[03:47] @acheronuk @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @yofel I'd like to get the Backports PPA updated with Plasma 5.7.4, Frameworks 5.25.0, and Applications 16.08.0 (if possible) next week(end) when I'm done getting things together. A few questions: [03:47] [03:47] 1. Do we have any technical limitations and if so what are they? [03:47] 2. How hard is it to update this PPA with all the latest releases now and in the future? Do we face anything challenging in doing so? [03:47] 3. What does the Updates PPA do and why is it not used for Xenial at the moment? [03:47] 4. If this sounds reasonable, who's willing to help? :) [03:47] night all o/ [06:30] @tsimonq2 please stop trying to mess up Trello [06:30] If you don't stop, I'll ban you from the board [06:31] You need to be more careful when working with it [06:31] Also, please be more considerate of other people [06:32] Remember, we are all volunteers here, doing this for fun [07:17] Good morning. [08:28] tsimonq2: I'm not sure all of those Xenial backports are entirely realistic for the backports ppa over one weekend, or even perhaps 2. However, yes, I think we need to push on with better updates for that and upgrade testing to make it a smooth and good transition [08:55] mitya57: your dbusmenu patch is a bit confusing when run under unity7 though since now i get menus in the topbar *and* in the app window [08:55] double the menus, double the fun! [08:55] :D [08:55] tsdgeos, then you need also this: https://codereview.qt-project.org/170467 :) [08:56] Though my patch shouldn't have introduced that. Wasn't this already the case in Xenial? [08:57] no because i never used appmenu-qt5 for this speficic reason :D [08:58] OK. I hope to get both patches into the next upload. Testing / +1-ing on codereview appreciated, of course. [09:00] will try to test [09:00] tx for the pointer [09:22] hiho [09:30] yay, gnupg 2.1 is now default one! [09:31] I'm so happy [09:40] * acheronuk wonders if that will break his gpg-agent [11:14] @ovidiuflorin, ...an example would be nice... [11:21] Hiyas all [11:48] ahoneybun: when is the KC voting suposed to end sept 12th? because I have seen another mail saying [11:48] The voting will go [11:48] from that day till the 8th of Sept with the results being put out the next [11:48] day (9th of Sept). [11:50] Yes I know, it took a bit of time for me to find a way to get all the emails [11:50] So I pushed it back a bit so people have time [11:51] so its 12th [11:54] Yep [11:58] so I think I will send soon a doodle for the membership meeting covering dates from 15 to 22 [11:58] any objections? [12:52] 👍 [13:30] I tried again with today's 64-bit daily ISO in a VM. I get a blank screen with a black breeze cursor, but nothing happens. I can to get a tty, and can login with kubuntu and an empty password and then sudo poweroff, so I guess the OS loads but not Plasma. Can anybody try to duplicate with today's image in a VM? Ideally VMware? [13:32] marco-parillo: can only try in VirtualBox. just zysncing [13:32] TY [13:44] marco-parillo: It boots to a live session here rather than the welcome session with it's what do you want to do page, which is what it did before. You briefly see the welcome/intro session start, but it seems to crash out and go to a TTY. But plasma obviously restarts as you can switch back to TTY7 to find the full live session which must have spawned in the background [13:45] I guess in different VM methods, you might get it go a different way [13:46] clivejo: just testing the YY daily, and yes, the favourites in kicker are indeed back [13:47] TY. So it might be a VMware problem. I actually prefer it goes straight to the live session, which eliminates a click one of my use cases for Kubuntu (read-only ISO for home banking). And on real HW with the image of just a couple of days ago, that worked fine. [13:49] I have a Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old, which certain confirms I had 2 sessions start. The first crashing, and then failing to switch VT [13:50] The end of the .old one http://i.imgur.com/Yt2VZSI.png [13:53] Oh, but you get the breeze cursor, so clearly not getting what I did. Sorry. === santa is now known as Guest66026 === Guest66026 is now known as santa_ [14:15] mitya57: that other patch for no double menubars seems to work well [14:15] makes the "show menubar" option of some kxmlgui-based apps rather useless [14:15] but that's another story [14:15] i guess one should hide that action in the menus when using native menubars [14:19] hmm [14:19] https://telegram.me/joinchat/069abc1701c2ceae0e45bf81d458c9d1 [14:20] ↑ apparently this link isn't working for me [14:20] do we have a newer invitation link to the telegram group? [14:24] To this telegram? [14:25] too late "santa_ has quit" [14:31] santa is back [14:31] santa_: the telegram for this channel specifically? [14:31] :D [14:32] yeah, thanks for noticing XD [14:32] I had to move [14:32] acheronuk: yes, the telegram group for this channel [14:33] someone can add you, I know that. not sure about invite links [14:35] is our good old "good stuff" around? [14:35] xD [14:36] jimarvan: still on holiday maybe? [14:36] aha :D [14:36] he should come to cornwall [14:40] Telegram link for this group https://telegram.me/joinchat/BwCsyj2agdiZ2So7j4NZYQ [14:57] Santa was added by: Santa [14:57] Test [14:57] Great [14:57] Thanks for the link [14:57] Please change your avatar to something family friendly [14:58] You're welcome [14:58] Let me check what i have [15:05] Done [15:13] Thank you [15:24] You guys still at academy? [15:24] *and ladies ;) [15:25] Not me, I Couldn't attend [15:28] Meet The New Default Wallpaper of Ubuntu 16.10 - OMG! Ubuntu! [15:28] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/ubuntu-16-10-default-wallpaper [15:28] :) [15:28] I quite like that. For a ubuntu one [15:29] Plasma default wallpapers 10x > ubuntu [15:30] For me it is boring seeing almost the same each release there [15:37] My last day [15:37] Heading home tomorrow [15:46] Santa good to hear that you will apply soon [15:46] /me is heading home tomorrow as well -- at 4:15 am! [15:46] but I won't arrive home for another 30 hours or some crazy thing [15:48] What? Going via Australia? [16:02] Layover in Oslo [16:03] Also it's a long way from Berlin to Seattle, especially on the "cheapo" flights [16:45] I can reach Berlin in ~10hrs, but never been there :p [16:48] maybe even faster but anyways [16:58] http://motorcykle.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BMW-g310-top-speed-6.gif [17:18] Lunch timw [17:18] *time [17:18] o/ [17:48] @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk @Valoriez I found how we can see @yofel work and get all the protipz looool https://github.com/gravitational/teleconsole [17:50] We should make him work in a terminal for the day :P [18:16] I'm pretty sure phil does most of his work in the terminal [18:16] aside from testing [22:33] hmmm [22:33] acheronuk: still around? [22:35] No. :P [22:35] @acheronuk, Apps 16.04.3 needs a LOT of FFEs? [22:37] I have no idea if one can be done for the whole apps release or not [22:37] @yofel @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk what's the plan for Apps 16.04.3 and Yakkety? [22:37] just asked [22:37] lol [22:38] remember, WWYD? [22:38] *WWPD [22:39] I prefer to refer to him by his IRC nick [22:39] I think when everyone gets back from akademy we need to get on BBB and either find out what they decided or discussed, or have that discussion === tsimonq2 changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety feature freeze | Plasma 5.7.2 Y-ARCHIVE & X-STAGING 5.6.5 X-BACKPORTS / Apps 16.04.03 Y-STAGING, X-STAGING / FW 5.24 Y-ARCHIVE & X-STAGING, 5.23 X-BACKPORTS | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://v.gd/4HkHpf [22:40] * tsimonq2 runs [22:40] @acheronuk, good idea [22:43] Please stop pinging me. I'm trying to sleep [22:44] Apologies [22:46] I imagine everyone at akademy had a long week, and it's nearly midnight on 1am europe time [22:48] Ideally it could be a few hours with all the active ninjas, so we could consider doing the following: [22:48] 1. Decide if we are gonna put the effort in or who's going to bribe the release team to get Apps 16.04.3 in Yakkety archive. [22:48] 2. What is the plan for the backports PPA? [22:48] 3. Yofl could teach us good techniques and what goes through his head when updating symbols (common references etc.) [22:48] 4. Clive's Kubuntu Developer meeting. (if he wants to, but it would be a good idea if the session would be a couple hours :P) [22:48] 5. Swap notes on Akademy topics. [22:48] I mean it may be a shorter thing [22:48] but there's a few things we really need to decide... [22:49] including that, lolk [22:49] *lol [22:50] @acheronuk if that sounds reasonable to you, I can send an email with a Doodle [22:50] (but just hinting at #4 :P) === tsimonq2 changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety feature freeze | Plasma 5.7.2 Y-ARCHIVE & X-STAGING 5.6.5 X-BACKPORTS / Apps 16.04.03 Y-STAGING, X-STAGING / FW 5.24 Y-ARCHIVE & X-STAGING, 5.23 X-BACKPORTS | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging === tsimonq2 changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing - Developer/contributor channel | Yakkety feature freeze | Support in #kubuntu | Plasma 5.7.2 Y-ARCHIVE & X-STAGING 5.6.5 X-BACKPORTS / Apps 16.04.03 Y-STAGING, X-STAGING / FW 5.24 Y-ARCHIVE & X-STAGING, 5.23 X-BACKPORTS | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging [23:02] tsimonq2: maybe. honestly, I'm a little too tired to consider it tonight beyond what I've already said [23:02] zzzzzzzzzzz [23:02] acheronuk: fair enough [23:03] sucks I'm the only (active) ninja in the US :P [23:17] Simon [23:18] @Santa, Santa [23:18] oh, are you in the US? :D [23:18] I can help you with symbols files one of these days [23:18] ooooooh :D [23:18] I'm not in the us [23:19] oh ok :/ [23:19] @Santa, http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akonadi/\ [23:19] I really want to see how that's done [23:19] but unfortunately I'm not at my computer [23:19] Bur i'm in a bar where someone is singing "trolled in the us" [23:20] * acheronuk yawn - tell me when you do that if it's no prob [23:20] would you like to fix it and propose your code so I can see? or would you rather just walk me through? [23:20] @Santa, LOL [23:20] acheronuk: talking about symbols? [23:20] yes [23:20] ok [23:21] acheronuk: depends on what Santa is more comfortable with [23:21] giving us code or walking us through [23:21] :P [23:22] Ok, i've seen the merge request already, so when i get some free time, maybe this weekend I could explain you some things about symbols files [23:22] bit of both would be the ideal I would say [23:22] ok Santa :) [23:22] it would help if you set your nick so I could just do @Santa [23:23] or something like that === mgolden is now known as mgolden_ [23:28] Today's daily boots fine with no CPP and GCC issues [23:28] \o/ 👍👍 [23:28] Going to try to install over plain Ubuntu today [23:30] Mm in a VM plamsashell started [23:30] But not on real hardware [23:30] A simple plasmashell in krunner worked [23:31] Odd that the panel did not come either [23:32] Also Firefox will not start [23:40] No crashes during installation [23:41] good [23:41] Got thrown to tty after hitting restart for some reason [23:45] Mm discover says I have no updates but apt says otherwise [23:45] consider filing bugs appropriately? ;) [23:45] Also Firefox works now [23:46] Testing my own script now ;) [23:57] mm works other then the snap part