| bazhang | kernel 4.6? is that like a zebra kernel or something | 00:36 |
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| enchi | Why was I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic? | 22:19 |
| k1l | enchi: hi. i am not an op there and dont have a full backlog, but the bantracker says the ban was for your repeated foul language. ikonia made the ban but he is not online right now. i suppose you come back somewhat later when he or another op is available. | 22:32 |
| elky | enchi: we might be convinced to let you back in if you can manage to not blatently bait trouble with bad language again. | 22:42 |
| enchi | Sorry, an op had told me that talking about that programming language was acceptable | 22:46 |
| enchi | I've seen people mention it when it wasn't relevant beore | 22:46 |
| enchi | before* | 22:47 |
| enchi | So I didn't realise it would be an issue | 22:47 |
| elky | In a context where you were warned against swearing pretty much every single day, and given more chances that i have hairs on my head, it was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Do you comprehend that? | 22:48 |
| wxl | i think ideally, you would just refrain from using inappropriate language, regardless of the context. you know, just in case. | 22:50 |
| wxl | that esoteric programming language has got SUCH a trolly name. | 22:50 |
| dax | hrm, so, my opinion... | 22:51 |
| dax | mentioning brainfuck in #ubuntu-offtopic has been deemed fine before when it's done to, you know, discuss brainfuck | 22:51 |
| dax | it's like the prototypical example of our Guidelines being more nuanced than "HURR DURR NO SWEARING EVER" | 22:51 |
| dax | but clearly using it to avoid our ban on actual cussing would be bad | 22:52 |
| wxl | i can accept that, but at the same time, it certainly could be muted a bit | 22:52 |
| dax | and the thing you got banned for was halfway in between those two scenarios | 22:52 |
| elky | yeah, the logs clearly demonstrate a "lol ima try get away with LOOPHOLE" | 22:52 |
| dax | which would usually lead to "maybe we shouldn't have banned for borderline", but there's the additional complication of previous operator interaction | 22:52 |
| wxl | e.g. brainf**k. i mean, at that point, it at least shows some reasonable attempt to try to be considered | 22:53 |
| dax | elky: i read it (when i was there at the time, and now) as making fun of OERIAS being a prat | 22:53 |
| wxl | s/ered/erate/ | 22:53 |
| elky | wxl: nah, obfuscated language is the same thing, only intended to get around word filters and thus LOOPHOLE | 22:53 |
| dax | it's a complicated situation, and it's the sort of thing that should have provoked a PM conversation, and if it didn't then then we should probably have a conversation now instead, and so we are | 22:53 |
| elky | i don' like people exploiting loopholes. | 22:54 |
| dax | and if he'd said, with my apologies for the example, "go brainfuck yourself", i would see your point much more clearly | 22:54 |
| dax | but he was replying to someone else being an idiot about bitchx | 22:54 |
| wxl | admittedly, it was an isolated example. there was not a lot of conversation pre/proceeding it | 22:55 |
| wxl | that PARTICULAR issue, that is | 22:55 |
| wxl | the fact that there's additional history doesn't help much. | 22:57 |
| elky | dax: i'm not convinced it was making fun of oerias so much as joining in for the meme/troll. | 22:57 |
| dax | wxl: agreed | 22:57 |
| wxl | elky: looking at the logs, that's my take on it as well. | 22:57 |
| elky | and that's based on my previous interactions with enchi | 22:58 |
| elky | since that's a thing enchi does frequently | 22:58 |
| wxl | yep, and that's clear looking back through the logs. | 22:58 |
| dax | ps i just noticed that we seem to have jumbled up -ops and -ops-team | 22:58 |
| dax | so you know, hi enchi | 22:58 |
| wxl | hahahahah | 22:58 |
| elky | as i said, i'm willing to lift the ban if there can be assurance that past behaviours will not continue to be embraced, as people are frankly very very bored of them. | 23:00 |
| dax | works for me | 23:01 |
| dax | /afk | 23:01 |
| wxl | i would concur with that as well. | 23:01 |
| wxl | perhaps this would be a good time for enchi to have a refresher on the guidelines and the CoC | 23:01 |
| enchi | Sure, what's the link? | 23:02 |
| wxl | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 23:02 |
| enchi | Hi dax :< | 23:02 |
| enchi | Thanks | 23:02 |
| wxl | might be good to pay attention to the section "Don't be annoying" | 23:03 |
| enchi | Yes, I see it says not to continue misbehaving after you've been asked to stop. Like I said I didn't realise I was misbehaving but I'll do my best | 23:05 |
| dax | and now you know and knowing is half the battle =====* | 23:08 |
| elky | enchi: we understand that that particular topic was ambiguous, but surely you're aware of when you're doing trolly things or jumping on a "lets be annoying" bandwagon. | 23:24 |
| enchi | I don't usually think before I say things | 23:26 |
| dax | that may be worth practicing | 23:27 |
| elky | do you think you can put some extra effort into doing that? | 23:29 |
| elky | i know i personally have the urge to say trolly annoying stuff in the channel often but i can stop myself because i think before i hit enter. | 23:30 |
| enchi | I can certainly try. The problem with not thinking is that I don't think to think if you know what I mean | 23:35 |
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