[04:32] <hikiko> Hi
[04:51] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <willcooke> morning all
[07:53] <willcooke> Full set of replacement generic toner cartridges for my laser printer - 80 quid.  Brand new printer 75 quid.
[07:55] <duflu> willcooke: Yes, but the new printer only comes with half (or less) as much toner(?)
[07:55] <duflu> That's how it usually goes
[07:55] <willcooke> what a rip off :)
[07:56] <willcooke> Not that I really print very much
[07:56] <willcooke> mainly kids stuff for school
[07:56] <willcooke> so a new set might last a long time
[07:57] <duflu> I think mine is dying (colours out of alignment and can't fix it now). But probably almost 10 years from a colour laser and only having changed all catridges once is OK
[07:57] <duflu> Once? Twice?
[07:58] <pitti> I gave up owning a printer many years ago, and I just pay the 10c/page in a copy shop for the three times a year I need to print something
[07:58] <willcooke> ha
[07:58] <willcooke> thats a good idea
[07:59] <pitti> in my case, the things I actually do want to print are usually the high-quality color stuff, which looks so much better in a professional shop anyway
[07:59] <pitti> but I guess school kids are still a lot more dependent on paper than us :)
[08:00] <duflu> True. Although my experience printing photos (e.g. on Kodak terminals) while superior quality, is also fragile. They don't for example survive being mounted behind glass
[08:00] <duflu> Whereas a laser print has no problems, and is cheaper and more convenient
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> Morning.
[08:08] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> Laney, may I request a little assistance please.
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, o/
[08:09] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, laney is on hols this week
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> Bottoms.
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[08:38] <tjaalton> anyone else noticed that the update manager popup that asks to restart the machine after installing updates takes a fair bit of cpu just sitting idle
[08:38] <ochosi> willcooke: oh, darn, so Laney is away, is seb128 around?
[08:38] <willcooke> ochosi, yeah he'll be around generally
[08:38] <seb128> (doh)
[08:38] <ochosi> ok good, i have a MR pending for review that i already discussed previously with Laney
[08:39] <willcooke> hey seb128!  Happy birthday!
[08:39] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:39] <ochosi> but it's more or less self-explanatory
[08:39] <seb128> hey willcooke, thanks ;-)
[08:39] <seb128> salut pitti
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: hereux anniversaire ! *accolade*
[08:39] <seb128> (I've been around for a while, just dealing with emails/backlog from the w.e)
[08:39] <seb128> pitti, merci ! *accolade* ;-)
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: I was hoping you were dealing with your cake :)
[08:40] <seb128> haha
[08:40] <pitti> or was it ice cream?
[08:41] <seb128> no cake/ice cream yet, but I got a nice smoothie+yagourt+cereals mix preparred for me this morning ;-)
[08:41] <ochosi> oh wow - bon anniversaire seb128!
[08:41] <seb128> ochosi, merci !
[08:41] <seb128> but yeah, summer is still there, probably going to get some ice cream after lunch!
[08:41] <ochosi> seb128: so you'll get an easy-cheesy one-line 0-regression-potential MR from me for your bday ;)
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: quand tu devient vieux, tu dois manger sain :-P
[08:42] <seb128> ochosi, sorry, share the url ;-)
[08:42]  * seb128 slaps pitti
[08:42] <ochosi> seb128: yeah, sorry about that ;)) https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/evince/add_toolbar_class/+merge/305423
[08:42] <seb128> my age is still starting with a 3, I'm not old yet :p
[08:42] <ochosi> haha
[08:42]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[08:42] <seb128> ochosi, thanks, putting on my list for today
[08:42]  * seb128 ^5s pitti back
[08:43] <ochosi> seb128: great! lemme know if you have questions/doubts
[08:43] <seb128> ochosi, looks fine/makes sense to me
[08:43] <seb128> so should be fine
[08:44] <ochosi> nice
[08:47] <tjaalton> filed bug 1622510
[08:51] <seb128> tjaalton, weird
[08:51] <tjaalton> yeah, spinning somewhere
[08:51] <seb128> when did that start?
[08:52] <tjaalton> just noticed it, perhaps it's old
[08:52] <tjaalton> or not
[08:52]  * tjaalton goes to lunch
[09:30] <larsu> happy birthday seb128!
[09:31] <seb128> larsu, danke!
[09:31] <larsu> seb128: how are you doing?
[09:33] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[09:33] <seb128> summer is back
[09:34] <seb128> had a nice w.e as well, played some tennis on saturday, went to a party in the evening and did some walking along the beach yesterday
[09:34] <seb128> larsu, how are you?
[09:35] <larsu> seb128: ah that sounds nice! I'm great too, thanks :)
[09:35] <larsu> seb128: summer is here as well, Faina is here for *over a week*
[09:35] <larsu> holidays in Saudi
[09:37] <seb128> quite some travelling for you it seems!
[09:37] <larsu> yeah, I visted her in Dubai a couple of times
[09:38] <larsu> last time we went to Oman - really nice!
[09:40] <seb128> not to hot out there?
[09:40] <seb128> south of France is already too warm for me in summer
[09:40] <seb128> not sure I would enjoy deserts
[09:40] <larsu> yeah it was around 40° there
[09:40] <larsu> crazy
[09:41]  * larsu was happy to only be there for a couple of days
[09:41] <larsu> and, for the first time, glad about having AC
[09:59] <jbicha> larsu: I hear the mountains in Oman are nice
[10:02] <larsu> jbicha: we were actually in Khasab, a little enclave in UAE
[10:03] <larsu> very impressive rock formations there; it's where two tectonic plates meet
[10:03] <larsu> so all the mountains look tilte
[10:03] <larsu> *tilted
[12:58] <desrt> hello!
[12:58] <desrt> seb128: happy birthday :D
[13:00] <attente> seb128: happy birthday :)
[13:01] <desrt> seb128: we're all invited to your party tonight, right?
[13:13] <desrt> i think seb is already at the party
[13:22] <attente> desrt: does pixbuf loading require a mime-cache database available?
[13:23] <desrt> apparently yes
[13:23] <attente> why?
[13:23] <desrt> for pretty stupid reasons i think
[13:23] <attente> :(
[13:23] <desrt> the data required to do magic and extension-based identification of filetypes is encoded in the plugins and in the cache file for the plugins
[13:23] <desrt> but at some point someone casually modified pdf-pixbuf to use the GIO mimetype system instead
[13:24] <desrt> (which, indeed, requires a mime database)
[13:24] <attente> :<
[13:24] <desrt> could be fixed
[13:25] <desrt> find the patch that introduced the GIO dep and figure out why it was done, and consider reverting and/or changing it?
[13:25] <attente> is it recent?
[14:01] <desrt> it's newer than GIO :)
[14:18] <seb128> desrt, attenten thanks!
[14:19] <seb128> desrt, you can come for dinner if you want ;-)
[14:19] <desrt> lemme check trains
[14:20] <seb128> attente, the common desktop launcher should be taking care of the mimetype thing iirc?
[14:24] <desrt> seb128: seems that there is no trans-atlantic train with a good schedule.  perhaps next time :)
[14:24] <seb128> :-)
[14:24] <seb128> shame, but yeah let's see next time!
[14:24] <desrt> i'm officially a resident of the EU now, btw :)
[14:25] <desrt> so who knows... maybe next year indeed
[14:25] <attente> congrats!
[14:31] <seb128> welcome!
[14:33] <seb128> brb, session retart, intel driver sucking again
[14:55] <Sweet5hark> re
[14:56] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, back from Brno? how was the hackfest?
[14:56]  * Sweet5hark hugs laney for merging ubuntu-themes while I at the conference.
[14:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: lots of work, a few fires to fight, but nothing heart infact inducing, which is good. in general the project seems to be a very good shape, so we need to take care not to get sloppy ;)
[14:58] <seb128> :-)
[14:58] <seb128> reading the news was "fun"
[14:58] <Sweet5hark> aaaand: City of Rome announced it will migrate to LibreOffice. Also we will have the next conference tehre.
[14:59]  * Sweet5hark has libreoffice 5.2.1 building as snap on big bertha right now.
[14:59] <seb128> some picked up that openoffice is struggling and a good part of users just think that openoffice and libreoffice are the same thing and so that libreoffice is having issues
[15:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, the whole thing is hilarious. Why do we even code? People are aware of brands only anyway ... ;)
[15:01] <seb128> I've to admit I don't correct people when they say openoffice, I just mentaly translate
[15:01] <seb128> it's too complex to explain why it was forked, people don't understand/care about those details/politics
[15:03] <Sweet5hark> yeah, but bing translate silently "translating" libreoffice to openoffice made me a bit mad. That was the worst.
[15:03] <seb128> ahah
[15:04] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the best narrative is "libreoffice is the well maintained continuation of openoffice.org, while apache openoffice is something else that you dont have to care about". if and only if someone asks about details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12458268
[15:05] <Sweet5hark> seb128: also libreoffice currently has more former StarOffice/Sun/Oracle OOo developers than AOO ever had.
[15:06] <seb128> you are cute :p
[15:06] <seb128> to "normal" people openoffice is all they know
[15:06] <seb128> they don't know there is an "apache" openoffice
[15:06] <seb128> they just remember the name for the "equivalent of microsoft office that you don't have to pay for"
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: aye. but its hurting Open Source/Free Software as a whole, because the Windows crowd downloads that crap and sees it as all FLOSS can do ....
[15:07] <seb128> yeah :-/
[15:07] <seb128> I'm not saying it's not a problem; just that it's not easy to fix
[15:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, jimjag (Apache board) already suggested a reasonable fix: have the openoffice.org page point to libreoffice. Unfortunately the rest of his ideas had not so much basing in reality  ... http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201609.mbox/browser
[15:15] <Sweet5hark> eh, rather: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201609.mbox/%3C81029122-B6E8-4C72-A7AD-7B40E5A934ED%40jaguNET.com%3E
[16:13] <davmor2> cyphermox: you about dude?
[16:13] <cyphermox> yup
[16:14] <cyphermox> bad headache, but I'm around and working on ubuntu core things and verifying an SRU
[16:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: what can I do for you?
[16:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: installing yakkety on xps13 4k, I get a double header at the top I believe because of the huge a11y icon
[16:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: is this known?
[16:18] <willcooke> seb128, about still?
[16:22] <cyphermox> davmor2: not that I know
[16:39] <seb128> willcooke, yes
[16:39] <willcooke> seb128, I have an animal!
[16:40] <willcooke> It's a sort of birthday present for you
[16:40] <willcooke> it's not
[16:40] <willcooke> seb128, anyway, I will update the slideshow now and we can talk about the rest of it tomorrow
[16:41] <seb128> great
[16:41] <seb128> let's do that
[16:46] <davmor2> willcooke: is it this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qisaGTajtvk
[16:46] <davmor2> you know how seb128 that that one :)
[16:48] <seb128> lol
[16:50] <cyphermox> willcooke: awesome, looking forward to the slideshow update :)
[17:04] <davmor2> cyphermox, willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1622686
[17:11] <willcooke> TheMuso, might this be related to a11y profiles? ^
[17:11] <willcooke> The a11y icon is double size and is making the indicator panel double size too
[17:12]  * Sweet5hark has scored a 33c3 ticket! \o\ /o/ \o/
[17:15] <willcooke> cyphermox, thoughts on updating the screenshots from the slideshow with the correct 16.10 wallpaper?  Do we do that for non LTS releases usually?
[17:15] <willcooke> cos, ya know, I don't have the hours free to do it really
[17:16] <willcooke> if it's a must have, then OK, but if not - then suits be better :)
[17:16] <cyphermox> I don't know that I would update all the screenshots, as I recall most don't show the wallpaper
[17:16] <willcooke> there's a tiny bit showing around the edges
[17:16] <willcooke> I'll skip it for now
[17:16] <cyphermox> but I would typically do the first and last slides, which is just adding the wallpaper, and the image of the wallpaper with the animal
[17:16] <willcooke> cool, that's what I hoped you would say
[17:16] <cyphermox> especially if the software is pretty much the same, I wouldn't sweat over it
[17:17] <cyphermox> that is, unless you tell me the new wallpaper is vastly different from what we've had in the past?
[17:20] <ochosi> seb128: just a quick reminder (in case you're still around) https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/evince/add_toolbar_class/+merge/305423
[17:20] <ochosi> seb128: and now hf and enjoy your bday! ;)
[17:23] <seb128> ochosi, thanks, did that needed to go in today? it's probably going to be for tomorrow but still on my todolist don't worry
[17:28] <willcooke> cyphermox, any ideas... I can't run the slideshow test... https://pastebin.canonical.com/165296/
[17:28] <willcooke> the PyGI warnings are ok I think
[17:29] <cyphermox> sounds like it will need a little fix for that DynamicImporter thing to work correctly again?
[17:29] <cyphermox> willcooke: if you file a merge requests, I'll review it and fix it as soon as I'm done with my MIR reviews
[17:30] <willcooke> cyphermox, I installed this:  sudo apt-get install gir1.2-webkit-3.0
[17:30] <willcooke> and it works now
[17:30] <willcooke> sorry
[17:30] <cyphermox> oh, good
[17:30] <cyphermox> I was expecting the first error to be the issue, not the gir to be actually missing :)
[17:31] <willcooke> it's not a build dep it seems, but that's probably fine
[17:31] <cyphermox> it's probably just needed as a binary depends
[17:36] <willcooke> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-1610/+merge/305504
[17:36] <willcooke> Now with 100% more Yak
[17:40] <willcooke> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-1610/download/head:/welcome.png-20160322192447-zyqgro2a8i0ni47a-6/welcome.png
[17:40] <willcooke> seb128, ^
[17:52] <ochosi> seb128: no, no rush!
[17:52] <cyphermox> willcooke: what email do you want me to use for your commit?
[17:52] <cyphermox> ubuntu or canonical?
[17:52] <ochosi> seb128: since you already confirmed the general approach is ok that's enough for me
[18:02] <willcooke> cyphermox, will DM my email address
[18:43] <willcooke> calling it a day, night all
[18:56] <drab> hi, trying to track down a bug/behavior I don't understad in ubuntu desktop 16.04, hopefully this is the right channel
[18:56] <drab> with lightdm, I see a line /dev/sda1: clean before lightdm kicks in
[18:56] <drab> this is quite confusing/feels like an error for users not familiar with linux (and even for some who are)
[18:57] <drab> I don't understand why just that line (on tty7)... if it was the full output I'd expect to see more/the all thing, like if I start with quiet=false
[18:57] <drab> seeing all services and kernel messages as stuff is brought up
[18:58] <drab> instead I just get that line, sometimes two, and that's it, then ligthdm login manager shows up
[18:58] <drab> at the same time during boot I don't really see the plymouth screen
[18:58] <drab> (I see that during shutdown)
[18:59] <drab> so it's like there's some kind of situation where something finishes and something else hasn't started yet, like grub and plymouth give up or something, but lightdm/X isn't up yet
[19:06] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: winff FTBFS and seems to time out on libreoffice generating pdf's
[19:06] <elbrus> any idea?
[19:06] <elbrus> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/283037524/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.winff_1.5.3-7_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:07]  * elbrus was pointed to you at #ubuntu-motu by jbicha
[19:17] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: thats likely https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1616548 see https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?h=ubuntu-yakkety-5.2&id=28031ef15ac104122180669727c9420bcd51c147 show a likely workaround broken CUPS
[19:19] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: thus you need to set SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=true in the env for cups not stalling LO in an sbuild
[19:20] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: ok, but am I correct to say this is Ubuntu specific?
[19:21] <elbrus> In Debian, the build was OK (in pbuilder)
[19:22] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: yes, this is likely ubuntu specific. testbuilds up to libreoffice 5.2.0~rc4 were fine, then it broke, likely by a cups update.
[19:29] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: you might help triaging if you downgrade cups and retry. Using LibreOffices own build as testcase is annoying due to the buildtime. but with winff you might have found a good smaller testcase for our CUPS guys ...
[19:30] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: FWIW, "in Debian" is somewhat ambiguous, given the number of releases etc. it has. ;)
[19:32] <elbrus> "in Debian" I mean in unstable... I just uploaded the package several days ago
[19:32]  * elbrus is running a yakkety pbuild right now
[19:33] <elbrus> first without the fix (see if it reproduces here)
[19:33] <elbrus> if so, I will try with the env var work around
[19:35] <Sweet5hark> elbrus: FWIW, I couldnt repro that in a pbuilder, only in sbuild. I dont know exactly was the difference/root cause.
[19:37] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: I don't have an sbuild setup...
[19:38] <elbrus> I'll ask ginggs...
[19:38] <elbrus> or try in my ppa
[19:38] <elbrus> maybe that is smarter then
[19:39] <jbicha> winff built for me in a yakkety sbuild last week
[19:39] <elbrus> jbicha: ?
[19:40] <elbrus> it fails in launchpad multiple times
[19:40] <jbicha> yes I know
[19:40] <jbicha> I test built locally and it worked, but not in the launchpad builders
[19:40] <elbrus> jbicha: were you the one that also requested a retry?
[19:41] <jbicha> last week I did yes
[19:42]  * elbrus noticed that the retry was fresher than his own retry
[19:43] <elbrus> jbicha: you didn't try building it in a ppa did you?
[19:43] <jbicha> no
[19:43] <elbrus> well, I will try that tonight probably
[19:56] <elbrus> jbicha: seems to reproduce in MY pbuilder env....
[19:56] <elbrus> it's hanging currently
[19:56] <jbicha> good! ;)
[19:57] <elbrus> trying again with the CUPS env var
[20:15] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: with your fix, winff builds in my pbuilder env.... so seems like winff is a smaller testcase for the issue
[20:20] <ricotz> elbrus, jbicha, it likely works if the host system has a running cups instance
[20:21] <jbicha> ricotz: good evening, do you think we should sync gobject-introspection 1.49 to match our glib 2.49?
[20:27] <ricotz> jbicha, absolutely! while it wasn't done in the recent releases for some reason
[20:27] <jbicha> yeah, it looks like it stopped happening around utopic
[20:27] <ricotz> sync as in merge if this non-gobject stuff is still needed
[20:29] <elbrus> Sweet5hark: thanks a lot, I now have a successful build in my PPA. Will upload to Ubuntu Yakkety shortly
[20:46] <elbrus> winff is fixed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/winff/1.5.3-7ubuntu1/+build/10742736