[03:02] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: hi, is xmir ready to go in xserver 1.19?
[03:03] <tjaalton> ff is the 10th
[03:03] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, sort of - when is 1.19 to be released?
[03:03] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, I don't think it will be reveiwed that fast
[03:03] <tjaalton> yeah
[03:03] <robert_ancell> I'd given up getting it done for 1.19 in time
[03:05] <tjaalton> then again it's separate from the rest so perhaps it could be slipped in later
[03:07] <duflu> robert_ancell: There are some unreleased changes in the Xmir 1.18 branch that are ready for release. I was only waiting to hear if they broke vivid+freiza first
[03:07] <duflu> And they did not (?)
[03:08] <duflu> But good news - I have no more Xmir work pending
[03:08] <robert_ancell> duflu, \o/
[03:08] <duflu> Spent most of last week trying to improve the DRI code and mostly failed
[04:28] <hikiko> hi
[04:34] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[04:34] <hikiko> Morning duflu, how are you?
[04:35] <duflu> Good, and you hikiko?
[04:35] <hikiko> Good :-)
[04:35] <duflu> Good
[04:35]  * duflu wonders how to be breat
[04:35] <duflu> great
[04:35]  * duflu wonders how to spell great
[06:22] <pitti> Good morning
[06:34] <didrocks> bonjour pitti
[06:35] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:52] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[06:54] <pitti> ça va bien ! mais pas de course aujourd'hui, il fait mauvais
[07:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:23] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:23] <seb128> salut pitti, comment ça va ?
[07:25] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien, merci ! et toi ?
[07:25] <seb128> ça va bien ;-)
[07:25] <seb128> summer is back!
[07:25] <pitti> it just left here
[07:56] <willcooke> morning all!
[07:57] <davmor2> Morning willcooke
[08:04] <seb128> good morning u.k
[08:04] <Laney> man
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:07] <Laney> hi seb128!
[08:07] <seb128> what's up?
[08:07] <Laney> tired
[08:07] <Laney> didn't sleep that well, too humid
[08:08] <seb128> :-/
[08:09] <Laney> oh well
[08:09] <Laney> how are you?
[08:10] <seb128> good!
[08:10] <seb128> just remembered to dial in devices news call!
[08:11] <Laney> oh yeah
[08:11] <seb128> otherwise had a nice pizza for diner yesterday and slept well
[08:11]  * Laney will later
[08:11] <seb128> and summer is back today ;-)
[08:13] <Laney> only 2 mails from launchpad last night?
[08:13] <Laney> is the interwebs broken?
[08:18] <seb128> I didn't have much in my box either this morning
[08:21] <Laney> winning
[08:21] <Laney> back in a minute
[08:22] <seb128> what did you win? ;-)
[08:39] <Trevinho> Morning folks!
[08:43] <duflu> You won a chirpy Trevinho
[08:43] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[08:44] <Trevinho> duflu: hey man!
[08:45] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:45] <Trevinho> seb128: hi seb
[08:46] <seb128> how are you?
[08:57] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[09:12] <Laney> laney@nightingale> juju bootstrap lxd-test lxd                                                                                                                                                 ~/temp
[09:12] <Laney> muhahaha
[09:12] <Laney> ERROR invalid config: lxd version 2.1, juju needs at least 2.0.0
[09:15] <seb128> quality software
[09:15] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1614559
[09:15] <Laney> :-)
[10:06] <andyrock> morning
[10:12] <Trevinho> hey Laney :)
[10:33] <willcooke> Default wallpaper should be ariving today
[10:40] <Laney> phat
[10:40] <Laney> what about
[10:40] <Laney> wait I've left my coffee somewhere
[10:41] <Laney> found it
[10:41] <Laney> what about the contest ones?
[10:52] <willcooke> Laney, not sure what's going on with the contest this year, I've not be involved
[10:52] <willcooke> I'll see if nhaines knows
[10:54] <Laney> saw some flickr thingy
[10:54] <Laney> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/ubuntu-16-10-wallpaper-contest-now-open-entries
[10:54] <Laney> I like how this sort of just happens
[12:25] <Trevinho> seb128: do you remember the bug numer for the shortcut hint not being closable?
[12:25] <Trevinho> on startup I mean
[12:26] <seb128> Trevinho, I didn't file one, I asked on IRC if that was known and you said you already had a fix pending for it so I didn't bother
[12:26] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, ok.... I'll open one then
[12:27] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[12:27] <seb128> do you need one?
[12:37] <flexiondotorg> o/
[12:38] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, What is the status of enabling low graphics mode in 16.10?
[12:38] <flexiondotorg> Is there a mechanism to expressly enable it yet?
[12:39] <seb128> boot into a vm? ;-)
[12:39] <flexiondotorg> I'm being poked by the Artica devs.
[12:39] <seb128> what is artica?
[12:39] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Well, I can do that here right now. Restrictive environment :-(
[12:39] <flexiondotorg> Artica is/will be the successor to X2Go.
[12:40] <seb128> k
[12:40] <flexiondotorg> The main X2Go devs create it as a new project about 18 months ago.
[12:40] <flexiondotorg> They've seen the low graphics announcement and are very interested.
[12:40] <seb128> well it's currently not meant to be an option
[12:41] <seb128> you just need to set UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE=1 in the env though
[12:41] <seb128> will made a g+ post with a small systemd job that does that
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I saw willcooke's blog.
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> There was mention of a systemd unit for 16.10.
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> Just wondering if they should wait on that or roll they on "enablement".
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> 's/on/own/'
[12:43] <seb128> I'm not sure to understand the usecase
[12:44] <seb128> they probably don't want a setting/control in the session do they?
[12:44] <seb128> they just want remote sessions to be lowgfx by default
[12:44] <seb128> no?
[12:46] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, sorry was at lunch, reading back log
[12:47] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Well they want to ensure any remote connection via NX to Unity 7 has the low graphics mode enabled.
[12:48] <flexiondotorg> And typically, they are setting up server dedicated to the task of remote desktop sessions.
[12:48] <seb128> right, so they don't want an user setting the user has to go tickle in settings after logging
[12:48] <seb128> tickle->check
[12:48] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, there is no systemd user unit yet
[12:48] <flexiondotorg> So a system wide enablement is suitable for many of their deployments.
[12:48] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, OK.
[12:49] <willcooke> but it should be automatic ish - i.e. Unity detects that it's not got the full opengl stack and switches to it.  Trevinho, hikiko that's right isn't it?
[12:49] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Correct. Not a user setting. A session/system-wide setting.
[12:49] <seb128> well the job does that
[12:49] <seb128>   if ! /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p; then
[12:49] <seb128>     compiz_profile="ubuntu-lowgfx"
[12:49] <seb128>   fi
[12:49] <seb128> is their env claiming to support 3d?
[12:50] <seb128> I guess if it does we could had another hack in that script
[12:50] <Trevinho> seb128: that check also takes care of the UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE=1 value
[12:50] <seb128> like "if <something that define remote sessions> then lowgfx"
[12:50] <hikiko> willcooke, reading
[12:50] <Trevinho> seb128: so.... that var would be enough to be lowgfx
[12:50] <Trevinho> or, LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 too
[12:51] <seb128> Trevinho, right, but it would be nicer if remote sessions would work without having to set some env
[12:51] <hikiko> yes it should autodetect it at startup
[12:51] <seb128> just out of the box
[12:51] <Trevinho> seb128: ah... sure, I mean if there's something in the environment claiming that, it would be nice
[12:51] <seb128> but dunno if they claim supported 3d
[12:51] <seb128> ed->ing
[12:51] <hikiko> but you can export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 too
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> Thanks guys. That's great.
[12:53] <willcooke> hikiko, does that affect things other than Unity? (LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE)
[12:53] <seb128> willcooke, flexiondotorg, I guess in those setups the session is started locally on a box that does 3d rendering but we want to force lowgfx because clients connect to it and have to export the display?
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> I'll feed that back, I think think can be added to the NX session initialization.
[12:53] <seb128> right, just tell them to set UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE=1
[12:53] <hikiko> willcooke, yes it forces software rendering
[12:54] <hikiko> if you don't want that
[12:54] <hikiko> you can just open ccsm
[12:54] <hikiko> and select the unity_low_gfx profile in profiles
[12:55] <hikiko> then you have all the low gfx settings running in your GPU
[13:02]  * desrt yawns
[13:04] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:04] <seb128> how are you?
[13:04] <desrt> morning seb
[13:04] <desrt> still drinking coffee.  will let you know after :)
[13:04] <desrt> and you?
[13:05] <seb128> I'm good thanks, though it's getting warm enough that it's uncomfortable sitting in front of the computer
[13:06] <desrt> AC is wonderful :)
[13:06] <desrt> fight global warming by contributing to global warming!
[13:24] <xclaesse> I made 3 upgrades 14.04->16.04 over the last 6 months, so at different stages of dev, latest one was last weekend (so when officially supported)... they all failed myserably... Not sure if I'm cursed or if there are serious issues. It's sad because I had really few issues with ubuntu upgrades in the past :(
[13:25] <xclaesse> managed to rescue with a bunch of "apt-get install -f" and fighting dependencies issues
[13:25] <seb128> do you have details on the issues/errors you hit?
[13:25] <seb128> could be due to ppa you are using?
[13:26] <xclaesse> seb128, the first was before 16.04 release, so didn't complain. The 2nd indeed had some special settings, ppa, etc, so didn't complain neither
[13:26] <xclaesse> seb128, but the last one was really just a basic installation of 14.04 that I never thouched
[13:27] <seb128> well even with those it's good to at least mention the issue
[13:27] <xclaesse> I haven't noted the exact issues, I understand that won't help you
[13:28] <xclaesse> that was blablabla cannot be configured because dependency blabla is not yet installed
[13:28] <xclaesse> stuff like that
[13:28] <xclaesse> the classicaly dep nightmare
[13:29] <xclaesse> at that point the only terminal I could use was the tty1... so couldn't copy/paste errors anyway (could have taken a picture)
[13:30] <seb128> the upgrade logs stay in /var/log usually
[13:30] <xclaesse> seb128, ah... ok will check that this evening when I get home then
[13:31] <seb128> you didn't get an ubuntu-bug prompt to report the bug?
[13:32] <seb128> xclaesse, but otherwise see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager , /var/log/dist-upgrade/ has the log from the upgrade and should have the apt output etc
[13:55] <Laney> omg
[13:55] <Laney> so hot
[14:07] <seb128> same here :-/
[14:07]  * seb128 is melting in front of the keyboard
[14:20] <ogra_> sudo snap install icecream
[14:50] <seb128> tedg, hey, could you reply to the comment about tests at buildtime on bug #1617067? ;-)
[14:59] <tedg> seb128: ? What do you mean? The tests are fixed.
[14:59] <tedg> I guess I should comment on it there.
[15:00] <seb128> tedg, I mean that you didn't reply to m_terry on that bug, I didn't look if there are fixed or to fix but in any case it's worth a reply ;-)
[15:00] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[15:00] <tedg> seb128: Updated, good idea.
[15:01] <seb128> thanks!
[15:18] <Laney> Trevinho: do you need any more from meon the unity/systemd thingy?
[15:18] <Trevinho> Laney: if you think is fine all I need is your approval to both the MP and the landing...
[15:18] <Laney> I don't understand all of the MP
[15:19] <Laney> you should get andyrock to review it too
[15:20] <Laney> and/or ted_g
[15:21] <Trevinho> well, tedg then... Hey! Can you re-review my systemd branch? :-)
[15:22] <Laney> Trevinho: I approved based on the bits I do understand
[15:22] <Laney> but the whole thing is a bit beyond me atm
[15:22] <Laney> so some more eyes are appreciated
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, do we have a ffe for that or was the one you said was a bugfix? (it seems complex and late so ffe worthy in principle)
[15:28] <Laney> No
[15:28] <Trevinho> seb128: Laney called that a bug-fix...
[15:28] <Laney> You can get a second opinion if you want
[15:28] <Laney> I don't think the current situation is one that you would want to release with
[15:28] <Laney> so I would approve it :)
[15:30] <seb128> k, wfm
[15:30] <Laney> maybe it's fixing a bug by implementing a new feature
[15:30] <Laney> not sure
[15:31] <Trevinho> there are no new features there, a part some calls for systemd dbus manager
[15:31] <seb128> I'm never sure if complex enough changes justify needing a ffe
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, well, if you ported a big codebase from dbus-glib to gdbus there wouldn't be any "feature" either
[15:32] <seb128> but it's the sort of changes that are complex enough in spirit are features
[15:32] <Trevinho> yeah, I agree
[15:32] <seb128> or at least should be discouraged by the freeze
[15:32] <Laney> I think I would push back if there were no bug being fixed
[15:33] <Trevinho> I mean, if you want a FFe is fine, I juts jumped in this boat to get things properly done and reduce troubles, so... I'm fine with everything you decide
[15:33] <Laney> and it's okay to ask for one in any case if you want the release team to make a call
[15:33] <Laney> or more eyes to ask you to test things you might have missed or something
[15:34] <seb128> well, I'm all for avoiding paperwork
[15:34] <seb128> just feels like cheating not asking for one :p
[15:34] <seb128> anyway let's avoid extra work and just pretend it's a bugfix then
[15:35] <Laney> people upload much worse stuff than this :P
[15:35] <Laney> one reason that I don't subscribe to -changes
[15:43] <seb128> "somebody is wrong on the internet" :p
[15:43] <davmor2> seb128: never, that never happens :P
[16:19] <seb128> k, time for sport
[16:20] <seb128> weather is too nice to miss that today
[16:20] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[16:20] <willcooke> cya seb128
[16:20] <Laney> bye seb128!
[16:20] <Laney> corbyn's doing a rally in on the forest rec in nottm tonight
[16:20]  * Laney will go and observe that
[17:03] <Laney> right
[17:03] <Laney> JEZ WE CAN
[17:03] <Laney> laters!
[17:08] <willcooke> have fun Laney
[17:08] <willcooke> I'm off too, night all
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> Laney, oh, I voted for owen ;)
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> Not because I think he's any good, but at least he might stand aside when he can't form an opposition
[17:54] <jbicha> mitya57: thanks for uploading libgweather, the bug is a duplicate of bug 1616533
[17:55] <jbicha> bug 314432 makes it more difficult to find bugs fixed in one series but still open in another :(