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| tsimonq2 | wxl: ... | 17:14 |
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| tsimonq2 | wxl: so no meeting today? | 17:15 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: not yet, right? | 17:44 |
| tsimonq2 | ARGH | 17:48 |
| tsimonq2 | I didn't convert correctly | 17:48 |
| tsimonq2 | I can't make it :( | 17:48 |
| wxl | dude | 17:48 |
| wxl | AND you didn't email lubuntu-users | 17:48 |
| tsimonq2 | fu | 17:49 |
| tsimonq2 | *fuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 17:49 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I personally say screw monthly meetings and figure out a time when we need to talk | 17:49 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: i disagree. | 17:50 |
| tsimonq2 | well time zones suck | 17:50 |
| tsimonq2 | you agree with that? | 17:50 |
| wxl | nope, they don't. | 17:51 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Nio and Julien are in Europe | 17:51 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: keen observation | 17:52 |
| tsimonq2 | we have to coordinate with them | 17:52 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm at school all day | 17:52 |
| tsimonq2 | I want to come to the meetings | 17:52 |
| tsimonq2 | they need to come to the meetings | 17:52 |
| tsimonq2 | so two options: move future meetings back so I can make it, or keep as is and I'll never be able to attend | 17:53 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: your choice | 17:54 |
| wxl | i would urge you to propose a different time and day then, that seems reasonable | 17:54 |
| tsimonq2 | ok | 17:54 |
| wxl | it's not my choice, it's OUR choice | 17:54 |
| tsimonq2 | ah yes | 17:54 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: anyways, for my agenda items I'l just send emais | 18:01 |
| tsimonq2 | *emails | 18:01 |
| tsimonq2 | no biggie | 18:01 |
| sudodus | o/ | 18:52 |
| wxl | hey nio | 18:54 |
| wxl | looks like simon did his time conversions wrong so he'll not be joining us | 18:54 |
| sudodus | He wrote that he will be late. Is it worse, that he cannot attend at all? | 18:55 |
| wxl | that's correct | 18:56 |
| wxl | he's going to email his updates and perhaps suggest another time | 18:56 |
| sudodus | OK. | 18:57 |
| wxl | he had most of the stuff on the list | 18:57 |
| wxl | so this meeting is probably going to be short and boring :) | 18:57 |
| sudodus | I see | 18:58 |
| wxl | ok let's get this party started | 18:59 |
| wxl | #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:00:10 2016 UTC. The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 19:00 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: | ||
| wxl | welcome to our regular Lubuntu meeting | 19:00 |
| wxl | agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 19:00 |
| wxl | first thing's first— | 19:00 |
| wxl | #topic Show of hands to gauge attendance | 19:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: Show of hands to gauge attendance | ||
| wxl | o/ | 19:01 |
| sudodus | o/ | 19:01 |
| wxl | yay there's two of us XD | 19:01 |
| wxl | i'll keep the ball rolling here | 19:01 |
| wxl | #topic QA | 19:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: QA | ||
| wxl | final beta is due 22 sept | 19:02 |
| wxl | that said, we should expect to see images early next week | 19:02 |
| sudodus | So we should announce via the mailing lists, that people should get started with the daily iso files | 19:02 |
| wxl | no big fires to put out, but that would be wise | 19:03 |
| wxl | #action wxl will make sure an announcement to the mailing list happens regarding final beta testing upcoming next week | 19:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: wxl will make sure an announcement to the mailing list happens regarding final beta testing upcoming next week | 19:03 |
| sudodus | Hi lynorian | 19:04 |
| lynorian | I am a little late | 19:04 |
| wxl | we had images not sync earlier | 19:04 |
| wxl | that was kind of weird. hadn't run into that before | 19:04 |
| wxl | if you see anything weird with dailies not being built with today's date, please let me know | 19:04 |
| wxl | thx to lynorian for pointing that out to me btw | 19:05 |
| sudodus | I will have time tomorrow (CET) to check the daily iso files. | 19:05 |
| wxl | we start building at 16:29 UTC btw | 19:05 |
| wxl | alternates are expected to take 45-50 minutes and desktop about double that | 19:06 |
| wxl | you can check here for the status of the builds https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/lubuntu | 19:06 |
| wxl | that doesn't tell you the status of the sync, though | 19:06 |
| wxl | have to dig into the logs for that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/ | 19:07 |
| wxl | that's just in case you want to know (it's also in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing) | 19:07 |
| wxl | tl;dr tell me and i'll work with release team to get it fixed | 19:07 |
| wxl | that's about all i have for QA. any other questions, comments, concerns? | 19:07 |
| sudodus | not yet ;-) | 19:08 |
| wxl | ok | 19:08 |
| wxl | in that case | 19:08 |
| wxl | #topic donations | 19:08 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: donations | ||
| lynorian | thanks for those links wxl | 19:08 |
| wxl | np lynorian :) | 19:08 |
| wxl | so, i've been trying to explore the option of having a Lubuntu Foundation, much like LXDE | 19:08 |
| wxl | i contacted the Software Freedom Law Center on the subject and haven't heard back. apparently they're a little slow on the uptake, so i think we need to just be patient | 19:09 |
| wxl | unfortunately, i'm no expert where it comes to such legalities, so i'm going to continue to keep trying that direction | 19:09 |
| wxl | however, if anyone knows of anyone that would be willing to help provide advice, maybe a reputable lawyer that understands how this world work across global borders, let me know | 19:10 |
| wxl | until then, i don't see any clear solution for donations | 19:10 |
| lynorian | wxl +1 | 19:10 |
| wxl | at the same time, i don't necessarily see an urgent requirement for taking them in | 19:11 |
| wxl | that said, i think we'll just keep on keeping on | 19:11 |
| sudodus | Well, I cannot contribute much, I suggest that you continue with the Software Freedom Law Center | 19:11 |
| wxl | glad to hear that great minds think alike XD | 19:11 |
| wxl | moving on, i'm going to skip yakkety as all the discussion i have on the subject was in the qa section | 19:12 |
| wxl | i'm also going to skip tsimonq2's agenda items because he got a little confused by the mathematics of time zone conversions ;) | 19:12 |
| wxl | needless to say, he's not going to be here | 19:13 |
| wxl | he did say he would email out what information he has | 19:13 |
| wxl | he also might suggest different days/times for meetings so he can actually make it | 19:13 |
| wxl | so nexxt | 19:13 |
| wxl | #topic wiki | 19:13 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: wiki | ||
| wxl | no new news on the wiki. still looking for someone to play lead. | 19:13 |
| wxl | please spread the word if you know anyone interested | 19:14 |
| wxl | i think ideally we need someone who can coordinate a vision for the whole thing, in terms of organization and editing | 19:14 |
| wxl | i don't think that person necessarily needs to contribute actual content, but of course that would be an additional plus | 19:15 |
| sudodus | There have been a few people contributing. Any chance some of them can be re-activated? | 19:15 |
| wxl | you mean bringing some of the old leaders in, sudodus ? | 19:15 |
| sudodus | Not necessary leaders, but contributors, that might grow into leaders | 19:16 |
| wxl | sure yeah that would be good | 19:16 |
| sudodus | Gustavo da Silva for example | 19:16 |
| wxl | oh i know | 19:16 |
| wxl | he was awesome | 19:16 |
| lynorian | yes he was I think he ran out of free time | 19:16 |
| wxl | unfortunately he's been completely out of touch as lately. life stuff. it happens | 19:16 |
| lynorian | or something | 19:16 |
| wxl | that's a good idea though | 19:17 |
| wxl | maybe i can get some stats on contributors | 19:17 |
| wxl | #action wxl to look at stats on wiki contributors, in hopes of maybe finding a good team lead? | 19:17 |
| meetingology | ACTION: wxl to look at stats on wiki contributors, in hopes of maybe finding a good team lead? | 19:17 |
| wxl | another idea i had, but i'm not sure about it, is perhaps seeking out other documentation teams and seeing if they might have some interest | 19:18 |
| wxl | i think someone with a good vision could make simple tasks that anyone could just chip away at | 19:18 |
| wxl | plus we have Google Code-In coming up again and that would be a great opportunity to get those tasks taken care of | 19:18 |
| wxl | anyone interested in reaching out to the various documentation teams and see if we can dig someone up? | 19:19 |
| sudodus | I will focus on testing ... | 19:20 |
| wxl | k well i'll give it a go | 19:20 |
| sudodus | ... and improving mkusb | 19:20 |
| wxl | #action wxl to reach out to other documentation teams to perhaps find a lead | 19:20 |
| meetingology | ACTION: wxl to reach out to other documentation teams to perhaps find a lead | 19:20 |
| wxl | ok so now we move onto the fun stuff | 19:20 |
| wxl | #topic LXQt | 19:21 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: LXQt | ||
| wxl | i've seen an increasing number of people in irc asking about when it's coming out | 19:21 |
| wxl | right now there's problems in the metapackages upstream in debian | 19:21 |
| wxl | we cannot even suggest people install the lxqt or lxqt-core packages right now | 19:21 |
| lynorian | what are these current problems? | 19:22 |
| sudodus | I'm not updated on LXQt. How far away is it? | 19:22 |
| wxl | meanwhile, things are also broken that we can't create an image | 19:22 |
| wxl | so we're in a bit of a limbo | 19:22 |
| sudodus | Would it work to install packages into a mini system made from the mini.iso? | 19:23 |
| wxl | lynorian: i only know this as hearsay from tsimonq2. apparently, there's some disagreement in debian related to taskel. i'm not sure i understand it. tsimonq2 said he'd write a bug on this subject | 19:23 |
| wxl | suffice it to say, it's a pretty fundamental thing | 19:23 |
| wxl | not necessarily a "lubuntu" problem, so, no, sudodus, it's broken everywhere | 19:23 |
| wxl | subsequently, because of this the "lubuntu-qt-desktop" suggestion on the wiki page is kind of broken, too | 19:24 |
| sudodus | OK | 19:24 |
| lynorian | I have it iunstalled and somewhat working but the lubuntu session has really bad theming and defualt settings like the runner is not work | 19:24 |
| wxl | lynorian: from the original wiki page? | 19:24 |
| wxl | that original wiki page was at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Lubuntu/LXQt which caused confusion for at least one user, so i deleted that | 19:25 |
| wxl | that original methodology probably does work (untested), but like you said, it's pretty screwed up | 19:25 |
| wxl | when the debian lxqt metapackages are fixed, then we can probably revise the wiki to allow for that option | 19:26 |
| wxl | and then if all goes well, (perhaps by the new lxqt release) maybe we'll have an lubuntu-next image built by canonical's servers that people can download and test the developing version of lubuntu with lxqt, including qt apps | 19:27 |
| wxl | suffice it to say, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt is the number one source of info | 19:27 |
| wxl | i did have a little talk with tsimonq2 on this subject so i'm going to make him some reminders here: | 19:27 |
| wxl | #action tsimonq2 make a bug report for the debian lxqt metapackages and email the lubuntu-devel list about the situation | 19:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2 make a bug report for the debian lxqt metapackages and email the lubuntu-devel list about the situation | 19:28 |
| wxl | #action tsimonq2 update the LXQt wiki page with more information about the lxqt metapackages | 19:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2 update the LXQt wiki page with more information about the lxqt metapackages | 19:28 |
| wxl | any other comments or concerns about lxqt? | 19:28 |
| lynorian | Getting the runner workin gin default settings | 19:28 |
| wxl | lynorian: should we ask question again once we at least get an lxqt metapackage? | 19:29 |
| lynorian | yes | 19:30 |
| wxl | ok so why don't we do this | 19:30 |
| sudodus | OK | 19:30 |
| wxl | #idea once lxqt metapackages are fixed, check if we can get the runner working in default settings | 19:30 |
| wxl | that's supposed to be a meetingology command | 19:31 |
| wxl | i guess we'll have to see what happens :/ | 19:31 |
| wxl | #topic anything else | 19:31 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016 | Current topic: anything else | ||
| wxl | any thing else on anyone else's mind? | 19:31 |
| sudodus | Simon was starting to get mkusb into a debian repository. Do you know anything about his progress? | 19:32 |
| wxl | unfortunately no | 19:32 |
| wxl | soo | 19:32 |
| sudodus | I'll ask directly via mail | 19:33 |
| wxl | #action tsimonq2 to update the mailing list on the status of getting mkusb in debian | 19:33 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2 to update the mailing list on the status of getting mkusb in debian | 19:33 |
| wxl | anything new with mkusb, sudodus ? | 19:33 |
| sudodus | Yes, there are a few new features: | 19:33 |
| sudodus | 1. separated the usb-pack-efi (by Andre Rodovalho) | 19:34 |
| sudodus | 2. Made it fix the problem, that some flavours (not Lubuntu) update unattended and fill the casper-rw partition | 19:35 |
| sudodus | 3. Made it see card readers mounting as mmcblk0 | 19:36 |
| sudodus | #3 is still is early testing stage | 19:36 |
| wxl | nice | 19:36 |
| wxl | hoepfully we can get it in debian already! | 19:37 |
| sudodus | Yes - that would make it easier to install and use (and rely on). | 19:38 |
| wxl | and i would suspect encourage other flavors to use it | 19:39 |
| wxl | especially consindering how consistent and reliable it is | 19:39 |
| wxl | good work as always, sudodus | 19:40 |
| wxl | with that, i'm going to move to close if everyone else agrees | 19:40 |
| sudodus | Thanks :-) | 19:40 |
| sudodus | Ok for me to close the meeting | 19:41 |
| wxl | alrighty then | 19:41 |
| wxl | thanks everyone for showing up! | 19:41 |
| wxl | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Offtopic Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Yakkety Yak Dailies (Final Beta milestone starts 20 September) | Upcoming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseSchedules | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 19:41:58 2016 UTC. | 19:41 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-09-14-19.00.moin.txt | 19:41 |
| sudodus | thanks wxl | 19:41 |
| sudodus | and thanks lynorian | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | thanks y'all | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | sorry I couldn't make it :( | 20:15 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: don't forget to follow up on your actions :) | 20:51 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: and update the agenda wiki while you're at it :) | 20:52 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: if you're really good you'll include the meeting notes in with your emails to the list :) :) :) | 21:04 |
| lynorian | ok installing the debian metapackage just with apt after the mini.iso not from tasksel will not install Xorg drivers | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | lynorian: that is the problem | 21:15 |
| tsimonq2 | "oh, tasksel will just do that" | 21:15 |
| tsimonq2 | and it breaks networking afair | 21:15 |
| tsimonq2 | can you confirm with the lxqt package lynorian ? | 21:15 |
| lynorian | yes I said with just lxqt | 21:16 |
| lynorian | well I installed xorg video drivers in the VM but not the input drivers /facepalm | 21:17 |
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