[00:17] <ChetManly> !vbox
[00:19] <ChetManly> I see that with 14.04.5 there is a switch in konversation versions is this the same for vbox and other popular apps?
[08:17] <ChetManly> why wont suspend work on m system?
[08:18] <ChetManly> 14.04.5 fresh install
[08:18] <ChetManly> no properitary drivers
[08:20] <Smurphy> ChetManly: How much ram, and how large is the SWAP space ?
[08:21] <ChetManly> 8 gigs and 4 gigs respectively
[08:21] <acheronuk> suspend to RAM?
[08:22] <ChetManly> yes
[08:22] <Smurphy> That's why it can't work. Suspend write the memory to swap.
[08:22] <Smurphy> Ah - suspend to ram. you have to be precise here.
[08:22] <ChetManly> I have a ssd and dont want hibernation writes
[08:23] <ChetManly> plus i dont think kde supports hibernate does it?
[08:23] <acheronuk> What do you mean by "won't work"? It could fail at many points. From no option in first place, to a back screen/crash on attempted resume.
[08:24] <ChetManly> the screen turns off but the computer never stops
[08:24] <ChetManly> I set it in system settings power management, screen will go black but fans never die
[08:25] <ChetManly> the windows install (dual boot) will suspend
[08:26] <Smurphy> Windows is not a reference. Is ACPI configure correctly -> BIOS/UEFI setup?
[08:26] <ChetManly> bios
[08:27] <ChetManly> it only has two states s1 or s3
[08:28] <Smurphy> have you checked the logs on the system? Including kernel ring buffer. Maybe it tells you something on it.
[08:28] <Smurphy> And I suppose you configured the suspend correctly in the system settings?
[08:29] <ChetManly> Smurphy:  i just set it under power
[08:29] <ChetManly> is there other places?
[08:29] <Smurphy> So  you pu suspend session after 10MNinutes?
[08:30] <ChetManly> screen 1 min and system 2 minutes
[08:30] <Smurphy> Well, just tested it here. No problems (Running on a 2012 macmini 6.2 here).
[08:30] <Smurphy> Works out of the box.
[08:31] <ChetManly> this is a asus board of some type
[08:32] <ChetManly> one sec
[08:32] <acheronuk> There are some wiki pages on troubleshooting suspend issues, and always plenty of questions on askubuntu for reference. It could be kernel/hardware/graphics card related, Or windows/secure boot interfering?
[08:32] <ChetManly> well two mins lol
[08:32] <acheronuk> Smurphy: Fine here on Xenial and Yakkety with all my hardware
[08:55] <ChetManly> does it shut off the network card too?
[08:55] <ChetManly> must
[09:10] <ChetManly> so ypur saying that swap needs to be as big as ram to hibenate?
[09:11] <ChetManly> your*
[09:13] <Smurphy> ChetManly: Of course. Everything is shut off. The network card may however have WoL active. means that whatever ping goes over the line, or request going to that Mac, will cause the system to wake up.
[09:14] <Smurphy> ChetManly: Yes - for hybernation/suspend to disk, Memory is written to disk.
[09:14] <Smurphy> However, with the speed any linux system boots nowadays when using a SSD - I don't use it.
[09:17] <acheronuk> I always found resume from hibernation to be a bit of a lottery anyway. Too many times it would fail for my liking. Not tried it in a few years though
[09:17] <ChetManly> your  sure its wriiten to swap and not tmp?
[09:19] <ChetManly> ok
[09:21] <ChetManly> sudo aptitude install plasma-widget-quickaccess         where is this in new releases
[09:22] <ChetManly> quick access is the best applet ever made
[09:26] <ChetManly> also where are the options for oxygen in 16.04? I miss the blue shadown active window glow
[09:48] <Smurphy> ChetManly: It is written to SWAP.
[09:49] <ChetManly> yes I read that now thanks for your continued help
[10:09] <alleehol> Searching in Discover (xenial) is it broken? Only here?  Searching vor 'calc' or 'speed' gives no results, but speedcrunch is in list of  popular apps and I could install it.  Any tip how to debug?
[10:11] <soee_> alleehol: i think thisis know bug in current version
[10:16] <alleehol> soee_: Okay. Thx. I install neon dev VM to check if it's fixed upstream
[10:23] <konrados> Morning.
[10:24] <konrados> Don't get me wrong, I love ubuntu, but isn't this a lie: "The leading OS for PC, tablet, phone and cloud | Ubuntu" - this is the title of http://www.ubuntu.com/ page, isn't Windows the leading OS?
[10:25] <soee_> konrados: i'm not sure if this is related to Kubutnu support
[10:29] <konrados> I know it's a bit off topic, but it's quite here soee_  so I thought I may be a bit off topic, but nvm
[10:29] <konrados> *quire quiet right now
 konrados you Irish?
[10:42] <konrados> IrcsomeBot, nope, I'm Polish, why did you think I'm Irish?
 the word quire
[10:42] <konrados> ah, no, it's just a type, IrcsomeBot
[10:43] <konrados> *ehh, a typo, IrcsomeBot :)
 quire/quare means extreme or very
[11:11] <konrados> IrcsomeBot - thanks, didn't know that :)
[11:45] <soee_> clivejo: we Polish people are everywhere -.-
[11:47] <alleehol> soee_: FWIW  search in plasma-discover 5.7.4 in neon dev un/stable works.  So no upstream bug.
[11:48] <soee_> and check  what version kubuntu has :)
[12:12] <Mrokii> Hello. How long does it usually take for the "Driver Manager" to collect system information? I'm only asking because the window only seems to show me the message "Checking Information About Your System", and nothing else happens.
[12:20] <acheronuk> Mrokii:  you may need to run 'sudo apt-get install apt-xapian-index' then 'sudo update-apt-xapian-index' before you run the driver manager
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:31] <hazamonzo> Howdy BluesKaj
[12:32] <hazamonzo> Mrokii: I kinda remember the Driver manager could be broken on a recent relase
[12:32] <hazamonzo> I think you can do it via commandline instead though
[12:32] <Mrokii> hazamonzo: Okay, I'll investigate that, thanks.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo
[12:45] <konrados> Hello everyone:)
[12:48] <konrados> I've just installed xenial along with newest KDE, and can't find things... I was on 14.x. Like global keyboard shortcuts, I won't to bind this search tool (F12) to some other shortcuts, where can I find it?
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> konrados- System Settings -> Shortcuts
[12:55] <konrados> sec...
[12:55] <Vacuum_> I am trying to install kubuntu 16.14.1 LTS but after a minut of boot from live dvd, I see a tty1 screen asking me login and password. What should i do?
[13:01] <konrados> Dragnslcr thanks, i found the settings, but this particular one is not there o.O
[13:02] <konrados> I mean I can't find this tool on the list of keyboard shorccuts
[13:10] <konrados> Dragnslcr - found it, thank you!
[13:15] <acheronuk> Vacuum_: Does CTRL+Alt+F7 swich you to a graphical session?
[13:23] <konrados> How to change font size in the taskbar? I'm tried everything in settings->fonts but nothing works.
[13:26] <somekool> I have an icon issues with some applications.. like ksysguard and konsole. when they are not running, I see their icon in my icons-only task manager.. but when they run, the icon is gone... it must be some broken settings... anyone would have an idea where to look ?
[13:27] <pineapplelover> hello How to open a .history file?
[13:28] <pineapplelover> I configured konsole to store the scroll history at /home/user/.cache/konsole but I cannot read those files
[13:33] <Vacuum_> acheronuk:  let me check
[13:49] <pineapplelover> oh I get it! just konsole
[13:49] <pineapplelover> those files are only visible when konsole is running
[13:49] <pineapplelover> visible through konsole heh
[13:54] <Vacuum_> acheronuk:  no mode set worked (it was in f6 options). Thanks!!
[13:54] <pineapplelover> hey how to make the activities panel smaller?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> pineapplelover, how large is it on your desktop?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> also depends how many activity desktops you have
[14:11] <pineapplelover> 10 cm
[14:12] <pineapplelover> and it is vertical
[14:12] <pineapplelover> so I just wanted to squeeze it  so that the text fits perfectly. now there is a lot of spare space
[14:13] <pineapplelover> moreover...
[14:14] <pineapplelover> if I can squeeze it I can make other windows and applications use that space. I like the "remember" feature kubuntu provides
[14:22] <pineapplelover> when I click activities preferences I can set size and position but to the preference tab! and not to the actual activities panel!! grrrr!
[14:27] <BluesKaj> mine takes about 20% of the desktop which ok since i don't use it much
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I have the fav apps associated with an activity desktop in the more actions>special application settings drop down by right clicking on the app tilebar and setting size, postition and activities to the remember setting
[14:33] <pineapplelover> yep...but I cant squeeze it
[14:33] <pineapplelover> I tried that
[14:33] <pineapplelover> remember and setting size to 200
[14:34] <pineapplelover> but it makes a square
[14:36] <pineapplelover> in size there is only one number: 816,65 and the panel is a rectangle.. I would need the other dimension
[14:38] <pineapplelover> oh sorry
[14:38] <pineapplelover> the comma
[14:38] <pineapplelover> heh
[14:38] <pineapplelover> it is not a comma
[14:38] <pineapplelover> but a separation
[14:38] <pineapplelover> between dimensions
[14:39] <pineapplelover> width and heith
[14:41] <pineapplelover> hmmm
[14:41] <pineapplelover> the problem comes when selecting "remember"
[14:42] <pineapplelover> it then turns into a square
[15:19] <user|78958> please help! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/1/view/luth8tvd0mmbs7j/Apps/Shutter/Escritorio%201_004.png
[15:20] <user|78958> I just set activities panel application preferences size force to 500 and now I cannot use the desktop!!!
[15:21] <user|78958> how to reset to default sizes?
[15:21] <user|78958> I am not able to open the preferences anymore
[15:22] <user|78958> desktop main menu activities all is overlapping on a fraction of my desktop now
[15:23] <user|78958> see that huge red dot? it is only the first one of the set in the activities icon!
 can you remove the panel?
[15:56] <user|66254> hello
[15:56] <user|66254> I need help restoring my desktop panels to default: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/1/view/luth8tvd0mmbs7j/Apps/Shutter/Escritorio%201_004.png
[15:57] <user|66254> that post shows what happened after changing and forcing size in special application preferences of the activities panel
[15:57] <user|66254> I cannot get it back to default
[16:01] <SporkWitch> user|66254: should be googleable, but i think those settings should be under "window behaviour" in the main KDE settings
[16:07] <user|66254> SporkWitch: I ll check it out
[16:12] <user|66254> SporkWitch: I found window behaviour but I don't see why that might fix my issue...
[16:12] <SporkWitch> IIRC one of the tabs or submenus in there has the "special window settings" that you've set for various stuff
[16:13] <user|66254> window rules?
[16:13] <SporkWitch> if it's not in that one, keep looking, it's in there somewhere (or was in KDE4; for all i know this is yet another regression in KDE5, it certainly seems full of them)
[16:13] <SporkWitch> that sounds correct
[16:14] <user|66254> yeah I think those are the preferences I added myself
[16:14] <user|66254> I ll remove them
[16:14] <user|66254> kcmshell5?
[16:14] <user|66254> is that the activities panel "technical name"?
[16:15] <SporkWitch> there are no rules by default, so they're all things that you set
[16:15] <user|66254> quassell brought back my menu bar!!!
[16:15] <user|66254> removing that rule
[16:17] <user|66254> I removed them all but still the desktop background....keeps that forced size...
[16:17] <user|66254> I guess that will be fixed closing session
[16:17] <SporkWitch> which is it? the desktop background or the panel?
[16:17] <user|66254> thanks for your help SporkWitch
[16:18] <SporkWitch> you said it was a panel originally; you need to be precise or you're going to get bad advice
[16:18] <user|66254> the background
[16:18] <user|66254> no
[16:18] <SporkWitch> if you're talking about the background, right click, desktop settings, and change the scale/crop/original size dropdown
[16:18] <user|66254> indeed the activities panel has still bad size
[16:18] <SporkWitch> yeah, the panel will be bad size until it's reloaded; the rules determine what happens when you create the window, not what happens to that instance after
[16:19] <user|66254> nope
[16:19] <user|66254> oh
[16:19] <user|66254> I ll close session now and see what happens
[16:24] <pineapplelover_> hey
[16:24] <pineapplelover_> SporkWitch: its me
[16:24] <pineapplelover_> user|66254>
[16:24] <pineapplelover_> fixed!
[16:24] <pineapplelover_> I ll never forget those rules
[16:25] <pineapplelover_> it reminds me windows 2008 server
[16:25] <pineapplelover_> when you stablish rules for the network clients
[16:25] <SporkWitch> pineapplelover_: glad you got it fixed
[16:25] <pineapplelover_> I like kubuntu
[16:25] <pineapplelover_> its fun
[16:25] <pineapplelover_> and thrilling heh
[16:26] <SporkWitch> it's decent; 14.04 was better, but steam started acting up in it, seems to want w/e is in 16.04 now
[16:26] <SporkWitch> LOT of regressions in 16.04, and even more KDE5
[16:26] <pineapplelover_> oh
[16:26] <pineapplelover_> steam?
[16:26] <pineapplelover_> the game platform?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> I have an odd issue on 14.04 with .img files , they show a question mark inside the icons as if they're corrupted or unrecognized
[16:35] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: sounds like a missing plugin
[16:35] <SporkWitch> or misconfigured mimetype settings
[16:36] <Smurphy> Well - my new old issue is that I can't use the Up/Down keys in kmail mail listing...
[16:36] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, haven't tried to configure any mime types
[16:38] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: nonetheless, that's what it sounds like and would be the first things i would check.  just because you didn't change anything doesn't mean that something else didn't mangle it; i'm still stripping the gnome contamination out of one of my machines that some other app pulled down even though it didn't really need them; messed all kinds of defaults up without ever prompting for the change
[16:46] <BluesKaj> it's a recent clean install , wiped the drive clean and installed the iso . there are no ppas or 3rd party packages etc
[16:48] <BluesKaj> googling doesn't bring up anything relevant
[16:50] <BluesKaj> bbl
[17:57] <pineapplelover_> hello how to switch dolphin max min close buttons to the left?
[17:57] <pineapplelover_> sorry not dolphin but quassel
[17:58] <pineapplelover_> oops
[17:58] <pineapplelover_> quassel is this chat
[17:58] <pineapplelover_> I meant dolphin
[18:05] <Zren> pineapplelover_, K => Type "Window Decorations" => Buttons Tab
[18:14] <pineapplelover_> Zren what do you mean K?
[18:16] <Zren> pineapplelover_, I probably should just stick to "Start".
[18:16] <Zren> Essentially, system settings > Windows > Window Decorations
[18:16] <Zren> But it's faster to just search for it
[19:01] <ranu> Hello, trying to install a *.deb file and it seems it doesn't work, as it just says Done but when I try to use the program it isn't found
[19:01] <ranu> The problem is with liblove0_0.10.1ppa1_amd64.
 that's a library package of some sort. It can't run on it's own
[19:17] <pineapplelover_> Zren thanks I found window decorations after a while
[19:18] <pineapplelover_> and got those buttons switched
[19:19] <ranu> acheronuk: my bad, tried with love package and it was successfully installed.
[19:44] <momoe> Hello hello~
[20:03] <momoe> so I did a full update using the ppa's in "backports-landing" and most everything went swimingly so far, except for a few kinks...
[20:04] <momoe> Discover doesn't seem to be working correctly atm, and is plasmoid is spitting out...
[20:04] <momoe> Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.discovernotifier/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: module "org.kde.discovernotifier" is not installed
[20:05] <acheronuk> momoe: Yes, the qml dependencies need to be updated for that.
[20:06] <momoe> acheronuk, since I'm still blazing my learning trail here, mind a little one on one through that process?
[20:11] <acheronuk> momoe: I'll find the relevant packages in a bit. tying to talk to several people at once I'm afraid.
[20:12] <momoe> Yes, I'm in no hurry. And thank you for the assist.
[20:16] <acheronuk> momoe: do you have package plasma-discover-updater installed?
[20:16] <momoe> checking now...
[20:17] <momoe> no, I have 'plasma-discover-common'
[20:17] <momoe> correction, I do
[20:21] <acheronuk> hmmmm. I may have to find a Xenial virtual machine. I do not use discover, and it's packages have been moved about a bit on yakkety which is what I run
[20:22] <momoe> Okay, I only used Discover because it was the provided one with this install.
[20:24] <momoe> My original goal was to get KDEConnect v1.0 update which I achieved after some considerable effort. The dependancies were in 'backports-landing'
[20:24] <acheronuk> what I will say, is that I think the landing ppa is may well get an update to 5.7.4 before it's done, which I suspect will sort many of the issues
[20:24] <momoe> *nods* Understood.
[20:25] <acheronuk> we are trying to get Yakkety Yak done at the moment before the beta freeze, so backports are not top priority
[20:26] <momoe> Yes, that's next month IIRC? I figured when 16.10 drops, I'm going to learn how to fresh install of that while hopefully maintaining my home stuff.
[20:27] <acheronuk> plasma 5.8 which *should* be great :) is 1 months away from release as well, so personally I care more about having that backported eventually to xenial. Not my call though, but makes sense to me
[20:29] <acheronuk> Up to you whether you upgrade. if you want the stability of an LTS release, or roll with the newer one that has a shorter support period.
[20:29] <momoe> I've not heard about 5.8 yet, on the RSS feeds, but yes. I think some of the latest and greatest are being comitted to the 17.04 release
[20:30] <momoe> As this is my first real install of a linux OS, I was originally comitted tot he LTS for the stability, but 4 months in and starting to branch out and dabble in these areas.
[20:30] <momoe> As stated, my original goal here was to pull down the KDEConnect v1.0 update.
[20:31] <momoe> I'm hoping that will be in the 16.10 update so when I swing around to a clean install, will be a part of those packages?
[20:35] <acheronuk> momoe: we have several keen users of kdeconnect among the developers, so if not in the main archive for 16.10 it will be available somewhere
[20:37] <momoe> That sounds great! http://i.imgur.com/pMpHefK.jpg
[20:38] <acheronuk> momoe: 5.8 possible features https://paste.kde.org/phjxuirwl
[20:41] <blarge> hey guys.. I have a weird problem (using kxstudios repo)... at one point I turned off wifi and networking via nm-applet, but then the option to reenable wifi disappeared... Therefore my wifi is broken.. Please help! I've tried installing other guis but I cant even see networks that are available. any insights are much appreciated, thanks
[20:48] <momoe> acheronuk, thanks for the assist, I'll keep plugging away at the problem.
[20:48] <mfz> 1
[20:48] <acheronuk> momoe: Sorry, I've got about 3 chats going. lol
[20:49] <acheronuk> I will be around here plenty
[20:49] <momoe> Oh no worries, I know the juggling feeling.