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viewer|87556Has anyone else had issues with Update Manager in 16.04?  I don't get notifications about updates anymore and when I open Update Manager I'm always told everything's up to date until I manually check for updates.01:20
Zrenviewer|87556, I think Discover does an apt update whenever it's opened, or _something_ is blocking it before showing the count.01:27
viewer|87556Do you know if this is a known issue?01:29
viewer|87556I saw an old bug but it looks like it's been closed01:29
dbromanyone here02:43
valorieyes?02:44
viewer|87556Yes02:44
dbromtrying to setup vhost on ubuntu02:45
dbromi have setup 000-defaulto to have more then one port  but its not working02:45
valoriedbrom: you may get an answer here, however we generally handle kubuntu questions02:46
valorieyou are likely to get more answers in #ubuntu02:46
dbromtrying apache also nothing there yet02:47
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Gotoleiwhere's the display-brightness icon in the file system?03:56
Gotoleitrying to script up some notifications, and it doesn't seem to be in the icons folder03:57
Gotolei...and it doesn't show in search either04:06
ShogootHi all. I got a multiscreen setup but Plasms option config dont let med chose any "portrait" mode, just rotation. Is there a way around this?06:17
ShogootHi all. I got a multiscreen setup but Plasms option config dont let med chose any "portrait" mode, just rotation. Is there a way around this?06:22
SporkWitchwhat do you mean "portrait mode"?  It's just an aspect ratio, just set the desired resolution06:23
SporkWitchalso don't repeat your question when there's nothing else in the scroll, not even any joins or parts; someone will either see it and answer or they won't, repeating yourself right next to yourself does nothing beneficial.06:24
ShogootI use this screen as to mi IDE, and "portrait" allows me to se cod e verticaly.06:24
ShogootI know i just was kopying to another channel and hit enter by error06:25
SporkWitchand does it not let you set the correct resolution for the display?06:25
Shogootnot that i can see. I se06:26
Shogootdisplay: rotation clockwise rotation 90 degress etc06:26
SporkWitchi didn't ask about rotation, i asked about resolution06:27
SporkWitchknow the difference between a 1920x1080 monitor in landscape mode, and the same monitor in portrait mode?06:28
Shogooti dont understand why you ask about resoultion :) im not saying that reso is a peroblem. i got is at 1920x whatever for all screens as it shoiuld be :)06:28
SporkWitchthe latter isn't 1920x1080, it's 1080x1920; see if it lets you set that as a resolution06:28
Shogootah... i understand now.06:28
Shogootlet me check.06:28
SporkWitchlike i said, protrait mode isn't anything epecial, it just refers to an aspect ratio with height being the long dimension06:29
SporkWitchso you don't need a special setting, just set the resolution accordingly06:29
hateballShogoot: are you using kubuntu backports ppa?06:29
hateballYou really should if you use multimonitor06:29
Shogooti just installed my first ever kubuntu :)06:30
Shogootthe bar goes grom 600x800 to 19291080 and no 1080x1920 option06:30
SporkWitchnow if the monitor in question is one of those rotating ones that automatically swaps between 16:9 and 9:16, that may require more work.  I've never owned one or seen one outside of a store, so i've never had to deal with it.  I would assume it'd require sme additional software support, but for that you'd just have to google.06:31
Shogootwhat does that backport give me?06:31
SporkWitch(search for the model with some strings like 'change aspect ratio')06:31
SporkWitchbackports will give you a more recent version of KDE06:31
SporkWitchit fixes some of the stuff they broke06:31
Shogootill se into it.06:32
hateballShogoot: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade06:33
hateballShogoot: otherwise you may lose settings for your monitors, and have panels going to the wrong one etc etc06:33
hateballIt still happens. Just less frequently.06:34
Shogootupdateing06:38
Shogootflash plugin?  for real? :)06:39
Shogooti see it beeing downloaded06:39
Shogootbackport ppa and screenresolution is stil not working for me.07:13
SmurphyHmmm... Why is the "Settings -> Manage Siee Scripts" in KMail not working anymore ?07:14
Guest97201Good morning07:14
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Shogoothateball: any suggestions?07:17
hateballShogoot: is the backports ppa not working?07:17
hateballShogoot: or is the screen rotation bit not working, even after upgrading?07:17
Shogootthe ppa is fine, ut solving my multiple monitor problem is not07:18
hateballRight07:18
hateballShogoot: what gpu/driver are you using?07:18
Shogootnvidia 37607:18
Shogoothateball: sorry nvidia-36707:21
Shogootlates from official linux nvida driver for my Quadro 4000M card07:21
Shogootargh. sooht. i got to work a bit, ill be back alter :)07:22
konradosMorning :)07:42
konradosThis is how some apps look like on my desktop after installing KDE5 - https://postimg.org/image/ogszzwqn7/ I mean black characters on almost black background, and those buttons which I believe should contain some text. When I changed theme to a lighter one, I had white letters on almost white background o.O And I can't find where can I change these details.07:50
hateballkonrados: looks like some broken theme settings08:00
hateballkonrados: does things work properly if you use a default look and feel like breeze dark ?08:00
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ChetManlyI have two screens, one monitor and one hdmi tv, I recently took the nvidia card out of the box, leaving me with ati onboard. When the tv shuts off my monitor flickers and whatever but when I turn the tv back on there is no detection until I select display from 'system-settings'08:02
konradosI use the default breeze dark,  hateball. I'm not really concerned on this black and dark grey text, but why is the text on buttons missing?08:02
ChetManlydriver manager says there is no properitary drivers to install08:03
konrados*I'm not concerned about this black text on dark gray background issue (and that's because it happens only in a few apps I use rarely)08:03
hateballChetManly: there's no proprietary drivers to install for AMD these days08:04
ChetManlyoh?08:04
hateballwell, there is amdgpu-pro but that's only for the latest chipsets and I think it's not-awesome08:04
ChetManlyall opensource?08:04
hateballChetManly: yes, since 16.04 amdgpu is used in favor or fglrx08:04
hateballor radeon if it is a legacy device08:04
ChetManlyhow do I tell?08:05
hateballChetManly: "lspci -k"08:06
hateballlook for the VGA parts08:06
ChetManlyor grep ati and dont think im being smart by saying that, I remember a little here and there lol08:07
ChetManlyAMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]08:07
hateballChetManly: if you just grep you dont get the line telling you which kernel module is being used08:08
ChetManly Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp08:09
hateballthat's not a VGA driver08:09
ChetManlyyes ignore me for a moment ..sigh08:10
ChetManlyradeon08:10
ChetManlyI really need to change my theme its late and its too bright08:11
ChetManlyok that should be better08:14
ChetManlyok so I get very little horizontal tearing on my tv with this setup, what gives?08:15
ChetManlyIM on 14.04.5 btw08:15
hateballChetManly: oh08:16
ChetManlya good nvidia card vs onboard ati?08:16
hateballChetManly: well in 14.04 fglrx still exists, but I dunno how well it works08:16
hateballI have avoided AMD gpu for a decade+08:16
hateballnvidia "just works"08:16
ChetManlyme too but I was suprised with these results08:16
hateball(except if the chipset is very new and you need to boot nomodeset until you can install the blob)08:17
ChetManlyalways plug in a nvidia whether there is onboard or not08:17
ChetManlyI always thought the tearing was the result of differing resolution on each screen08:18
hateballChetManly: so you're saying you had tearing with nvidia, but not with amd?08:19
ChetManlymonitor is 1440x900 and tv is 108008:19
ChetManlyyes I sure am08:19
hateballwell, nvidia has some funky issues with tearing but they are for the most part fixable08:19
ChetManlyfresh install prior to ripping the nvidia card out08:19
ChetManlyI always meant to test the onboard just never got around to it08:20
ChetManlyI try to stay away from the blobs regardless08:21
ChetManlyopensource is pretty decent these days although im not sure how much more this onboard would do08:22
ChetManlycant remember my other question now ...08:23
hateballopen source drivers are ok unless you do any gaming or have a 9xx+ nvidia chipset08:26
acheronukwith no reclocking for this card, nouveau it is not an option here08:27
ChetManlyyouu on 16.04?08:27
konradosI have a lot of issues, since I installed the newest ubuntu.... I noticed the windows open slowly, htop says I have two plasma processes, one of them using > 150% of CPU. Then there is xorg process using > 60% of CPU o.O what do I do about it?08:28
hateballkonrados: did you enable the backports ppa?08:29
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konradosI don't even know what's that, hateball08:29
hateballoh :D08:30
hateballkonrados: 16.04 isnt very... stable, sadly. But the backports ppa fixes much !08:30
hateballkonrados: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade08:30
konradossec...08:31
konradosI've resetted plasmashell it was 3 minutes ago, and it still didn't finish rebooting, I want to wait for it to finish before installing that08:33
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ChetManlyhateball: yes 16.04 isnt good at all08:46
ChetManlyim running majaro in a VM to see what newer kde is like08:46
ChetManlymanjaro*08:47
hateball16.10 will hopefully bring much needed stability08:47
hateballwith updated Qt and kde frameworks et al08:47
ChetManlylots of crazy decisions, systemd, realtiviely new DE, control panel mucked with even more, horrible display manager and removed kdm...08:50
ChetManlyill be on 14 for awhile08:51
hateballI do like sddm more than kdm, fwiw08:53
ChetManlywhat do you like ?08:53
hateballand I only use krunner to get into options, no clicking around the various kcms08:53
hateballChetManly: It just feels snappier08:53
hateballfor whatever few seconds it is used08:54
ChetManlymultiscreen doesnt work08:54
hateballthat's correct08:54
ChetManlywell work right08:54
ChetManlywhat do you mean kcms08:55
hateballI mean clicking around in the system settings08:55
hateballrather than using krunner to go to the relevant thing at once08:56
ChetManlyahh08:56
hateballChetManly: have you tried setting your resolution using xrandr directly rather than using kscreen?08:56
ChetManlyno08:57
ChetManlyI just thought it to be weird for it to not auto detect the tv08:58
ChetManlythe nvidia card just "held" the tvs place, no screen flicker08:58
ChetManlydoes that make sense?08:59
ChetManlyan extended desktop appears only after clicking the display option in system settings09:00
ChetManlyI mean just selecting the option not pressing the button or pressing detect displays or some such thing09:02
ChetManlyits weird it must probe the tvs autmatically09:02
hateballwell it could very well not like to fetch the EDID from the TV09:03
hateballbut it should detect *something* at any rate09:03
hateballeven if it would report wrong size etc09:03
ChetManlyyes it works correctly09:03
ChetManlyit just needs a kick in the ass to enable tv out I guess youd call it09:04
ChetManlyor is this normal behavior?09:04
konradoshateball, - it ended with: processing package man-db (2.7.5-1).. errors: /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop_4%3a5.6.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What does it mean? p.s. I translated a few words to English, so it's not exactly the original output09:05
ChetManlyits weird now having to turn on the tv and then select system settings to get it to pop on09:05
ChetManlyused to just" be on" when you turned the tv on before09:07
ChetManlyis there a way besides using some old xorg.conf shit to make this a thing again?09:07
ChetManlyship* forgot i was in this channel09:08
hateballChetManly: no idea about 14.04 here09:08
hateballkonrados: hmm, try and "sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt full-upgrade"09:10
ChetManlyhateball: isnt xrandr ""dynamic09:10
hateballChetManly: What do you mean?09:10
ChetManlylike its settings are on the fly09:10
hateballChetManly: on boot, yes09:10
hateballor well, whenever you run it09:10
ChetManlyso one couldnt tell it to say a particular wat09:11
ChetManlyway*09:11
hateballChetManly: hmm?09:11
hateball!info kscreen trusty09:12
ubottukscreen (source: kscreen): KDE monitor hotplug and screen handling. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.2.1-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 126 kB, installed size 846 kB09:12
ChetManlyIf I leave kscreen on and turn the tv on ...nothing09:18
ChetManlybut it recognizes when you turn it off?09:18
ChetManlyif I type xrandr or kscreen-console in terminal the tv pops on09:19
snypzhello all09:22
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konradoshateball - thank you, it helped much, but not entirely I think. i.e. now everything is much faster, but still... I have two "plasmashell --shut-up" processes and they use around 80% (in summary) of CPU (I have four cores) - is this normal?09:50
ShogootSo yeha. I installed ppa backport for kubuntu, and distro updated. I can not see any gui option in my Display configuration to change one of my creen to 1080x1920 resolution so i can use it as a "portrait" screen for my IDE and be hapyy chap coding :) I Seek assistance! :)10:04
ShogootI have a 4 moinitor set her from a laptop on a dokcing using nvidia driver 36710:05
konradoshateball, someone told me it's normal, that I have two plasmashell processes - is that true?10:14
konradoshateball, oh no, I didn't know htop shows threads (I mean subprocesses) too, so I have only one plasmashell process, still however I think it using 80% is a bit high :(10:24
hateballShogoot: are you using nvidia-settings to config? you should if you use binary blob10:26
hateballkonrados: that is usually due to some plasmoid gone wrong10:27
hateballkonrados: I dont know how to troubleshoot it other than removing stuff and seeing where the issue is. Might be a better way they know of in #plasma10:27
ChetManlywhat is the weird flash substitute10:33
ChetManlyright click shows no info10:33
ChetManlylooks like gnash10:34
konradosThanks hateball10:34
ChetManlyon sites that dont use html510:35
hateballChetManly: which browser are you using?10:35
ChetManlymaybe its just the site10:37
ChetManlyI was using firefox but its the same in chromium10:37
ChetManlyI read that firefox made their player10:38
ChetManlyown*10:38
hateballchromium has no flash by default, but you can use pepperflash from chrome10:39
hateballand firefox has npapi flash, which is currently 11.2 from adobe10:39
hateballunless you grab their beta and install manually10:39
ChetManlywhats a good site to test on10:39
hateballv 23 or so, it is much nicer than 11.2 if you must have flash somewhere10:39
hateballChetManly: http://www.adobe.com/se/software/flash/about/10:40
ChetManlythis is weird10:41
ChetManlyso does 11 still got patches? thought that was only a 5 year deal10:42
ChetManlychromium says this dobe Flash Player är standarden för leverans av slagkraftigt multimedialt webbmaterial. Bilder, animationer och användargränssnitt kan användas direkt i olika webbläsare på olika plattformar.10:43
hateballthat's why v23 is in beta, they decided to support npapi flash again10:43
ChetManlyadobe did?10:43
hateballyes10:44
ChetManlyyay10:44
ChetManlydummies10:44
hateballmozilla is dropping npapi for everything *but* flash10:44
hateballxD10:44
ChetManlywell where did I read they made their own10:44
hateballChetManly: for chromium you will want pepperflash as i said10:44
ChetManlyright10:44
hateballit's installable via repos10:45
ChetManlyor install chrome10:45
hateballChetManly: iirc mozilla had some flash->html5 converter thing10:45
ChetManlylike apple quicktime?10:45
hateballChetManly: well, what the package does is pull down the latest chrome.deb and extract pepperflash from it, for use with chromium10:45
hateball!info pepperflashplugin-installer trusty10:46
ubottuPackage pepperflashplugin-installer does not exist in trusty10:46
hateballboo10:46
hateball!info pepperflashplugin-nonfree trusty10:46
ubottupepperflashplugin-nonfree (source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree): Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.3ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 9 kB, installed size 65 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)10:46
ChetManlywhat in the fuck10:46
ChetManlyoh10:46
ChetManlyoops, is this site fam friendly or waht?10:47
hateball!language10:48
ubottuThe main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList10:48
Shogoothateball: so this nvidia driver i snot detecting 2 of my 4 monitors. is it just to apt-get remove nvidia-367 and let kde/ubuntu display manger take over the job? or is there a linux based driver for my  nvidia card?11:45
hateballShogoot: are you using 367 from ppa?11:49
Shogoothmmm not sure if it is from ppa11:50
Shogootlet me se if i have that repo11:50
hateballsurely you remember if you used ppa or pulled it from nvidias website11:50
hateballShogoot: if you dont use the blob you're stuck with nouveau and I am not sure that driver handles more than 2 monitors, if that11:51
Shogootwhre do is e the repos again?11:51
hateballShogoot: just do "apt-cache policy nvidia-367"11:52
hateball!paste11:52
ubottuFor posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.kde.org | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.11:52
hateballit'll tell you where it's installed from11:52
Shogoothateball: sorry i was experimenting with thunderbird irc client. i did disconect aparently12:17
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Shogoothateball: this is my output guess is doenloaded from nvdia site?12:24
Shogoothttp://pastebin.com/wKXXwQn712:24
hateballShogoot: no, notice where it says ppa etc12:27
hateballShogoot: I was only going to suggest you'd try the nvidia-370 beta driver, see if that makes things any nicer12:27
hateballI am using it, but I do not use multimonitor on that setup however12:27
Shogoothateball: when i just had isntalled the default driver was not rendering properly.12:28
Shogootbut that i guess is s generic driver, do you know of any more sophisticades graphics driver under kubuntu12:29
hateballShogoot: You're not making much sense12:30
hateballShogoot: You are currently using the nvidia blob, which is the most "sophisticated" driver available12:31
Shogoothateball: ok thx. ill stick to the nvidia driver and see if i can figure out why its not detecting 2 of my monitors.12:38
yossarianukhateball : 370 nvidia driver is no longer beta, its the stable short term release I think13:02
hateballyossarianuk: ah!13:11
Shogoothateball:  but how do i remove the envidia? apt-get remove nvidia-367? and then install nvidia-370?13:13
Shogootor yossarianuk you know? :)13:13
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> apt-get purge13:14
hateballShogoot: if you are using 367 now, you just "sudo apt install nvidia-370"13:15
hateballand it'll remove the old packages etc13:15
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> true13:16
Shogootdoing it. thanks for the help today13:23
* Shogoot afk13:23
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yossarianukShogoot: should be the case of removing present drivers then adding new ones - actually install of new ones should upgrade the packages13:53
yossarianukI would do it outside of X13:53
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wish^Does Kubuntu run on 16.04?14:30
wish^My bad14:30
wish^Kubuntu 16.04 Xenial Xerus14:30
wish^I experienced a world of trouble with Unity and its Window Manager, Compiz and so on. Is Kubuntu more stable, and how does it do with resource usage?14:31
geniiwish^: Best to try with a livedvd/usb and see if it works as expected with your particular system first. If so then you can install it, if not, then on to another like perhaps xubuntu14:34
wish^Im on Ubuntu using Cinnamon now and it seems pretty stable compared to Unity14:35
wish^But i do really like the look of the Plasma Ui14:36
hateballwish^: Kubuntu is nice, but you really want to use the kubuntu ppa after install as default 16.04 is a bit unstable14:38
wish^Ok, but the ppa fixes things?14:39
wish^I am really looking for a stable system, i work as a web dev and cant use my time fixing my system every week14:40
kustodiandoes anyone know which version of KDE will be included in the next Kubuntu release?15:32
kustodianwill it be 5.8 LTS, or 5.7?15:32
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> 5.715:39
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> 5.8 has it's release way to late to get included in Yakkety15:39
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SporkWitchanyone know what's up with the multimedia settings refusing to save settings?  I have a display connected via DVI-to-HDMI cable, and so now it's trying to force the use of HDMI audio (which DVI obviously doesn't carry), and while I can set the on-board analog controller in the settings and test speakers successfully, hit apply, when i open it again it's back to using HDMI17:32
sithlord48dvi can have audio .17:33
SporkWitchit seems to have also broken the audio device settings in general, as now nothing but "phonon device" shows when choosing device priority17:33
SporkWitchnews to me, and irrelevant in any case.17:33
sithlord48in system settings -> multimedia what is your default audio device?17:34
sithlord48SporkWitch:  im sorry system settings-> multimedia-> audio and Video-> device preference . please be sure to move your built in card to the top of the audio lists17:36
SporkWitchsithlord48: that's what i'm saying, none of my devices are listed anymore, since rebooting after connecting that display17:37
sithlord48are any devices shown?17:38
SporkWitchjust the generic "pulseaudio sound driver" thing17:38
sithlord48what does alsamixer say ?17:38
SporkWitchwhile in the audio volume tab, and in the audio hardware setup tabs, the actual devices are shown17:38
sithlord48audio hardware tab is for setting up the profile of each audio device. \17:39
SporkWitchshows 'em all, defaulting to the analog, like it should17:39
sithlord48the audio hardware setup tab does not set your default card you can only change card setting in that panel .17:40
sithlord48SporkWitch:  iirc after i added phonon-VLC backend sound worked for me . and not with gstreamer backend17:41
SporkWitchworth a shot; just strange, since it's not been a problem until connecting the tv (bad desk situation at the moment, tv is far from ideal, but it's better than having only one display)17:42
SporkWitchhmmm, i think i may be troubleshooting the wrong issue.  I just set a youtube video going and that's still going over the analog output like it should...17:44
SporkWitchoriginal symptom was my headset suddenly not working in hangouts, and when i checked settings to make sure device priorities hadn't gotten screwed up, everything was missing (when it was there 2 days ago when i'd set it)17:44
sithlord48making progress then thats good17:49
JonelethIrenicushow can i set the scaling for GTK apps?18:12
JonelethIrenicusi added GDK_SCALE=2 to my bashrc but firefox is still small18:12
JonelethIrenicuswhen i launch from the terminal it scales properly but not with the shortcut18:13
wish^What is the most stable release of Kubuntu right now?18:40
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valoriewish^: the LTS, 16.0419:30
* valorie is on 16.10, but it's only in beta now19:30
valorie16.04 will be supported for years19:31
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wish^Someone earlier said 16.04 was a bit unstable?19:33
teledynhow to configure the file save dialogs for gtk apps?20:05
valoriewish^: I've not found it so, but I do enable backports20:07
Sardonicjoin #kali-linux20:21
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IrcsomeBotArtur_Abrahao was added by: Artur_Abrahao21:34
IrcsomeBot<Artur_Abrahao> hi!21:35
IrcsomeBot<Artur_Abrahao> after an update in the kubuntu 14, the cpu speed is limited to 800MHz insteal do 2.45Ghz21:35
IrcsomeBot<Artur_Abrahao> I installed cpu-freq and cant change it21:36
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