[01:20] <viewer|87556> Has anyone else had issues with Update Manager in 16.04?  I don't get notifications about updates anymore and when I open Update Manager I'm always told everything's up to date until I manually check for updates.
[01:27] <Zren> viewer|87556, I think Discover does an apt update whenever it's opened, or _something_ is blocking it before showing the count.
[01:29] <viewer|87556> Do you know if this is a known issue?
[01:29] <viewer|87556> I saw an old bug but it looks like it's been closed
[02:43] <dbrom> anyone here
[02:44] <valorie> yes?
[02:44] <viewer|87556> Yes
[02:45] <dbrom> trying to setup vhost on ubuntu
[02:45] <dbrom> i have setup 000-defaulto to have more then one port  but its not working
[02:46] <valorie> dbrom: you may get an answer here, however we generally handle kubuntu questions
[02:46] <valorie> you are likely to get more answers in #ubuntu
[02:47] <dbrom> trying apache also nothing there yet
[03:56] <Gotolei> where's the display-brightness icon in the file system?
[03:57] <Gotolei> trying to script up some notifications, and it doesn't seem to be in the icons folder
[04:06] <Gotolei> ...and it doesn't show in search either
[06:17] <Shogoot> Hi all. I got a multiscreen setup but Plasms option config dont let med chose any "portrait" mode, just rotation. Is there a way around this?
[06:22] <Shogoot> Hi all. I got a multiscreen setup but Plasms option config dont let med chose any "portrait" mode, just rotation. Is there a way around this?
[06:23] <SporkWitch> what do you mean "portrait mode"?  It's just an aspect ratio, just set the desired resolution
[06:24] <SporkWitch> also don't repeat your question when there's nothing else in the scroll, not even any joins or parts; someone will either see it and answer or they won't, repeating yourself right next to yourself does nothing beneficial.
[06:24] <Shogoot> I use this screen as to mi IDE, and "portrait" allows me to se cod e verticaly.
[06:25] <Shogoot> I know i just was kopying to another channel and hit enter by error
[06:25] <SporkWitch> and does it not let you set the correct resolution for the display?
[06:26] <Shogoot> not that i can see. I se
[06:26] <Shogoot> display: rotation clockwise rotation 90 degress etc
[06:27] <SporkWitch> i didn't ask about rotation, i asked about resolution
[06:28] <SporkWitch> know the difference between a 1920x1080 monitor in landscape mode, and the same monitor in portrait mode?
[06:28] <Shogoot> i dont understand why you ask about resoultion :) im not saying that reso is a peroblem. i got is at 1920x whatever for all screens as it shoiuld be :)
[06:28] <SporkWitch> the latter isn't 1920x1080, it's 1080x1920; see if it lets you set that as a resolution
[06:28] <Shogoot> ah... i understand now.
[06:28] <Shogoot> let me check.
[06:29] <SporkWitch> like i said, protrait mode isn't anything epecial, it just refers to an aspect ratio with height being the long dimension
[06:29] <SporkWitch> so you don't need a special setting, just set the resolution accordingly
[06:29] <hateball> Shogoot: are you using kubuntu backports ppa?
[06:29] <hateball> You really should if you use multimonitor
[06:30] <Shogoot> i just installed my first ever kubuntu :)
[06:30] <Shogoot> the bar goes grom 600x800 to 19291080 and no 1080x1920 option
[06:31] <SporkWitch> now if the monitor in question is one of those rotating ones that automatically swaps between 16:9 and 9:16, that may require more work.  I've never owned one or seen one outside of a store, so i've never had to deal with it.  I would assume it'd require sme additional software support, but for that you'd just have to google.
[06:31] <Shogoot> what does that backport give me?
[06:31] <SporkWitch> (search for the model with some strings like 'change aspect ratio')
[06:31] <SporkWitch> backports will give you a more recent version of KDE
[06:31] <SporkWitch> it fixes some of the stuff they broke
[06:32] <Shogoot> ill se into it.
[06:33] <hateball> Shogoot: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[06:33] <hateball> Shogoot: otherwise you may lose settings for your monitors, and have panels going to the wrong one etc etc
[06:34] <hateball> It still happens. Just less frequently.
[06:38] <Shogoot> updateing
[06:39] <Shogoot> flash plugin?  for real? :)
[06:39] <Shogoot> i see it beeing downloaded
[07:13] <Shogoot> backport ppa and screenresolution is stil not working for me.
[07:14] <Smurphy> Hmmm... Why is the "Settings -> Manage Siee Scripts" in KMail not working anymore ?
[07:14] <Guest97201> Good morning
[07:17] <Shogoot> hateball: any suggestions?
[07:17] <hateball> Shogoot: is the backports ppa not working?
[07:17] <hateball> Shogoot: or is the screen rotation bit not working, even after upgrading?
[07:18] <Shogoot> the ppa is fine, ut solving my multiple monitor problem is not
[07:18] <hateball> Right
[07:18] <hateball> Shogoot: what gpu/driver are you using?
[07:18] <Shogoot> nvidia 376
[07:21] <Shogoot> hateball: sorry nvidia-367
[07:21] <Shogoot> lates from official linux nvida driver for my Quadro 4000M card
[07:22] <Shogoot> argh. sooht. i got to work a bit, ill be back alter :)
[07:42] <konrados> Morning :)
[07:50] <konrados> This is how some apps look like on my desktop after installing KDE5 - https://postimg.org/image/ogszzwqn7/ I mean black characters on almost black background, and those buttons which I believe should contain some text. When I changed theme to a lighter one, I had white letters on almost white background o.O And I can't find where can I change these details.
[08:00] <hateball> konrados: looks like some broken theme settings
[08:00] <hateball> konrados: does things work properly if you use a default look and feel like breeze dark ?
[08:02] <ChetManly> I have two screens, one monitor and one hdmi tv, I recently took the nvidia card out of the box, leaving me with ati onboard. When the tv shuts off my monitor flickers and whatever but when I turn the tv back on there is no detection until I select display from 'system-settings'
[08:02] <konrados> I use the default breeze dark,  hateball. I'm not really concerned on this black and dark grey text, but why is the text on buttons missing?
[08:03] <ChetManly> driver manager says there is no properitary drivers to install
[08:03] <konrados> *I'm not concerned about this black text on dark gray background issue (and that's because it happens only in a few apps I use rarely)
[08:04] <hateball> ChetManly: there's no proprietary drivers to install for AMD these days
[08:04] <ChetManly> oh?
[08:04] <hateball> well, there is amdgpu-pro but that's only for the latest chipsets and I think it's not-awesome
[08:04] <ChetManly> all opensource?
[08:04] <hateball> ChetManly: yes, since 16.04 amdgpu is used in favor or fglrx
[08:04] <hateball> or radeon if it is a legacy device
[08:05] <ChetManly> how do I tell?
[08:06] <hateball> ChetManly: "lspci -k"
[08:06] <hateball> look for the VGA parts
[08:07] <ChetManly> or grep ati and dont think im being smart by saying that, I remember a little here and there lol
[08:07] <ChetManly> AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]
[08:08] <hateball> ChetManly: if you just grep you dont get the line telling you which kernel module is being used
[08:09] <ChetManly>  Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp
[08:09] <hateball> that's not a VGA driver
[08:10] <ChetManly> yes ignore me for a moment ..sigh
[08:10] <ChetManly> radeon
[08:11] <ChetManly> I really need to change my theme its late and its too bright
[08:14] <ChetManly> ok that should be better
[08:15] <ChetManly> ok so I get very little horizontal tearing on my tv with this setup, what gives?
[08:15] <ChetManly> IM on 14.04.5 btw
[08:16] <hateball> ChetManly: oh
[08:16] <ChetManly> a good nvidia card vs onboard ati?
[08:16] <hateball> ChetManly: well in 14.04 fglrx still exists, but I dunno how well it works
[08:16] <hateball> I have avoided AMD gpu for a decade+
[08:16] <hateball> nvidia "just works"
[08:16] <ChetManly> me too but I was suprised with these results
[08:17] <hateball> (except if the chipset is very new and you need to boot nomodeset until you can install the blob)
[08:17] <ChetManly> always plug in a nvidia whether there is onboard or not
[08:18] <ChetManly> I always thought the tearing was the result of differing resolution on each screen
[08:19] <hateball> ChetManly: so you're saying you had tearing with nvidia, but not with amd?
[08:19] <ChetManly> monitor is 1440x900 and tv is 1080
[08:19] <ChetManly> yes I sure am
[08:19] <hateball> well, nvidia has some funky issues with tearing but they are for the most part fixable
[08:19] <ChetManly> fresh install prior to ripping the nvidia card out
[08:20] <ChetManly> I always meant to test the onboard just never got around to it
[08:21] <ChetManly> I try to stay away from the blobs regardless
[08:22] <ChetManly> opensource is pretty decent these days although im not sure how much more this onboard would do
[08:23] <ChetManly> cant remember my other question now ...
[08:26] <hateball> open source drivers are ok unless you do any gaming or have a 9xx+ nvidia chipset
[08:27] <acheronuk> with no reclocking for this card, nouveau it is not an option here
[08:27] <ChetManly> youu on 16.04?
[08:28] <konrados> I have a lot of issues, since I installed the newest ubuntu.... I noticed the windows open slowly, htop says I have two plasma processes, one of them using > 150% of CPU. Then there is xorg process using > 60% of CPU o.O what do I do about it?
[08:29] <hateball> konrados: did you enable the backports ppa?
[08:29] <konrados> I don't even know what's that, hateball
[08:30] <hateball> oh :D
[08:30] <hateball> konrados: 16.04 isnt very... stable, sadly. But the backports ppa fixes much !
[08:30] <hateball> konrados: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:31] <konrados> sec...
[08:33] <konrados> I've resetted plasmashell it was 3 minutes ago, and it still didn't finish rebooting, I want to wait for it to finish before installing that
[08:46] <ChetManly> hateball: yes 16.04 isnt good at all
[08:46] <ChetManly> im running majaro in a VM to see what newer kde is like
[08:47] <ChetManly> manjaro*
[08:47] <hateball> 16.10 will hopefully bring much needed stability
[08:47] <hateball> with updated Qt and kde frameworks et al
[08:50] <ChetManly> lots of crazy decisions, systemd, realtiviely new DE, control panel mucked with even more, horrible display manager and removed kdm...
[08:51] <ChetManly> ill be on 14 for awhile
[08:53] <hateball> I do like sddm more than kdm, fwiw
[08:53] <ChetManly> what do you like ?
[08:53] <hateball> and I only use krunner to get into options, no clicking around the various kcms
[08:53] <hateball> ChetManly: It just feels snappier
[08:54] <hateball> for whatever few seconds it is used
[08:54] <ChetManly> multiscreen doesnt work
[08:54] <hateball> that's correct
[08:54] <ChetManly> well work right
[08:55] <ChetManly> what do you mean kcms
[08:55] <hateball> I mean clicking around in the system settings
[08:56] <hateball> rather than using krunner to go to the relevant thing at once
[08:56] <ChetManly> ahh
[08:56] <hateball> ChetManly: have you tried setting your resolution using xrandr directly rather than using kscreen?
[08:57] <ChetManly> no
[08:58] <ChetManly> I just thought it to be weird for it to not auto detect the tv
[08:58] <ChetManly> the nvidia card just "held" the tvs place, no screen flicker
[08:59] <ChetManly> does that make sense?
[09:00] <ChetManly> an extended desktop appears only after clicking the display option in system settings
[09:02] <ChetManly> I mean just selecting the option not pressing the button or pressing detect displays or some such thing
[09:02] <ChetManly> its weird it must probe the tvs autmatically
[09:03] <hateball> well it could very well not like to fetch the EDID from the TV
[09:03] <hateball> but it should detect *something* at any rate
[09:03] <hateball> even if it would report wrong size etc
[09:03] <ChetManly> yes it works correctly
[09:04] <ChetManly> it just needs a kick in the ass to enable tv out I guess youd call it
[09:04] <ChetManly> or is this normal behavior?
[09:05] <konrados> hateball, - it ended with: processing package man-db (2.7.5-1).. errors: /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop_4%3a5.6.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What does it mean? p.s. I translated a few words to English, so it's not exactly the original output
[09:05] <ChetManly> its weird now having to turn on the tv and then select system settings to get it to pop on
[09:07] <ChetManly> used to just" be on" when you turned the tv on before
[09:07] <ChetManly> is there a way besides using some old xorg.conf shit to make this a thing again?
[09:08] <ChetManly> ship* forgot i was in this channel
[09:08] <hateball> ChetManly: no idea about 14.04 here
[09:10] <hateball> konrados: hmm, try and "sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[09:10] <ChetManly> hateball: isnt xrandr ""dynamic
[09:10] <hateball> ChetManly: What do you mean?
[09:10] <ChetManly> like its settings are on the fly
[09:10] <hateball> ChetManly: on boot, yes
[09:10] <hateball> or well, whenever you run it
[09:11] <ChetManly> so one couldnt tell it to say a particular wat
[09:11] <ChetManly> way*
[09:11] <hateball> ChetManly: hmm?
[09:12] <hateball> !info kscreen trusty
[09:18] <ChetManly> If I leave kscreen on and turn the tv on ...nothing
[09:18] <ChetManly> but it recognizes when you turn it off?
[09:19] <ChetManly> if I type xrandr or kscreen-console in terminal the tv pops on
[09:22] <snypz> hello all
[09:50] <konrados> hateball - thank you, it helped much, but not entirely I think. i.e. now everything is much faster, but still... I have two "plasmashell --shut-up" processes and they use around 80% (in summary) of CPU (I have four cores) - is this normal?
[10:04] <Shogoot> So yeha. I installed ppa backport for kubuntu, and distro updated. I can not see any gui option in my Display configuration to change one of my creen to 1080x1920 resolution so i can use it as a "portrait" screen for my IDE and be hapyy chap coding :) I Seek assistance! :)
[10:05] <Shogoot> I have a 4 moinitor set her from a laptop on a dokcing using nvidia driver 367
[10:14] <konrados> hateball, someone told me it's normal, that I have two plasmashell processes - is that true?
[10:24] <konrados> hateball, oh no, I didn't know htop shows threads (I mean subprocesses) too, so I have only one plasmashell process, still however I think it using 80% is a bit high :(
[10:26] <hateball> Shogoot: are you using nvidia-settings to config? you should if you use binary blob
[10:27] <hateball> konrados: that is usually due to some plasmoid gone wrong
[10:27] <hateball> konrados: I dont know how to troubleshoot it other than removing stuff and seeing where the issue is. Might be a better way they know of in #plasma
[10:33] <ChetManly> what is the weird flash substitute
[10:33] <ChetManly> right click shows no info
[10:34] <ChetManly> looks like gnash
[10:34] <konrados> Thanks hateball
[10:35] <ChetManly> on sites that dont use html5
[10:35] <hateball> ChetManly: which browser are you using?
[10:37] <ChetManly> maybe its just the site
[10:37] <ChetManly> I was using firefox but its the same in chromium
[10:38] <ChetManly> I read that firefox made their player
[10:38] <ChetManly> own*
[10:39] <hateball> chromium has no flash by default, but you can use pepperflash from chrome
[10:39] <hateball> and firefox has npapi flash, which is currently 11.2 from adobe
[10:39] <hateball> unless you grab their beta and install manually
[10:39] <ChetManly> whats a good site to test on
[10:39] <hateball> v 23 or so, it is much nicer than 11.2 if you must have flash somewhere
[10:40] <hateball> ChetManly: http://www.adobe.com/se/software/flash/about/
[10:41] <ChetManly> this is weird
[10:42] <ChetManly> so does 11 still got patches? thought that was only a 5 year deal
[10:43] <ChetManly> chromium says this dobe Flash Player är standarden för leverans av slagkraftigt multimedialt webbmaterial. Bilder, animationer och användargränssnitt kan användas direkt i olika webbläsare på olika plattformar.
[10:43] <hateball> that's why v23 is in beta, they decided to support npapi flash again
[10:43] <ChetManly> adobe did?
[10:44] <hateball> yes
[10:44] <ChetManly> yay
[10:44] <ChetManly> dummies
[10:44] <hateball> mozilla is dropping npapi for everything *but* flash
[10:44] <hateball> xD
[10:44] <ChetManly> well where did I read they made their own
[10:44] <hateball> ChetManly: for chromium you will want pepperflash as i said
[10:44] <ChetManly> right
[10:45] <hateball> it's installable via repos
[10:45] <ChetManly> or install chrome
[10:45] <hateball> ChetManly: iirc mozilla had some flash->html5 converter thing
[10:45] <ChetManly> like apple quicktime?
[10:45] <hateball> ChetManly: well, what the package does is pull down the latest chrome.deb and extract pepperflash from it, for use with chromium
[10:46] <hateball> !info pepperflashplugin-installer trusty
[10:46] <hateball> boo
[10:46] <hateball> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree trusty
[10:46] <ChetManly> what in the fuck
[10:46] <ChetManly> oh
[10:47] <ChetManly> oops, is this site fam friendly or waht?
[10:48] <hateball> !language
[11:45] <Shogoot> hateball: so this nvidia driver i snot detecting 2 of my 4 monitors. is it just to apt-get remove nvidia-367 and let kde/ubuntu display manger take over the job? or is there a linux based driver for my  nvidia card?
[11:49] <hateball> Shogoot: are you using 367 from ppa?
[11:50] <Shogoot> hmmm not sure if it is from ppa
[11:50] <Shogoot> let me se if i have that repo
[11:50] <hateball> surely you remember if you used ppa or pulled it from nvidias website
[11:51] <hateball> Shogoot: if you dont use the blob you're stuck with nouveau and I am not sure that driver handles more than 2 monitors, if that
[11:51] <Shogoot> whre do is e the repos again?
[11:52] <hateball> Shogoot: just do "apt-cache policy nvidia-367"
[11:52] <hateball> !paste
[11:52] <hateball> it'll tell you where it's installed from
[12:17] <Shogoot> hateball: sorry i was experimenting with thunderbird irc client. i did disconect aparently
[12:24] <Shogoot> hateball: this is my output guess is doenloaded from nvdia site?
[12:24] <Shogoot> http://pastebin.com/wKXXwQn7
[12:27] <hateball> Shogoot: no, notice where it says ppa etc
[12:27] <hateball> Shogoot: I was only going to suggest you'd try the nvidia-370 beta driver, see if that makes things any nicer
[12:27] <hateball> I am using it, but I do not use multimonitor on that setup however
[12:28] <Shogoot> hateball: when i just had isntalled the default driver was not rendering properly.
[12:29] <Shogoot> but that i guess is s generic driver, do you know of any more sophisticades graphics driver under kubuntu
[12:30] <hateball> Shogoot: You're not making much sense
[12:31] <hateball> Shogoot: You are currently using the nvidia blob, which is the most "sophisticated" driver available
[12:38] <Shogoot> hateball: ok thx. ill stick to the nvidia driver and see if i can figure out why its not detecting 2 of my monitors.
[13:02] <yossarianuk> hateball : 370 nvidia driver is no longer beta, its the stable short term release I think
[13:11] <hateball> yossarianuk: ah!
[13:13] <Shogoot> hateball:  but how do i remove the envidia? apt-get remove nvidia-367? and then install nvidia-370?
[13:13] <Shogoot> or yossarianuk you know? :)
 apt-get purge
[13:15] <hateball> Shogoot: if you are using 367 now, you just "sudo apt install nvidia-370"
[13:15] <hateball> and it'll remove the old packages etc
 true
[13:23] <Shogoot> doing it. thanks for the help today
[13:23]  * Shogoot afk
[13:53] <yossarianuk> Shogoot: should be the case of removing present drivers then adding new ones - actually install of new ones should upgrade the packages
[13:53] <yossarianuk> I would do it outside of X
[14:30] <wish^> Does Kubuntu run on 16.04?
[14:30] <wish^> My bad
[14:30] <wish^> Kubuntu 16.04 Xenial Xerus
[14:31] <wish^> I experienced a world of trouble with Unity and its Window Manager, Compiz and so on. Is Kubuntu more stable, and how does it do with resource usage?
[14:34] <genii> wish^: Best to try with a livedvd/usb and see if it works as expected with your particular system first. If so then you can install it, if not, then on to another like perhaps xubuntu
[14:35] <wish^> Im on Ubuntu using Cinnamon now and it seems pretty stable compared to Unity
[14:36] <wish^> But i do really like the look of the Plasma Ui
[14:38] <hateball> wish^: Kubuntu is nice, but you really want to use the kubuntu ppa after install as default 16.04 is a bit unstable
[14:39] <wish^> Ok, but the ppa fixes things?
[14:40] <wish^> I am really looking for a stable system, i work as a web dev and cant use my time fixing my system every week
[15:32] <kustodian> does anyone know which version of KDE will be included in the next Kubuntu release?
[15:32] <kustodian> will it be 5.8 LTS, or 5.7?
 5.7
 5.8 has it's release way to late to get included in Yakkety
[17:32] <SporkWitch> anyone know what's up with the multimedia settings refusing to save settings?  I have a display connected via DVI-to-HDMI cable, and so now it's trying to force the use of HDMI audio (which DVI obviously doesn't carry), and while I can set the on-board analog controller in the settings and test speakers successfully, hit apply, when i open it again it's back to using HDMI
[17:33] <sithlord48> dvi can have audio .
[17:33] <SporkWitch> it seems to have also broken the audio device settings in general, as now nothing but "phonon device" shows when choosing device priority
[17:33] <SporkWitch> news to me, and irrelevant in any case.
[17:34] <sithlord48> in system settings -> multimedia what is your default audio device?
[17:36] <sithlord48> SporkWitch:  im sorry system settings-> multimedia-> audio and Video-> device preference . please be sure to move your built in card to the top of the audio lists
[17:37] <SporkWitch> sithlord48: that's what i'm saying, none of my devices are listed anymore, since rebooting after connecting that display
[17:38] <sithlord48> are any devices shown?
[17:38] <SporkWitch> just the generic "pulseaudio sound driver" thing
[17:38] <sithlord48> what does alsamixer say ?
[17:38] <SporkWitch> while in the audio volume tab, and in the audio hardware setup tabs, the actual devices are shown
[17:39] <sithlord48> audio hardware tab is for setting up the profile of each audio device. \
[17:39] <SporkWitch> shows 'em all, defaulting to the analog, like it should
[17:40] <sithlord48> the audio hardware setup tab does not set your default card you can only change card setting in that panel .
[17:41] <sithlord48> SporkWitch:  iirc after i added phonon-VLC backend sound worked for me . and not with gstreamer backend
[17:42] <SporkWitch> worth a shot; just strange, since it's not been a problem until connecting the tv (bad desk situation at the moment, tv is far from ideal, but it's better than having only one display)
[17:44] <SporkWitch> hmmm, i think i may be troubleshooting the wrong issue.  I just set a youtube video going and that's still going over the analog output like it should...
[17:44] <SporkWitch> original symptom was my headset suddenly not working in hangouts, and when i checked settings to make sure device priorities hadn't gotten screwed up, everything was missing (when it was there 2 days ago when i'd set it)
[17:49] <sithlord48> making progress then thats good
[18:12] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i set the scaling for GTK apps?
[18:12] <JonelethIrenicus> i added GDK_SCALE=2 to my bashrc but firefox is still small
[18:13] <JonelethIrenicus> when i launch from the terminal it scales properly but not with the shortcut
[18:40] <wish^> What is the most stable release of Kubuntu right now?
[19:30] <valorie> wish^: the LTS, 16.04
[19:30]  * valorie is on 16.10, but it's only in beta now
[19:31] <valorie> 16.04 will be supported for years
[19:33] <wish^> Someone earlier said 16.04 was a bit unstable?
[20:05] <teledyn> how to configure the file save dialogs for gtk apps?
[20:07] <valorie> wish^: I've not found it so, but I do enable backports
[20:21] <Sardonic> join #kali-linux
 hi!
 after an update in the kubuntu 14, the cpu speed is limited to 800MHz insteal do 2.45Ghz
 I installed cpu-freq and cant change it