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hikikoHi05:14
jbichahi05:28
pittiGood morning05:30
seb128hey there, good morning and friday desktopers!07:04
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pittiseb128: bon vendredi, Sebastien !07:47
seb128salut pitti, bon vendredi à toi également ! comment ça va aujourd'hui ?07:48
pittiseb128: ça va très bien, merci ! J'apprécie l'été tard :)07:48
seb128oui, mois aussi, mais il fait trop chaud l'après-midi ici07:49
seb128it's almost like in July when yoyy guys came07:49
pittiet pour la varieté nous allons rester à la maison ce week-end07:49
seb128vous allez pouvoir vous reposer ;-)07:50
pittien effet !07:50
pittiseb128: pas autant d'alcool comme le weekend dernier :)07:51
seb128vous avez beaucoup bu ?07:53
pittiseb128: oui, aved nos amis au Spreewald07:55
pittiI learned "flunky ball"07:55
seb128what is that?07:56
pittiit's similar to Kubb, but with drinking :)07:56
pittitwo groups, everyone has a beer bottle in front of them, and a mostly empty water bottle in the middle of the field07:56
seb128of course, drinking games ;-)07:56
pittiin each turn one in the group throws a ball onto the water bottle, and if they hit, everyone in the group drinks from the beer bottle as fast as possible07:57
pittiuntil the other team grabs the ball, puts the bottle back upright, and gets back to their mark07:57
seb128I see07:57
seb128not my kind of game07:58
pittiand whenever someone finishes the bottle, put the bottle over your head upside down and leave the field07:58
pittiheh, I never played either07:58
seb128I enjoy some drinks but rather while relaxing and talking ;-)07:58
pittibut it's these things which are fun to try once, with the right people :)07:58
seb128I guess yeah07:58
pittiand oh well, one beer in the afternoon doesn't kill you; we drank the other stuff around the fire at night, calmly :)07:59
pittiat least we did some hours of canooing before :)07:59
seb128:-)07:59
willcookemorning all08:02
Laneymeow08:02
seb128hey willcooke, Laney08:02
seb128u.k team perfectly synchronized today08:03
seb128how are you?08:03
pittihey willcooke, hey Laney!08:03
Laneyhi hi!08:04
* Laney is doing gooooooooood08:06
Laneynice climb last night, fingers feel the burn08:06
seb128nice08:07
Laneyhow arey ou?08:07
seb128I'm good thanks08:09
davmor2Laney: at the corbyn rally?08:14
Laneyclimbing the steps towards power08:15
flexiondotorgLaney, Do you have a new minutes to discuss how I might introduce MATE 1.15/1.16 into Ubuntu MATE 16.10?08:59
flexiondotorg*few even.08:59
LaneyOk09:00
LaneyIs it versionitis or is there a real reason?09:00
flexiondotorgMATE 1.15 is the development version for what will be MATE 1.16.09:00
flexiondotorgMATE 1.15 tarballs have been released for all components, some have had several point releases over many months.09:01
flexiondotorgI've been build and testing them in a PPA.09:01
flexiondotorgMATE 1.16 is currently schedule for release September 26th.09:01
flexiondotorgAh.09:01
flexiondotorgScheduled for September 20th.09:01
LaneyFile a FFe bug and explain why you want this09:02
flexiondotorgMATE 1.15/1.16 is just fixes/improvements for the GTK3 implementation.09:02
flexiondotorgThere are no new features.09:02
LaneyThen you don't need an exception, and it's up to you09:02
flexiondotorgBut lots of fixes.09:02
flexiondotorgAH, here's the rub.09:02
LaneyWhy didn't you upload these versions all along?09:02
flexiondotorgGetting to that...09:02
flexiondotorgMATE is partly busted in Debian testing and unstable because GTK 3.21 landed there.09:03
flexiondotorgMATE 1.16 is GTK 3.22 compatible.09:03
flexiondotorgMy Debian sponsors don't want to upload MATE 1.15 to unstable and the re-upload MATE 1.16 again a few weeks later.09:03
flexiondotorgI have no upload rights in Debian.09:04
flexiondotorgTypically, I submit the packaging to Debian and sponsors upload it.09:04
flexiondotorgI think sync to Ubuntu.09:04
flexiondotorgAs you say, I could upload directly to Ubuntu.09:04
flexiondotorgAnd this is the first time, that would suit me.09:04
flexiondotorgI would like to upload MATE 1.15 to the 16.10 archive, so it gets testing during beta2. I then upload MATE 1.16 when it is released.09:05
flexiondotorgI will likely have to upload all this directly to Ubuntu, but not sync from Debian again until the y series opens.09:06
flexiondotorgYour thoughts?09:06
LaneyIf they only fix bugs then I don't see why you wouldn't do it09:09
Laneyin fact I don't see why you *didn't* do it earlier in the release cycle, but I don't know all the facts :-)09:09
flexiondotorgWell, I just prefer to work on MATE in Debian and then sync to Ubuntu.09:13
flexiondotorgI met the Debian Developer leading the MATE packaging team a couple of years ago.09:14
flexiondotorgAnd we agreed how we could work together on this, so both Debian and Ubuntu benefit from one effort.09:14
flexiondotorgSo my main concern is breaking away from that tradition.09:15
LaneyYeah - you should work from the same VCS if possible (and use experimental, etc)09:15
LaneySometimes the actual uploads can't happen simultaneously for one reason or another09:15
flexiondotorgI'd still be commiting all changes to Debian, just uploading directly to Ubuntu on my own schedule.09:15
LaneyBut if you do the work in that VCS then nobody has to repeat what you've already done09:16
flexiondotorgCorrect.09:16
flexiondotorgI know that working upstream and sync from upstream is preferred. And I've been doing that.09:17
flexiondotorgI wanted to check that what I'm proposing it "OK".09:17
flexiondotorgSounds like it should be.09:17
LaneyYes, and like I say I would even do this sooner in future09:19
LaneyDecide what version you want in the release and if that's the in-development one then you can upload the point releases that lead up to that too09:19
flexiondotorgWell, I didn't think MATE 1.15 was actually ready until about 3 weeks ago.09:19
flexiondotorgANd I've been very busy with work.09:19
flexiondotorgSo this was my first opportunity.09:19
LaneyDon't they have a time based schedule?09:20
flexiondotorgNo, small team.09:35
flexiondotorgWe've been trying to meet the GNOME3 release cadence the last two releases.09:36
flexiondotorgThis is the first release we've picked a release date to work to.09:36
Laney'k09:36
LaneyWell, good luck with it09:37
flexiondotorgMostly so Fedora 25 gets MATE 1.16, but the Ubuntu release schedules are closely aligned this cycle.09:37
flexiondotorgThanks for the the input and listening Laney.09:37
qenghogood morning.10:13
willcookehey qengho10:37
qenghowillcooke: I uploaded a snap yesterday, but it is not as good as I wanted until some snapd bugs are fixed.10:43
willcookeqengho, thanks.  What's the upshot of it not being as good as you would like?  Also - can you prepare an email to Warthogs letting people know that a demo version is available?10:45
qenghowillcooke: I'll want to move the profile dir. It's too big to copy around, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/161106310:46
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1611063 in snapd (Ubuntu) "can't mkdir SNAP_USER_COMMON directory" [Undecided,Triaged]10:46
willcookeah, is this the upgrade issue?10:46
willcookewhen you get a new version it b0rks?10:46
qenghowillcooke: Yes, this would avoid that.10:47
willcookegot it10:47
willcookethanks10:47
willcookeIMO inperfect POC is inperfect10:47
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xnoxLaney, pitti: do you measure systemd-graphical-session user feedback based on people complaining about xeyes starring at them? =)10:56
* xnox systemctl --user mask xeyes.service10:56
pittixnox: ah, you have the PPA enabled :)10:58
pittixnox: xeyes was my first PoC unit, and later we kept it to immediately see if the session was started by systemd or upstart10:58
pitti(the REAL reason is of course that everybody loves xeyes!)10:59
xnoxwaaaaha i got new wallpaper =) so shiny, so bright =)10:59
xnoxpitti, do you know the magic to get unity8 session? it's promised to be pre-installed, but i don't see that yet.10:59
pittixnox: apt install unity8-desktop-session11:00
xnoxtah11:02
xnoxLaney, there was something odd with gnome-terminal. I had it pinned to launcher, but clicking it would generate a new icon. I opened terminal, pinned the "opened icon", removed "old" icon from pinning and now it works.11:03
xnoxwas desktop file renamed or some such?11:03
xnoxok unity8 session is not usable for me11:05
Laneydon't think so11:05
xnoxunity8 graphical session (a) doesn't detect highdpi (b) has no system settings to set dpi with mouse pointer11:06
xnoxbregma, ^11:06
* xnox is sad11:06
xnoxpitti, is there a user journal?11:07
xnoxjournalctl --user -> No journal files were found11:07
pittixnox: there is if you use persistent journal, otherwise it's just one11:07
pittixnox: i. e. journalctl also shows user units11:08
xnoxack, will enable on this laptop.11:09
Laneythere's a --user-unit= flag11:09
pittixnox: you don't need to enable persistent journal to see user units11:18
pittithey are in the normal (ephemeral) system-level journal11:19
seb128happyaron, hey, did you c_yphermox ping about the n-m SRU which has a bug verification-failed?11:56
Trevinhoseb128: hey, I've just noticed that in my xenial install if I now open the online accounts to add gmail.. Once the inner page has loaded, if I try to scroll the content, it becomes all white...12:01
seb128I saw that on my yakkety iso testing12:06
seb128guess that's one for mardy or chrisccoulson12:06
seb128the webview is having an issue12:06
Trevinhoyeah, I've the overlay ppa installed here too... So maybe the problem is there12:07
seb128ah12:07
seb128yeah, likely then12:07
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desrtgood morning!12:54
willcookehey desrt13:17
willcookeHappy Friday!13:17
desrthi willcooke :)13:17
desrthappy friday to you too13:17
desrtany weekend plans?13:17
willcookeI'm playing golf tomorrow morning and then doing something with the kids on Sunday.  Depends what the weather is like.  Maybe tidy up the garden or something13:18
willcooke#old13:18
willcookewhat about you?13:19
willcookePOKEMON!!13:19
desrti didn't take you for the golfer type :)13:19
desrtlol.  no.13:19
desrtbut certainly not ingress, either :)13:19
desrti'll reinstall it in a couple of days once i am absolutely sure my streak is broken13:19
desrtwe're going to hamilton this weekend for supercrawl13:20
desrtall of the various independent galleries on james street north open their doors for free showings until the wee hours of the morning... and the street is filled with food trucks, free concerts, etc...13:20
willcookeI love golf.  I'm not really in to competitive sports, so golf has a nice mix of "a walk in the countryside" and something which pokes at my hunter/gather brain, like planning a route to a target and then either making or messing it up totally13:21
desrtya!  i've always very much enjoyed the calming aspects of golf...13:21
desrtgolf is actually extremely awesome to watch on TV as a backdrop to something else.... like if you have a bunch of people sitting in a room otherwise interacting in some human way... golf in the background is awesome13:22
willcookeJames St sounds excellent13:22
willcooke@ background - yes!  I know what you mean13:22
meetingologywillcooke: Error: "background" is not a valid command.13:22
desrtlots of nice green aerial shots, this guy with a calming voice speaking slowly, ...13:22
* willcooke makes plans for team dinner involving an indoor driving range ;)13:23
desrti'm game.  i actually enjoy golf as well, although i never get a chance to use anything other than a driver or a 9 iron13:23
desrt(driver -- driving range... 9 iron... my parent's cottage has a 9-hole "course".... which is played entirely with a 9-iron)13:23
desrtreally, the "course" is just an area of field where we made some holes in the ground and planted flags :)13:24
willcookeand nice grass13:24
willcookeoops, sorry misead that13:25
willcookethat's awesome13:25
willcookeI wanted to put a sand pit in the garden for the kids13:25
willcookewhich just happened to be bunker sized13:25
desrtlol.13:25
willcookewas denied13:25
desrtthere is a very large natural sand pit in the middle of said field which ends up being smack in the middle of the 2nd and 7th holes.... that thing is deadly13:26
willcooke:))13:26
seb128Laney, do you see bug #1621723 on your hidpi config?14:09
ubot5bug 1621723 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Desktop (nautilus) text no longer scales to HiDPI with the rest of the system. Stays small." [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162172314:09
Laneyyou mean like a directory on the desktop?14:10
seb128would need to check with duflu14:10
seb128but his description sounds like icons on the desktop, so directory or file14:10
seb128I would assume at least14:10
Laneyok, well then it looks fine here: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/desktop.png14:13
seb128k, thanks14:13
seb128I wonder if that's another of those session-job timing issues :-/14:14
LaneyI do have unity in upstart14:14
Laneyerm14:14
Laneysystemd14:14
seb128I asked on the bug if that goes away if he restarts nautilus14:14
seb128Laney, thanks for testing14:14
Laneyannoying that the unity thing keeps going around and takes some days each time14:15
seb128going for some exercice, bbl14:32
davmor2seb128, Laney: in nautilus on yakkety if you click on +other locations does it do anything?  I'm assuming that is how I would add things like an ssh session14:38
seb128davmor2, known issue, j_bicha uploaded a gtk fixed version earlier today14:39
davmor2seb128: ah cool thanks14:39
seb128bug #162121514:39
ubot5bug 1621215 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Sidebar: Other Locations fails to open" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162121514:39
davmor2seb128: nice one thanks14:40
ximionLaney: I'm back from Akademy14:59
ximiongoing throught bugs, feature requests and PRs soon14:59
ximionand going to ping the Debian LDC guy again ^^14:59
Laneyhi ximion15:00
Laneyjust in time for me to go away for a week :-)15:00
ximion:D15:00
ximionwork or vacation?15:00
Laneygoing on summer holiday15:02
willcookein a London bus15:03
Laneytrying to get staging deploy of asgen up before I go15:03
Laneynot sure if I will manage15:03
Laneywillcooke: good for you!15:03
willcookeno I mean, you should go on summer holiday in one15:03
willcookeassuming you aren't already15:04
ximionLaney: that would be awesome!15:04
ximionI will do an AppStream 0.10.1 release next week (Monday, maybe)15:05
ximionalso, as soon as meson is updated in Debian, I can get rid of the dub hacks in the asgen .deb package and use a proper build system15:05
ximionI wonder whether I should rename the appstream-generator binary to asgen at some point in time :P15:06
Laneyunless you hit the compiler bugs that I did15:06
* ximion hates typing15:06
ximionLaney: I never hit any compiler bug with gdc - could be due to Ubuntu doing something weird, or you just ran into a variation that underlinking issue in gdc-6, that was fixed in Debian a few weeks ago15:07
Laneyoptimism, I like it15:08
ximionLaney: the beta-compiler-in-disguise that is LDC in Debian and Ubuntu right now is really terrible... I hope upstream releases a stable version in time so Debian 8 will have a non-broken version15:13
Laneyhttps://paste.debian.net/816079/ <- unstable chroot with gdc15:13
jbichaTrevinho: yes Unity online accounts being broken in yakkety is known, see bug 161367015:14
ubot5bug 1613670 in oxide-qt (Ubuntu) "Webview turns white after clicking on it" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161367015:14
ximionLaney: no problem here, gdc (Debian 6.1.1-11) 6.1.1 2016080215:17
Laneywell don't upgrade then15:18
Laneygood luck in getting that version in a package build15:18
Laney:(15:19
ximionoh, Ubuntu has a nwer version15:19
Laneyno15:20
LaneyI did that test build on sid15:20
Laneyjust that 6.2 hasn't migrated yet15:21
ximionLaney: looks like a case for DustMite https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki and a bug report15:22
ximionI can do that later maybe, when I upgraded my compiler and can actually reproduce this bug15:23
LaneyI already filed it on Launchpad, doko is going to handle fwding it15:23
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-6/+bug/162068115:23
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1620681 in gcc-6 (Ubuntu) "ICE when building appstream-generator" [Undecided,New]15:23
Laneywould have been nice to know about dustmite when minimising the example :P15:24
* Laney was a human dustmite15:24
ximionLaney: oh no! - but thanks for filing the bug!15:24
ximionDustmite is awesome! Just run it and it will give you an exact testcase for the bug15:25
ximion(it never failed me so far)15:25
Laneywell maybe it can find a better one15:25
Laneyhaving to import all of std.path sucks15:25
Laneyso feel free to try15:25
ximionI think I will package dustmite when I have some spare time - it'd be a trivial, close-to-zero-maintenance package15:27
ximionLaney: you're a good human dustmite15:37
ximiondustmite itself didn't produce any better result15:37
Laneyinvoice is in the post15:38
Laneywee15:46
Laneyit's running now15:46
* Laney watches the free disk space with suspicion15:48
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flexiondotorgLaney, following our earlier discussion.16:35
flexiondotorgMATE 1.15 has been uploaded to yakkety. All changes in a branch in Debian git, as agreed with my sponsors there :-)16:36
Laneyflexiondotorg: Nice, good luck with that16:41
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Laneymeh17:25
Laneydidn't get staging.appstream.u.c to work17:25
Laneybackend is running though, will see how that is going in a week17:25
Laneyhappy breakage, see you post hols!17:25
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seb128Lawayney, enjoy your holidays!17:27
mhall119seb128: does the appstream: URL scheme not open gnome-software anymore?17:37
jbichamhall119: xdg-open appstream:org.gnome.gedit.desktop works here17:52
jbichahmm, it works in GNOME but I got an error trying it in Unity :(17:54
jbichamhall119: could you file a bug for that? it looks like uninstall ubuntu-software (but leaving gnome-software installed) works here18:03
mhall119jbicha: what project should I file it against?18:21
jbichaI'm guessing it's actually a gvfs bug but I'd mark it against gnome-software too for now18:21
mhall119jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/162196118:28
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1621961 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "appstream: URL not handled under Unity" [Undecided,New]18:28
* mhall119 still wants a snap: URL scheme that will search installed or in the store18:28
ximionmhall119: when Snappy supports AppStream, you can simply use the appstream:// URLs18:44
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