[09:19] <akxwi-dave> wooo hoooo a black top menu on the login screen for todays iso..... Thanks...
[11:18] <flocculant> slideshow's back too
[11:18] <flocculant> still the other issues in the installer though
[11:46] <bluesabre> sounds promising
[11:46] <bluesabre> I
[11:46] <bluesabre> I'll be scheduling the meeting today for Friday at 22:00, pretty sure I should have an availability then
[11:47] <knome> :)
[11:47] <bluesabre> bbl
[15:42] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: seems the tracker's stopped seeing 'reported bugs' 
[15:43] <flocculant> so if it's still like that we'll need to make sure release note is up to date before we do the beta
[15:43] <akxwi-dave> deffo
[15:44] <flocculant> got a quiet weekend coming up - I'll try and set some time by to do that, then you can see if you think it's missing anything
[15:52] <akxwi-dave> will do...
[15:52] <flocculant> thanks :)
[15:52] <flocculant> not sure where the release note will be though ...
[15:54] <flocculant> knome: remind me why you and I decided not to have release note on wiki.u.c - was it 'includes' ?
[15:56] <flocculant> I think I will relegate the shutdown/restart bug to a comment - it's been on release note for as long as I remember and is still an issue
[15:57] <flocculant> ^^ isn't for k. nome but for akxwi-dave :)
[15:58] <flocculant> biab
[15:58] <akxwi-dave> kk
[16:02] <flocculant> knome: given you're after bluesabre chairing - you likely to call meeting pre-beta? (which would be next week)
[16:02] <flocculant> and that chairing list on wiki needs sorting out
[17:34] <knome> flocculant, i can do that if needed, sure
[17:34] <flocculant> knome: either that or we can beta this Friday - either works for me
[17:36] <knome> i've just eaten so all of my blood is in the stomach so brain no work
[17:37] <flocculant> lol
[20:38] <Unit193> ochosi: You're not waiting on me for anything right?
[20:39] <ochosi> Unit193: eh, context pls
[20:39] <ochosi> i was afk for some days and didnt sleep much
[20:39] <ochosi> so some things may have been lost in my backlog
[20:39] <Unit193> I think I did ping you on silly things, but yeah this is the context, just making sure I've not forgotten anything.
[20:40] <ochosi> hah
[20:40] <ochosi> right, you said something about the artwork bumping for 16.10
[20:40] <Unit193> Only thing I see: 01:09:35 < Unit193> ochosi: Uh, never bumped the artwork for 16.10? :)
[20:40] <Unit193> Yeah. :P
[20:40] <ochosi> :]
[20:40] <ochosi> i can do that quickly
[20:45] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: bumped artwork stuff for 16.10, you may want to push that one out as 16.10.0
[20:50] <Unit193> I have to do something about that? :3
[21:04]  * Unit193 wonders where 16.04.2 went...
[21:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: Looks like you never pushed 16.04.2??
[21:09]  * ochosi sits back and enjoys
[21:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: You fired! :P
[21:10] <Unit193> ochosi: Fixitfixitfixitfixit!
[21:10] <Unit193> Only in xubuntu-artwork-16.04.2/usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark/panel/16: nm-vpn-connecting12.png, etc.
[21:11] <ochosi> hehe, maybe after i decide what to do about notifyd ;)
[21:11] <Unit193> OK, I don't know how to bzr, I have things committed now too (but as of yet unpushed.)
[21:39] <bluesabre> oh wow
[21:39] <bluesabre> wonder why I failed :D
[21:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: time to set the record straight then ;)
[21:41] <ochosi> btw, we have a patched notifyd in ubuntu, right?
[21:41] <ochosi> somehow the one on git.xfce still doesn't support pulseaudio and stuff
[21:42] <ochosi> cause i wanted to patch it to check for symbolic audio icons in the icon theme and then use that
[21:43] <ochosi> in other news, some ppl seem to have found a fix for the thunar rename bug (not sure that's true, but let's just keep our hopes up), there's even a PPA https://launchpad.net/~yuri-sucupira/+archive/ubuntu/thunar1.6.10-patched
[21:45] <ochosi> or in fact this seems to be it: https://launchpad.net/~yuri-sucupira/+archive/ubuntu/thunar1.6.10-fix
[21:46] <ochosi> anyway, for those of you who know how to reproduce the bug (i don't), please give it a spin
[21:46] <ochosi> flocculant: ^
[21:46] <bluesabre> I can reproduce it, will check tonight
[21:48] <ochosi> nice
[21:48] <bluesabre> ochosi, no patch on notifyd that would add pulseaudio
[21:48] <bluesabre> just a tweak for the smoke theme
[21:48] <ochosi> errr, i meant volumed
[21:48] <ochosi> rly, what tweak?
[21:49] <ochosi> i can move it upstream if it makes sense, then we can get rid of it
[21:49] <bluesabre> !info xfce4-volumed
[21:50] <ochosi> iirc mr_pouit forked it at some point
[21:50] <bluesabre> adds to gtkrc
[21:50] <bluesabre> +    XfceNotifyWindow::summary-bold = 1
[21:50] <Unit193> Yeah, hence the version.
[21:50] <ochosi> and sidi was too lazy to merge it back
[21:50] <Unit193> s/\ to.*//
[21:50] <bluesabre> :D
[21:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: so that patch is only for smoke or also default?
[21:50] <Unit193> can bzr do  bzr pull --rebase ?
[21:51] <bluesabre> ochosi, seems to be just Smoke
[21:51] <ochosi> ok, it'll be obsolete with 0.3.*
[21:51] <bluesabre> figured as much :)
[21:52] <ochosi> well it's integrated now, not just obsolete because of gtk3 ;)
[21:52] <bluesabre> gotcha :D
[21:53] <bluesabre> ochosi, so, you going to merge volumed back in?
[21:53] <ochosi> meh, why do *i* have to do everything? :/
[21:53] <bluesabre> or truly fork it into a new beast
[21:53] <ochosi> no, actually i think i'll poke sidi until he does it finally
[21:53] <Unit193> Because you're our Xfce contact, ochosi!
[21:53] <bluesabre> ochosi, I'm not a git admin ;)
[21:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you want push rights... ;)
[21:53] <bluesabre> (and don't have notifyd)
[21:54] <bluesabre> (and don't want it)
[21:54] <bluesabre> s/notify/volume/
[21:54] <ochosi> volumed you mean?
[21:54] <bluesabre> indeedly doodly
[21:55] <ochosi> so no audio notifications for you..?
[21:55] <bluesabre> I mean, no git access to volumed, etc
[21:56]  * bluesabre is super confusing currently
[21:56] <ochosi> yeah, indeed
[21:56] <ochosi> :p
[21:56] <ochosi> anyway, we can leave it to sidi
[21:56] <bluesabre> woo sidi!
[21:56] <sidi> ochosi, hiya
[21:56] <sidi> bluesabre, hello
[21:56] <bluesabre> hey sidi
[21:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you/we want to PPA the experimental releases of xfd?
[21:57] <sidi> guys i am so having a crisis right now, please tell me you dont have urgent work for me
[21:57] <sidi> oh alsa volumed
[21:57] <sidi> guy who said he'd do it ghosted i think
[21:57] <ochosi> well, no, pulse volumed ;)
[21:57] <ochosi> and all i want is to get the stuff from LP back to git.xfce.org
[21:57] <sidi> ah i dont do that, i think lionel had the code
[21:57] <Unit193> What's the point of that if xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin? :P
[21:58] <sidi> Unit193, keyboard shortcuts + notification?
[21:58] <sidi> if the plugin does the kb shortcuts then it'd be easier to make it do the notifications too
[21:58] <sidi> though
[21:58] <ochosi> sidi: yeah, that plugin also has the grabs
[21:58] <sidi> not everyone uses a panel
[21:58] <bluesabre> oh yeah
[21:58] <sidi> i think that was one of the points made by Jannis originally
[21:58] <ochosi> yeah sure
[21:59] <sidi> i have an important meeting tomorrow, would you like to catch me later this week? is there any emergency for you guys or a deadline coming up?
[21:59] <ochosi> no, no worries. this can wait
[21:59] <ochosi> all i want is symbolic icons for the notifications ;)
[21:59] <bluesabre> Unit193, we can do that, or just add it to the daily packages to reduce work with each exp. release
[22:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: Eh, if we go with releases we can use the normal 'extras' PPA.
[22:00] <ochosi> sidi: i can later send you a patch for that, but i would prefer to know against what codebase and merging volumed-pulse to volumed would be great (maybe with a compile-time switch?)
[22:00] <sidi> ochosi, the thing is they are truly different beasts, and i was gonna burn volumed (original) once i had a libalsa codebase
[22:01] <sidi> i guess i just have to sit down and do it but the PhD takes absolute precedence, + paper deadline coming up for CHI
[22:01] <sidi> i would say the best is to make a new project on the Xfce git with Lionel's stuff
[22:01] <sidi> and let volumed rot in its corner until I graduate :|
[22:02] <ochosi> right, that would be an alternative if you don't wanna make your stuff (which will also likely end up a truly different beast - am i right? :)) a new project *if* it ever happens.. ;) 
[22:03] <sidi> my libalsa "fork" would be a new project based on the current pulse plugins of all sorts and maybe on mixer
[22:03] <sidi> it's also not totally an emergency for me, the sandbox needs publishing, and i have a few other things down the line
[22:03] <sidi> I feel like I need to find a sponsor to let me Xfce all day -___-
[22:03] <ochosi> so you'd just leave volumed as it is and we'll move it to archive later..?
[22:04] <ochosi> sidi: well there's the bountysource donation money if you're really committed... but i guess we would have to discuss with the "team" what work would be priority #1
[22:04] <bluesabre> that sounds sane to me
[22:04] <bluesabre> move the lp stuff to git.xfce as xfce4-volumed-pulse or pulsed or something to that extent
[22:05] <sidi> ochosi, I would extremely very seriously consider this
[22:05] <sidi> i do want to have a research break after the PhD too :-)
[22:05] <bluesabre> :)
[22:05] <ochosi> sidi: well if that's the case then think about how much money you need for a month of working on xfce
[22:05] <ochosi> and i guess the best would be if you just send a proposal to the ML
[22:08] <sidi> yup. i'll look into this in 2017 :-)
[22:08] <ochosi> hey - don't rush things!
[22:08] <ochosi> ;)
[22:10] <bluesabre> :D
[22:12] <ochosi> meh, there are even two branches ready for merging :'(
[22:12] <ochosi> https://code.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed-pulse
[22:16] <bluesabre> some of those might be included as patches in ubuntu
[22:16] <ochosi> yeah, probably ali's patch
[22:16] <bluesabre> the fork-before-gtk-init patch is
[22:16] <bluesabre> that
[22:17] <ochosi> so i guess that one should be pushed to git as well
[22:17] <ochosi> and the LP project should be shut down as soon as it the code is moved
[22:17] <ochosi> or at least the gitorious URL should be replaced
[22:18] <bluesabre> yup
[22:18] <bluesabre> we'll have to reach out to lionel to move that to xubuntu-dev
[22:18] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[22:19] <ochosi> yeah, gotta get some sleep
[22:19] <ochosi> night