[00:05] f i do, snap find , is that supposed to list all of the snap available? If I run snap find tele, I get telegram, but otherwise it is not in the long list? [00:05] I am trying to just get an exhaustive list of the snaps available to look at them. [01:06] elopio: do you use zsh? how did that idea get formed? [01:06] tsimonq2: I met somebody who uses zsh. [01:06] I have a lot of new friends today ^_^ [01:19] elopio: :D [01:19] elopio: are you at a sprint or something? :P [04:06] ogra_: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/ubuntu-image/pull/63 landed [04:06] PR CanonicalLtd/ubuntu-image#63: Don't build 4GB images, build images as big as the required contents === drizztbsd is now known as timothy [05:31] hello my fellow crafters!!!!!!! [05:34] crickets... === drizztbsd is now known as timothy === drizztbsd is now known as timothy [06:55] ogra_: was just thinking about the recent change to ubuntu image to make the disk only as small as needed. this does mean that if you run it directly in kvm/qemu the first snap you download causes a disk-full error? [06:55] hey hey [06:57] Bug #1623802 opened: snapd does not properly detect service/mount unit status [06:59] pitti: I'm curious why the autopkgtest test runs take so long after an upload, is it because the machines that do the testing are so busy? or is there another reason? [06:59] pitti: (background is my snapd upload from 12h ago that did not yet get run inside adt) [07:03] mvo: yeah, sorry -- look at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running [07:03] mvo: queues got double-Qt'ed yesterday, and the backlog lasted until this morning; s390x and armhf are still catching up [07:05] pitti: it says queue length is "-" for yakkety/amd64, does that mean the queue is empty? [07:05] * pitti orders another Binford 6100 cloud -- we need MORE POWER [07:05] mvo: yes (some amd64 tests are stilll running, though [07:06] pitti: hm, I don't see snapd on the page but there is a new version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/2.14.2+git.1.afda4fc-0ubuntu2 [07:06] pitti: what am I missing :) ? [07:06] mvo: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#snapd ? [07:06] mvo: you are missing the FTBFS on arm64 [07:06] pitti: oh, meh, ok. this got fixed this morning, but I guess that is too late [07:07] pitti: ok, thank you! [07:07] pitti: so that means it will be considered soon :) ? [07:10] mvo: as soon as it builds, yes [07:23] pitti: cool, thanks. it has build ~1h ago, but I guess it takes a bit until the script catches up (or does it need to get published first?) [07:25] mvo: yes, britney only sees published packages [07:25] * mvo nods [07:30] quick noob question, how do I build our kernel in a way that lets me incrementally build / reinstall / reboot while tweaking some things? [07:31] (where what I care about is identical config and initial source as packaged kernel and incremental build after any change) [07:46] PR snapd#1916 opened: backends: first bits of kernel-module security backend [08:00] mvo, yeah, we need a --size option [08:00] so you can define a minimal size [08:01] or allow to pre-create a target img (though thats more ugly) [08:03] ogra_: indeed [08:07] mvo, i see steve added an image_size variable to builder.py, i guess we just need the option at the top level and hand the value over [08:09] ogra_: yeah, I was thinking it would be pretty easy to add [08:10] as a quick hack: os.environ.get('IMAGESIZE') ... ;) [08:10] wouldnt even need an option [08:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23181304/ [08:21] hrm [08:22] i get "Failed to mount /boot/grub." ... even with the beta channel [08:22] oh [08:23] FAT-fs (sda2): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain ... [08:25] hmm, weird, steve didnt touch anything in the vfat creation [08:27] hello guys my app which is written in qt have a functionality like- when user click on open file with editor , it open the loaded file with system editor ex gedit , kwrite or whatever user having as per their configuration . after packaging my app with snap the functionality is broken, are you guys working in it ??? [08:29] am sure there is nothing wrong with my code as you can see this feature in hundreds of other applications out there. snap need to fix this :D [08:29] mvo: snapd tests are queued now [08:30] aha ... using mtools from proposed helps :) [08:30] * ogra_ has a working 500MB kvm image [08:30] mvo: oh, so it wasn't FTBFS, just finished building around that time [08:30] ogra@localhost:~$ df -h /writable [08:30] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [08:30] /dev/sda3 542M 190M 313M 38% /writable [08:31] bull, for now you need to ship the editor you want and tell your app to use this one ... long term i think zyga works on a sensible-editor interface or some such [08:32] ogra_, you mean gedit or kwrite inside snap as stage package ?? [08:32] this will fill snap with almost all kde and gnome dependencies am sure :D [08:32] (i know he does something like this for browsers already, editors should just be a variant of that) [08:32] oh [08:33] bull, yes, i mean that ... just pich one with less deps then [08:33] *pick [08:33] ogra_, my app cant open url in external web browser [08:33] yes, same thing [08:34] ogra_, i have to add sensible- browser in snapcraft yaml ? [08:34] pitti: neat, its running [08:34] pitti: can't wait, I had it down to 1 test failure due to no (non-proxy) network [08:34] no, you would have to add the browser you want ... there is also work on making xdg-open work if your snap runs on a classic system ... not sure where that stands [08:35] pitti: and in qemu its all working perfectly, so fingers crossed [08:35] ogra_, you mean i have to add a browser inside my snap ?? [08:35] damn [08:35] :D [08:35] like chrome or firefox ? [08:35] hypothetically ... [08:35] i'd just wait til the right interfaces are there for that one :) [08:36] thats really funny :P [08:36] and if my app wana talk with snapd installed on user's system ?? [08:36] is there snapd interface coming ? [08:36] you can surely find a lightweight editor and seed that into your derfault config .... i wouldnt expect that for a browser [08:36] for that too :/ [08:37] come-on i don't want change the main aim of my feature [08:37] ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images/snappy$ snap interfaces|grep snapd [08:37] :snapd-control - [08:37] that is already there [08:38] aim of feature is to make user comfort by providing him an option to edit file in his favorite editor not with editor of my choce [08:38] choice [08:38] :P [08:38] yes, that was clear f4rom your first question [08:38] okay [08:39] isnt there yet ... but there are workarounds i pointed out til this landed [08:40] ogra_, if i will add snapd-control in my snapcraft's plugs will it make it work ? [08:40] mvo, so http://paste.ubuntu.com/23181304/ seems to work fine as a quick hack, unless you want to invest time into adding an actual option [08:41] bull, it allows your snap to talk to the REST api of snapd ... so if you implement the right protocol i imagine it will work ... [08:41] * ogra_ has no first hand experience with that API [08:41] my app uses qprocess to call snap , [08:41] ogra_, I have changed my network setting in my p3 to http://paste.ubuntu.com/23181339/, however, after I disconnect my cable, my wifi on the pi3 still cannot get an IP. what could be the problem for it? [08:42] liuxg, sit0 isnt your wlan device :) [08:42] i think it just comes up as wlan0 on the pi [08:43] ogra_, what should be the wlan device? I could not find any other device there [08:43] cat /proc/net/dev ? [08:43] ogra_, yeah, you could be right. thanks. I will check it [08:50] snap looking for a web browser to open a folder what ??? QGenericUnixServices::openUrl(const QUrl&): Unable to detect a web browser to launch '/home/bull/github/' [08:54] PR snapd#1787 closed: overlord/snapstate, daemon, cmd/snap: more explicit revision support [08:54] PR snapd#1834 closed: many: mostly work to support ABA upgrades [08:54] I have a problem with updating my snap in the snapstore. `snap find qownnotes` and https://uappexplorer.com/app/qownnotes.pbek tells me the latest version is 16.09.3, but my package in my https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com account is at 16.09.7 and all releases are published in the channel `stable` as they should be. [08:55] All releases were published automatically by Launchpad. [08:55] pbek, there is an issue with the store ... go to the last releaseed snap in the UI, click unpublish and then click publish again [08:55] pbek, which package you trying ? [08:55] that will make it show up [08:55] the fix for this should land today or tomorrow [08:56] ogra_: I get a `504 Gateway Time-out` when I try that :) [08:56] bull: qownnotes [08:56] uh [08:57] ogra_: but it was unpublished [08:57] pbek, does it work out-of-box as a snap ? [08:58] bull: what do you mean by that? [08:58] i will check that myself by installing it [08:59] ty [08:59] ogra_: thank you, 16.09.7 is now visible [08:59] :) [08:59] * ogra_ has to do the same every morning for all ubuntu-core snaps :) [08:59] pbek, like most of apps dont seem to work fine with after packed in snap :D [09:00] * ogra_ found that most apps do work fine ... [09:00] ogra_, if I have this error "error: cannot install snap file: snap "piglow-app" has changes in progress". how can I correct this situation? [09:00] really depends how complex that app is :) [09:00] ogra_: that explains why noone updated QOwnNotes for some time :) [09:00] ogra_, I have seen this kind of errors a number of times. but sometimes it disappears. [09:00] liuxg, snap changes ... find the change in progress ... snap abort $change_number [09:01] bull: oh, I had to do quite some work to make it happen... and there are still some issues [09:01] ogra_, a package management system should not worry about how developer made their app :D\ [09:02] every package management system does that [09:02] they worry about what functionality developer providing ?? [09:03] i think no [09:03] pitti: interessting failure of adt on armhf - there is no sshd config there, is armhf driven via something else than ssh in adt? [09:03] they have to make integration work [09:03] ogra_, how to find the change number in the system? [09:03] they need to install packaged stuffs to place :D [09:03] nothing more then this [09:03] liuxg, ? [09:03] mvo: yes, armhf and s390x run in lxc; we don't have these arches in scalingstack [09:03] liuxg, does snap changes not show it ? [09:03] snap is different case a sure :D [09:04] bull, how many deb or rpm packages have you built from scratch ? [09:04] + sed -i s/$PermitRootLogin\|PasswordAuthentication$\>.*/\1 yes/ /etc/ssh/sshd_config [09:04] o_O [09:04] ogra_, yeah, I cannot find anything about it. it seems that it is broken http://paste.ubuntu.com/23181393/ [09:04] liuxg, thats snap list [09:04] ogra_, i made more then 20 debs [09:04] from scratch [09:04] ogra_, yeah, that is the list. I try to remove it, it refuses to do that. [09:05] and they all were in ubuntu software center [09:05] bull, from scratch ? into the official archive, matching all integration requirements to make then safely work ? [09:05] pitti: ta [09:05] *them [09:05] not in official archives [09:05] bull: just making debs for QOwnNotes drove me nuts :) [09:05] i.e. following the debian packaging policy ... [09:05] ogra_, is there anyway to find the changes, and cancel it? [09:05] mvo: the tests want to ssh to localhost via password? 3v1l :) [09:05] With the git source-type, is it possible to pull a specific commit? I can use source-tag, and source-branch... but how do I get a commit? [09:05] (in snapcraft) [09:05] ogra_, apps in store don't follow debian policies? [09:06] liuxg, again ... snap changes ... find the change in progress ... snap abort $change_number [09:06] ogra_, ok. thanks [09:06] bull, they get a security check ... thats all i think [09:07] ogra_, snap abort change-id for a install process wont abort process until snap download the full package that is a bug [09:07] thiough support for this was dropped lng ago since the review was way to time consuming [09:07] hmm [09:08] ogra_, snap abort change-id for a install process wont abort process until snap download the full package that is a bug !! plz check it [09:09] bull: we know, we know about the bug [09:09] yes, you complained about this for several days, several times a day ... [09:09] hard to not notice :P [09:09] several times a day ?? [09:09] lol [09:09] i was just reminding :P liuxg [09:10] popey, yeah we tested it :P [09:10] bull, yeah, it takes 3 mins to remove a snap. [09:11] liuxg, not about removing snap man , it was about to kill a install process . snap wont kill install process untill it download the whole package === drizztbsd is now known as timothy [09:11] * ogra_ sighs and goes for brakfast [09:11] liuxg, I am still waiting for the completion of the command. I am sideload a snap. it is not downloading. [09:12] liuxg, use snapcraft-gui [09:12] it has package manager to manage snaps [09:13] bull, snapgraft-gui is a desktop app, right? is it in the store already? [09:13] no [09:13] it is here https://github.com/snapcraft-gui/snapcraft-gui [09:13] repo coming soon [09:13] i developed it :P [09:14] with all convenience for snap user in mind [09:14] you can write recipes and make snaps , with clicks [09:14] bull, thanks for letting me know. I will try it later on. [09:15] okay [09:16] ii was having lp ppa but tsimonq2 said he will make new one with better sourcebuild features so we deleted old one [09:19] liuxg, so what does "snap changes" show you [09:19] (gimme a pastebin) [09:25] QSqlError("", "Driver not loaded", "Driver not loaded") [09:25] QSqlQuery::prepare: database not open [09:27] ogra_, can we have access to partitions of hard disk ?? i cant see any such things in the file dialog [09:28] there is the home interface [09:28] home interface show partitions too ? [09:28] no, only files in home [09:28] there is no way to get such sensible info yet [09:29] like partitions ... [09:29] wow [09:29] thats why i cant load music from mymusic partition using vlc [09:30] bind mount it under your home somewhere ... i.e. into ~/Music [09:31] ogra_, how :( [09:31] by bind mounting ? [09:31] yea [09:32] ogra_, we have to do it manually before using vlc ? [09:32] fi you put your music into exotic places you have to make it available in a common place first, yes [09:33] :D [09:33] i have no probs with vlc here [09:33] exotic places :P ? [09:34] (and i think 90% of users wont) [09:34] you put music in home /music ? [09:34] yes [09:34] cool [09:34] some people do use partitions and external hd [09:35] good for them [09:35] PR snapd#1917 opened: tests: ensure openssh-server is installed in autopkgtest [09:35] not good for them if they dont know how to load music in vlc [09:35] people will ditch whole ubuntu for vlc :D [09:36] if it will not fixed and snap will be default format :D [09:36] * ogra_ goes away for a few hourst ... i really cant take it anymore [09:36] *some people [09:37] ogra_, LOL [09:37] not funny, really [09:37] yeah i have seen cases [09:38] if you have something constructive to tell me, fine ... if you find a bug, please file it ... but dont rave about it for hours [09:44] hi [09:44] tsimonq2, hi [09:46] with button icons is it looking sexy > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/snapcraft-gui/snapcraft-gui/master/screenshots/sc1.png [09:56] PR snapd#1918 opened: spread.yaml, tests: add adhoc-ubuntu-core spread backend === drizztbsd is now known as timothy [10:16] sergiusens, any idea why I can get this message when creating a snap? : "Copying needed target link from the system /dev/null" [10:16] sergiusens, it created a prime/dev/null file [10:16] which provoked some issues until I noticed [10:18] mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23181669/ works (not actually more beautiful but i get an extra 500MB when i set WIGGLEROOM=500) [10:34] PR snapd#1919 opened: tests: make ubuntu-core tests more robust [10:34] ogra_: ok [10:35] mvo, oh, and ouch ... we build the core snap against proposed ... [10:35] mvo, but -proposed isnt in the sources.list ... [10:35] i currently can not install vim in classic due to that [10:35] (in the classic shell i mean) [10:36] mvo, should i stop using proposed during imagge build or should we add proposed to sources.list ? [10:39] ogra_: I think stop using proposed is best [10:39] ok [10:39] ogra_: we can also sed it out in classic.create [10:39] (for now) [10:39] lets see if that builds :) [10:39] but I think !-proposed is best [10:39] * ogra_ drops it and does a test build [10:48] pitti: hm, snapd (latest version)vanished from the running page for amd64 but it did not appear on the results page yet. is there a (cron) delay or something? [10:51] mvo: wow, watching it like a hawk, aren't you :) -- there's ~ 5 minutes cron delay indeed [10:51] mvo: still running on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-snapd though on some arches [10:52] mvo: could also be testbed failure, I'll check the logs in a minute [10:52] PR snapd#1920 opened: --lazy is only available with -l in trusty [10:57] pitti: can we configure netplan to generate wifi settings files via NetworkManager and ethernet ones via networkd depending on some flag we put somewhere? [10:57] morphis__: that is the default mode indeed [10:57] oh really? [10:57] morphis__: oh wait, actually not any more, default is networkd [10:57] can we change that somehow? [10:57] morphis__: it used to be NM for wifi until I taught it to do wifi via networkd+wpasupplicant [10:58] morphis__: anyway, you can select the backed for every individual definition, yes [10:58] renderer: NetworkManager|networkd, see the manpage [10:58] pitti: and how can we change that on Ubuntu Core, not sure what configures this globally [10:58] or would that be a thing console-conf has to know about? [10:58] but please dont make NM a hard requirement [10:58] you can specify the renderer globally, by device type, or by individual definition [10:59] and you can put it into a separate yaml snippet [10:59] if it isnt installed on an image it netpplan needs to fall back to using wpa-supplicant [10:59] it normally detects the availability [10:59] ok [10:59] ogra_: no :-) [10:59] :P [10:59] but if you say "use NM" and NM is not installed, those definitions wil just fail [10:59] pitti: I see [10:59] right ... [11:00] pitti: where do I specify the renderer globally? [11:00] morphis__: at the global yaml level, right under the top-level "network:" (again, see manpage) [11:01] pitti, btw, my network setup on the pi3 now goes really mad ... i'm not yet sure if thats netplan or console-conf that is at fault ... console-conf offers me both interfaces (wired and wireless) but i always end up with only wired usable [11:02] it works just fine on the dragonboard where i only have a wlan interface ... but having both makes something go mad [11:02] pitti: thanks [11:03] ogra_: there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subiquity/+bug/1623756 in this area [11:03] Bug #1623756: console-conf generates invalid config when wifi is not configured [11:03] mwhudson, oh, thanks ! [11:03] yeah, i wanted to file that one but collect some more data ... just got distracted from it [11:04] just sent a PR with a presumed fix, really need to get the repo made public now... [11:04] mwhudson, though mine is slightly different ... i actually configure it with ssid and it even obtains an IP [11:04] ogra_: ah ok [11:05] it still tries to use wired though ... evven if i say "dont configure" [11:05] * ogra_ will collect more data first ... perhaps it is the same cause, who knows [11:05] ah hm [11:05] yeah, that's certainly possible [11:06] although if the wired interface is up, you remove it from the config entirely and run netplan apply, i don't know if the interface would be taken down [11:06] pitti: would know [11:07] well, if there is no cable, it should not be tried at all [11:07] no, apply doesn't currently down interfaces which are up [11:07] oh [11:07] not sure if netplan takes mii state into account here [11:07] seemed too dangerous to me [11:07] if we want/need that, bug report please [11:08] ogra_: you mean up, but no link beat? [11:08] ogra_: how can you tell that it's being tried? sorry it's late here and i'm probably being dense [11:08] I guess we can safely twiddle those too [11:09] "netplan --debug apply" might be useful [11:09] Snapcraft GUI version 2.0 released with everything working :P download .deb here https://github.com/snapcraft-gui/snapcraft-gui/releases/tag/2.0 [11:09] pitti, i mean when i boot i get offered to configure eth0 in console-conf even if there is no cable plugged in ... it shouldnt offer that i think [11:09] hmm [11:09] ogra_: there are routers with broken link beat [11:09] or wifi devices have no link until you connect to an AP [11:10] hmm, yeah [11:10] so I'm not sure if that's so obvious [11:10] it coudl certainly tell you that [11:10] en1 (disconnected) [11:10] yeah, i guess something like that in the UI would already help [11:10] PR snapd#1921 opened: Replace systemd-run with on-the-fly generation of units [11:15] ogra_: sounds good, bug pls [11:16] yay ... [11:16] * ogra_ can install vim again [11:20] Bug #1623897 opened: console-conf should show if wired interfaces are connected [11:20] mwhudson, ^^ [11:24] ogra_: thanks [11:24] * mwhudson zzz [11:25] sleep well [11:25] PR snapd#1922 opened: Use apt in accordance with functionality available on trusty [11:33] is snapweb currently working already? [11:36] PR snapd#1923 opened: Replace realpath with readlink -f for trusty support [11:47] liuxg, checkout https://github.com/snapcraft-gui/snapcraft-gui/releases/tag/2.0 [11:48] bull, it looks very nice. I will promote it in my place to the community :) [11:48] ty [11:49] liuxg, please create issue if you want any changes , and finds any bug [11:49] bull sure, I will do that. it is actually my strong point :) [11:50] bull, in fact, I had thought of doing this some time ago :) it is really a nice work. [11:50] thanks :) i hope you have found the project page already [11:50] hmm [12:03] PR snapd#1917 closed: tests: ensure openssh-server is installed in autopkgtest [12:03] PR snapd#1919 closed: tests: make ubuntu-core tests more robust [12:04] PR snapd#1915 closed: tests: add http_proxy to /etc/environment in the autopkgtest environment [12:04] PR snapd#1916 closed: backends: first bits of kernel-module security backend [12:08] PR snapd#1924 opened: tests: disable prepare-image-grub test in autopkgtest [12:10] mwhudson: do you happen to know what is the deal with govendor(ing) and gccgo? it seems to be not supported in 16.04 or am I just using it wrong? [12:11] may I know how to stop auto-update in the background? previously I could use config to disable it. [12:11] mvo: you have a few i386 and amd64 logs now [12:12] mwhudson: aha, I see you commented already, thank you! [12:13] pitti: ha! close [12:13] pitti: still one failure [12:13] PR snapd#1925 opened: Adjust regex to account for changes in stat output [12:14] PR snapcraft#803 closed: Do not run the bootstrap directory as a script (autotools plugin) [12:14] PR snapd#1924 closed: tests: disable prepare-image-grub test in autopkgtest [12:15] pitti: hm, i386 is strange it says ppa:snappy-dev/image can not be added (it does not exist). this worked on the amd64 run [12:16] abeato oh, neat! ldd for one of your elf files has that. [12:16] abeato care to fgure out which one? [12:16] sergiusens, lol [12:16] PR snapd#1926 opened: tests: add https_proxy into environment as well