 @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @yofel I'd like to get the Backports PPA updated with Plasma 5.7.4, Frameworks 5.25.0, and Applications 16.08.0 (if possible) next week(end) when I'm done getting things together. A few questions:
 
  1. Do we have any technical limitations and if so what are they?
  2. How hard is it to update this PPA with all the latest releases now and in the future? Do we face anything challenging in doing so?
  3. What does the Updates PPA do and why is it not used for Xenial at the moment?
  4. If this sounds reasonable, who's willing to help? :)
 night all o/
 @tsimonq2 please stop trying to mess up Trello
 If you don't stop, I'll ban you from the board
 You need to be more careful when working with it
 Also, please be more considerate of other people
 Remember, we are all volunteers here, doing this for fun
[07:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:28] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I'm not sure all of those Xenial backports are entirely realistic for the backports ppa over one weekend, or even perhaps 2. However, yes, I think we need to push on with better updates for that and upgrade testing to make it a smooth and good transition
[08:55] <tsdgeos> mitya57: your dbusmenu patch is a bit confusing when run under unity7 though since now i get menus in the topbar *and* in the app window
[08:55] <tsdgeos> double the menus, double the fun!
[08:55] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:55] <mitya57> tsdgeos, then you need also this: https://codereview.qt-project.org/170467 :)
[08:56] <mitya57> Though my patch shouldn't have introduced that. Wasn't this already the case in Xenial?
[08:57] <tsdgeos> no because i never used appmenu-qt5 for this speficic reason :D
[08:58] <mitya57> OK. I hope to get both patches into the next upload. Testing / +1-ing on codereview appreciated, of course.
[09:00] <tsdgeos> will try to test
[09:00] <tsdgeos> tx for the pointer
[09:22] <soee> hiho
[09:30] <blaze> yay, gnupg 2.1 is now default one!
[09:31] <blaze> I'm so happy
[09:40]  * acheronuk wonders if that will break his gpg-agent
 @ovidiuflorin, ...an example would be nice...
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:48] <santa_> ahoneybun: when is the KC voting suposed to end sept 12th? because I have seen another mail saying
[11:48] <santa_>  The voting will go
[11:48] <santa_> from that day till the 8th of Sept with the results being put out the next
[11:48] <santa_> day (9th of Sept).
 Yes I know, it took a bit of time for me to find a way to get all the emails
 So I pushed it back a bit so people have time
[11:51] <santa_> so its 12th
 Yep
[11:58] <santa_> so I think I will send soon a doodle for the membership meeting covering dates from 15 to 22
[11:58] <santa_> any objections?
 👍
[13:30] <marco-parillo> I tried again with today's 64-bit daily ISO in a VM. I get a blank screen with a black breeze cursor, but nothing happens. I can <ctrl> <alt> <F1> to get a tty, and can login with kubuntu and an empty password and then sudo poweroff, so I guess the OS loads but not Plasma. Can anybody try to duplicate with today's image in a VM? Ideally VMware?
[13:32] <acheronuk> marco-parillo: can only try in VirtualBox. just zysncing
[13:32] <marco-parillo> TY
[13:44] <acheronuk> marco-parillo: It boots to a live session here rather than the welcome session with it's what do you want to do page, which is what it did before. You briefly see the welcome/intro session start, but it seems to crash out and go to a TTY. But plasma obviously restarts as you can switch back to TTY7 to find the full live session which must have spawned in the background
[13:45] <acheronuk> I guess in different VM methods, you might get it go a different way
[13:46] <acheronuk> clivejo: just testing the YY daily, and yes, the favourites in kicker are indeed back
[13:47] <marco-parillo> TY. So it might be a VMware problem. I actually prefer it goes straight to the live session, which eliminates a click one of my use cases for Kubuntu (read-only ISO for home banking). And on real HW with the image of just a couple of days ago, that worked fine.
[13:49] <acheronuk> I have a Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old, which certain confirms I had 2 sessions start. The first crashing, and then failing to switch VT
[13:50] <acheronuk> The end of the .old one http://i.imgur.com/Yt2VZSI.png
[13:53] <acheronuk> Oh, but you get the breeze cursor, so clearly not getting what I did. Sorry. 
[14:15] <tsdgeos> mitya57: that other patch for no double menubars seems to work well
[14:15] <tsdgeos> makes the "show menubar" option of some kxmlgui-based apps rather useless 
[14:15] <tsdgeos> but that's another story
[14:15] <tsdgeos> i guess one should hide that action in the menus when using native menubars
[14:19] <santa_> hmm
[14:19] <santa_> https://telegram.me/joinchat/069abc1701c2ceae0e45bf81d458c9d1
[14:20] <santa_> ↑ apparently this link isn't working for me
[14:20] <santa_> do we have a newer invitation link to the telegram group?
 To this telegram?
[14:25] <acheronuk> too late "santa_ has quit"
[14:31] <jimarvan> santa is back
[14:31] <acheronuk> santa_: the telegram for this channel specifically?
[14:31] <jimarvan> :D
[14:32] <santa_> yeah, thanks for noticing XD
[14:32] <santa_> I had to move
[14:32] <santa_> acheronuk: yes, the telegram group for this channel
[14:33] <acheronuk> someone can add you, I know that. not sure about invite links
[14:35] <jimarvan> is our good old "good stuff" around?
[14:35] <jimarvan> xD
[14:36] <acheronuk> jimarvan: still on holiday maybe?
[14:36] <jimarvan> aha :D
[14:36] <jimarvan> he should come to cornwall
 Telegram link for this group https://telegram.me/joinchat/BwCsyj2agdiZ2So7j4NZYQ
 Test
 Great
 Thanks for the link
 Please change your avatar to something family friendly
 You're welcome
 Let me check what i have
 Done
 Thank you
 You guys still at academy?
 *and ladies ;)
 Not me, I Couldn't attend
 Meet The New Default Wallpaper of Ubuntu 16.10 - OMG! Ubuntu!
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/ubuntu-16-10-default-wallpaper
 :)
[15:28] <acheronuk> I quite like that. For a ubuntu one
 Plasma default wallpapers 10x > ubuntu
 For me it is boring seeing almost the same each release there
 My last day
 Heading home tomorrow
 Santa good to hear that you will apply soon
 /me is heading home tomorrow as well -- at 4:15 am!
 but I won't arrive home for another 30 hours or some crazy thing
 What? Going via Australia?
 Layover in Oslo
 Also it's a long way from Berlin to Seattle, especially on the "cheapo" flights
[16:45] <blaze> I can reach Berlin in ~10hrs, but never been there :p
[16:48] <blaze> maybe even faster but anyways
[16:58] <soee_> http://motorcykle.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BMW-g310-top-speed-6.gif
 Lunch timw
 *time
 o/
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk @Valoriez I found how we can see @yofel work and get all the protipz looool https://github.com/gravitational/teleconsole
 We should make him work in a terminal for the day :P
 I'm pretty sure phil does most of his work in the terminal
 aside from testing
[22:33] <tsimonq2> hmmm
[22:33] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: still around?
 No. :P
 @acheronuk, Apps 16.04.3 needs a LOT of FFEs?
 I have no idea if one can be done for the whole apps release or not
 @yofel @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk what's the plan for Apps 16.04.3 and Yakkety?
 just asked
 lol
 remember, WWYD?
 *WWPD
 I prefer to refer to him by his IRC nick
 I think when everyone gets back from akademy we need to get on BBB and either find out what they decided or discussed, or have that discussion
[22:40]  * tsimonq2 runs
 @acheronuk, good idea
 Please stop pinging me. I'm trying to sleep
 Apologies
 I imagine everyone at akademy had a long week, and it's nearly midnight on 1am europe time
 Ideally it could be a few hours with all the active ninjas, so we could consider doing the following:
  1. Decide if we are gonna put the effort in or who's going to bribe the release team to get Apps 16.04.3 in Yakkety archive.
  2. What is the plan for the backports PPA?
  3. Yofl could teach us good techniques and what goes through his head when updating symbols (common references etc.)
  4. Clive's Kubuntu Developer meeting. (if he wants to, but it would be a good idea if the session would be a couple hours :P)
  5. Swap notes on Akademy topics.
 I mean it may be a shorter thing
 but there's a few things we really need to decide...
 including that, lolk
 *lol
 @acheronuk if that sounds reasonable to you, I can send an email with a Doodle
 (but just hinting at #4 :P)
[23:02] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: maybe. honestly, I'm a little too tired to consider it tonight beyond what I've already said
[23:02] <acheronuk> zzzzzzzzzzz
[23:02] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: fair enough
[23:03] <tsimonq2> sucks I'm the only (active) ninja in the US :P
 Simon
 @Santa, Santa
 oh, are you in the US? :D
 I can help you with symbols files one of these days
 ooooooh :D
 I'm not in the us
 oh ok :/
 @Santa, http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akonadi/\
 I really want to see how that's done
 but unfortunately I'm not at my computer
 Bur i'm in a bar where someone is singing "trolled in the us"
[23:20]  * acheronuk yawn - tell me when you do that if it's no prob
 would you like to fix it and propose your code so I can see? or would you rather just walk me through?
 @Santa, LOL
[23:20] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: talking about symbols?
[23:20] <acheronuk> yes
[23:20] <tsimonq2> ok
[23:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: depends on what Santa is more comfortable with
 giving us code or walking us through
 :P
 Ok, i've seen the merge request already, so when i get some free time, maybe this weekend I could explain you some things about symbols files
[23:22] <acheronuk> bit of both would be the ideal I would say
 ok Santa  :)
 it would help if you set your nick so I could just do @Santa
 or something like that
 Today's daily boots fine with no CPP and GCC issues
 \o/ 👍👍
 Going to try to install over plain Ubuntu today
 Mm in a VM plamsashell started
 But not on real hardware
 A simple plasmashell in krunner worked
 Odd that the panel did not come either
 Also Firefox will not start
 No crashes during installation
 good
 Got thrown to tty after hitting restart for some reason
 Mm discover says I have no updates but apt says otherwise
 consider filing bugs appropriately? ;)
 Also Firefox works now
 Testing my own script now ;)
[23:57] <ahoneybun> mm works other then the snap part