[02:04] <atomictoyguy> Hi there, I am new to this channel and I am hoping that I can get some guidance on how to troubleshoot a strange audio issue I am experiencing with an Avantree Leaf USB audio adapter.
 @atomictoyguy, you are likely to get more help in #ubuntu since Kubuntu doesn't handle most of the audio stack
[03:29] <Roey> hey there anyone here using a SteamOS controller?
 I from time to timr
[05:48] <guiverc> question:  KDE Akademy; first of BoF meetings ... what does Valorie mean by BoF please?
[05:54] <guiverc> birds of a feather... explanation later...  withdraw question...
[06:49] <BluestJay> Hello?
[06:50] <BluestJay> Hiya!
[09:31] <hor1ace> Hello guys !
[09:31] <hor1ace> I recently tried to use kmail for my mail client but i'm not satisfied at all by the software
[09:32] <hor1ace> So i'd like to at least stop using it
[09:32] <hor1ace> However even by note starting it, I still have notification of new email coming
[09:33] <hor1ace> How can i completely deactivate kmail and akonadi service on kde ?
[09:50] <acheronuk> hor1ace: steps 1-3 here perhaps? https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kdepim/kmail/clean-start-after-a-failed-migration.html
[10:20] <hor1ace> denza242: After what i read on internet, it seems to be a bad idea, because there are many dependencies
[10:20] <hor1ace> denza242: i just want to completly deactivate it
[10:22] <hor1ace> I think i manage to make it not start again by changing an option in .config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[10:40] <denza242> that works
[12:31] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:58] <volkfm> Hello, I would like to know why I can't install the latest KDE plasma (the latest I have now is 5.6.5, but the 5.7.4 is already released)
[13:01] <BluesKaj> volkfm, look for a ppa for your OS version on launchpad
[13:02] <volkfm> I'm running latest kubuntu and found only kubuntu backports
[13:04] <BluesKaj> volkfm, 16.04 or 16.10 ? the default kde/plasma version is 5.6.5 in the repos for 16.04
[13:05] <BluesKaj> and remember newer isn't always better when it come s to dev releases
[13:06] <volkfm> oh, I guess I missed the release of 16.10
[13:06] <acheronuk> kubuntu 16.10 has not been released
[13:07] <BluesKaj> it's not offically released , but it is available ...it's the same situation as your plasma request ..unofficial
[13:08] <acheronuk> volkfm: plasma 5.7.x in backports ppa for Xenial 16.04 will be available when it's been done and properly QA'd
[13:08] <volkfm> but plasma 5.7 was released officially
[13:09] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: this time around, newer isn't even better with the LTS release...
[13:09] <BluesKaj> probly released for arch or some other OS
[13:11] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, having issues with Xenial ?
[13:11] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: constantly lol
[13:11] <acheronuk> volkfm: kde can release what versions they like. they don't have to package it and build it in a way that doesn't break other non-kubuntu packages in the ubuntu archive
[13:11] <SporkWitch> some insurmountable, but yeah, it's been endless headache, after nearly a decade of solid progress and smooth sailing; quite annoying
[13:12] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, give us some example issues
[13:12] <volkfm> oh, didn't think about it. thanks, acheronuk
[13:13] <acheronuk> volkfm: it requires a backport of QT that is not available in 16.04, and that can't just be flung in a ppa without proper QA, as it breaks ubuntu packages if not done properly
[13:13] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: nothing specific at the moment; it's just been one thing after another, on multiple machines, with 16.04; i've hashed out most of them in here in the past.  The insurmountable ones are the deliberate regressions, such as crippling locale/region settings and virtual desktops.
[13:13] <SporkWitch> they do seem to have FINALLY fixed the wizard for installing GPU drivers, though, so it's probably finally ready for normal users again
[13:14] <acheronuk> volkfm: no one likes the delay, but it is what it is
[13:15] <BluesKaj> I find VMs a pita anyway so avoid them, but I'm a home user so it's not much of an issue really
[13:22] <SporkWitch> well here's a current one: hotkeys to switch directly to an activity STILL don't work
[13:23] <BluesKaj> gpu drivers seem to be more of an issue with amd than nvidia ...then there's the hybrid laptops which is a nightmare on linux
[13:24] <acheronuk> I'm seriously wondering if plasma 5.7 backport is worth it, and just waiting and having 5.8 when it comes out would not be better
[13:29] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: the issue wasn't the drivers, it was the tool with the multiple-choice dialog box to select which one to use based on your hardware.  That's been broken until a couple weeks ago at best.  It does finally work though.
[13:30] <SporkWitch> acheronuk: backports to 16.04 is on 5.6.5 right now and helps with some of the stability issues.  One big one is there's a flaw in kdeconnect and klippy with clipboards that causes what looks like a race condition that keeps crashing it.  Disabling some of the settings in both regarding the clipboard seems to resolve that.  Need to incrementally add stuff back with KDE Connect to see if there's
[13:31] <SporkWitch> anything i can still use without plasmashell shitting the bed every 5 minutes
[13:35] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, well my experience with users looking for support was finding the correct driver that worked on their systems and sometimes the recommended amd driver wasn't it
[13:35] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: that's a more significant and separate issue, and has to do with the removal of fglrx support
[13:36] <BluesKaj> it's noit a separate issue to ppl like me who are trying to help others :-)
[13:36] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: the driver issue i'm talking about affected everyone, regardless of hardware, because it was the GUI tool that handled finding the hardware, supported drivers, and installing them without breaking things for you.  It'd loop indefinitely at "scanning hardware."  This has finally been fixed in the last couple weeks
[13:37] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: it is a separate issue; the causes and symptoms are completely different.  The only thing they have in common is that they both relate to graphics drivers.
[13:37] <SporkWitch> The resolutions are completely different as well.
[13:38]  * BluesKaj shrugs , makes no difference to the poor user who doesn't know how to fix it
[13:41] <SporkWitch> on that we can agree, nonetheless, they _are_ separate issues.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> heh, categorize if you must ....
[13:52] <SporkWitch> yes, you must; you aren't going to fix the lack of fglrx drivers by fixing the loop bug in the driver wizard.  And I can prove it, because they DID finally fix the loop bug, and there's still no fglrx support.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> most just need the amdgpu driver
[14:43] <SporkWitch> Which should be easier to get now that the wizard is finally fixed, at least
[15:48] <apb1963> I've lost my icons... my entire desktop really.
[15:51] <apb1963> kubuntu-desktop:
[15:51] <apb1963>   Installed: 1.308.1.2
[17:04] <libi> Hi everyone here
[17:11] <acheronuk> libi: hi
[17:31] <apb1963> I've lost my icons... my entire desktop really.
[17:31] <apb1963> kubuntu-desktop:
[17:31] <apb1963>   Installed: 1.308.1.2
[17:35] <acheronuk> apb1963: hard to say what has happened from that description
[17:46] <Zren> apb1963, did you lose the wallpaper too? As in, is now solid black?
[17:47] <Zren> Did you lose the panel as well?
[17:49] <Ashareth> if only KDE could go back to what 3.5 was :/
[17:49] <Ashareth> now with every major version (and sometimes minor) we lose functionnalities and the last version before a major one
[17:50] <Ashareth> has less functionnalities than the previous ones, it's shameful :(
[17:58] <allesszz> Ashareth: less is more? ;-)
[18:59] <nix_> hello, fresh install of kubuntu, where do I find to use nvidia drivers?
[19:00] <nix_> anyone home?
[19:00] <acheronuk> nix_: do you know what nvidia linux driver version is right for your card
[19:01] <nix_> no
[19:01] <nix_> When I play games I think it's using the built in vid card and not the gaming card.. on this laptop
[19:01] <nix_> it flickers
[19:02] <acheronuk> then use the driver manager. type that in to search for it in the menu
[19:02] <nix_> when i open driver manager it has no options
[19:03] <nix_> just says collecting info
 Flickers happens to me after gaming
[19:04] <nix_> i guess it is just going to collect info for infinity lol
[19:05] <acheronuk> you may need to run 'sudo apt-get install apt-xapian-index' then 'sudo update-apt-xapian-index' before you run the driver manager
[19:05] <nix_> hmm
 Thats right
 acheronuk can that get pushed to YY?
[19:06] <nix_> sudo apt-get install apt-xapian-index does nothing
[19:07] <acheronuk> if it still fails you can run 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' to get a text equivalent
[19:08] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: can what be pushed?
[19:08] <nix_> acheronuk: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/35c3fb2a5d22447a3aa54ff57b9196a3
[19:10] <acheronuk> nix_: so it says that nvidia-361 package is the recommended driver. you can install that via whatever method you prefer
[19:10] <nix_> so i'll just google for nvidia-361 and that shall work
[19:11] <nix_> found it but it says windows 10 :(
[19:11] <nix_> will keep searching
[19:12] <acheronuk> nvidia-361 is the package from the ubuntu archive that you install
[19:12] <acheronuk> no need for Google etc
[19:12] <nix_> thanks acheronuk you rock
[19:12] <BluesKaj> nix_, sudo apt  install nvidia-361 inthe terminal
[19:13] <nix_> so in windows, the video card used is managed, like if I'm playing a game it uses the good card but if not it uses the shitty intel.. same for kubuntu?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> oh, a nightmare hybrid gpu system , optimus ,the you should be using nvidia-prime
[19:15] <BluesKaj> on kubuntu
[19:16] <nix_> ok installing now it says disable secure boot, if I disable will I be able to boot back in?
[19:17] <nix_> ok brb
[19:29] <IrcsomeBot1> Robert Welti was added by: Robert Welti
[19:32] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert Welti> Hi! I have a Kubuntu 14.04 installed without backports. To what versions will it update if I would add the backports repo?
[19:57] <apb1963> Zren: I have wallpaper, no panel.
[19:57] <Zren> apb1963, plasmashell crashed then
[19:57] <Zren> Alt+f2 to open krunner
[19:57] <Zren> then run: plasmashell
[19:59] <apb1963> Zren: oh umm... I had logged in as another user... now I've relogged back into my usual account and the panel is there... but I'm still short all my desktop icons.
[19:59] <Zren> apb1963, black wallpaper?
[20:00] <apb1963> Zren: no... the pretty colored stuff
[20:00] <apb1963> Zren: Elarun
[20:01] <Zren> right click the desktop > Desktop Settings shows it as folder view still right?
[20:01] <apb1963> Zren: oh and my VD's are gone too
[20:01] <apb1963> checking
[20:02] <apb1963> no... Default Desktop... so I changed it to folder view.... no discernible changes.
[20:03] <Zren> ~/Desktop does have stuff in it right?
[20:03] <apb1963> plenty of stuff
[20:04] <apb1963> Zren: several files ending in .desktop - several different colors.  Green, gray, blue, red.
[20:04] <apb1963> actually... all of them except one ends in .desktop
[20:05] <Zren> Ctrl+Esc then search for plasmashell, is there 1 or 2 instances running?
[20:06] <apb1963> apb2     27781 27420  0 12:58 ?        00:00:03 /usr/bin/plasma-desktop
[20:06] <apb1963> That... is my alternate users
[20:06] <apb1963> user
[20:06] <Zren> ah right, just one plasmashell running on this user right?
[20:06] <apb1963> My "real" account is apb.  Not apb2
[20:06] <apb1963> I'm logged in as apb
[20:07] <apb1963> Yes that is the only process running plasmashell
[20:07] <apb1963> for the user I'm not.
[20:08] <apb1963> actually... that's not plasmashell... that's plasma-desktop... is it the same thing?
[20:09] <apb1963> Zren: ^^^^
[20:09] <Zren> apb1963, what version of kde are you using?
[20:11] <apb1963> 4.13.3
[20:13] <apb1963> Zren: whoops!  It's possible I was actually logged in as apb2.  I just logged out and noticed the box was selected for apb2.... so I fixed that.
[20:14] <apb1963> Zren: And now I'm back to the original problem.  No panel.
[20:15] <apb1963> Zren: apb      28947 28582  0 13:13 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/plasma-desktop
[20:15] <Zren> oh, yeah, I've no clue about kde 4x, only started linux 6months ago.
[20:16] <apb1963> Zren: Ah.  Well... the funny thing is I'm already upgraded on another disk...but the guy helping me in #ubuntu insisted we fix this first before dealing with grub issues.  I have 3 disks and grub is on all 3 MBRs
[20:16] <Zren> best guess would be to log theout of the session and log back in.
[20:16] <apb1963> Zren: Yes... but that's exactly what I just did.
[20:16] <Zren> oh you were logged out
[20:16] <apb1963> I relogged
[20:16] <apb1963> Out of apb2 into apb
[20:17] <apb1963> And apb continues to have the problem I first came in with.
[20:17] <apb1963> whereas apb2 does not have that problem.  It has a panel.
[20:34] <fakam> hello, when I play games, it flickers, any suggestions?
[20:36] <apb1963> Zren: Hey... turns out you were right about changing the desktop settings to folder view... I just screwed up when I tried doing it.. once I discovered I hadn't really made the change, I remade the change and the desktop icons came back.  Then I added a default panel and things are better.  All I have to do is recreate my VD's and I should be good.
[20:36] <apb1963> Zren: thanks so much for your help!
[20:41] <SporkWitch> apb1963: friends don't let friends fill their desktops with icons
[20:43] <apb1963> SporkWitch: haha
[21:16] <fakam> how can I install nvidia drivers, like in Ubuntu. where you goto software and just add the driver?
[21:20] <fakam> nm
[21:20] <SporkWitch> fakam: driver manager
[21:21] <SporkWitch> they finally fixed it recently; not sure if you need kubuntu backports for plasma 5.6.5 to get the fix, though
[21:21] <fakam> it just says checking system never shows drivers.
[21:21] <SporkWitch> it's probably only fixed in backports, then
[21:21] <SporkWitch> the infinite checking thing has been present since 16.04, but appears to be resolved with backports ppa added and a full-upgrade
[21:22] <SporkWitch> (fixed as of just a couple weeks ago, too)
[21:30] <fakam> i installed the nvidia drivers but it's still using the built in intel driver.. :(
[21:31] <fakam> Kernel driver in use: i915_bpo
[21:31] <fakam> day two of battling this.
[21:35] <SporkWitch> i'd try getting the wizard to work, should save a lot of headache in the long run
 I use the graphics ppa
 and install the driver my card needs
[21:36] <fakam> the wizard is broken lol
[21:36] <SporkWitch> it DOES work finally (though it still takes a minute or two), but you may need the backports ppa
[21:36] <fakam> how do you get the backports ppa
[21:36] <SporkWitch> fakam: no, as i keep saying, it has finally been fixed.  Plenty of other still-broken stuff in KDE5 and kubuntu 16.04, but the driver wizard is no longer one of them.
[21:37] <SporkWitch> fakam: that's a google question.  Just search "kubuntu backports 16.04"
[21:37] <fakam> so i let the driver manager just sit here lol
 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/
[21:37] <SporkWitch> fakam: once you've done a full-upgrade with the backports PPA, yeah
[21:38] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: your name is now google, i shall now come to you rather than googling it myself
[21:38] <fakam> SporkWitch, this seem right http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/
[21:38] <SporkWitch> fakam: do i need to answer that? :P
 no thanks
[21:38] <fakam> sorry man I'm noob lol
[21:38] <fakam> want to make sure I'm doing the right thing
[21:40] <fakam> ok doing the upgrade i hope this works :)
[21:43] <fakam> SporkWitch, thanks for your time <3
[21:49] <SporkWitch> fakam: just pay attention to any conflicts it asks you to resolve
[21:51] <SporkWitch> fakam: on my system, doing a regular upgrade first, and THEN a full-upgrade, resolved most of the conflicts automatically without prompting.  The main one is it will install an old lib for kactivities (forget the name) that has a new name (kactivitymanagerd) in 5.6.5.  It'll want you to remove the old one, then you need to manually tell it to install the new one.  (if you use activites; if you
[21:51] <SporkWitch> don't, i wouldn't bother)
[21:52] <SporkWitch> (about the only use i've found for activities so far is splitting identities, so it's not as easy to accidentally lose track of which you were on; could still do that with virtual desktops, but the poor performance of activites actually helps here, since it's not as easy to smoothly switch between them and thus not remember that you did)
[21:52] <fakam> SporkWitch, it's completed, I didn't see any conflicts
[21:53] <SporkWitch> kk, just warning :)
[21:53] <fakam> i suppose i will reboot and it will all be wonderful lol
[21:53] <SporkWitch> when 16.04 first dropped, installing the nvidia drivers ended up taking out almost the entirety of KDE becaues i didn't pay attention to the conflict resolution it proposed.
[21:54] <fakam> i see
[21:54] <SporkWitch> fakam: it won't be wonderful, there's still a LOT of issues with 16.04 and KDE5 (especially kde5, SOOOOO many regressions, most of them deliberate)
[21:54] <SporkWitch> but it'll be better than without the updates
[21:54] <fakam> i wish I had known about this hehe
[21:55] <fakam> I love KDE but would switching to ubuntu be easier for nvidia stuffs
 Plasma 5 not KDE 5
[21:55] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: are the locale settings part of plasma?
[21:55] <SporkWitch> fakam: it wouldn't affect it
[21:55] <fakam> I guess I will reboot and see how it goes and if the driver manager works.
[21:55] <SporkWitch> fakam: ubuntu is still worse
[21:56] <SporkWitch> *and ubuntu
 translations?
[21:56] <fakam> yeah i'm not a fan of unity
 Ubuntu is fine dude
[21:56] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: formatting.
[21:56] <fakam> brb going to reboot and will let you know :P
 formatting?
[21:57] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: or would you NOT consider it a regression to have to have something show up in a language you don't speak, just because that's now the ONLY way to get the date formatted the way you like?
 mm not sure how date and language are together
 I only speak english so I've had no problems
 as it is one of the top 3 or so languages
[21:58] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: nor would any sane person be.  But because you can no longer specify formatting yourself, only choose from a bunch of country dropdowns, format and language are now inextricably linked
 mm
[21:58] <SporkWitch> i've found using the UK setting for dates is tolerable, but still not my preferred format.  It's just better than the american format.
[21:59] <SporkWitch> i think it was the italian setting that i liked better for the format, but i'm not fond of having all my months and days in a language i don't speak
[21:59] <SporkWitch> of course, prior to KDE5, we wouldn't be talking about countries, we'd just be talking about how we want the damn stuff formatted
 an a american I use the format with no issues
[21:59] <fakam> and back
 Plasma 5
[21:59] <SporkWitch> yeah, as an american, i hate the american format
[22:00] <SporkWitch> the week starts on monday, and month-day-year is retarded
 KDE refers to the community
[22:00] <fakam> so the driver manager is collecteing info
[22:00] <SporkWitch> fakam: give it a couple minutes, it SHOULD find it
[22:00] <fakam> ok
[22:00] <fakam> I will wait patiently
[22:00] <SporkWitch> fakam: at least on my intel machine, and my AMD CPU + nvidia GPU machine it does
[22:01] <SporkWitch> fakam: if you hit 5 minutes, something is probably still missing
[22:01] <fakam> I ditched Windows 10, I hope I can get this fixed @_@
[22:01] <SporkWitch> fakam: i can say with certainty that it IS possible to make it work now; whereas just a few weeks ago (and all points before, going back to 15.10 or 15.04) NO ONE could get it working, because it was completely broken
[22:02] <fakam> wow
[22:02] <SporkWitch> fakam: the only other package i can think of off the top of my head that needs to be manually installed is muon (installing muon will also fix Discovery to work again, if you like to use it to browse the repos)
 well 15.10 was the first move to Plasma 5
[22:02] <fakam> I think I have muon
[22:03] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: would have been 15.10, then; i only use LTS releases, generally
[22:03] <fakam> it's how I installed VLC etc
[22:03] <fakam> the software store of kde.
 Discover you mean
[22:04] <fakam> what is <ahoneybun>?
[22:05] <ahoneybun> I'm a person
[22:05] <fakam> that's odd, ^ is the first message I seen from you.
[22:05] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: sure
 I've been sending messagess the whole time
 just though telegram
 that other one is from irc
[22:05] <fakam> oh
[22:06] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: at least the real you is in the channel; normally the bridgebots annoy me for the lack of tab-completion lol
 well its a IRC<->Telegram bot
[22:07] <fakam> well driver management has failed
 yea the way SporkWitch said would fix it
[22:08] <fakam> this sucks, I have a nice laptop with a nice nvidia card and I can't use it :(
 you can...
 we've been telling you how
[22:10] <SporkWitch> fakam: unless you manually installed it, no, you do not have muon installed
[22:10] <fakam> ok then, I will install that.
[22:10] <SporkWitch> fakam: it's one of many problems with 16.04, it's actually not installing dependencies of stuff that it's preinstalled with
 in 16.04?
[22:11] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: yup.
 Discover should be installed by default
[22:11] <fakam> why can you guys see ahoneybun messages and I can't :P
[22:11] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: discover is, muon isn't.  That's why discover doesn't actually work right
[22:11] <SporkWitch> fakam: what do you mean?
[22:12] <fakam> you guys keep tagging ahoneybun
[22:12] <SporkWitch> fakam: IrcsomeBot1 is a bot that's connected here, but also to another service.  ahoneybun messages the bot on the other service, it then parrots her name and message here.
[22:12] <SporkWitch> so you are seeing her messages, when you see the bot say something, that's her saying something.
[22:12] <fakam> oh wow
[22:12] <fakam> makes sense
 I'm on Telegram
 the bot is pushing my messages over to IRC
[22:13] <fakam> ok get it now
[22:13] <SporkWitch> fakam: it's fairly common in gaming channels now that the discord API is fairly robust and stable.  Almost all the gaming stuff that used to have IRC channels now has a discord channel, and a bot sitting on both that automatically mirrors all messages in one to the other, and vice versa
[22:13] <fakam> yeah i love discord
[22:13] <SporkWitch> (fun fact: the discord bot will correctly highlight people with @here, @everyone, and @name mentions typed into IRC when it relays them to discord
[22:13] <fakam> ok searching how to install muon
[22:14] <SporkWitch> fakam: aptitude search muon
 apt install muon
[22:14] <fakam> ok
[22:14] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: stop skipping steps :P
 aptitude will not be installed by default anyway
[22:14] <fakam> lol
[22:15] <ahoneybun> tbh I'm having scaling issues with NVIDIA
[22:15] <ahoneybun> but it might be that I'm on 16.10 too
[22:15] <fakam> muon install completed
[22:15] <ahoneybun> rebooting brb
[22:16] <fakam> SporkWitch, shall I run muon?
 Also I'm not a her lol
[22:17] <fakam> lol
[22:17] <SporkWitch> fakam: no need, just need it installed
[22:17] <fakam> ok try driver manager again haha
[22:17] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: as long as your name contains honey, you will be female.  Because your sex doesn't actually matter (generally, or to me), and your name appears feminine, so those are the pronouns that come to me automatically
[22:17] <SporkWitch> fakam: yup!
[22:17] <fakam> ^
[22:17] <SporkWitch> fakam: i don't THINK there was anything else i installed manually that would have any relation
[22:18] <fakam> omfg
[22:18] <fakam> it loaded
[22:18] <SporkWitch> i rule
 But but
 I'm Aaron Honeycutt lol
[22:18] <SporkWitch> what what?
[22:18] <SporkWitch> (in the butt)
[22:18] <fakam> use nvidia version 361.42
 Please don't do that what what in here
[22:18] <SporkWitch> fakam: and this is why you should always listen to the spork ;)
[22:19] <fakam> ok so using processor microcode firmware for intel is checked
[22:19] <fakam> sporks rule
[22:19] <SporkWitch> fakam: yeah, hit the nvidia one :)
[22:19] <SporkWitch> fakam: also make sure that your BIOS are set to use discrete and not on-board
[22:19] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: you're the one that said "but but" and made me think of it lol
[22:20] <fakam> should i keep it checked
[22:20] <fakam> nvidia 361 is checked also
 You did not have to do.that
[22:20] <SporkWitch> they should be radio buttons, not checkboxes...
[22:20] <SporkWitch> ahoneybun: you forced my hand
[22:20] <fakam> earth to spork lol
[22:20] <SporkWitch> fakam: [18:20:13] <SporkWitch> they should be radio buttons, not checkboxes...
[22:21] <fakam> and bios wat
[22:22] <fakam> sorry radio buttons and one checkbox for intel cpus
[22:22] <SporkWitch> fakam: before / during POST, you hit a key to get into BIOS/UEFI.  If you have a mobo with on-board graphics, usually there will be a toggle to tell it whether to use the on-board or the discrete graphics processor.  Make sure that it's set to use discrete
[22:22] <fakam> well it says nvidia is already selected, isn't their a command to check to see if it's in use
[22:23] <SporkWitch> YES!
[22:23] <SporkWitch> i don't remember what it is, though lol
[22:24] <fakam> also make sure that your BIOS are set to use discrete and not on-board  i guess I will log in to bios and look for this setting.
[22:25] <fakam> brb will do this
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[22:32] <fakam> okay, I did not find such a setting discrete and on-board in my bios.
[22:38] <fakam> SporkWitch, lord of all sporks...
[22:38] <SporkWitch> yes, minion?
[22:38] <fakam> ^
[22:38] <SporkWitch> :P
[22:39] <fakam> m'lord, my bios has no such options.
[22:39] <SporkWitch> not sure mate, there ARE some commands you can use to try to figure out which driver it's actually using, but i can't remember them off the top of my head, and they involve some grepping around; i remember it being a PITA trying to figure out if the currently running driver was mesa or intel microcode on my laptop (especially since this was before the wizard was fixed, and both are installed)
[22:40] <SporkWitch> the nomodeset kernel flag can also cause it to fall back to crappier drivers, i noticed.
[22:40] <SporkWitch> so if that's set, you might have to troubleshoot the issue that you set it to deal with
[22:40] <fakam> ugh
[22:40] <fakam> i wish I knew all of this before I may have kept windows lol
[22:41] <fakam> but i love nix tho
[22:43] <fakam> welp, thanks for the tips.
[22:45] <SporkWitch> i can say that what you're looking for should absolutely be doable.  I just don't know what you need off the top of my head
[22:46] <fakam> I guess I'm not playing games for a long time lol
[22:51] <fakam> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'   btw is to show driver in use