| pitti | Good morning | 05:42 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:18 |
| TheMuso | Hey willcooke. | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey TheMuso, willcooke | 08:07 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:07 |
| davmor2 | seb128: in deja dupe there is a drop down option which shows what is happening, that used to take most of the rest of the window however now in 16.10 it uses a single line instead any clue as to what would cause that, I think it is the same with the updater where you can open the terminal to see what it is doing but let me double check on that | 08:14 |
| seb128 | davmor2, likely a side effect of the new GTK but it's the individual components that need to be updated to specify a min height or something, so please open a bug against deja-dup (and same for updater if needed) | 08:16 |
| seb128 | davmor2, willcooke, did we speak about tagging those bugs? rls-y-incoming would make sense? | 08:17 |
| davmor2 | seb128: yes so if you open software updater and and click on details on the installing updates page you can see the issue too so I think it is an element rather than deja dupe itself | 08:18 |
| seb128 | no | 08:18 |
| seb128 | it's new gtk forcing you to specify the height you want for that widget when yo use it | 08:18 |
| seb128 | they use the same widget | 08:19 |
| seb128 | but needs to be fixed in each codebase | 08:19 |
| davmor2 | seb128: oh okay so do I file one bug and update it with new projects when I hit them then? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | no please don't do that | 08:20 |
| seb128 | just open a bug on deja dup describing the issue | 08:20 |
| seb128 | then one on update-manager | 08:20 |
| davmor2 | seb128: right no worries | 08:20 |
| seb128 | the "use one bugs and collect for similar things that have nothing to do" just creates spam | 08:20 |
| seb128 | like the update-manager maintainer fix his code and then keep receiving emails about similar bugs in other projects he doesn't care about | 08:21 |
| seb128 | fixes | 08:21 |
| happyaron | seb128: hey, mind to have a look at n-m? the 1.2.4 thing | 08:23 |
| seb128 | happyaron, sure, it's in git? let me check, but you should probably go through normal sponsoring for those so more people can review and it's visible that something is waiting | 08:24 |
| happyaron | ic | 08:24 |
| seb128 | you might also get some people vouching for you over time to give you ppu for it ;-) | 08:24 |
| happyaron | yep | 08:24 |
| seb128 | happyaron, what's the difference between patches "dropped" and "merged"? | 08:26 |
| happyaron | dropped is not needed (due to design change upstream), merged is for those are almost directly merged upstream | 08:27 |
| seb128 | k | 08:27 |
| seb128 | would probably nice in the dropped case to have a small explanation of why they are not needed anymore | 08:28 |
| happyaron | ok | 08:28 |
| duflu | pitti, Saviq: Can we increase the unity8.log.* files that apport attaches? Seems like that log is always so big it's already rotated so the useful info is missing | 08:31 |
| duflu | Never goes back as far as Unity8 starting up | 08:31 |
| pitti | you mean attach the first rotated log too? sure, the apport hook can do this | 08:32 |
| seb128 | happyaron, systemd-Don-t-enable-NetworkManager-wait-online.serv.patch seems new and no documented in the changelog? | 08:32 |
| duflu | pitti: Yes I think the first one will do thanks | 08:33 |
| duflu | tjaalton: Hey found a second regression from Mesa 12.0.2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1620994 | 08:33 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1620994 in mesa (Ubuntu) "EGL clients with SIGSEGV in dri2_destroy_context() (from eglDestroyContext or eglTerminate)" [Undecided,New] | 08:33 |
| duflu | Seems 12.0.2 is very bad for Unity8 | 08:33 |
| pitti | seb128, happyaron: that's an old Debian patch which we dropped (deliberately); please keep it dropped | 08:33 |
| happyaron | seb128: lemme have a look of it | 08:33 |
| happyaron | pitti: ok | 08:34 |
| pitti | happyaron: i. e. we do want to enable NM-wait-online | 08:34 |
| seb128 | happyaron, there are 3 other new patches added to the serie, those at least need to be documented in the changelog | 08:34 |
| happyaron | others should be renamed ones, I'll make a list later in changelog | 08:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, "we" and "when"? it's still in the current archive version and the change is undocumented in the debian/changelog | 08:35 |
| seb128 | happyaron, can you please stop renaming patches? | 08:35 |
| seb128 | that just makes reviews difficult for no good reasons | 08:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, sorry, I read what you said in reverse | 08:36 |
| seb128 | so yeah, shouldn't be added back? | 08:36 |
| seb128 | happyaron, ^ | 08:36 |
| pitti | seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.1.93-0ubuntu4 was the last time it was brought back | 08:36 |
| seb128 | happyaron, but bottom line is that every change in the patches set (so basically in the series) should be documented in the changelog | 08:37 |
| seb128 | either it's a rename or a patch added/removed there is always a reason | 08:37 |
| seb128 | seems it was added back in https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=38a52be23a88226fc255332d6d1bd2b440bc8b5b | 08:38 |
| happyaron | I see | 08:38 |
| seb128 | happyaron, did you talk to cyphermox about removing Filter-DNS-servers-to-add-to-dnsmasq-based-on-availa.patch | 08:39 |
| seb128 | or debian/patches/Order-IPv6-nameservers-before-IPv4-for-dns-plugins-d.patch | 08:39 |
| seb128 | it's a bit annoying | 08:39 |
| seb128 | those have no bug reference neither upstream or downstream | 08:39 |
| seb128 | no cookie for c_yphermox | 08:40 |
| pitti | seb128, happyaron: oh, sorry; debian/patches/systemd-Don-t-enable-NetworkManager-wait-online.serv.patch actually looks intended, *if* we still actually enable it via WantedBy; well, the net result is: we want NM-wait-online.service, and with as little delta to Debian as possible (dropping the dh_installinit override was easiest) | 08:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, it looks like the patch might not be new, just that this git gbp workflow keeps renaming patching | 08:41 |
| seb128 | which is really annoying for reviews | 08:41 |
| pitti | hm, how's that? | 08:41 |
| seb128 | I don't know, I don't use it | 08:41 |
| pitti | I see how they would get renamed *once* after moving from plain quilt to gbp | 08:41 |
| seb128 | but patches keep getting renamed and according to happyaron it's because of the tools | 08:41 |
| pitti | but there is zero reason that they would randomly get renamed again | 08:41 |
| happyaron | seb128: I have different view on the debian/patches/Order-IPv6-nameservers-before-IPv4-for-dns-plugins-d.patch to him, since that behaviour isn't performing good because of the DNS thing | 08:41 |
| pitti | unless you acually change the commit messages | 08:42 |
| happyaron | seb128: I'll make sure they don't get renamed from 1.2.4 | 08:42 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:42 |
| seb128 | happyaron, why did they got renamed in that update? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | can we just revert that rename? | 08:42 |
| pitti | well, do a clean import/export so that there is no "git diff" or renames, and from then on keep it clean | 08:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=38a52be23a88226fc255332d6d1bd2b440bc8b5b is typically what happyaron get at every new version update | 08:43 |
| seb128 | unsure how/why | 08:44 |
| * seb128 is not familiar with git gbp | 08:44 | |
| seb128 | but e.g Don-t-block-network.target-on-NetworkManager-wait-on.patch got renamed to systemd-Don-t-enable-NetworkManager-wait-online.serv.patch for whatever reason | 08:44 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, where's the rename? | 08:44 |
| pitti | ah | 08:44 |
| pitti | hm, looks like that got done on the Debian side? | 08:45 |
| seb128 | but that's not a merge on debian or anything like that | 08:45 |
| seb128 | the commit is "Update patches for new upstream release" | 08:45 |
| seb128 | see https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu | 08:46 |
| pitti | -Subject: Don't block network.target on NetworkManager-wait-online.service | 08:46 |
| pitti | +Subject: systemd: Don't enable NetworkManager-wait-online.service statically | 08:46 |
| pitti | well, someone changed the commit message | 08:46 |
| seb128 | k, maybe it's a undocumented rebase | 08:46 |
| pitti | no | 08:46 |
| pitti | rebases don't change commit messages | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I think the bottom line is that changelog is underdocumenting what is being done | 08:47 |
| pitti | some*one*, not some*thing* | 08:47 |
| seb128 | well maybe debian did change the commit message | 08:47 |
| seb128 | and happyaron is basing is work on their branch | 08:47 |
| pitti | isn't debian on 1.4 already? | 08:47 |
| seb128 | so is getting those changes | 08:47 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:47 |
| pitti | (which would really be nice to get, FWIW -- upstream merged our huge ofono patches, it drops the dependency to isc-dhcp-client, etc.) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | we are not going to do an "update n-m the week before release" this cycle again, are we? ;-) | 08:48 |
| happyaron | I talked with willcook_e earlier and he sugguested me to keep 1.2 this cycle.. | 08:48 |
| seb128 | yeah, we should have updated to 1.3 mid-cycle | 08:48 |
| seb128 | but that didn't get done | 08:49 |
| seb128 | so now is late imho | 08:49 |
| pitti | seb128: you are right, we still need to wait a month before we upgrade :) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:49 |
| happyaron | well, /me is talking with him again atm guys | 08:49 |
| seb128 | keep 1.2 for this cycle | 08:49 |
| seb128 | we have enough things that are behind and need to land we fixed | 08:49 |
| seb128 | including fallout from new gtk | 08:49 |
| seb128 | systemd user session not done yet | 08:49 |
| seb128 | unity8 to get on the iso still | 08:49 |
| seb128 | yakkety has an edgy feeling | 08:50 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:50 |
| pitti | eft eft eft! | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:50 |
| seb128 | using linux is depressing some days | 09:32 |
| seb128 | that laptop worked so nicely in trusty | 09:32 |
| seb128 | now can't vt switch without getting the intel to the gpu lock of the xorg session to close or something | 09:33 |
| willcooke | errrrr | 10:15 |
| willcooke | suddenly I can't resize windows | 10:15 |
| willcooke | brb | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | seb128, willcooke: can either of you boot from todays iso on kvm? | 10:16 |
| willcooke | fixed by restarting session | 10:16 |
| willcooke | meh | 10:16 |
| willcooke | davmor2, haven't tried today yet | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | I just get a text cursor in the middle of a black screen, seems to be fine on hardware though | 10:17 |
| willcooke | davmor2, that's at the point it tries to start the live session or the installer bit? | 10:18 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: it's the point in uefi that shows you the uefi menu | 10:18 |
| davmor2 | I'll try without uefi | 10:19 |
| willcooke | plan | 10:19 |
| davmor2 | so it works without uefi hmmm | 10:20 |
| davmor2 | So I'm now using the newer OVFM from 16.10 same thing blank screen text cursor so there is a problem there for kvm | 10:31 |
| seb128 | davmor2, I'm using virtualbox and it works fine for me (but no uefi on this machine) | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | seb128: yeah kvm with -boot d work kvm with -pflash OVMF_CODE.fd doesn't | 11:28 |
| cyphermox | good morning! | 12:40 |
| seb128 | hey cyphermox, how are you? | 12:49 |
| cyphermox | good, you? | 12:51 |
| seb128 | good, waiting for days to get a bit cooler again though, over 30°C is not nice to work | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | dont you already have the thunderstorms down there in france ? | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | (they are announced for tomorrow in germany and come from the south) | 12:52 |
| cyphermox | seb128: I know what you mean, the weather is just starting to be a little cooler, and every day after work I'm neck deep in renovations | 12:54 |
| cyphermox | to say that it's hot to work is an understatement | 12:54 |
| seb128 | bit of patience, winter is coming, then we can complain it's too cold ;-) | 12:57 |
| ogra_ | \o/ | 12:57 |
| * ogra_ imagines seb128 in a black fur coat with large sword with wolf handle ... | 12:58 | |
| seb128 | ogra_, but yeah, most of france got rain&co so it's getting better | 12:58 |
| seb128 | but most of the week was hot summer like | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | yeah, same here | 12:59 |
| ogra_ | 30+ .... | 12:59 |
| andyrock | morning | 13:17 |
| seb128 | andyrock, evening! | 13:17 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 13:18 |
| andyrock | :D | 13:18 |
| andyrock | where there is still sun | 13:18 |
| seb128 | is sun still going up? ;-) | 13:18 |
| andyrock | well not | 13:22 |
| andyrock | so good evenging | 13:22 |
| seb128 | andyrock, joke aside, how are you? is it hot summer still for you as well? | 13:51 |
| andyrock | not anymore | 13:52 |
| seb128 | lucky you ;-) | 13:53 |
| seb128 | going for some exercice | 14:10 |
| seb128 | bbl | 14:10 |
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| davmor2 | willcooke, seb128: hmmm I think we might have issues with bluetooth between unity 7/8 I can't get a simple speaker to show up in either but it does on tablet and phone | 17:45 |
| seb128 | was it working in u7 before you installed extra things? | 17:46 |
| willcooke | davmor2, could it be related to airplane mode from U8 having switched off BT? | 17:46 |
| willcooke | just testing on a vanilla Y | 17:47 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: it's turned back on but I can test via cli | 17:47 |
| davmor2 | one second | 17:47 |
| willcooke | ok, with the u8-desktop-session-mir meta package from universe installed | 17:50 |
| willcooke | I can see a BT speaker and connect to it in U7 | 17:50 |
| willcooke | however, playing back audio from it fails | 17:51 |
| willcooke | and if I try and play a video it hangs until I switch back the audio to the internal soundcard | 17:51 |
| willcooke | so yes, we have a problem, but I think it's a different one | 17:51 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: koza has some work ahead of him then :D | 17:51 |
| willcooke | heh, poor chap | 17:52 |
| willcooke | davmor2, I'm not sure where to log this one, against BlueZ or pulse. Start with Bluez you think? | 17:59 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: always start at the top of the stack and then let koza blame jhodapp :) | 18:01 |
| flocculant | jbicha: not sure how involved with Ubuntu Gnome you are, but it's affected by bug 1617711 - makes it hard to read the resize screen for the older people amongst us ;) | 18:35 |
| ubot5 | bug 1617711 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Resize screen hard to read" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617711 | 18:35 |
| jhodapp | willcooke: I'm always the catch-all bucket for davmor2's woes ;) | 18:56 |
| willcooke | jhodapp, thanks! It's on TheMuso's list, so will catch up with him about it first. | 18:56 |
| jhodapp | davmor2, willcooke: bring your device with you to the next sprint | 18:57 |
| willcooke | jhodapp, :) need it fixing before release really | 18:57 |
| jhodapp | koza will be doing a BT hackathon after hours and he promises Polish beer | 18:57 |
| * willcooke gathers his devices | 18:58 | |
| willcooke | :) | 18:58 |
| jhodapp | willcooke, what's the issue exactly? | 18:58 |
| willcooke | jhodapp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1608820 | 18:58 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1608820 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Cannot use BT speaker - sink is suspended" [Undecided,In progress] | 18:58 |
| jhodapp | willcooke, does it work with the phone? | 18:59 |
| willcooke | jhodapp, probably. this is for desktop 16.10 | 18:59 |
| jhodapp | willcooke, right, I am curious as I've seen some issues from watching koza where it's been a difference sometimes between bluez versions and kernel drivers between desktop and phone | 19:00 |
| jhodapp | willcooke, so if it works on one, that actually makes it a lot easier to fix for the other | 19:00 |
| willcooke | jhodapp, oki, good to kow | 19:01 |
| willcooke | know | 19:01 |
| willcooke | thanks | 19:01 |
| jhodapp | np | 19:01 |
| seb128 | k, calling it a week (I've a vac day tomorrow), have a nice w.e desktopers | 19:45 |
| flocculant | seb128: have a good one :) | 19:45 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 19:45 |
| a1fa | whats the easiest way to wipe gnome from system (16.10) apt-get remove --auto-remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop just removes two packages, gnome-shell is still there | 20:57 |
| dobey | a1fa: you'd want autoremove --purge ubuntu-gnome-desktop and then probably need to do another apt-get autoremove --purge after to catch some additional packages | 21:18 |
| a1fa | dobey: it didnt do it for me | 21:19 |
| a1fa | dobey: i ended up doing apt-get purge *gnome* | 21:19 |
| dobey | well unity7 requires some gnome packages, so that won't be good either | 21:20 |
| a1fa | i purged unity7 at the moment | 21:20 |
| a1fa | trying to see how much i can purge before reinstalling a desktop enviroment | 21:20 |
| a1fa | wish there was a command to strip everything down to base | 21:21 |
| sarnold | gtk? gdk? | 21:26 |
| jbicha | a1fa: honestly, a reinstall of the desktop you like is probably the easiest | 21:29 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu differs from Debian in that we don't want users who remove a metapackage to also get most of their desktop autoremoved | 21:30 |
| a1fa | i see that ;) | 21:32 |
| jbicha | or you can look in your apt logs to see what packages were installed when you installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop and remove those | 21:32 |
| a1fa | well, i am using ubuntu-desktop-16.10 test isos | 21:32 |
| a1fa | so it came pre-bundled with gnome | 21:32 |
| jbicha | ? | 21:32 |
| a1fa | not sure why that was | 21:33 |
| jbicha | I think you downloaded the wrong iso, try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 21:33 |
| a1fa | yakkety-desktop-amd64.iso d01dda0162bb572c21f2827dd3e0c01c | 21:33 |
| jbicha | yeah, that's Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Beta 1 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/yakkety/beta-1/MD5SUMS | 21:34 |
| a1fa | odd - well, i think i got everything purged, and stuff reinstalled | 21:35 |
| a1fa | now its a matter of finding out if its fixed. if not, i'll reinstall with new iso | 21:35 |
| jbicha | I really recommend you just reinstall; I don't recommend trying to turn Ubuntu GNOME into Ubuntu (Unity) | 21:36 |
| a1fa | yeah, compiz keeps crashing ;( | 21:37 |
| a1fa | i wanted to try unity8 | 21:37 |
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