truly shutting down
[11:37] <Smurphy> if it is in raid0, I doubt it. Probably using some weird crap Windows raid stuff.
[11:38] <hateball> suppose that might prevent grub OS-probing working properly
[11:38] <nuxil> hateball: https://paste.kde.org/phyez6mfl
[11:38] <nuxil> but why did it work before ?
[11:38] <nuxil> with ubuntu
[11:40] <nuxil> Smurphy: i can see all windows disks in kde
[11:40] <Smurphy> Even in Raid0 ???
[11:40] <nuxil> yea
[11:41] <hateball> if it's hardware raid that's OS independent
[11:41] <nuxil> the raid is setup in the bios
[11:41] <hateball> nuxil: did you tr running "sudo upgrade-grub" yet?
[11:41] <nuxil> hateball: yea i did
[11:41] <nuxil> hateball: didnt see any new things added
[11:42] <hateball> nuxil: you checked /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[11:42] <Smurphy> nuxil: You have a dedicated Raid_Card, or is it a mainboard feature ? In that it is probably a fake-raid, which is crap.
[11:42] <nuxil> Smurphy: its no fake. its rog motherboard.
[11:42] <hateball> there's obviously nothing wrong with the raid since the devices are visible
[11:42] <nuxil> hateball: yea i took a look in it.
[11:42] <nuxil> but that config is weird
[11:42] <nuxil> dont understand it
[11:43] <hateball> nuxil: mind pasting it?
[11:43] <nuxil> https://paste.kde.org/p3yzvk78l
[11:45] <nuxil> i never remembered grub configs beeing like this. i remember they used to be simple.
[11:46] <hateball> nuxil: well you have  abunch of scripts in /etc/grub.d/ that determine what gets put in grub.cfg
[11:46] <hateball> thats why it looks messy
[11:46] <Smurphy> nuxil: You boot using UEFI or BIOS ?
[11:46] <nuxil> Smurphy: bios
[11:46] <hateball> as you can see you have 30_os-prober which is supposed to find other OS and dump there
[11:46] <Smurphy> Windows 10 allows you to boot through BIOS ???
[11:47] <hateball> I thought windows 10 was EFI only
[11:47] <Smurphy> Just type in: efibootmgr
[11:47] <Smurphy> and let us know what the listing looks like.
[11:47] <nuxil> this mobo dosent have efi
[11:47] <nuxil> its bios.
[11:47] <hateball> so it's win7 then?
[11:47] <nuxil> no. its windoes 10
[11:48] <nuxil> efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
[11:48] <Smurphy> ok.
[11:48] <hateball> oh well, dualboots is not really my area. certainly not windows 10
[11:48] <Smurphy> I had tripple boot on Mac's back in time.
[11:49] <nuxil> :\
[11:49] <Smurphy> IMHO, it doesn't find the boot-flag in the Windows partitions.
[11:49] <nuxil> i dont know what to do.
[11:49] <nuxil> :(
[11:49] <Smurphy> delete windows. You don't need it.
[11:49] <Smurphy> No one needs windows.
[11:49] <nuxil> but i do.
[11:49] <hateball> that's not very helpful advice
[11:49] <hateball> nuxil: suppose you could open partition manager and make sure the windows partition is marked as bootable, like Smurphy says
[11:49] <hateball> but I am not sure grub cares about that
[11:50] <hateball> !fixgrub
[11:50] <Smurphy> Boot flag is set. /dev/sdc1  *            63 1023999164 1023999102 488,3G  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[11:50] <Smurphy> I suppose it's the Raid that it does not like.
[11:50] <nuxil> hm
[11:51] <nuxil> so how do i change that to example sda ?
[11:51] <Alex_Kubuntu> hi everone, I just install kubuntu 16.04 and I'm looking for few things that I cannot find anymore, the bonjour protocol managed by telepathy for example, there is a way to inslatt it ?
[11:51] <hateball> nuxil: isnt sdc your windows drive?
[11:52] <nuxil> nop
[11:52] <nuxil> wait
[11:54] <nuxil> umm.. i dont know.. the 2 disks in raid0 thats on windows suppose to be 250gb.
[11:54] <nuxil> so i guess its sda
[11:54] <nuxil> sda & sdb
[11:55] <hateball> well it's weird that you have no sda then
[11:56] <nuxil> there is a boot flag set on sda1 and on sdc1
[11:56] <nuxil> i guess its using the sdc one
[11:56] <hateball> guess you could try livebooting something like supergrubdisk and see if that picks everything up
[11:57] <hateball> or perhaps ask in #ubuntu since it's not kde/plasma specific, might be more people that know about dualbooting there
[11:58] <nuxil> :( what a mess this grub thingy is.
[11:58] <nuxil> oh well
[11:58] <nuxil> thanks for your help anyway
[11:58] <nuxil> i need to go away from this pc before i start hitting it.
[12:03] <nuxil> this grub thing in ubuntu is just just bs and spaghetti coding. . files all over the place. in /boot/grub/ in /etc/grub.d in /etc/default/grub
[12:03] <nuxil> im sure there are more places i havent found yet.
[12:03] <Smurphy> raid0 is stripped raid. means you have only have the information on one disk. You need to mount the raid - and that will probably show up in /degv/md? - that grub will recognize.
[12:03] <Smurphy> Right now - all it sees is broken crap.
[12:03] <nuxil> Smurphy: my disks gets loaded fine.
[12:04] <nuxil> i have no problem mounting my windoes disk(s)
[12:04] <nuxil> *windows
[12:04] <Smurphy> nuxil: post the output of "dmesg" please. Then we'll see if they get posted fine.
[12:04] <nuxil> its just this grub thing thats messed up
[12:05] <Smurphy> Currently, we see NTPFS on sdc and sda
[12:05] <nuxil> dmesg is a mile long
[12:05] <nuxil> it didnt get all in the console
[12:06] <hateball> nuxil: /var/log/dmesg
[12:06] <nuxil> woot'
[12:06] <hateball> hmmm
[12:06] <hateball> could swear it used to log there
[12:06] <hateball> perhaps that is gone with systemd
[12:06] <nuxil> cat /var/log/dmesg
[12:07] <nuxil> (Nothing has been logged yet.)
[12:07] <hateball> nuxil: just "dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.txt"
[12:07] <hateball> if you want to save it as a file for uploading
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:15] <momoe> Hi all, I have a Logitech keyboard with a media player button. I was wondering if there's a way to assign the button to open up my music player somehow?
[15:23] <SporkWitch> momoe: https://askubuntu.com/questions/90567/quickly-launch-any-app-in-kde-with-a-shortcut GIYF
[15:33] <momoe> @SporkWitch, ty I was looking for just that thing
[17:19] <SporkWitch> strange question, and having trouble figuring out a search string.  Somehow one of my machines using KDE got some nasty gnome crap on it, and even after removing everything I safely can without breaking dependencies on other stuff, firefox is now using some absolutely horrific, apparently gnome, file manager when selecting files for upload or where to save on download.  Where would i force it to use dolphin?
[17:23] <momoe> @SporkWitch, ty again, I think I got it working. The media key triggers Clemetine, but doesn't focus the window to the front.
[17:23] <acheronuk> SporkWitch: Firefox is GTK, so it will use a GTK file picker by default. That is normally, unless you  install a 3rd party patched version of Firefox
[17:24] <SporkWitch> acheronuk: normally it's used something other than whatever it's using on the one machine.  There's no difference between the two machines that i can tell other than one or two gnome deps that nvidia's blob wants
[17:25] <SporkWitch> then again, the other computer is doing it now too, so maybe it's something that got changed? Dunno, all i know is it's horrifically bad.
[17:27] <acheronuk> What kubuntu version are you on?
[17:28] <SporkWitch> 16.04 with kde backports
[17:29] <acheronuk> Should not have been any changes there to cause it. May try checking what gtk theme you have set in systemsettings
[17:30] <Dragnslcr> I've never gotten Firefox to use a decent file chooser
[17:30] <Dragnslcr> If there is a way to do it, I'd love to hear about it
[17:30] <SporkWitch> Dragnslcr: it always used to for me...
[17:30] <SporkWitch> this is something i've just started seeing in the past week or so
[17:31] <SporkWitch> and the change was punch-to-the-face obvious, because the horrific manager it uses now defaults to icons that make directories indistinguishable from other files, and puts them in alphabetically with the rest of the files, so have fun navigating!
[17:31] <SporkWitch> acheronuk: breeze, same as it's been since i installed on this machine a couple months ago
[17:33] <SporkWitch> ah, i think i may have figured it out.  I think it's grabbing firefox-gtk whereas before i was probably getting firefox-qt by default...  at least that's what some bug posts from '05 seem to indicate
[17:38] <SporkWitch> nm, no such packages exist...
[17:41] <acheronuk> there are patched versions of Firefox, to integrate KDE file picker etc, but not for kubuntu
[17:41] <SporkWitch> the question is what changed?
[17:41] <SporkWitch> i've been running kubuntu LTS releases since 8, and this is something that's only cropped up in the past week
[21:02] <nuxil> So.. after 2 days of messing around with linux/kubuntu. i regret wasting my time on this and i boiled it down to 8 main reason why linux suck compared to windows.
[21:02] <nuxil> 1 Lack of proper graphical tools, gimp is ok. but far from as good as PS etc.
[21:02] <nuxil> 2 Lack of proper 3d tools. cinema4d, 3dmax, autodesk etc.
[21:02] <nuxil> 3 Lack of proper audio tools.
[21:02] <nuxil> 4 Lack of proper video tools.
[21:03] <nuxil> 5 Lack of software in general.
[21:04] <nuxil> sorry
[21:04] <nuxil> mainly 1 reason to use it.. good looking desktop.
[21:04]  * SporkWitch yawns
[21:05] <nuxil> im unsure what to do with this linux installation.
 Buy windows and install that
[21:06] <nuxil> i got windows10
[21:06] <nuxil> and it was free
[21:06] <nuxil> :p
 Your idea of free is totally different to mine
 You mean free as in no money passed hands
 But you actually pay for it in the sales price and by the personal information you let Microsoft gather about you
[21:09] <dax> what does "sales price" mean here
[21:09] <SporkWitch> @CliffordTheBigRedDog don't forget that win10 is basically one giant rootkit, thanks to the unstoppable updates.
[21:09] <nuxil> ? and each time you use google ?
[21:10] <SporkWitch> dax: presumably he means a pre-built computer.
[21:10] <nuxil> everyone is collecting personal info these days
[21:10] <SporkWitch> nuxil: Google gives the government what they're forced to; MSFT volunteers whatever they think will give them an edge in maintaining those lucrative contracts.
[21:11] <SporkWitch> but yes, at the end of the day, it is a matter of WHO you want to have info about you, not if, at least to a large degree
[21:11] <nuxil> SporkWitch: google listens to your searches and feed you ads based on your searches.
[21:11] <nuxil> and more. they even store voice
[21:12] <nuxil> if you use andoide and chrome-.
[21:13] <SporkWitch> i assume you mean voice searches, and voice comms on hangouts (possibly google voice).  Doing that on normal phone calls would be a slightly huge legal issue, and while they could probably argue "it was in the TOS they agreed to," it's unlikely it would hold up in court any more than Verizon doing the same, especially with regard to government requests for information.  The precedent that "my
[21:14] <nuxil> ye i mean voice searches.
[21:14] <SporkWitch> phone calls are private" is very well established, even to the point of absurdity (e.g. cordless phones were afforded the protections of a wired phone, even though technically it was an unsecured radio broadcast, subject to existing laws that say that's public and freely listen-able)
[21:15] <nuxil> if its leagle or not. it another topic in itself. and depends on the law in the contry. uk may not have the same rules as albania etc.
[21:15] <SporkWitch> nuxil: then yes, yes they do.  They then tokenize it, look for key categories, and serve ads accordingly.  They don't care about the minutiae of your life, they care about how they can tokenize it and serve ads relevant to it.
[21:16] <nuxil> basically the same as what m$ does.
[21:17] <SporkWitch> more importantly, unlike others, google does not provide the information they have on you to anyone, at all, unless there's a court order.
[21:17] <SporkWitch> MSFT will volunteer it happily
[21:17] <SporkWitch> facebook sells it outright
[21:17] <nuxil> and i dont care about it.  im immune to ads. i never bought a single thing on internet from pressing a ad
[21:18] <SporkWitch> most people haven't; nonetheless, the point is that you're not making a valid comparison
[21:18] <SporkWitch> MSFT having info is not the same as google having it.  Their practices are very different, their intentions are very different, their incentives are very different, and their track records are very different.
[21:19] <SporkWitch> that's like saying "well you trust Mormon Joe with your wallet, why not Hobo Jack?"
[21:19] <nuxil> their root goal is the same. domminate
[21:19] <nuxil> and i dont care. as long as their product works fine.
[21:20] <SporkWitch> sure, but you aren't google's customer, you're their product.  The incentives work out in such a way that your happiness is a priority.  if google pulls a MSFT they'll lost users, thus their product, and thus ad revenue from their actual customers.
[21:21] <SporkWitch> you are microsoft's customer; your interests are not theirs, forcing you to keep using them is.  Google can't force you to keep using their stuff, they have to make you WANT to.
[21:23] <nuxil> no one is forcing me to use google. i use it simply because i find it to be the best online search engine.  and it isnt microsoft that is forcing me to continue to use them. its all the other software companies.  as long as they only ship exe's i have little choice but to use M$ as long ther is no substitution in linux
[21:25] <SporkWitch> yes, MSFT has done a very good job of helping make that seem like it's the case.
[21:26] <SporkWitch> you'll find that very few things don't have either a perfectly viable alternative, or work fine themselves, on linux.  The main issue is that most people don't like change (which is why it always cracks me up how much MSFT does change, but then it's mostly only things that people that have a clue would notice, usually)
[21:30] <nuxil> no one likes changes. atleast not when they feel its for the worse.  but when you come from an enviorment where you have tonz of proffectional apps, cad apps, 3d apps so on.. what are you going to do in linux to get the job done ?  i mean.. if all i needed to do was to setup a apache server then yea. linux seems like a good choice.
[21:31] <nuxil> but as a workstation is seems to have a huge step to take.
[21:33] <nuxil> more proffesional software companies need to ship binarys or packages. same with games. more games are needed. this is the sure way to get young users to linux.  kid like games.  if you get people using it from an early stage more tools will be created in the end.
[21:38] <nuxil> anyway. i think i'll stick to my windows as long as the few things i can do in linux is to surf the web and chat on irc :p
[21:39] <SporkWitch> about the only thing that's still lacking on linux is autocad
[21:39] <SporkWitch> (and to an ever lessening degree, games)
[21:40] <SporkWitch> but by all means, stick to windows; no one here will try to force you to do otherwise.  We're just sick of hearing why linux sucks.  The points raised typically haven't been true in years, if they ever were in the first place, and there's nothing you can bring up that we haven't heard a million times before.  There's nothing to be gained, and no one cares.  Coming into a linux channel to tell us
[21:40] <SporkWitch> why linux sucks is about as textbook a troll as you can be.
[21:42] <ivan_> hello! I am having this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/820295/kubuntu-16-04-gui-not-working-goes-straight-to-terminal-login but sddm is already at latest version
[21:42] <nuxil> SporkWitch: haha don't be offended. i atleast gave it a couple of days run. it been years since i last used it. want to see if anything had changed.
[21:42] <ivan_> and everytime I close session it goes to tty1
[21:43] <SporkWitch> again, we really don't care.  We've seen the claims a million times, they've been wrong for years (or forever, depending), and we know you have no intention of adjusting.  You just want to complain or troll.  Either way, it's not productive.
[21:44] <nuxil> SporkWitch: so no.. not much has changed in the couple of years since i last time i tried it. new fancy kde, used to be kde3.  same stuff else some new cool stuff. but still feel my 8 point list is valid.
[21:44] <SporkWitch> you're welcome to continue believing that; it doesn't make it so.
[21:44] <SporkWitch> again, no one really cares about your parroting fallacies from over a decade ago.  move along.
[21:45] <SporkWitch> it's really easy to tell people that have a clue, because there ARE legitimate issues to point to, yet you and your ilk never do.  Want some legitimate complaints about linux?  Idle around, and look at what people like me complain about.  It'll at least help you troll better, since then you'll be able to parrot legitimate issues, rather than decade-old falsehoods.
[21:47] <SporkWitch> ivan_: do you get the same results with nosplash and/or nomodeset ?
[21:48] <SporkWitch> ivan_: also, like the person in your link, did you do an upgrade from 14 to 16, or a clean install?
[21:49] <nuxil> SporkWitch:  so.. what has really changed in the last 5 years+?  exept the "internal progress" newer kernel, DE etc as you would happend in any OS developmentt ? i dont see alot more of software compaines shiping binarys, '
[21:50] <SporkWitch> again, i'm not interested in deprogramming you, i'm only interest in you sodding off with your decade-old non-complaints.
[21:50] <SporkWitch> come back when you have an actual interest and a real question.
[21:52] <nuxil> haha deprogramm me .. no need. i have eyes and can see..
[21:53] <nuxil> its just same stuff different wrapping
[21:53] <SporkWitch> of course you can, now please go back to seeing your windows logo until you have a legitimate interest and an actual question
[21:54] <SporkWitch> sure it is, that's why you're parroting things that weren't true a decade ago; again, we've seen it before, we're not buying.
[21:54] <nuxil> no. i get it. your a hard core linux fan.
[21:54] <nuxil> gnu ftw
[21:54] <nuxil> etc
[21:56] <SporkWitch> not really
[21:56] <SporkWitch> i just actually have a clue what i'm talking about, and so when i complain it's not about things that were false a decade ago, it's about things that are actually issues, and still present.
[21:58] <nuxil> i dont have to try to protect windows. i know it isnt that good.  i used linux before and trying it again. im rather open minded. but seen the amount of usefull softwared there is on m$ vs linux . i have to prefere m$ regardles of their lisence.
[21:59] <nuxil> eula, tos whatever
[22:42] <mgolden_> SporkWitch: I don't know why you want to have this discussion, but it's better in private so as not to jam up the channel
[22:43] <SporkWitch> mgolden_: i don't know why you want to talk about a non-discussion that's been over for nearly an hour, but it's better if you pipe your suggestion to /dev/null rather than dragging up dead topics about talking down trolls.
[23:08] <Vacuum_> Hi
[23:09] <Vacuum_> is there something similar in kubuntu ? http://www.eightforums.com/attachments/tutorials/48220d1407174562-power-options-add-remove-usb-selective-suspend-usb_selective_suspend_setting.png?s=bb4c46ef0fa2bae5046addfa93baf9c4
[23:09] <Vacuum_> I have z97 Asus board and my USB hard drive gets disconnected very often. I am running kubuntu 16.0.1 LTS. Is there a way to fix this issue?
[23:09] <SporkWitch> system settings -> power settings
[23:09] <Vacuum_> no usb option
[23:11] <SporkWitch> i see a few dozen very promising results in the obvious google search
[23:11] <Vacuum_> SporkWitch:  can you share one?
[23:12] <SporkWitch> i could, or you could google and return with a more specific question, such as "i did this, and here's the error"
[23:13] <SporkWitch> nothing personal, it's just that if i have to google it, that means you should have googled it.  More specific questions about particular errors that you come across, on the other hand, are much easier to help with, and less applicable to a generic google search.
[23:14] <Vacuum_> I do not see any interface to control usb. I have googled
[23:15] <Vacuum_> a lot
[23:15] <Vacuum_> If I missed anything, let me know?
[23:24] <mgolden_> Vacuum_ Take a look at powertop
[23:24] <mgolden_> you may need to install it with apt-get install powertop
[23:36] <mgolden_> Vacuum_: I am not sure if it's available on all hardware.
[23:40] <Vacuum_> mgolden_:  ok