[05:14] <hikiko> Hi
[05:28] <jbicha> hi
[05:30] <pitti> Good morning
[07:04] <seb128> hey there, good morning and friday desktopers!
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: bon vendredi, Sebastien !
[07:48] <seb128> salut pitti, bon vendredi à toi également ! comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[07:48] <pitti> seb128: ça va très bien, merci ! J'apprécie l'été tard :)
[07:49] <seb128> oui, mois aussi, mais il fait trop chaud l'après-midi ici
[07:49] <seb128> it's almost like in July when yoyy guys came
[07:49] <pitti> et pour la varieté nous allons rester à la maison ce week-end
[07:50] <seb128> vous allez pouvoir vous reposer ;-)
[07:50] <pitti> en effet !
[07:51] <pitti> seb128: pas autant d'alcool comme le weekend dernier :)
[07:53] <seb128> vous avez beaucoup bu ?
[07:55] <pitti> seb128: oui, aved nos amis au Spreewald
[07:55] <pitti> I learned "flunky ball"
[07:56] <seb128> what is that?
[07:56] <pitti> it's similar to Kubb, but with drinking :)
[07:56] <pitti> two groups, everyone has a beer bottle in front of them, and a mostly empty water bottle in the middle of the field
[07:56] <seb128> of course, drinking games ;-)
[07:57] <pitti> in each turn one in the group throws a ball onto the water bottle, and if they hit, everyone in the group drinks from the beer bottle as fast as possible
[07:57] <pitti> until the other team grabs the ball, puts the bottle back upright, and gets back to their mark
[07:57] <seb128> I see
[07:58] <seb128> not my kind of game
[07:58] <pitti> and whenever someone finishes the bottle, put the bottle over your head upside down and leave the field
[07:58] <pitti> heh, I never played either
[07:58] <seb128> I enjoy some drinks but rather while relaxing and talking ;-)
[07:58] <pitti> but it's these things which are fun to try once, with the right people :)
[07:58] <seb128> I guess yeah
[07:59] <pitti> and oh well, one beer in the afternoon doesn't kill you; we drank the other stuff around the fire at night, calmly :)
[07:59] <pitti> at least we did some hours of canooing before :)
[07:59] <seb128> :-)
[08:02] <willcooke> morning all
[08:02] <Laney> meow
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:03] <seb128> u.k team perfectly synchronized today
[08:03] <seb128> how are you?
[08:03] <pitti> hey willcooke, hey Laney!
[08:04] <Laney> hi hi!
[08:06]  * Laney is doing gooooooooood
[08:06] <Laney> nice climb last night, fingers feel the burn
[08:07] <seb128> nice
[08:07] <Laney> how arey ou?
[08:09] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:14] <davmor2> Laney: at the corbyn rally?
[08:15] <Laney> climbing the steps towards power
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Do you have a new minutes to discuss how I might introduce MATE 1.15/1.16 into Ubuntu MATE 16.10?
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> *few even.
[09:00] <Laney> Ok
[09:00] <Laney> Is it versionitis or is there a real reason?
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> MATE 1.15 is the development version for what will be MATE 1.16.
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> MATE 1.15 tarballs have been released for all components, some have had several point releases over many months.
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> I've been build and testing them in a PPA.
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> MATE 1.16 is currently schedule for release September 26th.
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> Ah.
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> Scheduled for September 20th.
[09:02] <Laney> File a FFe bug and explain why you want this
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> MATE 1.15/1.16 is just fixes/improvements for the GTK3 implementation.
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> There are no new features.
[09:02] <Laney> Then you don't need an exception, and it's up to you
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> But lots of fixes.
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> AH, here's the rub.
[09:02] <Laney> Why didn't you upload these versions all along?
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> Getting to that...
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> MATE is partly busted in Debian testing and unstable because GTK 3.21 landed there.
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> MATE 1.16 is GTK 3.22 compatible.
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> My Debian sponsors don't want to upload MATE 1.15 to unstable and the re-upload MATE 1.16 again a few weeks later.
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> I have no upload rights in Debian.
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> Typically, I submit the packaging to Debian and sponsors upload it.
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> I think sync to Ubuntu.
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> As you say, I could upload directly to Ubuntu.
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> And this is the first time, that would suit me.
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> I would like to upload MATE 1.15 to the 16.10 archive, so it gets testing during beta2. I then upload MATE 1.16 when it is released.
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> I will likely have to upload all this directly to Ubuntu, but not sync from Debian again until the y series opens.
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> Your thoughts?
[09:09] <Laney> If they only fix bugs then I don't see why you wouldn't do it
[09:09] <Laney> in fact I don't see why you *didn't* do it earlier in the release cycle, but I don't know all the facts :-)
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> Well, I just prefer to work on MATE in Debian and then sync to Ubuntu.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> I met the Debian Developer leading the MATE packaging team a couple of years ago.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> And we agreed how we could work together on this, so both Debian and Ubuntu benefit from one effort.
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> So my main concern is breaking away from that tradition.
[09:15] <Laney> Yeah - you should work from the same VCS if possible (and use experimental, etc)
[09:15] <Laney> Sometimes the actual uploads can't happen simultaneously for one reason or another
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> I'd still be commiting all changes to Debian, just uploading directly to Ubuntu on my own schedule.
[09:16] <Laney> But if you do the work in that VCS then nobody has to repeat what you've already done
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> Correct.
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> I know that working upstream and sync from upstream is preferred. And I've been doing that.
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> I wanted to check that what I'm proposing it "OK".
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> Sounds like it should be.
[09:19] <Laney> Yes, and like I say I would even do this sooner in future
[09:19] <Laney> Decide what version you want in the release and if that's the in-development one then you can upload the point releases that lead up to that too
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> Well, I didn't think MATE 1.15 was actually ready until about 3 weeks ago.
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> ANd I've been very busy with work.
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> So this was my first opportunity.
[09:20] <Laney> Don't they have a time based schedule?
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> No, small team.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> We've been trying to meet the GNOME3 release cadence the last two releases.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> This is the first release we've picked a release date to work to.
[09:36] <Laney> 'k
[09:37] <Laney> Well, good luck with it
[09:37] <flexiondotorg> Mostly so Fedora 25 gets MATE 1.16, but the Ubuntu release schedules are closely aligned this cycle.
[09:37] <flexiondotorg> Thanks for the the input and listening Laney.
[10:13] <qengho> good morning.
[10:37] <willcooke> hey qengho
[10:43] <qengho> willcooke: I uploaded a snap yesterday, but it is not as good as I wanted until some snapd bugs are fixed.
[10:45] <willcooke> qengho, thanks.  What's the upshot of it not being as good as you would like?  Also - can you prepare an email to Warthogs letting people know that a demo version is available?
[10:46] <qengho> willcooke: I'll want to move the profile dir. It's too big to copy around, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1611063
[10:46] <willcooke> ah, is this the upgrade issue?
[10:46] <willcooke> when you get a new version it b0rks?
[10:47] <qengho> willcooke: Yes, this would avoid that.
[10:47] <willcooke> got it
[10:47] <willcooke> thanks
[10:47] <willcooke> IMO inperfect POC is inperfect
[10:56] <xnox> Laney, pitti: do you measure systemd-graphical-session user feedback based on people complaining about xeyes starring at them? =)
[10:56]  * xnox systemctl --user mask xeyes.service
[10:58] <pitti> xnox: ah, you have the PPA enabled :)
[10:58] <pitti> xnox: xeyes was my first PoC unit, and later we kept it to immediately see if the session was started by systemd or upstart
[10:59] <pitti> (the REAL reason is of course that everybody loves xeyes!)
[10:59] <xnox> waaaaha i got new wallpaper =) so shiny, so bright =)
[10:59] <xnox> pitti, do you know the magic to get unity8 session? it's promised to be pre-installed, but i don't see that yet.
[11:00] <pitti> xnox: apt install unity8-desktop-session
[11:02] <xnox> tah
[11:03] <xnox> Laney, there was something odd with gnome-terminal. I had it pinned to launcher, but clicking it would generate a new icon. I opened terminal, pinned the "opened icon", removed "old" icon from pinning and now it works.
[11:03] <xnox> was desktop file renamed or some such?
[11:05] <xnox> ok unity8 session is not usable for me
[11:05] <Laney> don't think so
[11:06] <xnox> unity8 graphical session (a) doesn't detect highdpi (b) has no system settings to set dpi with mouse pointer
[11:06] <xnox> bregma, ^
[11:06]  * xnox is sad
[11:07] <xnox> pitti, is there a user journal?
[11:07] <xnox> journalctl --user -> No journal files were found
[11:07] <pitti> xnox: there is if you use persistent journal, otherwise it's just one
[11:08] <pitti> xnox: i. e. journalctl also shows user units
[11:09] <xnox> ack, will enable on this laptop.
[11:09] <Laney> there's a --user-unit= flag
[11:18] <pitti> xnox: you don't need to enable persistent journal to see user units
[11:19] <pitti> they are in the normal (ephemeral) system-level journal
[11:56] <seb128> happyaron, hey, did you c_yphermox ping about the n-m SRU which has a bug verification-failed?
[12:01] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, I've just noticed that in my xenial install if I now open the online accounts to add gmail.. Once the inner page has loaded, if I try to scroll the content, it becomes all white...
[12:06] <seb128> I saw that on my yakkety iso testing
[12:06] <seb128> guess that's one for mardy or chrisccoulson
[12:06] <seb128> the webview is having an issue
[12:07] <Trevinho> yeah, I've the overlay ppa installed here too... So maybe the problem is there
[12:07] <seb128> ah
[12:07] <seb128> yeah, likely then
[12:54] <desrt> good morning!
[13:17] <willcooke> hey desrt
[13:17] <willcooke> Happy Friday!
[13:17] <desrt> hi willcooke :)
[13:17] <desrt> happy friday to you too
[13:17] <desrt> any weekend plans?
[13:18] <willcooke> I'm playing golf tomorrow morning and then doing something with the kids on Sunday.  Depends what the weather is like.  Maybe tidy up the garden or something
[13:18] <willcooke> #old
[13:19] <willcooke> what about you?
[13:19] <willcooke> POKEMON!!
[13:19] <desrt> i didn't take you for the golfer type :)
[13:19] <desrt> lol.  no.
[13:19] <desrt> but certainly not ingress, either :)
[13:19] <desrt> i'll reinstall it in a couple of days once i am absolutely sure my streak is broken
[13:20] <desrt> we're going to hamilton this weekend for supercrawl
[13:20] <desrt> all of the various independent galleries on james street north open their doors for free showings until the wee hours of the morning... and the street is filled with food trucks, free concerts, etc...
[13:21] <willcooke> I love golf.  I'm not really in to competitive sports, so golf has a nice mix of "a walk in the countryside" and something which pokes at my hunter/gather brain, like planning a route to a target and then either making or messing it up totally
[13:21] <desrt> ya!  i've always very much enjoyed the calming aspects of golf...
[13:22] <desrt> golf is actually extremely awesome to watch on TV as a backdrop to something else.... like if you have a bunch of people sitting in a room otherwise interacting in some human way... golf in the background is awesome
[13:22] <willcooke> James St sounds excellent
[13:22] <willcooke> @ background - yes!  I know what you mean
[13:22] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "background" is not a valid command.
[13:22] <desrt> lots of nice green aerial shots, this guy with a calming voice speaking slowly, ...
[13:23]  * willcooke makes plans for team dinner involving an indoor driving range ;)
[13:23] <desrt> i'm game.  i actually enjoy golf as well, although i never get a chance to use anything other than a driver or a 9 iron
[13:23] <desrt> (driver -- driving range... 9 iron... my parent's cottage has a 9-hole "course".... which is played entirely with a 9-iron)
[13:24] <desrt> really, the "course" is just an area of field where we made some holes in the ground and planted flags :)
[13:24] <willcooke> and nice grass
[13:25] <willcooke> oops, sorry misead that
[13:25] <willcooke> that's awesome
[13:25] <willcooke> I wanted to put a sand pit in the garden for the kids
[13:25] <willcooke> which just happened to be bunker sized
[13:25] <desrt> lol.
[13:25] <willcooke> was denied
[13:26] <desrt> there is a very large natural sand pit in the middle of said field which ends up being smack in the middle of the 2nd and 7th holes.... that thing is deadly
[13:26] <willcooke> :))
[14:09] <seb128> Laney, do you see bug #1621723 on your hidpi config?
[14:10] <Laney> you mean like a directory on the desktop?
[14:10] <seb128> would need to check with duflu
[14:10] <seb128> but his description sounds like icons on the desktop, so directory or file
[14:10] <seb128> I would assume at least
[14:13] <Laney> ok, well then it looks fine here: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/desktop.png
[14:13] <seb128> k, thanks
[14:14] <seb128> I wonder if that's another of those session-job timing issues :-/
[14:14] <Laney> I do have unity in upstart
[14:14] <Laney> erm
[14:14] <Laney> systemd
[14:14] <seb128> I asked on the bug if that goes away if he restarts nautilus
[14:14] <seb128> Laney, thanks for testing
[14:15] <Laney> annoying that the unity thing keeps going around and takes some days each time
[14:32] <seb128> going for some exercice, bbl
[14:38] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: in nautilus on yakkety if you click on +other locations does it do anything?  I'm assuming that is how I would add things like an ssh session
[14:39] <seb128> davmor2, known issue, j_bicha uploaded a gtk fixed version earlier today
[14:39] <davmor2> seb128: ah cool thanks
[14:39] <seb128> bug #1621215
[14:40] <davmor2> seb128: nice one thanks
[14:59] <ximion> Laney: I'm back from Akademy
[14:59] <ximion> going throught bugs, feature requests and PRs soon
[14:59] <ximion> and going to ping the Debian LDC guy again ^^
[15:00] <Laney> hi ximion
[15:00] <Laney> just in time for me to go away for a week :-)
[15:00] <ximion> :D
[15:00] <ximion> work or vacation?
[15:02] <Laney> going on summer holiday
[15:03] <willcooke> in a London bus
[15:03] <Laney> trying to get staging deploy of asgen up before I go
[15:03] <Laney> not sure if I will manage
[15:03] <Laney> willcooke: good for you!
[15:03] <willcooke> no I mean, you should go on summer holiday in one
[15:04] <willcooke> assuming you aren't already
[15:04] <ximion> Laney: that would be awesome!
[15:05] <ximion> I will do an AppStream 0.10.1 release next week (Monday, maybe)
[15:05] <ximion> also, as soon as meson is updated in Debian, I can get rid of the dub hacks in the asgen .deb package and use a proper build system
[15:06] <ximion> I wonder whether I should rename the appstream-generator binary to asgen at some point in time :P
[15:06] <Laney> unless you hit the compiler bugs that I did
[15:06]  * ximion hates typing
[15:07] <ximion> Laney: I never hit any compiler bug with gdc - could be due to Ubuntu doing something weird, or you just ran into a variation that underlinking issue in gdc-6, that was fixed in Debian a few weeks ago
[15:08] <Laney> optimism, I like it
[15:13] <ximion> Laney: the beta-compiler-in-disguise that is LDC in Debian and Ubuntu right now is really terrible... I hope upstream releases a stable version in time so Debian 8 will have a non-broken version
[15:13] <Laney> https://paste.debian.net/816079/ <- unstable chroot with gdc
[15:14] <jbicha> Trevinho: yes Unity online accounts being broken in yakkety is known, see bug 1613670
[15:17] <ximion> Laney: no problem here, gdc (Debian 6.1.1-11) 6.1.1 20160802
[15:18] <Laney> well don't upgrade then
[15:18] <Laney> good luck in getting that version in a package build
[15:19] <Laney> :(
[15:19] <ximion> oh, Ubuntu has a nwer version
[15:20] <Laney> no
[15:20] <Laney> I did that test build on sid
[15:21] <Laney> just that 6.2 hasn't migrated yet
[15:22] <ximion> Laney: looks like a case for DustMite https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki and a bug report
[15:23] <ximion> I can do that later maybe, when I upgraded my compiler and can actually reproduce this bug
[15:23] <Laney> I already filed it on Launchpad, doko is going to handle fwding it
[15:23] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-6/+bug/1620681
[15:24] <Laney> would have been nice to know about dustmite when minimising the example :P
[15:24]  * Laney was a human dustmite
[15:24] <ximion> Laney: oh no! - but thanks for filing the bug!
[15:25] <ximion> Dustmite is awesome! Just run it and it will give you an exact testcase for the bug
[15:25] <ximion> (it never failed me so far)
[15:25] <Laney> well maybe it can find a better one
[15:25] <Laney> having to import all of std.path sucks
[15:25] <Laney> so feel free to try
[15:27] <ximion> I think I will package dustmite when I have some spare time - it'd be a trivial, close-to-zero-maintenance package
[15:37] <ximion> Laney: you're a good human dustmite
[15:37] <ximion> dustmite itself didn't produce any better result
[15:38] <Laney> invoice is in the post
[15:46] <Laney> wee
[15:46] <Laney> it's running now
[15:48]  * Laney watches the free disk space with suspicion
[16:35] <flexiondotorg> Laney, following our earlier discussion.
[16:36] <flexiondotorg> MATE 1.15 has been uploaded to yakkety. All changes in a branch in Debian git, as agreed with my sponsors there :-)
[16:41] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Nice, good luck with that
[17:25] <Laney> meh
[17:25] <Laney> didn't get staging.appstream.u.c to work
[17:25] <Laney> backend is running though, will see how that is going in a week
[17:25] <Laney> happy breakage, see you post hols!
[17:27] <seb128> Lawayney, enjoy your holidays!
[17:37] <mhall119> seb128: does the appstream: URL scheme not open gnome-software anymore?
[17:52] <jbicha> mhall119: xdg-open appstream:org.gnome.gedit.desktop works here
[17:54] <jbicha> hmm, it works in GNOME but I got an error trying it in Unity :(
[18:03] <jbicha> mhall119: could you file a bug for that? it looks like uninstall ubuntu-software (but leaving gnome-software installed) works here
[18:21] <mhall119> jbicha: what project should I file it against?
[18:21] <jbicha> I'm guessing it's actually a gvfs bug but I'd mark it against gnome-software too for now
[18:28] <mhall119> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1621961
[18:28]  * mhall119 still wants a snap: URL scheme that will search installed or in the store
[18:44] <ximion> mhall119: when Snappy supports AppStream, you can simply use the appstream:// URLs