[06:21] <flocculant> seb128: morning :) please don't shoot the messenger, ochosi said you'd be his go to guy for this, seems there is an issue with advanced partitioning on the installer - ochosi has done an mp for it, bug 1622258
[06:23] <seb128> hey flocculant, ubiquity is rather cyphermox's
[06:24] <flocculant> seb128: ok - I usually hassle cypher mox too - but this is more a visual thing (perhaps)
[06:25] <flocculant> anyway - he'll see the pingeventually :)
[06:25] <seb128> yeah, but it's a trivial change and it's an ubiquity upload
[06:25] <seb128> right
[06:25] <flocculant> aah ok - yea it is an ubiquity upload for sure
[06:25] <seb128> let's see with him, the change is fine it's just that he might have other ubiquity changes pending and he's familiar with the package workflow where I'm not
[06:25] <flocculant> right - thanks :)
[06:26] <seb128> yw!
[06:26] <flocculant> I'll try and catch him later today - I assume he's not on holiday
[06:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[06:48] <om26er> Hi! Is there a python API to add a ppa ? add-apt-repository through python ?
[06:54] <pitti> om26er: look at /usr/bin/add-apt-repository, it's a small python CLI around softwareproperties.SoftwareProperties
[06:56] <om26er> pitti, thanks will take a look into that.
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <seb128> hey pitti, sorry didn't see you morning earlier
[08:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:01] <seb128> how are you?
[08:01] <willcooke> Preparing for a hot day :)
[08:01] <willcooke> It's supposed to get up to 30 again today
[08:01] <willcooke> :/
[08:02] <seb128> yeah, we have a few more of those coming here as well
[08:02] <pitti> I got up early too, much better to work while it's still cool
[08:02] <seb128> then it drops to 17°C this w.e
[08:44] <seb128> happyaron, hey, what's the status of the NM update?
[08:49] <happyaron> seb128: it's in git for yakkety, not yet done for xenial
[08:49] <seb128> happyaron, oh, ok ... did I miss a ping/email about that?
[08:50] <happyaron> seb128: also I'm wondering how to deal with a problem that user still claim reproducible but I'm not able to (in previous SRU)
[08:50] <seb128> which one?
[08:50] <happyaron> guess missing a ping
[08:50] <happyaron> let me find it
[08:51] <happyaron> seb128: bug 1575614, task for n-m
[09:02] <seb128> davmor2, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/283964516/doubleheader.jpg ... is that on an hidpi system? is that specific to those?
[09:04] <davmor2> seb128: no idea I was going to try in a vm latter to check out low dpi but I actually think it is just the a11y icon is the wrong one to be honest I just added that 4k incase it was related to that too
[09:04] <seb128> I just tried on my laptop in virtualbox and don't see the issue
[09:08] <duflu> seb128: The double panel looks like a texture coordinate mistake in Unity7.
[09:09] <duflu> Oh it's not Unity7
[09:09] <seb128> right
[09:09] <duflu> Heh
[09:09] <seb128> it's ubiquity install only mode
[09:09] <seb128> and the big icon is wrong
[09:10] <duflu> Yeah
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> seb128, I've run into this bug in LO when using GTK3.
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/136
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme/issues/298
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/426
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/552
[09:12] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:12] <seb128> "this bug" -> stack of urls
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> They are references to the same issue.
[09:12] <seb128> urls about themes
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> I'll explain :-)
[09:12] <seb128> themes which aren't ours
[09:13] <seb128> yes please
[09:13] <seb128> better to start by explaining rather than dumping a stack of github theme urls
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> LibreOffice when using GTK3 (default in Ubuntu 16.10) is putting a white border around the tool bars.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> This can't be styled by using LO classes :-(
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> Wondered if you'd run in to it yet?
[09:14] <seb128> is that what Sweet5hark1 is working on with https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu-themes/libreoffice-toolbars ?
[09:14] <seb128> bug #1580537
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Thanks.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> I'll follow up there :-)
[09:14] <seb128> wait
[09:14] <seb128> could be bug #1619442 as well
[09:15] <seb128> but bottom line is
[09:15] <seb128> libreoffice -> Sweet5hark1
[09:20] <seb128> happyaron, that n-m bug, with what files did you try? only .p12 ones?
[09:20] <seb128> happyaron, the upstream bug was about those and the comments suggest it's fixed for them but not for other formats like .pem
[09:26] <seb128> happyaron, otherwise I would recommend just renaming the bug/stating it fixed the .p12 case and to open a new bug for remaining issues and not block the SRU on that with the rational that it's fixing some of the issues and creating no regressions
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Sorry. Was in a meeting.
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> #1580537 is not the issue.
[09:28] <flexiondotorg> I've already added a similar style for Ubuntu MATE.
[09:28] <seb128> flexiondotorg, talk to Sweet5hark1
[09:28] <flexiondotorg> Will do.
[11:02] <jibel> willcooke, is it known that the dash is not starting in an unity8 session?
[11:05] <willcooke> jibel, starting automatically, or not starting at all?
[11:05] <willcooke> jibel, if you click on the BFB does it load?
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, it starts but it's a black screen with a scopes icon
[11:06] <jibel> kernel: QDBusConnection[3929]: segfault at 7f6a1cbf0220  is probably not a good sign
[11:06] <willcooke> jibel, hmm, wfm.
[11:06] <jibel> system-settings is blank
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, on Y?
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, vigo reproduces the same problem
[11:06] <willcooke> jibel, yes
[11:07] <willcooke> jibel, you might need the overlay PPA
[11:07] <jibel> willcooke, on yakkety?
[11:07] <jibel> you won't make me do that :)
[11:07] <willcooke> oh, right yeah, not then
[11:07] <willcooke> Saviq, ^
[11:07] <jibel> willcooke, are you on yakkety? ;)
[11:07] <willcooke> jibel, yeah
[11:08] <jibel> it's a unity8-dash crash
[11:08] <Saviq> jibel, willcooke, bug #1620934
[11:09] <willcooke> thanks Saviq
[11:09] <jibel> Saviq, thanks
[11:23] <Trevinho> tedg, seb128: any news in the unity7 systemd landing?
[11:47] <seb128> Trevinho, don't ask me, I've nothing to do with it, I though you were the one having it in a silo?
[12:31] <Trevinho> seb128: I know, but you requested some changes from Ted... So I was wondering if something happened
[12:32] <seb128> Trevinho, right, I mostly asked about those but I didn't see him reply/comment
[13:31] <tedg> seb128: Oh, I must have missed them, sorry.
[13:31]  * tedg looks
[13:32] <seb128> hey tedg, I commented on IRC, not on the mp, maybe I should have done that
[13:33] <tedg> seb128: Ah, okay. Were they with the libindicator MR?
[13:33] <seb128> tedg, iirc my comment was that indicator-common was a poor name if the binary is not for common files but for the systemd unit only
[13:33] <seb128> better to use indicator-systemd
[13:33] <seb128> or similar
[13:34] <ogra_> indicator-ted
[13:34] <seb128> or indicator-prejob
[13:34] <tedg> seb128: Ah, we've been talking about adding different "indicator things" in a common place but have had no place for it. So I was just starting one, I don't expect it to be just the systemd target long term.
[13:34]  * seb128 slaps ogra_
[13:34]  * ogra_ grins
[13:34] <seb128> tedg, then the description is confusing
[13:34] <tedg> seb128: K, I'll update it
[13:34] <seb128> thanks
[13:35] <seb128> in fact I already had commented saying that on the mp
[13:35] <seb128> tedg, Trevinho, I don't think the description thing is important/a blocker for landing so feel free to not block on that
[13:36] <seb128> it's just that the -common includes only the systemd target so I was wondering if it's really a -common
[13:36] <seb128> if it's meant to be fine, just land it
[13:36] <Trevinho> seb128: so... I can rebuild everything if you ted change the names (and I can update the unity branch too)
[13:37] <Trevinho> seb128: once it's done I?m fine to land, but we need to you for publishing it
[13:37] <tedg> I updated the description, but I think we're gonna keep the package name the same.
[13:37] <tedg> I expect we'll have other stuff for it.
[13:38] <seb128> k, acked
[13:38] <seb128> Trevinho, let me know if there is a button I should press next
[13:39] <tedg> Is Mate going GTK3?
[13:39] <Trevinho> tedg: ok, let's keep that common, so we don't have to update unity too
[13:39]  * tedg really wants to kill that dual GTK build
[13:39] <Trevinho> tedg: mate should be mostly gtk3 nowadays
[13:40] <Trevinho> muktupavels: ^
[13:58] <muktupavels> Trevinho: ?
[13:58] <Trevinho> muktupavels: see tedg's question about gtk2/3
[14:00] <muktupavels> about MATE?
[14:03] <muktupavels> Trevinho: I am not MATE developer... I don't know if they have switched to GTK+ 3.
[14:12] <seb128> Trevinho, you probably want to ask to flexiondotorg
[14:13] <flexiondotorg> tedg, Yes, MATE in Yakkety is GTK3+ only.
[14:13] <tedg> Cool, so probably too late for Yakkety, but we should drop GTK2 then in Z*
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> tedg, Drop GTK2 from what?
[14:19] <tedg> flexiondotorg: libindicator
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> Ah, right.
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> Only Lubuntu using/needing it I think now.
[14:19] <tedg> It has a kinda crazy dual build.
[14:20] <tedg> I thought they switched to Qt?
[14:20] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, How is your switch to LXQt coming along?
[14:20] <flexiondotorg> tedg, Not as of 16.10 Beta 1 they hadn't.
[14:30] <pitti> oh, no Laney today
[14:31] <seb128> he's surfing in Portugal this week
[14:31] <pitti> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trun
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, ^
[14:31] <pitti> that's what unity-gtk-module says
[14:31] <pitti> but that's wrong; does anyone happen to know the real branch?
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: slacker :-)
[14:31] <seb128> indeed!
[14:31]  * pitti wants to fix bug 1618886
[14:31] <seb128> once he's back he gets to fix all the bugs we are going to assign to him!
[14:32] <seb128> tedg, attente, ^ do you know?
[14:32] <pitti> oh, nevermind -- it seems https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.15.04 is actually right
[14:32] <pitti> that's where Laney committed to, anyway
[14:32] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.15.04
[14:32] <seb128> right
[14:32] <pitti> "You cannot upload to this branch" -- agh!
[14:32] <seb128> haha
[14:33] <seb128> yeah, you are not cool enough to play with indicators!
[14:33] <pitti> someone please add core-dev to that..
[14:33] <seb128> tedg, ^
[14:33]  * tedg doesn't trust core-dev they have root on my machine!
[14:34] <pitti> tedg: I suggest you move to Fedora then :)
[14:34] <pitti> TGIF! (or not, bwah!)
[14:34] <tedg> pitti: invited
[14:41] <pitti> tedg: cheers! I'll put up an MP for review anyway
[14:41] <pitti> (an admin still needs to approve the invite)
[15:04] <pitti> tedg: if you have a minute, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity-gtk-module/env-race/+merge/305613 please?  should be straightforward
[15:12] <Trevinho> seb128: when you want you can hit publish https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839
[15:13] <Trevinho> pitti: but is that enough? I mean, now that unity7 is going to use systemd (see silo above) I don't find that to be really racy... The only problem is that is not "stopped" on graphics environment
[15:13] <Trevinho> stop
[15:13] <tedg> pitti: Looks good to me.
[15:21] <pitti> tedg: cheers; so I'll now figure out how to land through bileto :) (about time..)
[15:21] <pitti> tedg: btw, is there still some blocker for your indicators landing other than landing unity? something I can help unblock?
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, "Publish failed: Pending binary packages"
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, some binaries are not published yet, need to retry later
[15:23] <Trevinho> seb128: I guess they're still publishing... Sorry I just reacted to the bileto change
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: sorry for being n00b and lazynet; I created https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1941
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: is there anything else for me to do until builds, britney, tests etc. start?
[15:25] <seb128> pitti, click "build"?
[15:25] <pitti> oh, these are buttons -- thanks
[15:25] <seb128> yw!
[15:26] <pitti> Trevinho: I added a task for that "unit stop when session crashes" part, that's not in unity-gtk-session
[15:27] <pitti> Trevinho: indeed, it's less of a problem once unity7 gets converted, and no problem at all once we are completely done, but IMHO it's still cleaner/safer that way until we actually land it
[15:27] <Trevinho> pitti: it's landing like... now? :-)
[15:27] <Trevinho> pitti: at least... waiting for paackages to be published
[15:27] <pitti> Trevinho: ooh! is it? does that need the indicators too, or can unity land separately?
[15:28]  * pitti hugs Trevinho
[15:28] <Trevinho> pitti: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839
[15:28] <Trevinho> pitti: i wanted to land that for weeeks, but.... it took more than expected
[15:28] <pitti> Trevinho: I wasn't sure if it needs to go in lockstep with https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710
[15:29] <willcooke> ding din#
[15:29] <willcooke> it's meeting time
[15:29] <seb128> wooot
[15:29] <willcooke> ha
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2016-09-13
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 13 15:30:15 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (hols), laney (hols), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (sick)
[15:30] <happyaron> hey
[15:31] <tedg> pitti: No, I think just unity
[15:31] <tedg> Oops, sorry to interrupt
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:31]  * happyaron is still gathering what he did last week
[15:32] <qengho> Hello my pretties.
[15:33] <willcooke> qengho, nmap snap worked for that bloke as well.
[15:33] <willcooke> anyway, back to the topic in hand....
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> humm, no andyrock?  Let's come back to him.
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey, still fixing the gnome-builder snap: http://attente.ca/gnome-builder_3.21.91_amd64.snap (384 MB)
[15:35] <attente> it launches now, but can't seem to actually build a project with it yet though, and it's still --devmode only
[15:35] <attente> also going to look into gnome-terminal as a replacement as the default u8 terminal
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> attente, looks like we're going to be pushing for Ubuntu Terminal in to main, but it would still be good to knock some of the bugs out of the gtk mir option anyway
[15:36] <attente> ok
[15:36] <willcooke> attente, press on per the plan, and I'll keep you updated
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> hello
[15:36] <desrt> sorry -- got busy and didn't prepare my notes (forgot about meeting)
[15:37] <desrt> was a pretty busy week of pings, mostly.  progressed the dconf work, but not lots.
[15:37] <desrt> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thx desrt
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dg
[15:37] <willcooke> oh, dgadomski is on hols
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> helllo
[15:37] <FJKong> fcitx-qimpanel : discuss to add feature of ping back to qimpanel
[15:37] <FJKong> sogou IM bug tracing :
[15:37] <FJKong> * can't switch IM by hot key binding.
[15:37] <FJKong> * can't swith to sogou to type under FoxitReader
[15:38] <FJKong> little time of snap on PI
[15:38] <FJKong> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <happyaron> 1. libxml2 python3 package added
[15:38] <happyaron> 2. fixed opencc2 package for rime
[15:38] <happyaron> 3. n-m 1.2.4 for yakkey, extensive dns-manager patch rebase
[15:38] <happyaron> 4. ubuntukylin-wallpapers, not finished yet
[15:38] <happyaron> 5. Ubuntu user (in China) statistic information discussion with Sogou & NUDT
[15:38] <happyaron> EOF
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:38] <qengho> * Still awaiting Firefox++ for quota exhaustion in one Google API.
[15:38] <qengho> * Testing Chromium 53. Fixing High-DPI bug. Maybe supporting ARM64 from now on.
[15:38] <qengho> * Some snap testing. Ongoing.
[15:38] <qengho> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:39] <seb128> • yakkety testing/triaging/bugs fixing
[15:39] <seb128> • sponsoring
[15:39] <seb128> • some NEW reviews
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[15:39] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:40] <seb128> oh, also unity8 mirs reviews
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> - libreoffice conference
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> - annual board and staff meetings
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> - build and uploaded 5.2.1 as snap (still waiting for review when I last checked)
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:40] <willcooke> nice work on the snap getting built quickly
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:40] <willcooke> * Got flights for sprint booked.
[15:40] <willcooke> * Helped partially resolve bug 1580882 by suggesting to folks to try the latest alsa driver daily snapshot packages. Folks asked about trying to backport the commit that fixes things, but without access to hardware that I can reproduce this with, I think it may be easier to mark this fixed once Xenial has the yakkety kernel.
[15:40] <willcooke> * Work ongoing to try and get Orca speaking in oem-config... Seems to work fine with the Mate version, but not with the vanilla Ubuntu image.
[15:40] <willcooke> * Assigned bug 1574324 to Simon, since he wrote the patches that are breaking thigns for people, since I don't really understand the code and I don't have hardware that I can reproduce this bug with to try and experiment.
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Continued bug fixing on cups-browsed:
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Let all queues pointing to remote CUPS printers have a local PPD file so that the options appear in the print dialogs and printer setup tools can even modify the defaults and the modifications get saved for the next cups-browsed sessions.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Make load-balancing printer clustering also work correctly with remote printers broadcasted by the legacy CUPS method (not by Bonjour).
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Shortened the IPP access timeouts so that cups-browsed does not hang so long on shutdown if a remote server gets inaccessible.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Let the implicitclass backend repeat the job only after a delay when it fails to send the data to the remote printer.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Small fixes.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>  - Bugs.
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Enabled Xdnd tests in unity7
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Prepared some fixes for the shortcut view not being properly hidden
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Updated unity7 systemd branch with new fixes
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Fix a potential crash in unity7 launcher
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Fixed fake indicators model for unity8 tests
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Porting unity8 menu items to ListItemLayout's
[15:43] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:43] <Trevinho> (took longer cause the laptop suspended just before because of drained battery :-P)
[15:44] <willcooke> :))
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:44] <willcooke> about?
[15:44] <willcooke> guess not.
[15:44] <willcooke> andyrock, please let me have your update via email
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic aob
[15:45] <willcooke> seb128, can we do another status review tomorrow for the MIRs.  I'm starting to get twitchy. :)
[15:45] <willcooke> I'll take a look through, but just a quick sync up would be good
[15:45] <seb128> willcooke, I'm reviewing those atm
[15:45] <willcooke> ah, nice!
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:45] <seb128> willcooke, did you get any status update from robert?
[15:45] <willcooke> let's sync tomorrow
[15:45] <willcooke> seb128, he's off sick
[15:45] <seb128> wonder if I didn't see it in the backlog
[15:46] <seb128> oh, ok
[15:46] <seb128> was the whole week off?
[15:46] <seb128> I hope he's ok
[15:46] <willcooke> no he's off sick atm, so couldnt do his report
[15:46] <seb128> ah
[15:46] <seb128> makes sense
[15:46] <seb128> so no news about that g-s landing I guess :-/
[15:46] <seb128> anyway, no need to keep the meeting going for that
[15:46] <willcooke> It's waiting MIR
[15:46] <willcooke> oh, sorry
[15:47] <willcooke> wrong thing
[15:47] <willcooke> Mascot...
[15:47] <willcooke> seb128, do you know if I need to put it somewhere other than in the slideshow?
[15:47] <seb128> not wrong thing, I think he wanted libsnapd in to upload
[15:47] <willcooke> ah yeah
[15:47] <seb128> wallpaper and slideshows, I think that's it
[15:47] <willcooke> oki cool
[15:47] <willcooke> anyone got anything else?
[15:47] <seb128> talk to the documentation team/Gunnar
[15:48] <willcooke> ack
[15:48] <seb128> for the yelp index
[15:48] <willcooke> oki, let's wrap.  Thanks all
[15:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 15:48:48 2016 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-13-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <seb128> thanks
[15:50] <jbicha> I think we ought to decide whether to revert fonts-liberation to version 1 like Debian did https://bugs.debian.org/835273
[15:50] <jbicha> do I talk to gunnarhj about that? or someone else?
[15:51] <seb128> who did the update?
[15:52] <seb128> but yeah, Gunnar is probably a good person to talk to about that one
[15:53] <jbicha> the update was done by auto-sync but Debian reverted a week after import freeze
[15:55] <jbicha> willcooke: is the slideshow your dept now? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-marketing/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-1610/+merge/305578
[15:55] <willcooke> jibel, not really.  I just do the Ubuntu updates, cyphermox does the real work
[15:56] <jbicha> ok
[15:58] <attente> anyone would happen to know an easy way to get autotools to use a custom prefix at runtime?
[16:00] <seb128> attente, autotools are a buildtime tool I don't think they have an impact on runtime?
[16:01] <seb128> said differently I don't think you can
[16:01] <desrt> attente: --prefix and DESTDIR
[16:01] <attente> seb128: the problem here is that gnome-builder needs them
[16:01] <desrt> it's really all you have
[16:01] <attente> they are actual runtime depends
[16:01] <seb128> "them"?
[16:01] <attente> the autotools
[16:01] <desrt> ohh.
[16:01] <desrt> you have autotools themselves installed in a weird prefix?
[16:01] <attente> like i can jhbuild bootstrap them
[16:01] <seb128> I misunderstood your question
[16:02] <desrt> that ought to 'just work'
[16:02] <seb128> desrt apparently did as well
[16:02] <desrt> it's a bit of an odd question
[16:02] <seb128> but yeah, just append the other dir to your path?
[16:02] <desrt> bootstrapping autotools is a massive recipe for disaster
[16:02] <seb128> so that version is found first?
[16:02] <attente> so here's the situation
[16:02] <desrt> also: taking a autotools .deb and moving it into a snapped world is just not gonna work at all
[16:02] <attente> desrt: yes, exactly
[16:03] <desrt> don't do that :)
[16:03] <desrt> you'd be better off bootstrapping it
[16:03] <desrt> but here's the rub: don't
[16:03] <attente> so adding it to stage-packages is impossible
[16:03] <attente> and bootstrapping it is a disaster
[16:03] <desrt> a snapped gnome-builder is almost useless, and for exactly the same reason as bootstrapping autotools is a recipe for much pain: you need deps to build software, and there is not going to be enough of them in your virtual world
[16:04] <desrt> every single person who wants to use gnome-builder to do more than hello world is going to need libsomething-dev, which will not be in your snap
[16:04] <attente> maybe i should've looked at another module to snap instead :/
[16:04] <desrt> gnome-builder is a weird case.  it really ought to have read-only access to all of /usr/include /usr/share and /usr/lib
[16:05] <desrt> in which case you should just have autotools installed there
[16:05] <attente> right
[16:05] <desrt> i know that's not really in the spirit of how snaps work, but development tools are sort of a different story...
[16:05] <desrt> even on macos, installing xcode means that you get a bunch of extra stuff appearing in this new directory called /usr, for example
[16:05] <attente> maybe we need a new interface for snapped devtools
[16:06] <desrt> in general, i think you're sort of on to the right idea here: don't try to snap gnome-builder yet
[16:06] <desrt> it's far far better for people to jhbuild that
[16:06] <desrt> and, indeed, the target market for gnome-builder is exactly the sort of people who won't mind as much to get their hands dirty with jhbuild
[16:08] <attente> yeah. it's a pity though. it seems to mostly work with the exception of the actual project building
[16:08] <desrt> lol.
[16:08] <desrt> "it does everything, except for that thing that it was designed to do!"
[16:08] <attente> :P
[16:08] <desrt> "...sure looks pretty, tho"
[16:10] <jbicha> we'll just have to call it something other than Builder?
[16:11] <desrt> it's still a very nice text editor :)
[17:17] <Trevinho> pitti: I'm confused... Are you still using unity-gtk-module under upstart also if we land unity7 systemd support?
[17:25] <seb128> calling it a day, have a nice evening desktopers
[17:31] <willcooke> night seb128
[17:50] <willcooke> quittin time here too.  Night all
[18:25] <pitti> Trevinho: we still have a lot of upstart jobs in the session that aren't ported yet; I can't say for sure that none of them use $GTK_MODULES
[21:26] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: we're shooting for 17.04
[21:26] <flexiondotorg> OK
[21:26] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: otherwise, if you guys are waiting on Lubuntu to drop something, email gilir@ubuntu.com and CC lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[21:27] <flexiondotorg> Will do. Thanks tsimonq2
[21:28] <tsimonq2> no problem flexiondotorg :)