[06:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[06:54] <crogers> Hi SebthreeBQM10HD
[06:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, hi
[06:58] <crogers> What's up?
[06:59] <crogers> And Happy Friday. :D
[06:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, not much
[07:00] <crogers> Anything interesting planned for the weekend?
[07:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no
[07:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you
[07:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[07:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, where you from?
[07:01] <crogers> Yea, going to go see the new branch of the Tate Modern Art Museum. My gf is finally back from Italy, so I can finally go see it.
[07:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[07:02] <crogers> From? Originally?
[07:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and where's that?
[07:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, sure and inuk I guess or whatever
[07:02] <crogers> Tate Modern is in Central London.
[07:02] <crogers> I'm from Colorado in teh States, though.
[07:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[07:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well
[07:03] <crogers> How about you?
[07:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, sorry your not alllowed here, you need some kind of uk redinencity heh he a pass port or something :D
[07:03] <crogers> I have a Residence Permit. :)
[07:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, actually also no American alloweed here :d
[07:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he h
[07:03] <crogers> I passed your Citizenship tests. ;)
[07:04] <crogers> I'm one of yoooouuuu now. ;)
[07:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it turns out your thing is fake
[07:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now the border force are afer you :d
[07:04] <crogers> Better not be. I hired a professional company to handle the paperwork for me. lol
[07:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the paper work for?
[07:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[07:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the
[07:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah
[07:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh
[07:05] <crogers> Yea, that's one thing the US has in common with the UK.
[07:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what getting rid of or trying to
[07:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the unwanted people
[07:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[07:07] <crogers> Black-hole style bureaucracies
[07:07] <crogers> The forms you have to fill out are so dense it has its own event horizon.
[07:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> heh yeah maybe
[07:08] <crogers> Yea,neither country is very outsider friendly when it comes to immigration. I understand why.
[07:09] <crogers> And I don't really agree with most of the reasons.
[07:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, well about half of the UK population and most of Scotland
[07:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, were ok enough with imigrants from EUrope
[07:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> including myself :)
[07:09] <crogers> ANd me too.
[07:09] <crogers> And most of London. :)
[07:09] <crogers> 72% I heard.
[07:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, but then we basically have half a population of uhmm idiots and racists or whatever you may want to call them, who voted leav
[07:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> e
[07:10] <crogers> They were promised lies too.
[07:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah some things weren't quite true
[07:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but a lot of those peple were people who don't normally vote in things like that as well etc
[07:10] <crogers> I think that's understating it.
[07:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and that don't follow polotics etc closly enough etc
[07:11] <crogers> People were lied to, and it's amasing they aren't as pissed off about it as they should be.
[07:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh and without the poles etc, uhmm and forgin workers in the NHS as well,  things would be more of a mess
[07:11] <crogers> Agreed.
[07:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, but I am actually half Swedish as well :d was born there, lived in Engalnd since 3, but that actualy means I can get a dual passport if I want it, which could become useful who knows
[07:12] <crogers> Yea, free trade and mocvement in the EU, we don't need hippy crap like that.
[07:12] <crogers> *movement
[07:13] <crogers> We can go right on being a reseller, without those trade agreements, and still compete in the market... wait, what?
[07:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, there might become a like uhmm 3rd quue now :d.  EU and Switzerland,  any other pass ports,  except for the hated Brexit which gets it's own quee with bad looks etc
[07:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> across Europe I mean
[07:14] <crogers> Yea.
[07:14] <crogers> I'm still hoping they do a London passport.
[07:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a London pass port ?
[07:14] <crogers> Yea, break London off the UK, sort of like Hong Kong is for China.
[07:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, yeah trade is one thing, but there are bound to be deals made with Europe anyway.  to be honest  it would be good to have a proper one aranged with say America and China, that would also result in being able to import from those counteries no problem, without having to pay any customs, like now with the rest of the EU
[07:15] <crogers> So you could have a London passport, and it would be an EU passport.
[07:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, if Scotland get the chance they may leave next time round
[07:16] <crogers> Yea, except that the US and China have already given us the finger. lol
[07:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, but currently a tory prime minster has to even agree to such a vote it seems, and she's unlikely to do tha
[07:16] <crogers> Pres Obama, was like... "Yea, we'll make a deal, but guess what, you're not a priority compared to the rest of Europe."
[07:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, he's also said stuff about America's and the UK'S apparant special realationship
[07:17] <crogers> Which is a pleasant way of saying "Sorry, we're not going to help you clean up this trade disaster you've voted yourselves into."
[07:17] <crogers> I mean, we'll see I guess.
[07:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's sily togo out of eu really
[07:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> wrold is more global now etc
[07:18] <crogers> But I want people who voted brexit to be furious about the lies that are now official lies.
[07:18] <crogers> So mad in fact that everyone calls for a re-vote.
[07:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, yeah, but that won't just happen
[07:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> some people aren't hapy about it now that voted that way though
[07:19] <crogers> Yes. That's the stupidity of it.
[07:20] <crogers> Then they should have no problem with a re-vote.
[07:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, EU IS UHMM
[07:20] <crogers> If they are sure that we'd vote out again, they should be fine with it.
[07:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, ok it's a kind of super state now, but there are a lot of advantages being in
[07:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, certain companies are moving to mainalnd europe now as well
[07:20] <crogers> Don't have to tell me, I know. :)
[07:21] <crogers> I try not to think about it too much. It just makes me angry.
[07:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, well you can move to Mexico if things get to bad with America or UK :d
[07:22] <crogers> Then it will happen to Mexico. lol
[07:22] <crogers> Can't hide.
[07:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what will?
[07:22] <crogers> Can't stop the insanity and fear.
[07:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Mexico is pretty much on it's own in the world anyway ?
[07:23] <crogers> Nothing. You can always control people's oppinion with fear.
[07:23] <crogers> And enough money to bankroll it.
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I guess
[07:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, on a subject change:
[07:25] <crogers> Yes please. :)
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, do you find it interesting when  you hear like
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> propriary games have come to Linux
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popular propriary games
[07:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, Rocket League being an example right now
[07:26] <crogers> Actually we have a new rule at the London Linux Meetup that I run: No politics.
[07:26] <crogers> Yep.
[07:26] <crogers> I support that. I consider games a bit like art, or streaming media.
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, well you could say they are kind of art etc
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but sadly most art etc
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> has become propritary/commerical
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> made to make money, not for fun etc
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> be taht music, movies, etc etc
[07:27] <crogers> Oh, it's been that way forever.
[07:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, but there's Creative Commons to :)
[07:28] <crogers> Yes, which is why I contribute to the cc0 stuff.
[07:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's cc0 ?
[07:28] <crogers> creative commons 0
[07:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, have you oragnaised any proper Linux events?
[07:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> public events
[07:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> be they small or bigger
[07:28] <crogers> means you don't have to credit me if you use it.
[07:28] <crogers> And you can use it for anything.
[07:28] <crogers> You can even sell it as part of a compilation, or piece of your own art if you want.
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> is it under one of the six liscnes on creativecommons.org ?
[07:29] <crogers> yes, it's cc0
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, but going back tomy question just now
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> have you oranised o
[07:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or ok been invovld with even but more so organising
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> any proper open source linux events
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[07:30] <crogers> https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/
[07:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> be they small or bigger
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, this is reminding me that I was going to see if I could get a proper CC UK rep or something as well, for a Linuxey type event well with CC as well that organsning
[07:31] <crogers> Mainly just my London Linux Meetup.
[07:31] <crogers> It's mainly just for getting together, having some drinks and talking Linux and FOSS
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah a LUG
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> basically I gusss
[07:31] <crogers> Or FLOSS if you like. :)
[07:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or similar
[07:32] <crogers> People bring their pi gadgets and other stuff to show off.
[07:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, events are fun and things like that :d
[07:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, it's a bit hmm in a way how Linux is so unknown by the public, even though it's like everywehre already :d
[07:32] <crogers> Yea, totally. Mine is very informal.
[07:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the exceptio nof the standard computer
[07:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> crogers, I thik most groups and events for Linux and open source are generally quite informal
[07:33] <crogers> Don't care how you use Linux, or level of experience. Maybe you are just interest in it, and want more information.
[07:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the excption of the proper business events
[07:34] <crogers> We just started it to talk tech with other like-minded people, and community build.
[07:35] <crogers> I learn a lot from folks there too.
[07:35] <crogers> Many different jobs/backgrounds/interests.
[07:36] <crogers> It's good to see a variety.
[07:36] <crogers> And it expands your Linux toolset to get recommendations.
[07:37] <Gargoyle> Morning all.
[07:37] <crogers> And hey, there's CIder and Beer. too. :D
[07:37] <crogers> mornin Gargoyle
[07:42] <crogers> Gargoyle, still getting along with Gnome?
[07:48] <popey> Morning
[08:03] <TwistedLucidity> Thank Crunchie it's Friiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiday!
[08:04] <TwistedLucidity> Camping! \o/ Woo!
[08:04] <foobarry> hi guys
[08:04] <TwistedLucidity> Pub! \o/ Woo!
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> Hiking with a hangover. /o\ Not so woo.
[08:05] <popey> \o/ beer train
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <foobarry> got a question about recording a presentation - i want to record a set of slides with voiceover, perahps 30 mins talk. my face is not required,
[08:07] <foobarry> currently the slides are in google slides app. could i use google hangouts to do this and generate a video?
[08:07] <crogers> Yes.
[08:07] <foobarry> i want decent resolution on the results
[08:07] <crogers> Use Recordmydesktop
[08:07] <crogers> or Kazam
[08:07] <crogers> In both, you can choose the resolution, and the audio settings.
[08:09] <crogers> Recommend Openshot for simple video editing, Kden Live, if you can get it to output the format you want, and Blender 3D's VSE if you have time to learn a solid video production tool.
[08:09] <crogers> Blender has the highest Learning curve though.
[08:10] <crogers> But it's also my editor of choice for sheer power and the fact that you can do pretty much anything in it.
[08:10] <foobarry> i don't wanna edit the video hopefully.
[08:13] <foobarry> kazam would create a massive file over 30 mins.
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> Couldn't the Kazam file be run through Handbrake (or transcoder of choice) to spit out a smaller, more portable file?
[08:15] <foobarry> yes eventually
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> I thought the general rule was to grab in as high quality as possible then mix down.
[08:17] <popey> i use simplescreenrecorder these days
[08:17] <foobarry> for longer ones too popey?
[08:17] <popey> yes
[08:17] <popey> it doesn't create huge files
[08:17] <foobarry> cool thx
[08:18] <popey> UI is a bit wonky, with multiple screens. they could do with a ux person to look at it
[08:19] <foobarry> ah, its this guy
[08:19] <crogers> Both Kazam and recordmydesktop let you record just a section of the screen.
[08:19] <foobarry> yeah he added twitch type options too didn't he
[08:20] <foobarry> for gaming
[08:20] <crogers> So you can crop off all the google stuff too, and just record the important part.
[08:20] <crogers> Which will give you a smaller file and still maintain a crisp resolution.
[08:22] <foobarry> google slides do full screen. the presenter window with notes is sucky thuogh. i prefer impress but i was making the talk on 3 different computers during the space of a day
[08:22] <foobarry> so google won
[08:23] <popey> foobarry: no, you're thinking of the java one
[08:23] <popey> i got simplescreenrecorder from maarten-baert ppa
[08:24] <popey> i used it to make my snappy videos - 1080p, 10MB/min
[08:24] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Xmd6O8xX8 that kind of output
[08:24] <foobarry> such a decent app really needs better UI
[08:25] <foobarry> that is good quality
[08:25] <foobarry> do you think its better to see the face in the corner?
[08:25] <foobarry> for non-community stuff too?
[08:25] <crogers> It's also worth noting that Kazam preferences can be changed from AVI (RAW) as the default to H264 (MP4) for high quality with compression.
[08:25] <popey> i only used it becuase there's periods of not much going on
[08:25] <foobarry> i want the one that doesn't crash and lose my work
[08:25] <popey> sss is the one you want :)
[08:26] <foobarry> popey wins
[08:26] <popey> I haven't had it crash in last few months of using it
[08:26] <foobarry> nice quality vid
[08:26] <foobarry> no crash
[08:26] <foobarry> cheers
[08:26] <popey> np
[08:26] <crogers> You can also use ffmpeg to rencode to a lower file size.
[08:28] <foobarry> i also use asciinema for internal recording of terminal stuff. no audio though
[08:28] <foobarry> but it allows copy paste and other awesomeness.
[08:29] <foobarry> editing of the source to change the words in the "video"
[08:32] <popey> asciinema is great
[08:32] <popey> i also like asciidraw
[08:36] <popey> foobarry: the only thing I'm not impressed with most of these screencast tools is they encode the colourspace incorrectly, if you look at my video, you'll notice the colours aren't quite right
[08:37] <popey> there is a yuv encoder you can use if you *really* care about that
[08:47] <foobarry> maybe for gaming its an issue, not for my presentation, but thanks for the heads up
[08:48] <foobarry> does sss let you paint on the screen?
[08:53] <popey> it's not a feature
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <BigRedS> Goood Morning brobostigon
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[09:24] <crogers> mornin brobostigon
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning crogers
[09:27] <SuperMatt> I don't know if you just insulted me or not
[09:28] <crogers> SuperMatt, ?
[09:42] <popey> \o/ Rocket League on Linux. I know what Sam will be doing all weekend :)
[09:50] <davmor2> popey: playing no mans sky right?
[09:50] <TwistedLucidity> Isn't Rocket League only in technical beta for SteamOS?
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> I need a new PC for gaming.
[09:57] <popey> TwistedLucidity: came out today
[09:57] <popey> well, yesterday I guess
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Site says beta, but if it can be downloaded; why not?
[09:58] <popey> works for me :)
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> I have too many unplayed games, and a new Humble Indie Bunble to play through...
[09:58] <popey> ditto
[09:58] <popey> i buy for my son tho
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Fair enough. Not that I'm jealous
[09:58]  * TwistedLucidity mutters a nawty word under breath
[09:58] <popey> he tends to play via the steamlink in the lounge with his mates
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> Steamlink now works on GNU/Linux?
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> I thought there were issues with controller input and stuff. My info could be years old though.
[10:00] <popey> eh?
[10:00] <popey> steamlink is a device
[10:00] <popey> sits under the telly and streams from other machines running steam
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> So that's not the streaming thing?
[10:01] <popey> yes, it's a streaming device
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, that thing. Thoguht it didn't work with a GNU/Linux main box.
[10:01] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/app/353380/ that thing
[10:01] <popey> it does, always had
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> WTF am I thinking of then? There was deffo something that was Windows-only.
[10:01]  * popey shrugs
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> So....I could play KSP on the big telly? Oh my.
[10:03] <popey> ya
[10:03] <popey> we play a lot of multi-player games, where the kids beat me
[10:03] <popey> TowerFall Ascension, GangBeasts, Ultimate Chicken Horse.
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> Ah yes, it's not *fully* supported. That's probably what I was remembering.
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> And back in 2015 it wasn't supported at all.
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> Good news is, progress has been made!
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> "In order to support streaming game controllers on a Linux host computer, /dev/uinput or /dev/input/uinput needs to be readable and writable by Steam."
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> "Some games use raw input instead of XInput or DirectInput and are not yet supported."
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> Still...I know what I want for my birthday. :-D
[10:09] <popey> I wonder if I should put my steam account in my will
[10:10] <foobarry> or at least the password in an envelope
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That's actually an interesting question, what happens with all one's accounts etc when one pegs it?
[10:12] <popey> It's something i worry about now and then
[10:12] <popey> Last time I asked this publicly, some people's responses were "I don't care, I'll be dead"
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> I guess it depends on what value (if any) is attached to those accounts.
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> And what the license terms are
[10:16]  * brobostigon has in his will, that when i kick th bucket, all my star trek collectables go to my fiance.
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> nothing says love that a few 1000 obsessively collected models of the enterprise... :-P
[10:23]  * zmoylan-pi nudges the box of my trek collection out of view with foot...
[10:24] <brobostigon> :D
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: That's a physcial thing though, you own them. Digital? All you have is a license.
[10:25] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: yes exactly,
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> i liked crt monitors as it allowed you to fit a lot of star trek micro machines on top of them... :-) https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F5137MlMJWmL.jpg&f=1
[10:30] <brobostigon> what does the law say about it? can a licence be transferred between people lik that?
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> i think there have been 1-2 cases were someone left digital licences of their collection to someone in their will... but it's new territory and will take decades to have a single definitive answer
[10:32] <brobostigon> ah i see.
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> and you can bet that studios want the licence to die with the person as a profit generating scheme
[10:36] <TwistedLucidity> Which is yet another reason to avoid DRM
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> which most people won't realise till they find out after someone dies and their collection died with them
[10:38] <popey> meh, I'll just get the email address changed on my steam account :)
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> popey@heaven.org
[10:41] <popey> popey@wormsfood.org
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> moylan@pushingupdaisies.ie
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[10:43] <popey> i should make a list...
[10:44] <popey> domain renewals (to keep their email working), photos access... ugh
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> a kicked the bucket list...
[10:44] <popey> when my dad died, his wife kept his facebook account active rather than 'memorialising' it, so every so often my dad pops up on facebook "he liked this"
[10:44] <popey> which is annoying
[11:02] <davmor2> popey: hahahahaha
[11:03] <davmor2> popey: Maybe he does it to tell you there is an afterlife :)
[11:09] <foobarry> why would a java process use only 362mb resident and 36G virtual mem?
[11:09] <popey> if facebook is the afterlife, no thanks
[11:09] <popey> ahh java
[11:09] <popey> it's probably not *using* the virtual mem
[11:09] <popey> just allocated it so when it wants, it can swap in/out as needed
[11:09] <popey> look at vmstat, and see if it's actually doing si or so
[11:10] <foobarry> but 36gb is unusally large
[11:10] <foobarry> i know "yeah java"
[11:10] <popey> hehe, nah it isnt :)
[11:10] <popey> I used to work where we had systems with gigantic hundred GB swap partitions
[11:10] <popey> for a java app
[11:11] <diddledan> java does memory allocation itself, so it reserves a large chunk for potential future use IIRC
[11:11] <foobarry> greedy java
[11:11] <foobarry> i never want it to use that much
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> memory digger
[11:11] <diddledan> I don't get how it doesn't reduce the available memory from the host when it reserves that large chunk tho
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> hey, lets make a mobile os and use the same tech! :-)
[11:12] <popey> we used to have lengthy arguments with the systems guys who would refuse to allow us to allocate enough swap
[11:12] <foobarry> popey: whats the asciidraw app you mentioned?
[11:13] <popey> its a website
[11:13] <foobarry> asciiflow?
[11:13] <popey> sorry, yes
[11:13] <popey> http://asciiflow.com/
[11:13] <foobarry> ah, cool , yeah knew that one
[11:14]  * popey considers lunch
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> it's good to see some people think ahead for unexpected eventualities... :-P http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2016-09-09/emergency-potty-brought-out-for-people-stuck-in-i360/
[11:17] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: looks like there was no privacy
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> it's britain, everyone would have politely turned their backs and hummed loudly to drown out embarrassing sounds... ;-)
[11:18] <foobarry> still enjoying playing skyrim since buying the xbox360. shame i only get windows of around 1hr to play
[11:18] <foobarry> most of that time i'm juggling stuff in my pockets
[11:19] <foobarry> because they are always full
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, when i was playing diablo ii at work during lunchtimes i drove people nuts with 'i am overburdened'
[11:20] <foobarry> i am sworn to carry your burdens
[11:28] <popey> \o/ lunchtime quesadilla
[13:19] <Gargoyle> Anyone got any recommendations for screen-sharing software that allows remote control (like ScreenHero).
[13:27] <popey> Gargoyle: teamviewer?
[14:23] <brobostigon> anyone familir with a java opensimulator client?
[14:31] <diddledan> opensimulator. wassat?
[14:32] <brobostigon> its an OSS version of second lifes servr software.
[14:35] <diddledan> aah
[14:35] <diddledan> is second life still a thing then? :-p
[14:37] <brobostigon> yes, vaguely.
[18:55] <knightwise> brobostigon: wonder if there are still more people using secondlife then irc
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> is there a way to get a definitive number of irc users?
[18:58] <brobostigon> knightwise: good question.
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> i can access irc via my dumb phone so it would be accessible to billions who don't have access to computer required to access second life
[19:00] <knightwise> I wonder if secondlife will be around long enough to witness the revolution of VR
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> it would have a slight head start with the amount of users and existing 3d creations
[19:01] <knightwise> True. but it would look awefully "blocky" and "pixely" ..
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> i'd suspect someone has already made a vr unit for second life.... ::goes to check::
[19:01] <knightwise> wait .. Thats kinda like minecraft so i think we will be fine
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> been blocky and pixely has really held back minecraft :-P
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> dynf :-D
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> you can use occulus rift on second life seemingly
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> and also google cardboard
[19:04]  * zmoylan-pi remembers games like driller and tau ceti on the zx spectrum which were fairly complicated 3d worlds on an 8 bit processor
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> in the 80s...
[19:07] <zmoylan-pi> the real problem with vr is that a % of people are 'allergic' to it and it makes them feel sick
[19:09] <JAWC> I have wondered if AR would allow me to read without getting travel sick.
[19:11] <zmoylan-pi> i found using a small screen was more comfy reading while in a moving vehicle.  a 2-3" screen versus 4-5" was more comfy. probaly allowed my brain to see more of the horizon moving than bigger screen blocking it out.
[19:12] <zmoylan-pi> in same way they sea sickness is lessened if you go to part of ship were you can see horizon which tells your brain what's happening versus your inner ear which is sending bad info