[00:33] <vukasin> hello anyone here up to help me with something?
[00:45] <luca__> hi all
[01:19] <pablo_> Buenas noches
[01:19] <pablo_> Alguien podría indicarme cómo hago para desinstalar el escritorio de Ubuntu una vez que instalé Mate?
[01:20] <nomic> !bra
[01:20] <nomic> !pt
[01:20] <nomic> !sp
[01:20] <nomic> !es
[01:21] <pablo_> Somebady can tell me how can I uninstall Ubuntu desktop since I've installed Mate?
[01:25] <nomic> erm
[01:25] <nomic> is on separate partition?
[01:25] <nomic> you can delete the partition
[01:25] <nomic> gparted
[01:26] <nomic> gparted = partition management
[01:26] <nomic> log into mate
[01:26] <nomic> sudo apt-get install gparted
[01:26] <nomic> sudo gparted
[01:26] <nomic> select the ubuntu partition
[01:26] <nomic> delete
[01:26] <nomic> resize the ubuntu mate partition, to use up the space
[01:26] <nomic> read about "gparted" pablo_
[01:27] <nomic> ubuntu, mate, you have on separate PARTITIONs
[01:27] <nomic> gparted = the partition manager
[01:27] <nomic> you must boot into mate to utilise/operate on your ubuntu partition -- you can only change partitions that are not mounted
[01:27] <nomic> (being used)
[01:28] <nomic> delete the ubuntu partition .. resize the mate partition to use up the space
[01:29] <nomic> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/larry/resize/big/resize-1-mouse-b.gif   <- resizing
[01:29] <nomic> you drag the partition across to use up the unallocated space
[01:29] <pablo_> I've installed Mate over Ubuntu, and I am very satisfied
[01:29] <nomic> uhu
[01:29] <nomic> mate is very good
[01:29] <nomic> I have it on raspberry pi 3s :)
[01:29] <pablo_> But I want to keep Mate and discard Unity
[01:30] <pablo_> I don't know hoy discard my ancient Ubuntu
[01:30] <nomic> i told you ^
[01:30] <nomic> how
[01:30] <nomic> use gparted
[01:30] <nomic> = partition manager
[01:30] <nomic> delete the ubuntu partition
[01:30] <pablo_> ButI have no different partitions
[01:30] <nomic> expand the mate partition to use all the space
[01:30] <nomic> where is it then
[01:31] <pablo_> I have one partition for home and another for system
[01:31] <nomic> does mate/ubuntu reside on the same disk
[01:31] <nomic> if so it is in partitions
[01:32] <pablo_> Humm
[01:32] <pablo_> I can't understand
[01:33] <nomic> if ubuntu/mate are on the same hard disk drive
[01:33] <nomic> they are in partitions
[01:33] <pablo_> Because Ubuntu Mate and Ubuntu Desktop are located on same hard disk and same partition
[01:34] <nomic> they aren't in the same partition
[01:34] <nomic> unless you have one as a virtual machine (virtualbox)
[01:35] <nomic> they can't be in the same partition
[01:35] <nomic> partitions enable you to separately allocate the OS/data
[01:35] <pablo_> LOL, they are
[01:37] <nomic> when you boot you see a menu ubuntu/mate   = the boot manager
[01:37] <nomic> boots to partition
[01:41] <pablo_> I'm trying to send you a screenshot, but I can't
[01:41] <pablo_> But I have no differents partitions for Mate & Ubuntu
[01:42] <pablo_> My gparted doesn't show more than one system partition
[01:43] <nomic> how is ubuntu/mate running
[01:43] <nomic> how do you select either/or
[01:44] <pablo_> At login screen
[01:44] <pablo_> When system has booted yet
[01:46] <nomic> you are only running mate
[01:46] <nomic> or ubuntu
[01:47] <pablo_> Just Mate
[01:51] <nomic> go to #ubuntu , ask there
[01:51] <nomic> or forums
[01:51] <nomic> if you don't see it as a partition
[01:51] <nomic> how is it running
[01:51] <nomic> you are running ubuntu / different desktops
[01:54] <pablo_> Yes, I'm running ubuntu / different desktops, ut I want to keep just Mate
[01:58] <pablo_> Well, I'm going
[01:58] <pablo_> Thank you very much for your help
[01:58] <pablo_> Bye
[18:24] <alyana> hi everyone is this a channel to ask a question?
[18:26] <Akuli> yes
[18:28] <alyana> oh good thanks, maybe someone could answer me that. I have installed ubuntu-mate 16.04.1, and in the application where to determine how often it should look for updates and security updates, I did set to download and install security updates immediately. Now after reopening that, this option is blank and not selectable anymore. Is that a bug or intended or...?
[18:29] <alyana> I can still set how often it should look for other updates, and when to notify. But the drop down box in the middle, about the security updates, is greyed out
[18:30] <Akuli> i just remove the updater when i'm done installing ubuntu, and i update with the terminal :)
[18:32] <alyana> oh I see, when you update with the terminal, does that include all the available updates then, no matter what type of update it is (security, application, whatever...) ?
[18:33] <Akuli> yes, everything.
[18:34] <Akuli> first i run sudo aptitude update to refresh my package lists, then sudo aptitude upgrade to actually download and install the updates
[18:38] <alyana> ok thank you. I will do that too then. I just wondered why I could not change the settings anymore in that dropdown box. Any other option in there is working well, also in the other tabs everything looks ok. Just under "Updates" the option about the security updates is blank and grey, and if something like that appears, I just want to know why.
[18:38] <Akuli> that sounds indeed weird
[18:39] <Akuli> then again, thats why i like the terminal :) it lets me control my system more directly
[18:40] <alyana> yes, I am starting to use the terminal more and more often as well... however disappearing options like that make me nervous :) I could set it once. then I closed the application. Everything seems fine. Reopening it, gives that behaviour. I have veryfied that on two different machines now.
[18:40] <alyana> and I did that directly after a fresh install
[18:41] <alyana> maybe that application 'application & updates' itself needs an update :) This has not happened on any other distro I have tried out
[18:47] <alyana> I have to logout, talk to you another time :) thanks for your help!
[19:56] <koza> hi all
[19:57] <ouroumov_> hi koza
[20:54] <dav_> is awesome!
[20:54] <dav_> *ubuntu mate is awesome!
[21:39] <Bill_MI> Hiya ouroumov ouroumov_
[21:39] <ouroumov_> lol hi Bill_MI
[21:39] <rahtgaz> hey Bill_MI
[21:39] <Bill_MI> Hehe... just answered you.  Thanks for asking. :-)
[21:39] <ouroumov_> ^^
[21:40] <Bill_MI> Hiya rahtgaz
[21:40] <rahtgaz> It's marfig from the forums here
[21:40] <Bill_MI> Ah!  Didn't recognize you with your nick on. :-)
[21:40] <rahtgaz> good to see you on IRC :)
[21:41] <Bill_MI> Always good to see the gang.
[21:42] <ouroumov_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1622257
[21:42] <Bill_MI> There ya go.  LOL, got the community update too.
[21:43] <rahtgaz> let me just confirm it on my VM and I'll add myself as affected
[21:43] <ouroumov_> If you can check yourself as affected that should automatically remove the "New" status after a while for "Confirmed"
[21:43] <ouroumov_> rahtgaz, cool thanks
[21:43] <Bill_MI> I wonder if integration between those packages needs some work.  I have used unattended-upgrades on Ubuntu servers.  It's not really GUI.
[21:44] <ouroumov_> I remember a while back while checking the update details on some packages in Xenial that it was to solve a missing dependency, and nothing else.
[21:44] <ouroumov_> With some luck we can expect an SRU.
[21:44] <ouroumov_> :]
[21:45] <Bill_MI> ok, since launchpad changed authentication I haven't been there much.
[21:45] <Bill_MI> But I got there :-)
[21:45] <ouroumov_> ^^
[21:46] <Bill_MI> And thanks for the mention.  I saw it. :-)
[21:46] <ouroumov_> For the glory :D
[21:46] <rahtgaz> yup. missing dependency already. Or rather, it's not listed as a dependency
[21:46] <Bill_MI> Lucky hunch.
[21:47] <rahtgaz> check 'apt-cache rdepends unattended-upgrades'
[21:47] <Bill_MI> Did you see the thread where Wimpy suggested it?  I sort of thought it was to stop notifying.
[21:48] <ouroumov_> Yeah I checked it out, it was indeed kind of an out-of-the-blue comment
[21:48] <Bill_MI> The Software Updater trying to notify from the app tray screws compiz.
[21:49] <Bill_MI> Yeah, reading more into it... maybe he was on some sort of need for the package.
[21:50] <ouroumov_> btw Wimpy is flexiondotorg on IRC.
[21:50] <ouroumov_> Oh hey the software updater is telling me of some updates to network connections
[21:50] <rahtgaz> I didn't know that. I think I have him on my ignore list
[21:51] <rahtgaz> kiding :p
[21:51] <Bill_MI> Ah!  I knew that, too.
[21:51] <ouroumov_> Apparently they fixed the wrong icon issue, that's cool if that works
[21:51] <Bill_MI> He's a busy guy.
[21:52] <Bill_MI> I use synaptic for everything but always curious with Softare Updater also says.
[21:52] <Bill_MI> I love synaptic's searchable history.
[21:53] <ouroumov_> Checkout that list of changes: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+changelog
[21:53] <ouroumov_> Maybe networking will finally be fixed in xenial
[21:53] <Bill_MI> Old Ubuntu updater used to be a *synaptic* app.  But they've gotten away from that.
[21:54] <ouroumov_> Does synaptic also logs the changes if we don't use it for the updates?
[21:54] <Bill_MI> Oh geeze... don't get me started on NetworkDismanager.
[21:55] <ouroumov_> 'Cause I like the sound of "searchable history"
[21:55] <Bill_MI> It only logs updates if you use synaptic, unfortunately.
[21:55] <rahtgaz> don't understand what you guys are talking about?
[21:55] <rahtgaz> changes?
[21:56] <Bill_MI> Yeah, synaptic logs all installs, upgrades, etc.
[21:57] <Bill_MI> Ubuntu's old (10.04) updater added to it.  But no more
[21:57] <Bill_MI> It's a dumb text search... it'll find all update actions with a version number or a package name.
[21:58] <rahtgaz> Oh, right. I understand. Yes. Even if you removed the repository, it will keep the log
[21:58] <Bill_MI> It's not the update log, like in a terminal... but just... let me get one...
[21:59] <Bill_MI> ok... the very recent weather update entry, together with everything else it di at that same "Apply"....
[22:00] <Bill_MI> Commit Log for Fri Sep  9 06:26:53 2016
[22:00] <Bill_MI> Upgraded the following packages:
[22:00] <Bill_MI> libimlib2 (1.4.7-1build1) to 1.4.7-1ubuntu0.1
[22:00] <Bill_MI> libmateweather-common (1.14.1-1~xenial1.1) to 1.14.3-1~xenial1.1
[22:00] <Bill_MI> libmateweather1 (1.14.1-1~xenial1.1) to 1.14.3-1~xenial1.1
[22:00] <Bill_MI> That's all the log is.
[22:00] <Bill_MI> I didn't get kicked for flooding :-)
[22:01] <Bill_MI> I have every package changed from install.
[22:02] <ouroumov_> Bill_MI, do you have the reason for the changes too?
[22:02] <rahtgaz> no :(
[22:02] <Bill_MI> Nope.  But synaptic has "Change Log"
[22:03] <Bill_MI> ...many PPAs don't support that function, though.
[22:03] <rahtgaz> You mean download chenge log, I think
[22:03] <rahtgaz> that was fixed btw, Bill_MI. It just needs to trickle down into the next SRU
[22:04] <ouroumov_> Bill_MI, actually if I'm not mistaken there was a bug in the updater that meant updates from ppa
[22:04] <ouroumov_> damn rahtgaz beat me to it
[22:04] <rahtgaz> yeah. We can now get the change log from PPAs. But may still take a while before we get that update
[22:05] <Bill_MI> I think it's just a file on the repo someone needs to make.  Never really looked into it.
[22:05] <Bill_MI> Ah, good.  Didn't know it was a bug.
[22:05] <rahtgaz> not a bug a think. it resulted form a feature request... 8 years old lol
[22:06] <Bill_MI> You get "Coming from a source that doesn't support Change Logs"
[22:06] <rahtgaz> better later than never, i say
[22:06] <Bill_MI> or sompin' like that.
[22:06] <ouroumov_> lol count on the bug report is 4 affected, I think v3xx marked himself too
[22:07] <rahtgaz> fair enough :)
[22:08] <Bill_MI> Unfortunately, Synaptic is accumulating more bugs than the Amazon. :-(
[22:08] <rahtgaz> the good thing is that I think it will also work with loca deb packages.
[22:08] <rahtgaz> local*
[22:08] <Bill_MI> Little things not worth the time.
[22:09] <Bill_MI> One of the big companies... Sun?  wrote Synaptic originally.
[22:11] <rahtgaz> That's the thing that bothers me about synpatic. I'd like to be more vocal in its support. But that's hard to do when you should only use a limited set of its features
[22:11] <Bill_MI> Exactly.  It's not like you can recommend it to new users.
[22:17] <rahtgaz> ouroumov_: I'm preparing a tutorial for the forums on Pelican as a note app. I've finished the web template for a note taker and have been only perfecting it. So, I'm already using it and have uninstalled Cherry Tree
[22:17] <rahtgaz> I'll be giving credit to you on the idea :)
[22:18] <ouroumov_> rahtgaz, nice. I'll be sure to look it up.
[22:18] <rahtgaz> I've just been a little busy for the past couple of weeks, so my forum presence has been limited. Not sure about the upcoming week. But I'll start my vancations the week after. So that's for sure
[22:19] <rahtgaz> vacations* (hated that typo)
[22:20]  * Bill_MI wonders if rahtgaz takes vacations in a van. :-)
[22:20] <ouroumov_> ^^
[22:20] <rahtgaz> I'll also be including a syntax template for vim
[22:20] <rahtgaz> an, lol? didn't get the joke
[22:20] <rahtgaz> van*
[22:20] <ouroumov_> 'van'cation
[22:20] <rahtgaz> oh lol
[22:21] <Bill_MI> Well.. a Van is a vehicle.  They make them into plush campers.
[22:21] <Bill_MI> I guess they still do. :-)
[22:21] <rahtgaz> It's a nice addition to my list of things to do when I retire
[22:22] <Bill_MI> I usually have to work on things around the house... we all that a staycation.
[22:23] <Bill_MI> all = call
[22:25] <ouroumov_> I'm in the process of recreating a memory leak bug on Fedora24
[22:25] <ouroumov_> (MATE-spin)
[22:25] <rahtgaz> I'm not big on camping to be honest. My dream retirement is buying a small farm and a pickup. Go to town only to buy provisions and leave the rest of my life looking for animals I won't be able to kill for food. My chickens will die of old age
[22:27] <ouroumov_> rahtgaz, in a few years lab-grown meat is gonna become mainstream anyway
[22:27] <rahtgaz> well, if it tastes as good as the real thing, I won't complain for sure
[22:28] <ouroumov_> My guess is 20 years from now killing animals for food will be considered deviant behavior
[22:28] <rahtgaz> I'll drink to that
[22:29] <ouroumov_> ^^
[22:29] <Bill_MI> Interesting idea.  I just hope open-source is around at the same time.
[22:29] <Bill_MI> I beg for the day the average person gasps at the thought of running software they can't examine.
[22:30] <ouroumov_> Actually that's not my idea, I extrapolated from scientific advances and a book by Peter F. Hamilton called "Fallen Dragon"
[22:31] <ouroumov_> I'm reading a decent amount of SF these days
[22:34] <Bill_MI> Great-Granddaughter doesn't think I'm talking to anyone because she can't hear anything. :-)
[22:35] <Bill_MI> She just started 1st grade and omg I can't believe her energy.
[22:35] <rahtgaz> kids that age. My wife runs a kindergarten in our house. little devilish angels all of 'em
[22:36] <Bill_MI> Oh yeah!
[22:36] <rahtgaz> ouroumov_: you want this. I can't overstate the importance of this collection to any SF reader : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Masterworks
[22:37] <ouroumov_> rahtgaz, oh gawd
[22:38] <ouroumov_> Hamilton is not listed on the page, but Alastair Reynolds is :D
[22:38] <rahtgaz> many are out of print. You could get them off torrent sites. But you can also buy them on amazon fromm other publishers of course. However that's considered the best collection ever devised. I'v been a collector since 2002
[22:38] <ouroumov_> I only have three books from Alastair Reynolds left to read.
[22:39] <rahtgaz> any hard science fiction writer is an idol on my book. And alaistar is right there on the top
[22:39] <ouroumov_> ^^
[22:41] <Bill_MI> Been a pleasure folks.  I'm off to be a wizard.  Catchya on the boards!
[22:41] <rahtgaz> Penguin (i think Penguin) released a collection of his short fiction in one volvume.
[22:41] <ouroumov_> Bye Bill_MI
[22:41] <rahtgaz> take care Bill_MI : Return to us
[22:41] <ouroumov_> He'll read the logs :]
[22:41] <rahtgaz> :)
[23:08] <rahtgaz> going to bed. take care!
[23:15] <blackdrake> hi guys can I run a NAS box with ubuntu mate on raspberry pi
[23:17] <ouroumov_> blackdrake: Isn't storage space extremely limited on a rpi?
[23:17] <blackdrake> I have a external 1 tb usb drive
[23:19] <ouroumov_> Well, if you're asking regarding the CPU power & memory, I think the recent versions of rpi are enough.
[23:21] <blackdrake> ouroumov_: thanks
[23:21] <ouroumov_> blackdrake, that said
[23:22] <ouroumov_> Usually for a good NAS you want FreeNAS or such
[23:22] <ouroumov_> Not sure if that would run on a rpi tough
[23:24] <ouroumov_> I'm off to sleep, good luck
[23:25] <greendrake> ouroumov_: thanks mate
[23:41] <dav_> Hello!
[23:51] <FinalShroom81> Hello everyone, I am having a problem with chrome on ubuntu mate. Whenever I launch chrome it just shows a black and white screen of nothing. Something similar happens with unity3d on ubuntu-mate. it makes a black block appear in the middle of my screen. any solutions?