[02:16] <joker__> Guys
[02:17] <joker__> Can i ask a question
[02:36] <duflu> Hmm, so many people don't hang around for an answer
[02:36] <duflu> I guess this is a relatively quiet timezone for Canonical employees
[03:24] <lpotter> indeed
[04:59] <golmerivzeik> Hello
[05:00] <golmerivzeik> Anybody tried installing ubuntu touch on a lo wend android phone like samsung galaxy ace
[05:04] <JasonD> Do we know when ota13 is out?
[05:08] <JasonD> Lowest I had it on was the Nexus before the Nexus 4, it was underpowered then, but also the software has come on alot, but I'm not sure I'd put the effort in to get in on an Ace
[05:12] <duflu> JasonD: Actually "low power" is not an accurate measure. I think on paper you will find Nexus 4 is lower power than our other phones, but for software/kernel reasons it sometimes performs better
[05:12] <duflu> Doesn't look as nice tho
[05:13] <duflu> JasonD: Also, watch this space/date: https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[05:15] <JasonD> Interesting duflu, I bought a Nexus, then a Nexus 4 when the previous Nexus got dropped. The Nexus 4 performance has definitely got better with updates
[05:15] <duflu> JasonD: Certainly we are making performance improvements in the software over time
[05:15] <JasonD> But the Galaxy Ace is way under powered even compared to the original Nexus that UT was first used?
[05:16] <duflu> I don't think "way under powered" would ever be a show stopper. Just might give lower frame rates
[05:17] <JasonD> Fair enough, not sure you would use it as a daily driver then...
[05:18] <JasonD> tho...
[05:18] <duflu> Also to be fair, if you put the Nexus 4 internals under the high res screen of a Meizu then you might find it doesn't do as well
[05:19] <JasonD> True
[05:19] <JasonD> So looks like targeted date is 19th, thx
[05:19] <JasonD> for ota 13
[08:48] <lorenzo_> hi, when will be released the update ota 13?
[08:53] <duflu> lorenzo_: This says the 19th, but not guaranteed: https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[09:08] <nzzane_> Hey everyone, Just a quick question (Building ubuntu touch) What / where are the "Hardware specific git" files located?
[10:39] <jgdx> mardy, hey, how's it going?
[10:42] <mardy> jgdx: hi! all, is good, thanks
[10:42] <jgdx> mardy, did you get to take a look at the mp from yesterday?
[10:43] <mardy> jgdx: no, actually I haven't checked any MPs yet
[10:43] <mardy> jgdx: will do soon
[10:44] <jgdx> okay
[10:47] <faenil> zsombi: DanChapman is looking for resizable columns without any page-tree behaviour like APL. Is SplitView going to help with that?
[10:47] <zsombi> faenil: yes, but that is a labs API!
[10:48] <zsombi> so he should be careful with using it
[10:48] <faenil> zsombi: he doesn't mind, if I know him well enough :D
[10:48] <zsombi> faenil: ok, but the API may break any time!
[10:48] <zsombi> faenil: and we mean it!
[10:48] <faenil> we mean it!
[10:48] <faenil> o/
[10:50] <DanChapman> zsombi: OH! i want to try it :-D I'd like to eventually replace my custom solution in Dekko. I'm fine with experimental atm as i won't be replacing it right now anyway.
[10:51] <DanChapman> zsombi: so is the module Ubuntu.Components.Labs ?
[10:51] <zsombi> DanChapman: ok, feel free to try it, Labs is there for that, but do not release your app with it!
[10:51] <zsombi> DanChapman: yes
[10:51] <zsombi> 1.0
[10:51] <DanChapman> heh i won't :-) Thanks!
[10:51] <faenil> why not release the app? as lons as he's aware that the app might stop working anytime
[10:53] <faenil> zsombi: SplitView doesn't do resizable rows as well, does it?
[10:57] <zsombi> faenil: yet it does only vertical splits
[10:57] <zsombi> faenil: but it should do horizontal ones too
[10:57] <faenil> zsombi: ok, I guess that will be DanChapman's feature request bug :)
[10:58] <zsombi> faenil: DanChapman: yet I prepared it for the optimized APL prerequisite, but yes, horizontal splits is the natural next thing to it :)
[11:02] <DanChapman> zsombi: awesome! vertical splits will be really handy for me. Have you got a bug filed for this already so i can follow? or want me to file one?
[11:02] <zsombi> DanChapman: you mean horizontal splits...
[11:02] <DanChapman> bah yeah that
[11:02] <DanChapman> :_D
[11:45] <mardy> jgdx: I don't have any MP in my inbox, do you have the link handy?
[11:49] <jgdx> mardy, https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/snapd-paths2/+merge/305751
[11:49] <mardy> jgdx: thanks
[12:12] <jgdx> mardy, it presents a test problem, though. Setting QStandardPaths to test mode does not exclude e.g. /usr/share and /usr/local/share, etc.
[12:13] <mardy> jgdx: just finished reviewing it
[12:13] <jgdx> so the plugin manager picks up real plugins (if they exist) in testing
[12:13] <mardy> jgdx: what about setting XDG_DATA_DIRS env variable?
[12:15] <jgdx> mardy, that sounds better :)
[12:15] <jgdx> maybe a bit linux-specific, but I guess we don't care right now
[12:16] <mardy> jgdx: it's test code :-)
[13:02] <faenil> zsombi: should DanChapman create a bug for the horizontal splits?
[13:03] <zsombi> faenil: of course, why not?
[13:03] <faenil> zsombi: don't know, he asked and got no reply :)
[13:03] <zsombi> faenil: because I went away....
[13:04] <faenil> zsombi: no problem, hence my question ;)
[14:12] <dobey> mardy: hey, what does 2016-09-15 14:38:30,523 - CRITICAL - Error: "userActionFinished error: 2"
[14:13] <dobey> mardy: err, what does that mean exactly?
[14:14] <mardy> dobey: where do you see it?
[14:14] <dobey> mardy: marcustomlinson is getting that when logging in
[14:15] <mardy> dobey: is this log coming from the U1 account plugin?
[14:15] <mardy> or from a scope?
[14:16] <dobey> mardy: it's in scope-registry.log from when he tries to log in to install a package
[14:22] <mardy> dobey, marcustomlinson: that error is weird, it means that the request could not be sent to signon UI
[14:23] <mardy> marcustomlinson: can you do "echo "LoggingLevel=2" > ~/.config/signond.conf", then try again, and paste the syslog?
[14:23] <mardy> marcustomlinson: make sure that no passwords or auth tokens are visible in there
[14:24] <marcustomlinson> mardy: something weird. I fixed it
[14:25] <marcustomlinson> mardy: I changed my password from within unity8 session, and that seemingly put my user into nopasswdlogin
[14:25] <marcustomlinson> mardy: apparently being in that group causes that weird behaviour
[14:25] <marcustomlinson> mardy: once I removed myself from nopasswdlogin, it started working fine again
[14:25] <mardy> marcustomlinson: ok
[14:26] <dobey> mardy: how is that possible!?
[14:28] <mardy> dobey: maybe the gnome-keyring stayed locked, so we couldn't read the password
[14:29] <dobey> mardy: oh, so gnome-keyring is getting used now with unity8-desktop-session-mir?
[14:30] <mardy> dobey: dunno, I don't think it should; but if you run unity7 in the same system, then it's going to be there...
[14:31] <dobey> mardy: ah i think it is being used. i guess the system-settings password stuff isn't causing the keyring encryptiong to get reset, like it does with the gtk+ ui under unity7, and that causes problems?
[14:33] <mardy> dobey: no idea, I only know that in unity7 there is some magic trick to keep the user password in sync with the keyring password, so that it gets automatically unlocked at login
[14:36] <dobey> yeah, i think the pam bits are missing with unity8
[15:24] <willy36000> hi guys and girls
[15:54] <NotKit> what's the current status of Ubuntu Touch on Xenial? Am I forced to use it if I want aarch64?
[15:55] <NotKit> (32-bit hwcomposer seems to be broken on device)
[16:42] <vroomtin> I am doing a "fastboot format cache" on the MX4 and it is stuck over an hour. The phone says "USB Transferring..." but nothing happens.
[16:42] <PCdude> hey all :)
[16:43] <PCdude> I was wondering just a few moments back. Why is there is no app made for ubuntu touch by whatsapp?
[16:43] <vroomtin> It's part of reinstalling Ubuntu Touch on the phone. Should I wait more or restart?
[16:43] <PCdude> IMHO, ubuntu touch has been around for quite some time and whatsapp has had alot of time to do it already. but they didn't. I think they have a reason and I am curious what that could be
[16:44] <popey> PCdude: You'd need to ask them.
[16:45] <vroomtin> PCdude: I would have expected you to suggest Signal instead of Whatsapp.
[16:45] <OhYash> PCdude : Its not 'time'. It's the userbase. Ubuntu's got none compared to Android/Apple
[16:46] <PCdude> popey: I guess they would not give me an answer on that :) Maybe people here are closer to the touch OS and know more about this I dont know
[16:46] <OhYash> PCdude : telegram is the thing more of this world needs
[16:47] <popey> PCdude: we're closer to ubuntu than whatsapp
[16:47] <PCdude> vroomtin: OhYash believe me, I would never use whatsapp if I could. Sadly, both for work and school its almost mandatory. I try to avoid social networks as much as possible, but I had to sell my soul to whatsapp.....
[16:48] <popey> I think it's pretty obvious that they only make apps for devices where there's a significant userbase.
[16:48] <vroomtin> PCdude: Whatsapp uses Signal internally, and also Whatsapp is part of FB. Technically, it would be (more) feasible to get Signal than Whatsapp.
[16:49] <popey> Which is why there is/was no app on FirefoxOS, Tizen, Sailfish or Ubuntu
[16:49] <PCdude> OhYash: so? its not big, but windows phone is also small and still there also blackberry which is really small
[16:49] <vroomtin> the interest is in VoIP apps in general on Ubuntu
[16:49] <popey> Windows phone is backed by microsoft who have large buckets of cash to throw at developers.
[16:50] <PCdude> popey: is that really how it works? microsoft is big and just gives whatsapp some money so they port it to windows phone?
[16:50] <mcphail> Is there still whatsapp for windows phone? I thought it was dropped?
[16:50] <popey> They have a long history of doing that
[16:50] <OhYash> PCdude : Exactly!
[16:50] <popey> It may well since have been dropped
[16:50] <OhYash> that
[16:51] <NotKit> PCdude, persuade people to use alternatives along with WhatsApp if they want to contact you
[16:51] <vroomtin> Question: what was the URL with the document that explained how to use fastboot, etc on the bq and the MX4?
[16:52] <PCdude> I have to say, thats just sad. I thought they (or any company for that matter) things on there own and looks at user stats for example, but yeah I lost another  illusion
[16:52] <PCdude> NotKit: doing my best :) , u should see people when u tell them u dont have facebook. Seriously, having some sort of disease gives them a less scary look
[16:53] <PCdude> if I start about privacy, most of them just laugh
[16:54] <krowv> Hey there.  I’m trying to revive the port for a Galaxy S4.  I have the US Cellular SCH-R970 version.  Wondering if anyone would know if the i9505 rom located here should run on my S4.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505
[16:55] <krowv> Currently researching the underlying hardware but thought I’d ping the group in case anyone had immediate insight on that platform.
[16:55] <vroomtin> re: document on the phones, it was "sturmflut".
[16:55] <OhYash> Here's my plan. Once I port Utouch to my phone. My whatsapp status will be "No more whatsapp, telegram me on the same number"
[16:56] <popey> vroomtin: https://sturmflut.github.io/
[16:56] <NotKit> krowv, that port is very old, you will probably have to start a new
[16:56] <PCdude> vroomtin: "sturmflut"? :))
[16:56] <popey> PCdude: a person
[16:57] <PCdude> haha ok
[16:57] <PCdude> OhYash: I tried it about a year ago, but it was pretty buggy then (tried on nexus 5), but yeah what can happen in a year...
[16:58] <PCdude> .. alot
[16:59] <krowv> NotKit: Thats what I’m afriad of.  just wondering if that would be helpful as a jumping off point or if it would be better to just completely start new.
[16:59] <krowv> I’m very new to all this but have been learning quickly.   Got Heimdall loaded and figured out how to use CF-Auto root to root the phone
[17:00] <krowv> I also purchased a Nexxus 4 and was able to get Ubuntu phone running on it.  Now I want to try and make it work on my S4.
[17:01] <NotKit> probably start new, but current porting process is documented very poorly, unfortunately
[17:01] <krowv> NotKit: sounds like my kind of project.  ;)
[17:08] <vroomtin> I am running "ubuntu-device-flash touch --bootstrap --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en --recovery-image recovery-arale.img" .
[17:09] <vroomtin> The phone says: "=> FASTBOOT mode...\nUSB Transferring..."
[17:09] <vroomtin> The laptop says:   Flashing version 421 from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device arale
[17:10] <vroomtin> "dmesg" is fine (shows Serial number, etc).
[17:10] <vroomtin> The problem is, that it nothing happens. As if it is stuck. Any hints?
[17:11] <Mirv> boiko: bug #1620945 fix is now in xenial overlay and yakkety-proposed
[17:19] <docgi> is it possible to put ubuntu touch on my Asus Zenfone 2? it has an intel processor
[17:20] <boiko> Mirv: nice! let me try to build the tests that were failing there, thanks :)
[17:20] <NotKit> docgi, possible, but not easy
[19:18] <WLBI> hi
[19:23] <aquiles> No ubuntu touch ota 13 update ?
[22:13] <nzzane> Hey everyone, what exactly is the hardware specific git files?
[22:13] <nzzane> When building ubuntu touch ^
[22:15] <saidinesh5> nzzane: your android/device/<vendor>/<device>  repo, android/kernel/<vendor>/<device> , and probably android/<vendor>/ repos
[22:16] <saidinesh5> look for the "local manifest" needed to build an AOSP rom for  your device
[22:18] <nzzane> Would this be from my device's git? or from android.googlesource.com?