[08:02] <BigRedS> Morning all!
[08:03] <BigRedS> Is there an LVM incantation to make it recover more elegantly when a PV that's a USB disk is removed and reinserted. I can see the LVs and VGs again, but I can't mount them, presumably because something's looking at an old logical address of some sort...
[08:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:22] <SuperMatt> g'day
[08:32] <brobostigon> hi SuperMatt
[09:32] <diplo> Morning all
[09:33] <diplo> Anyone here had to do a clean install of Win10 ?
[09:33] <diplo> I've downloaded mediacreationtool.exe and created a iso and burnt it, also grabbed a key viewer thing and got a copy of the key but apparently I won't need it if it's already been activated as it's by hardware
[09:34] <diplo> Before I do anytthing I thought I'd ask in here :)
[09:34] <foobarry> hello diplo
[09:34] <foobarry> how did the interview go
[09:36] <foobarry> i did a clean install
[09:36] <diplo> hey foobarry, It seemed to go well, although not heard anything yet so maybe not as well as I thought :P
[09:36] <foobarry> it may have detected a win7 parititon though , not sure
[09:38] <diplo> OK, well it was Vista it appears before they upgraded. Husband and wife have split up, she thinks he has some software on there to monitor her and wants it clean installed :/
[09:38] <foobarry> unlikely but understandable
[09:40] <diplo> Well he knew about solicitors appointments before etc, but I'd say her passwords on emails etc were the problem :P
[09:40] <popey> diplo: make sure you re-install his software afterwards! ㋛
[09:40] <diplo> But if it makes her feel better
[09:40] <diplo> hahah
[09:40] <popey> I did a clean win10 install with media created from that media creation tool. I had to nuke the machine first
[09:40] <popey> just used dd over the first 10MB or so of the disk
[09:41] <diplo> Oh right, doesn't let you format it then ?
[09:41] <diplo> I'm so out of windows stuff, especially win10
[09:42] <diplo> I haven't been able to get a live disc to boot yet either
[09:46] <foobarry> haven't visited facebook for 1 day and it has spammed me 3 times already with agressive notifications
[09:46] <foobarry> its relentless
[09:46] <popey> i switched off all fb notifications
[09:46] <foobarry> it did too!
[09:47] <foobarry> except for mentions etc
[09:47] <foobarry> but after not visiting a while it starts getting needy and inventing notifications
[10:06] <popey> smell burning, run round house to make sure it's not burning. someone outside is burning wet wood
[10:06] <popey> stinks
[10:06] <popey> on the plus side, house not burning down
[10:08] <diplo> I had that last night at home
[10:08] <davmor2> popey: hahaha /me has a picture of you racing round the house with a garden hose in one hand and a phone in the other incase the fire is bigger than the hose can handle :D
[10:08] <popey> :)
[10:10] <brobostigon> livestreamer, handy prog, :)
[10:10] <brobostigon> app*
[10:11] <davmor2> brobostigon: yeah then I don't need to picture popey running round the house with a garden hose I could actually see it ;)
[10:11] <popey> brobostigon: indeed it is!
[10:11] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[10:12] <brobostigon> popey: :)
[11:16] <diddledan> if you're wanting to remove and reinstall from scratch any OS onto an SSD I recommend using blkdiscard from a linux live-disc. it uses trim to tell the SSD controller to nuke everything from orbit
[11:18] <popey> nice
[11:18] <daftykins> it would be better if that were just a secure erase function
[11:18] <daftykins> TRIM is different
[11:19] <diddledan> advantage being that the ssd will know that all the data it was tracking is irrelevant so that it doesn't try to shuffle blocks about to accomodate the old install data which the ssd thinks is still real data
[11:20] <diddledan> there is a secure erase function on more recent SSDs but I don't know what it does so don't trust it :-p
[11:20] <daftykins> well it doesn't, it's just blocks marked as dirty for having retained data at some point, it's no longer usable though
[11:20] <daftykins> (the data isn't)
[11:21] <daftykins> nah everyones implementation of secure erase is different, so it's a bit of a mess - there is a command in hdparm but it's a total mess
[11:21] <daftykins> also, i found it couldn't operate on nvidia chipsets
[11:21] <daftykins> (motherboard chipsets)
[11:22] <diddledan> does nVidia still make chipsets? (aside)
[11:22] <daftykins> nah i think they got out of that game, my last example machine was the intel atom + nvidia ion 1 in my HTPC
[11:22] <diddledan> older sata chipsets were hit n miss. I guess it's the same with all new tech
[11:23] <diddledan> remember the jmicron chips for IDE?
[11:23] <diddledan> they were the worst for a while
[11:23] <daftykins> hehe yeah some of the core 2 era machines here have those
[11:23] <daftykins> i disable that junk in the BIOS :>
[11:24] <daftykins> huzzah the new phone digitiser for my friend arrived this morning, so there is a working old samsung phone once again!
[11:24] <daftykins> first ebay job was broken it transpires
[11:24]  * diddledan digitises daftykins
[11:24]  * diddledan then derezzes him
[11:25] <daftykins> that was quite the immediate deresolution, Tron style
[11:25]  * daftykins is 8-bit now
[11:25]  * diddledan then derezzes him:-)
[11:25] <diddledan> err
[11:25] <diddledan> rougue up-button-press
[11:26] <diddledan> silly up arrow being next-door to my shift key
[11:30] <daftykins> welp now the BBC have made iplayer stuffs license fee only, that's that avenue closed ;) of course not that they can prove anyone accesses it without...
[11:31] <diddledan> they can require sign-up I guess?
[11:32] <popey> they will
[11:32] <popey> just not yet
[11:40] <diddledan> we've apparently found a second star like "tabby's star" - the one that dims by as much as 60%
[11:40] <diddledan> http://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-just-found-a-second-dyson-sphere-star
[11:40] <daftykins> that's one very special tabby cat to have its' own star
[12:21] <diddledan> hetzner have some powerful servers for rent: https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px61nvme
[12:22] <daftykins> ooh :P
[12:27] <foobarry> asking for a friend. is there a free alternative to corel draw on windows?
[12:27] <foobarry> i gather its a vector package.
[12:28] <daftykins> look on alternativeto.net
[12:28] <daftykins> http://alternativeto.net/browse/search/?q=corel%20draw&platform=windows
[12:28] <foobarry> hmm that site has improved
[12:30] <popey> inkscape?
[12:31] <foobarry> seems to be the highest regarded on that site
[12:31] <foobarry> i find inkscape has a bit of learning curce
[12:31] <foobarry> as with any vector package though.
[12:31] <daftykins> i find anything creative a massive wall to entry :>
[12:39] <diddledan> I can't draw
[12:40] <daftykins> ^ that too
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> you can draw conclusions... :-P
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> *badum* *tish*
[12:44] <daftykins> diddledan: i keep hearing hetzner get blacklisted a lot though for hosting infected/nefarious stuff
[12:50]  * diddledan concludes all over zmoylan-pi
[12:50] <diddledan> quite hard.
[12:51]  * zmoylan-pi postpones the conclusion with extreme vigor and a brutally applied brick in a sock
[12:57] <diddledan> I believe the correct response is to sit down with my eyes each replaced with an X and some blue birds circling my head
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> are the birds tweeting or snapchatting?
[13:19] <diddledan> apple are doing a thing tomorrow \o/
[13:19] <diddledan> gotta love when apple does a thing
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> should be able to buy some cheap headphones afterwards
[13:44] <zmoylan-pi> cheap apple watches on ebay if they release a new one tomorrow as well
[14:36] <daftykins> diddledan: not really, they're an evil company - my RSS feeds fill up with every little tidbit and you get to be disappointed at your fellow man for how blindly they rush to buy the next junk :)
[14:38] <diddledan> shuddupandtakemymoney!
[14:38] <daftykins> you disappoint me, sir
[14:38] <daftykins> just been for a coffee with the lass and given her phone back \o/
[14:38]  * zmoylan-pi takes diddledan's money
[14:38] <daftykins> now i have things wrapped up and can probably just focus on packing
[14:38] <daftykins> but everyone knows that is to be saved for the last minute
[14:39] <zmoylan-pi> you can only close the suitcase in last minute adrenalin rush
[14:39] <diddledan> I pack just before I walk-out the door. as in during the last 4 minutes
[14:39] <daftykins> :>
[14:40] <diddledan> I don't understand the need to plan what clothes to take. just shove what you'd normally wear into the case and go
[14:40] <daftykins> indeed
[14:40] <daftykins> only planning i've done is to have done laundry really :P
[14:40] <daftykins> more often than not i have the backpack laden with all the tech before i think about clothes...
[14:41] <diddledan> speaking of laundry. this is epic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rmzh0PI3c
[14:41] <zmoylan-pi> but you do spend 2-3 hours deciding what electronics to bring instead so not a great time saving on not choosing clothes
[14:41] <daftykins> hehe ah nah it's just gonna be laptop, 2 phones and earphones i think
[14:42] <daftykins> and a good ol' fashioned dead tree novel
[14:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: pack all the electronics. saves choosing
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> plus which chargers will you bring...
[14:42] <diddledan> all the wrong chargers :-p
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> and which powerbank is most appropriate...
[14:45] <daftykins> i'm taking just the brick for my Dell XPS13, then i'll use my friends wall socket -> clover leaf (IEC C5) bit
[14:46] <daftykins> save on the shippin' \o/
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> and does location use funny plugs so you need an adapter?
[14:47] <daftykins> well i'm avoiding that by using hers is what i mean
[14:47] <daftykins> so US wall outlet -> C5 into my brick, means no hassle
[14:49] <diddledan> gotta love inserting a cable into your brick
[14:49] <diddledan> no power, else. and whaddawe need? MOAR POWAH
[14:50] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9HWGyp2p3U
[14:50]  * zmoylan-pi looks outside at the back to school weather...
[14:52] <diddledan> rain
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> blue skies and sunshine... to crush the spirit of all the kids back in school... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/772919604930830336/photo/1
[15:00] <diplo> Can't get this Win10 to activate!!!
[15:00] <diplo> Bloomin rubbish
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> install linux and when it detects that it will cave :-)
[15:01] <diplo> I'm close to suggesting it
[15:02] <davmor2> diplo: and that is different to other versions of Windows How?
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> windows 2000 was the last version i used a lot as it didn't require activation
[15:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:03] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: then it was an illegal copy of windows 2000 ;)  98 was that last version that didn't require activation :)
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> uh, sorry, it didn't need you to type in a 36 digit activation code rather...
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> that really really irked me
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> the activation process were you had to ring ms and give them a number and then type the returned number back into a pc
[15:08] <daftykins> diplo: what's the situation?
[15:09] <daftykins> davmor2: i don't remember 2k having activation
[15:10] <daftykins> though i only ever 'saw' it, never ran it personally
[15:10] <davmor2> daftykins: it was the forerunner to xp which had the full blown activation, 2000 you didn't have to type in the long number but you did have register and activate
[15:10] <daftykins> i know its' history, yeah
[15:11] <daftykins> long number? i did VM a win 2000 and had product key entry
[15:15] <diddledan> I think XP was the first one that regularly phoned-home with a cryptographic hash of your hardware
[15:15] <diddledan> 2000 just needed a serial number from what I recall
[15:16] <daftykins> yeah i had the same experience
[15:16] <diddledan> xp and later needed a serial number and activation
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> 2000 sent some info to ms iirc.  but only wanted the code i had written on the cd :-)
[15:17] <diddledan> heh, I remember playing dos games in the early 2k's on win2k running "vdmsound" to allow the dos game to run in cmd.exe with audio output (2k was NT so there wasn't a real dos underneath)
[15:18] <daftykins> that's why i skipped 2k yeah, felt too office-like, especially (to the naive young me at the time) the ctrl+alt+del login default
[15:18] <zmoylan-pi> xp was out a few years before i moved to win2000 :-)
[15:19] <zmoylan-pi> i was just moving off win98se
[15:19] <daftykins> i remember i dualbooted 98 and XP because XP broke GTA1 which was fun at LAN events with friends
[15:20] <diplo> daftykins: It won't activate, I wonder if it was associated to a digital account?
[15:20] <diplo> Guessing that means to a hotmail address ?
[15:20] <diplo> I can't do the same, as if it was, it would be associated to the person we're trying to wipe
[15:21] <daftykins> diplo: what is it, an upgrade from 7 or 8 on a laptop or something?
[15:22] <daftykins> windows licenses are hardware ID based, not account based
[15:22] <diplo> Vista was installed on there, the bloke had upgraded to 10
[15:23] <diplo> So I made a iso using mediacreationtool, formatted and reinstalled
[15:23] <daftykins> vista does not permit a free upgrade to 10
[15:23] <diplo> It said on their website that it would auto activate, after googling around it seems this is a common problem
[15:23] <diplo> Well this guy had it ?
[15:23] <daftykins> so unless 10 was purchased and a product key gotten, it's not legit
[15:24] <diplo> oh ffs, what happens if you don't activate eventually ?
[15:24] <daftykins> could be the windows insider edition which is free and yes tied to a microsoft account, but it's not a retail copy
[15:24] <daftykins> you should call that client and ask if they used the insider edition, because Vista 100% never got the upgrade to 10
[15:24] <diplo> I'm so out of the windows realm, I can't get Vista back as all talk is through solicitors :/
[15:24] <daftykins> what do you mean?
[15:25] <diplo> Bah, why did I say I should help
[15:25] <daftykins> you are a true IT masochist
[15:25] <daftykins> :>
[15:25] <diplo> Battered wife, they don't talk, he has software probably
[15:25] <daftykins> oh i see so the wife is getting the machine?
[15:25] <diplo> Won't be able to retrieve said software because of above
[15:25] <diplo> I have it yes, it was hers but as most marriages set up with his details
[15:26] <daftykins> does the machine have the vista product key on a certificate of authenticity sticker?
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> probably worn off by now
[15:26] <diplo> Yep it does daftykins , I was just thinking the same
[15:26] <diplo> Reinstall with a hooky copy of Vista home
[15:26] <daftykins> diplo: i have a Vista SP2 ISO if you need
[15:26] <diplo> Oh that would be great!
[15:26] <daftykins> both 32 and 64
[15:27] <diplo> Trusted ish source :P
[15:27] <daftykins> mine are MSDN originals
[15:27] <daftykins> do you know the CPU + RAM to know if it's worthy of 64-bit or no?
[15:28] <diplo> 4gb of ram, Amd Turion64 x2 proc
[15:28] <diplo> Win10 runs pretty well tbh, although vista probably won't :P
[15:28] <daftykins> hehe, yeah Vista grinds to a halt on anything i find
[15:29] <daftykins> you have two choices then, you could either sign up an email address to windows insider and activate 10 that way, or you can snag this image and reinstall
[15:29] <diplo> How can I get a copy from you ?
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> try it on a laptop were it shares the 1gb of ram with video card... :-)
[15:29] <diplo> Ah right, will that carry on working ?
[15:29] <daftykins> let me copy it onto my home web server then i'll PM you a link :) i only have 5Mb upload but you can snag it at full speed
[15:29] <diplo> If you're sure
[15:29] <daftykins> yeah but it keeps going through updates regularly so it might piss the user off if you'll have future contact with them
[15:29] <diplo> I can grab overnight if you prefer but if i remember correctly you're up late
[15:30] <daftykins> nah you can do it immediately :)
[15:30] <diplo> Ex girlfriends sister so doubtful
[15:30] <daftykins> ah ok, Vista it is then XD
[15:30] <daftykins> ok gimme 5 to copy and i'll PM you asap
[15:30] <diplo> Cheers, really appreciate it
[15:30] <daftykins> np :)
[15:34] <diplo> I did wonder why I didn't find any mention of vista on any support pages
[15:34] <daftykins> :D
[15:35] <diplo> Wooping your bandwidth thanks
[15:36] <DJones> What long day, 5 hours out at a funeral
[15:37] <diplo> :( - stayed for the drink after ?
[15:37] <DJones> Ah well, at least a wartime Bletchley Park employee got a good send off
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> just think, if the person in the 70s hadn't of broken the vow of silence we might still not know of what happened there
[15:42] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/uI1snffu08U - "spectacular drone footage of three curious whales under a boat"
[15:44] <davmor2> they said how they got people to open up about it on the tour there, If they asked what they did they got hit by silence if they said there were lots of women there was there any relationships "oh yes I fell for peggy in shed3" and off they'd go :)
[15:45] <DJones> I like that on the bletchley park website, they have a roll ofhonour that mentioned him, which his daughter (Wifes's aunty) hadn't seen
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> there was a story on npr last week of a military camp set up in a national park that the park keepers could find no information on, a visitor put them in touch with one person who worked there which led them to a whole bunch of jewish soldiers who were used to interrogate high value nazi prisoners
[16:06] <daftykins> that's quite the role reversal
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> well many had fled germany before the war and knew not just german but the culture and nuances which translators often don't have
[16:12] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/595/deep-end-of-the-pool
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> second half of the program
[17:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[17:28] <daftykins> \o
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, someone is offering old hardawre at my LUG :D
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, I can get a old sun computr if I want it
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which might be exciting
[17:28] <popey> Do you have clothes which need drying?
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kind of
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, me ?
[17:29] <daftykins> or a door that needs propping open :)
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh I see h eh
[17:29] <popey> :)
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well yeah that's the thing isn't it, can it even be used
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same for the old compazs
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when I said get, I do mean free, old stuff  trying to get rid of
[17:29] <popey> A friend of mine got given an old DEC Alpha server which used to run all of the Finance system for $large_drug_company
[17:29] <daftykins> i mean if it's really your interest i'm sure it could be fun, but i have enough work with modern gear so i prefer to stay away :>
[17:30] <popey> he kept it in his den, and ran Red Hat on it (many years ago)
[17:30] <daftykins> hehe
[17:30] <popey> his wife would hang washing in the room because it was kept nice and toasty
[17:30] <daftykins> the College i taught at got offered something they would have needed to reinforce the floor to take :)
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I did get a old computer from somene else the other eyar from lug, but that hasn't really been used much since...
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but could be used
[17:30] <popey> The only computer I'm looking for at the moment is a VT100
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Do I want any old compaqz though probabloy not really, those were WIndows machines so to uh modern for uh  what I Hae in mind h eh
[17:30] <popey> but they're quite rare, and expensive when they come up on fleabay
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I would use modern tech for WIndows
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Linux
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> this guy has a lot of old stuff, asking what I want
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a lot of it is like, no that's probably not me.  I do find oses intersting so a old sun computer might be something, well if it can actsually be used for something now :d
[17:31] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plessey-Peripheral-Systems-PT100-Very-Rare-Vintage-Computer-Terminal-/330816925879
[17:31] <popey> for example
[17:32] <daftykins> i think my dad is still hiding the apricot 486s from my mum at their place :)
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am not so keen on picking up old desktops thugh since the ones I have here now all of htem aren't really used anymore
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and they take up space
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but a sun computer isn't a pc
[17:32] <daftykins> just because it's a different architecture doesn't really make it any more use though :>
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> true plus he's probably tkne the hard di sk out or whtaever of the machine to
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it has a cd room drie though uhmm
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> saying that he wanted to give away some old extenral hrd disk to, wich maybe can be used with this to
[17:33] <daftykins> sounds like a rabbit hole to me :)
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well it's either giving it away t someone or it goes to land fil this weekend
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and other things he's still got left
[17:34] <popey> give it to the computer museum in cambridge
[17:34] <daftykins> nah folks camp out at landfills waiting for that stuff :)
[17:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will it even work with a say desktop pc mnoitor?  I have only really had pc's desktopwise, well there was a really old computer to hwen I was a kid, but that got long thrown out
[17:35] <popey> i gave away a 42" plasma telly last week on freagle. number of emails I got for it was bonkers
[17:35] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:36] <daftykins> the core 2 quad PC that i said could run games if they bought a modern graphics card picked up steam quite well
[17:36] <daftykins> in terms of replies, not steam the game platform from valve... :D
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> looks like it would be ashame to have a sun ultra 5 going to the bin though whatever that is
[17:37] <daftykins> i doubt you'd find anything worth running on it! OS wise
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, sure, but there must be something out there
[17:40] <daftykins> if you wanted it to be online to be of use, it's likely too old to be worth it
[17:40] <daftykins> so unless you have all the time in the world... :D
[17:55] <daftykins> Amazon.co.uk info on Office 365 Home: "Download time: 2 minutes on broadband, 1 day, 17 hours and 36 minutes on dial-up"
[17:57] <popey> optimistic
[17:58] <daftykins> :D
[17:58] <daftykins> some clients just won't even consider something other than MS Outlook, shame what they do to themselves
[19:35] <daftykins> i wonder why it is i'm hearing swooping planes in the sky and fireworks outside
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> alien invasion...
[19:36] <daftykins> http://guernseypress.com/news/2016/09/03/evening-battle-of-britain-week-display-over-st-peter-port/
[19:36] <daftykins> well well
[19:37] <daftykins> and in quality local standard the story finishes part way... :D
[19:40] <ali1234> happens all the time in print when the story doesn't fit in the page... but to do that online is a real feat
[20:50] <diddledan> look what I made:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Tt0xjpDw/
[20:50] <diddledan> it's HTML
[20:50] <diddledan> \i/
[20:50] <diddledan> rtt
[20:50] <diddledan> damn fingers aren't working in the dark
[22:58] <diddledan> https://www.petri.com/microsoft-preparing-take-slack-skype-teams
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> well slack did reject a takeover
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> so knock out a free clone that does 90% of what theirs does and install it by default in every windows via an update and so long slack