[00:36] <bazhang> kernel 4.6? is that like a zebra kernel or something
[22:19] <enchi> Why was I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[22:32] <k1l> enchi: hi. i am not an op there and dont have a full backlog, but the bantracker says the ban was for your repeated foul language. ikonia made the ban but he is not online right now. i suppose you come back somewhat later when he or another op is available.
[22:42] <elky> enchi: we might be convinced to let you back in if you can manage to not blatently bait trouble with bad language again.
[22:46] <enchi> Sorry, an op had told me that talking about that programming language was acceptable
[22:46] <enchi> I've seen people mention it when it wasn't relevant beore
[22:47] <enchi> before*
[22:47] <enchi> So I didn't realise it would be an issue
[22:48] <elky> In a context where you were warned against swearing pretty much every single day, and given more chances that i have hairs on my head, it was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Do you comprehend that?
[22:50] <wxl> i think ideally, you would just refrain from using inappropriate language, regardless of the context. you know, just in case.
[22:50] <wxl> that esoteric programming language has got SUCH a trolly name.
[22:51] <dax> hrm, so, my opinion...
[22:51] <dax> mentioning brainfuck in #ubuntu-offtopic has been deemed fine before when it's done to, you know, discuss brainfuck
[22:51] <dax> it's like the prototypical example of our Guidelines being more nuanced than "HURR DURR NO SWEARING EVER"
[22:52] <dax> but clearly using it to avoid our ban on actual cussing would be bad
[22:52] <wxl> i can accept that, but at the same time, it certainly could be muted a bit
[22:52] <dax> and the thing you got banned for was halfway in between those two scenarios
[22:52] <elky> yeah, the logs clearly demonstrate a "lol ima try get away with LOOPHOLE"
[22:52] <dax> which would usually lead to "maybe we shouldn't have banned for borderline", but there's the additional complication of previous operator interaction
[22:53] <wxl> e.g. brainf**k. i mean, at that point, it at least shows some reasonable attempt to try to be considered
[22:53] <dax> elky: i read it (when i was there at the time, and now) as making fun of OERIAS being a prat
[22:53] <wxl> s/ered/erate/
[22:53] <elky> wxl: nah, obfuscated language is the same thing, only intended to get around word filters and thus LOOPHOLE
[22:53] <dax> it's a complicated situation, and it's the sort of thing that should have provoked a PM conversation, and if it didn't then then we should probably have a conversation now instead, and so we are
[22:54] <elky> i don' like people exploiting loopholes.
[22:54] <dax> and if he'd said, with my apologies for the example, "go brainfuck yourself", i would see your point much more clearly
[22:54] <dax> but he was replying to someone else being an idiot about bitchx
[22:55] <wxl> admittedly, it was an isolated example. there was not a lot of conversation pre/proceeding it
[22:55] <wxl> that PARTICULAR issue, that is
[22:57] <wxl> the fact that there's additional history doesn't help much.
[22:57] <elky> dax: i'm not convinced it was making fun of oerias so much as joining in for the meme/troll.
[22:57] <dax> wxl: agreed
[22:57] <wxl> elky: looking at the logs, that's my take on it as well.
[22:58] <elky> and that's based on my previous interactions with enchi
[22:58] <elky> since that's a thing enchi does frequently
[22:58] <wxl> yep, and that's clear looking back through the logs.
[22:58] <dax> ps i just noticed that we seem to have jumbled up -ops and -ops-team
[22:58] <dax> so you know, hi enchi
[22:58] <wxl> hahahahah
[23:00] <elky> as i said, i'm willing to lift the ban if there can be assurance that past behaviours will not continue to be embraced, as people are frankly very very bored of them.
[23:01] <dax> works for me
[23:01] <dax> /afk
[23:01] <wxl> i would concur with that as well.
[23:01] <wxl> perhaps this would be a good time for enchi to have a refresher on the guidelines and the CoC
[23:02] <enchi> Sure, what's the link?
[23:02] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[23:02] <enchi> Hi dax :<
[23:02] <enchi> Thanks
[23:03] <wxl> might be good to pay attention to the section "Don't be annoying"
[23:05] <enchi> Yes, I see it says not to continue misbehaving after you've been asked to stop. Like I said I didn't realise I was misbehaving but I'll do my best
[23:08] <dax> and now you know and knowing is half the battle [23:24] <elky> enchi: we understand that that particular topic was ambiguous, but surely you're aware of when you're doing trolly things or jumping on a "lets be annoying" bandwagon.
[23:26] <enchi> I don't usually think before I say things
[23:27] <dax> that may be worth practicing
[23:29] <elky> do you think you can put some extra effort into doing that?
[23:30] <elky> i know i personally have the urge to say trolly annoying stuff in the channel often but i can stop myself because i think before i hit enter.
[23:35] <enchi> I can certainly try. The problem with not thinking is that I don't think to think if you know what I mean