[17:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: ...
[17:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: so no meeting today?
[17:44] <wxl> tsimonq2: not yet, right?
[17:48] <tsimonq2> ARGH
[17:48] <tsimonq2> I didn't convert correctly
[17:48] <tsimonq2> I can't make it :(
[17:48] <wxl> dude
[17:48] <wxl> AND you didn't email lubuntu-users
[17:49] <tsimonq2> fu
[17:49] <tsimonq2> *fuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[17:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: I personally say screw monthly meetings and figure out a time when we need to talk
[17:50] <wxl> tsimonq2: i disagree.
[17:50] <tsimonq2> well time zones suck
[17:50] <tsimonq2> you agree with that?
[17:51] <wxl> nope, they don't.
[17:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nio and Julien are in Europe
[17:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: keen observation
[17:52] <tsimonq2> we have to coordinate with them
[17:52] <tsimonq2> I'm at school all day
[17:52] <tsimonq2> I want to come to the meetings
[17:52] <tsimonq2> they need to come to the meetings
[17:53] <tsimonq2> so two options: move future meetings back so I can make it, or keep as is and I'll never be able to attend
[17:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: your choice
[17:54] <wxl> i would urge you to propose a different time and day then, that seems reasonable
[17:54] <tsimonq2> ok
[17:54] <wxl> it's not my choice, it's OUR choice
[17:54] <tsimonq2> ah yes
[18:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: anyways, for my agenda items I'l just send emais
[18:01] <tsimonq2> *emails
[18:01] <tsimonq2> no biggie
[18:52] <sudodus> o/
[18:54] <wxl> hey nio
[18:54] <wxl> looks like simon did his time conversions wrong so he'll not be joining us
[18:55] <sudodus> He wrote that he will be late. Is it worse, that he cannot attend at all?
[18:56] <wxl> that's correct
[18:56] <wxl> he's going to email his updates and perhaps suggest another time
[18:57] <sudodus> OK.
[18:57] <wxl> he had most of the stuff on the list
[18:57] <wxl> so this meeting is probably going to be short and boring :)
[18:58] <sudodus> I see
[18:59] <wxl> ok let's get this party started
[19:00] <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 14 September 2016
[19:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:00:10 2016 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:00] <wxl> welcome to our regular Lubuntu meeting
[19:00] <wxl> agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[19:00] <wxl> first thing's first—
[19:01] <wxl> #topic Show of hands to gauge attendance
[19:01] <wxl> o/
[19:01] <sudodus> o/
[19:01] <wxl> yay there's two of us XD
[19:01] <wxl> i'll keep the ball rolling here
[19:02] <wxl> #topic QA
[19:02] <wxl> final beta is due 22 sept
[19:02] <wxl> that said, we should expect to see images early next week
[19:02] <sudodus> So we should announce via the mailing lists, that people should get started with the daily iso files
[19:03] <wxl> no big fires to put out, but that would be wise
[19:03] <wxl> #action wxl will make sure an announcement to the mailing list happens regarding final beta testing upcoming next week
[19:03] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl will make sure an announcement to the mailing list happens regarding final beta testing upcoming next week
[19:04] <sudodus> Hi lynorian
[19:04] <lynorian> I am a little late
[19:04] <wxl> we had images not sync earlier
[19:04] <wxl> that was kind of weird. hadn't run into that before
[19:04] <wxl> if you see anything weird with dailies not being built with today's date, please let me know
[19:05] <wxl> thx to lynorian for pointing that out to me btw
[19:05] <sudodus> I will have time tomorrow (CET) to check the daily iso files.
[19:05] <wxl> we start building at 16:29 UTC btw
[19:06] <wxl> alternates are expected to take 45-50 minutes and desktop about double that
[19:06] <wxl> you can check here for the status of the builds https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/lubuntu
[19:06] <wxl> that doesn't tell you the status of the sync, though
[19:07] <wxl> have to dig into the logs for that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/
[19:07] <wxl> that's just in case you want to know (it's also in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing)
[19:07] <wxl> tl;dr tell me and i'll work with release team to get it fixed
[19:07] <wxl> that's about all i have for QA. any other questions, comments, concerns?
[19:08] <sudodus> not yet ;-)
[19:08] <wxl> ok
[19:08] <wxl> in that case
[19:08] <wxl> #topic donations
[19:08] <lynorian> thanks for those links wxl
[19:08] <wxl> np lynorian :)
[19:08] <wxl> so, i've been trying to explore the option of having a Lubuntu Foundation, much like LXDE
[19:09] <wxl> i contacted the Software Freedom Law Center on the subject and haven't heard back. apparently they're a little slow on the uptake, so i think we need to just be patient
[19:09] <wxl> unfortunately, i'm no expert where it comes to such legalities, so i'm going to continue to keep trying that direction
[19:10] <wxl> however, if anyone knows of anyone that would be willing to help provide advice, maybe a reputable lawyer that understands how this world work across global borders, let me know
[19:10] <wxl> until then, i don't see any clear solution for donations
[19:10] <lynorian> wxl +1
[19:11] <wxl> at the same time, i don't necessarily see an urgent requirement for taking them in
[19:11] <wxl> that said, i think we'll just keep on keeping on
[19:11] <sudodus> Well, I cannot contribute much, I suggest that you continue with the Software Freedom Law Center
[19:11] <wxl> glad to hear that great minds think alike XD
[19:12] <wxl> moving on, i'm going to skip yakkety as all the discussion i have on the subject was in the qa section
[19:12] <wxl> i'm also going to skip tsimonq2's agenda items because he got a little confused by the mathematics of time zone conversions ;)
[19:13] <wxl> needless to say, he's not going to be here
[19:13] <wxl> he did say he would email out what information he has
[19:13] <wxl> he also might suggest different days/times for meetings so he can actually make it
[19:13] <wxl> so nexxt
[19:13] <wxl> #topic wiki
[19:13] <wxl> no new news on the wiki. still looking for someone to play lead.
[19:14] <wxl> please spread the word if you know anyone interested
[19:14] <wxl> i think ideally we need someone who can coordinate a vision for the whole thing, in terms of organization and editing
[19:15] <wxl> i don't think that person necessarily needs to contribute actual content, but of course that would be an additional plus
[19:15] <sudodus> There have been a few people contributing. Any chance some of them can be re-activated?
[19:15] <wxl> you mean bringing some of the old leaders in, sudodus ?
[19:16] <sudodus> Not necessary leaders, but contributors, that might grow into leaders
[19:16] <wxl> sure yeah that would be good
[19:16] <sudodus> Gustavo da Silva for example
[19:16] <wxl> oh i know
[19:16] <wxl> he was awesome
[19:16] <lynorian> yes he was I think he ran out of free time
[19:16] <wxl> unfortunately he's been completely out of touch as lately. life stuff. it happens
[19:16] <lynorian> or something
[19:17] <wxl> that's a good idea though
[19:17] <wxl> maybe i can get some stats on contributors
[19:17] <wxl> #action wxl to look at stats on wiki contributors, in hopes of maybe finding a good team lead?
[19:17] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl to look at stats on wiki contributors, in hopes of maybe finding a good team lead?
[19:18] <wxl> another idea i had, but i'm not sure about it, is perhaps seeking out other documentation teams and seeing if they might have some interest
[19:18] <wxl> i think someone with a good vision could make simple tasks that anyone could just chip away at
[19:18] <wxl> plus we have Google Code-In coming up again and that would be a great opportunity to get those tasks taken care of
[19:19] <wxl> anyone interested in reaching out to the various documentation teams and see if we can dig someone up?
[19:20] <sudodus> I will focus on testing ...
[19:20] <wxl> k well i'll give it a go
[19:20] <sudodus> ... and improving mkusb
[19:20] <wxl> #action wxl to reach out to other documentation teams to perhaps find a lead
[19:20] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl to reach out to other documentation teams to perhaps find a lead
[19:20] <wxl> ok so now we move onto the fun stuff
[19:21] <wxl> #topic LXQt
[19:21] <wxl> i've seen an increasing number of people in irc asking about when it's coming out
[19:21] <wxl> right now there's problems in the metapackages upstream in debian
[19:21] <wxl> we cannot even suggest people install the lxqt or lxqt-core packages right now
[19:22] <lynorian> what are these current problems?
[19:22] <sudodus> I'm not updated on LXQt. How far away is it?
[19:22] <wxl> meanwhile, things are also broken that we can't create an image
[19:22] <wxl> so we're in a bit of a limbo
[19:23] <sudodus> Would it work to install packages into a mini system made from the mini.iso?
[19:23] <wxl> lynorian: i only know this as hearsay from tsimonq2. apparently, there's some disagreement in debian related to taskel. i'm not sure i understand it. tsimonq2 said he'd write a bug on this subject
[19:23] <wxl> suffice it to say, it's a pretty fundamental thing
[19:23] <wxl> not necessarily a "lubuntu" problem, so, no, sudodus, it's broken everywhere
[19:24] <wxl> subsequently, because of this the "lubuntu-qt-desktop" suggestion on the wiki page is kind of broken, too
[19:24] <sudodus> OK
[19:24] <lynorian> I have it iunstalled and somewhat working but the lubuntu session has really bad theming and defualt settings like the runner is not work
[19:24] <wxl> lynorian: from the original wiki page?
[19:25] <wxl> that original wiki page was at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Lubuntu/LXQt which caused confusion for at least one user, so i deleted that
[19:25] <wxl> that original methodology probably does work (untested), but like you said, it's pretty screwed up
[19:26] <wxl> when the debian lxqt metapackages are fixed, then we can probably revise the wiki to allow for that option
[19:27] <wxl> and then if all goes well, (perhaps by the new lxqt release) maybe we'll have an lubuntu-next image built by canonical's servers that people can download and test the developing version of lubuntu with lxqt, including qt apps
[19:27] <wxl> suffice it to say, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt is the number one source of info
[19:27] <wxl> i did have a little talk with tsimonq2 on this subject so i'm going to make him some reminders here:
[19:28] <wxl> #action tsimonq2 make a bug report for the debian lxqt metapackages and email the lubuntu-devel list about the situation
[19:28] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 make a bug report for the debian lxqt metapackages and email the lubuntu-devel list about the situation
[19:28] <wxl> #action tsimonq2 update the LXQt wiki page with more information about the lxqt metapackages
[19:28] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 update the LXQt wiki page with more information about the lxqt metapackages
[19:28] <wxl> any other comments or concerns about lxqt?
[19:28] <lynorian> Getting the runner workin gin default settings
[19:29] <wxl> lynorian: should we ask question again once we at least get an lxqt metapackage?
[19:30] <lynorian> yes
[19:30] <wxl> ok so why don't we do this
[19:30] <sudodus> OK
[19:30] <wxl> #idea once lxqt metapackages are fixed, check if we can get the runner working in default settings
[19:31] <wxl> that's supposed to be a meetingology command
[19:31] <wxl> i guess we'll have to see what happens :/
[19:31] <wxl> #topic anything else
[19:31] <wxl> any thing else on anyone else's mind?
[19:32] <sudodus> Simon was starting to get mkusb into a debian repository. Do you know anything about his progress?
[19:32] <wxl> unfortunately no
[19:32] <wxl> soo
[19:33] <sudodus> I'll ask directly via mail
[19:33] <wxl> #action tsimonq2 to update the mailing list on the status of getting mkusb in debian
[19:33] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to update the mailing list on the status of getting mkusb in debian
[19:33] <wxl> anything new with mkusb, sudodus ?
[19:33] <sudodus> Yes, there are a few new features:
[19:34] <sudodus> 1. separated the usb-pack-efi (by Andre Rodovalho)
[19:35] <sudodus> 2. Made it fix the problem, that some flavours (not Lubuntu) update unattended and fill the casper-rw partition
[19:36] <sudodus> 3. Made it see card readers mounting as mmcblk0
[19:36] <sudodus> #3 is still is early testing stage
[19:36] <wxl> nice
[19:37] <wxl> hoepfully we can get it in debian already!
[19:38] <sudodus> Yes - that would make it easier to install and use (and rely on).
[19:39] <wxl> and i would suspect encourage other flavors to use it
[19:39] <wxl> especially consindering how consistent and reliable it is
[19:40] <wxl> good work as always, sudodus
[19:40] <wxl> with that, i'm going to move to close if everyone else agrees
[19:40] <sudodus> Thanks :-)
[19:41] <sudodus> Ok for me to close the meeting
[19:41] <wxl> alrighty then
[19:41] <wxl> thanks everyone for showing up!
[19:41] <wxl> #endmeeting
[19:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 19:41:58 2016 UTC.
[19:41] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-09-14-19.00.moin.txt
[19:41] <sudodus> thanks wxl
[19:42] <sudodus> and thanks lynorian
[20:15] <tsimonq2> thanks y'all
[20:15] <tsimonq2> sorry I couldn't make it :(
[20:51] <wxl> tsimonq2: don't forget to follow up on your actions :)
[20:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: and update the agenda wiki while you're at it :)
[21:04] <wxl> tsimonq2: if you're really good you'll include the meeting notes in with your emails to the list :) :) :)
[21:06] <lynorian> ok installing the debian metapackage just with apt after the mini.iso not from tasksel will not install Xorg drivers
[21:15] <tsimonq2> lynorian: that is the problem
[21:15] <tsimonq2> "oh, tasksel will just do that"
[21:15] <tsimonq2> and it breaks networking afair
[21:15] <tsimonq2> can you confirm with the lxqt package lynorian ?
[21:16] <lynorian> yes I said with just lxqt
[21:17] <lynorian> well I installed xorg video drivers in the VM but not the input drivers /facepalm