[00:36] kernel 4.6? is that like a zebra kernel or something [22:19] Why was I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic? [22:32] enchi: hi. i am not an op there and dont have a full backlog, but the bantracker says the ban was for your repeated foul language. ikonia made the ban but he is not online right now. i suppose you come back somewhat later when he or another op is available. [22:42] enchi: we might be convinced to let you back in if you can manage to not blatently bait trouble with bad language again. [22:46] Sorry, an op had told me that talking about that programming language was acceptable [22:46] I've seen people mention it when it wasn't relevant beore [22:47] before* [22:47] So I didn't realise it would be an issue [22:48] In a context where you were warned against swearing pretty much every single day, and given more chances that i have hairs on my head, it was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Do you comprehend that? [22:50] i think ideally, you would just refrain from using inappropriate language, regardless of the context. you know, just in case. [22:50] that esoteric programming language has got SUCH a trolly name. [22:51] hrm, so, my opinion... [22:51] mentioning brainfuck in #ubuntu-offtopic has been deemed fine before when it's done to, you know, discuss brainfuck [22:51] it's like the prototypical example of our Guidelines being more nuanced than "HURR DURR NO SWEARING EVER" [22:52] but clearly using it to avoid our ban on actual cussing would be bad [22:52] i can accept that, but at the same time, it certainly could be muted a bit [22:52] and the thing you got banned for was halfway in between those two scenarios [22:52] yeah, the logs clearly demonstrate a "lol ima try get away with LOOPHOLE" [22:52] which would usually lead to "maybe we shouldn't have banned for borderline", but there's the additional complication of previous operator interaction [22:53] e.g. brainf**k. i mean, at that point, it at least shows some reasonable attempt to try to be considered [22:53] elky: i read it (when i was there at the time, and now) as making fun of OERIAS being a prat [22:53] s/ered/erate/ [22:53] wxl: nah, obfuscated language is the same thing, only intended to get around word filters and thus LOOPHOLE [22:53] it's a complicated situation, and it's the sort of thing that should have provoked a PM conversation, and if it didn't then then we should probably have a conversation now instead, and so we are [22:54] i don' like people exploiting loopholes. [22:54] and if he'd said, with my apologies for the example, "go brainfuck yourself", i would see your point much more clearly [22:54] but he was replying to someone else being an idiot about bitchx [22:55] admittedly, it was an isolated example. there was not a lot of conversation pre/proceeding it [22:55] that PARTICULAR issue, that is [22:57] the fact that there's additional history doesn't help much. [22:57] dax: i'm not convinced it was making fun of oerias so much as joining in for the meme/troll. [22:57] wxl: agreed [22:57] elky: looking at the logs, that's my take on it as well. [22:58] and that's based on my previous interactions with enchi [22:58] since that's a thing enchi does frequently [22:58] yep, and that's clear looking back through the logs. [22:58] ps i just noticed that we seem to have jumbled up -ops and -ops-team [22:58] so you know, hi enchi [22:58] hahahahah [23:00] as i said, i'm willing to lift the ban if there can be assurance that past behaviours will not continue to be embraced, as people are frankly very very bored of them. [23:01] works for me [23:01] /afk [23:01] i would concur with that as well. [23:01] perhaps this would be a good time for enchi to have a refresher on the guidelines and the CoC [23:02] Sure, what's the link? [23:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [23:02] Hi dax :< [23:02] Thanks [23:03] might be good to pay attention to the section "Don't be annoying" [23:05] Yes, I see it says not to continue misbehaving after you've been asked to stop. Like I said I didn't realise I was misbehaving but I'll do my best [23:08] and now you know and knowing is half the battle =====* [23:24] enchi: we understand that that particular topic was ambiguous, but surely you're aware of when you're doing trolly things or jumping on a "lets be annoying" bandwagon. [23:26] I don't usually think before I say things [23:27] that may be worth practicing [23:29] do you think you can put some extra effort into doing that? [23:30] i know i personally have the urge to say trolly annoying stuff in the channel often but i can stop myself because i think before i hit enter. [23:35] I can certainly try. The problem with not thinking is that I don't think to think if you know what I mean === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang