[04:46] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - ubiquity started with adwaita http://i.imgur.com/qQpdIKJ.png
[07:10] <flocculant> commented eventually and changed bug to ubiquity
[07:50] <ochosi> flocculant: awesome, thanks!
[07:51] <ochosi> let's hope they care a little about it
[07:51] <ochosi> have you tried with Ambiance as well?
[07:51] <ochosi> (cause if it's broken there too, they'll certainly care more)
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[08:54] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: ack..... just give me a shout and I'm all yours..
[09:22] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi, flocculant want to ACK https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme/+bug/1623855 ?
[09:23] <knome> sure
[09:24] <knome> not in the release team though, so
[09:25] <bluesabre> knome, but you're in docs, right?
[09:25] <knome> yep, and i acked it already
[09:25] <bluesabre> good sir :D
[11:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: acked with both hats on
[11:07] <flocculant> knome: re "not in the release team though, so" yes you are - ochosi shouldn't be seperately I guess (old XPL) council is member of release :)
[11:07] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: might be better if I run it by you on e-mail 
[11:09] <flocculant> ochosi: I had checked ambiance unfortunately - as a rule I always check Ubuntu as well as Xubuntu if something ubiquityish is wrong 
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[11:40] <knome> flocculant, though i don't think council == release team
[13:54] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: KK..  
[14:19] <flocculant> knome: didn't say council ==release team - but if xpl was on there then why not council, and if council not why was xpl :p
[14:20] <flocculant> frankly I couldn't care one way or the other though
[14:52] <flocculant> knome: when you've got 30 minutes or so to mull something over :)
[15:00] <flocculant> no rush btw - before zealous zebedee gets to us :D
[15:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: would be great if settings could make it into the final of yakkety and with an SRu go to xenial
[15:44] <flocculant> ochosi: re resize bug - checked other flavours - gnome affected, but I assume that'd be expected
[15:58] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah that's expected. so at least we're not alone blaming ubiquity ;)
[16:34] <flocculant> :)
[16:34] <flocculant> not easy to find anyone gnomeish of late to saddle up for the blame session 
[16:47] <ochosi> jbicha maybe?
[16:48] <flocculant> don't know - is he something to do with Ubuntu Gnome - or just happens to do stuff because others are away 
[16:49] <flocculant> can't even remember Tim's nick :(
[16:50] <ochosi> knot sure, but i thought he was pretty active in the gnome ubuntu community
[16:52] <krytarik> flocculant: darkxst
[16:55] <flocculant> krytarik: thanks :)
[16:56] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - well if I don't see you letting him know - I will - think you're away on hols aren't you?
[16:57] <flocculant> in the meantime I'll at least flag it on their iso tracker builds
[17:57] <knome> flocculant, could do 15ish now if that's enough
[17:57] <knome> flocculant, otherwise "tomorrow"
[18:17] <flocculant> manana in the good old Spanish way will be fine - really no rush :)
[18:17] <knome> oki
[18:17] <knome> you at work on the daytime?
[18:17] <flocculant> yea tomorrow I am 
[18:17] <knome> oki, then let's try to catch up in the evening
[18:18] <knome> just ping - i'm lurking more often than one'd think...
[18:18] <flocculant> I was serious when I said 'before zz' :)
[18:18] <knome> yeah, but better get it done sooner than later anyway
[18:18] <flocculant> yep ok - more or less the same here too lol
[18:18] <knome> re: council/xpl on release, i think we need to rethink that
[18:19] <knome> unless that's what this is about :P
[18:19] <flocculant> right
[18:19] <flocculant> no - this is something completely different than that :)
[18:19] <knome> i mean again, xpl was a single person who had a lot of "decision power"
[18:19] <flocculant> yea
[18:19] <knome> so it made sense that he was a member of the release team
[18:19] <flocculant> right
[18:20] <knome> now the council is much more like an arbiter
[18:20] <flocculant> at a minimum needs qa/tech 
[18:20] <knome> yeah
[18:20] <flocculant> the 'can mark ready' thing isn't so much a necessirty ofc as anyone with powers can do that
[18:21] <knome> could be those and one from council - just for any unrealistic but potential veto stuff
[18:21] <flocculant> mmm
[18:21] <knome> but that person shouldn't likely be very active in that team - at least with their council hat on
[18:22] <flocculant> yea
[18:22] <knome> maybe it would make sense that bluesabre served as both technical and council member
[18:22] <knome> he'd then know - as anybody really
[18:22] <knome> - when to be in touch with council
[18:23] <knome> eg. if the situation looks really disastrous
[18:23] <flocculant> yea - except that on release days is kind of pants - cos he's not available usually at those times
[18:23] <knome> mhm
[18:23] <knome> i think i have all mark-powers via the qa tracker dev team
[18:23] <flocculant> I think anyone half tech would know if something was looking disastrous - and could shout at least to delay 
[18:23] <knome> yeah, that
[18:24] <flocculant> knome: yea you will have - I can mark anyone's image ready
[18:24] <knome> i guess i have any powers you can ever imagine :P
[18:24] <flocculant> even I'd know if something techish was looking disastrous :)
[18:24] <flocculant> anyway - needs a rethink now I guess - but once more not really a rush there 
[18:25] <knome> yep
[18:25] <knome> oh, even council is a member of that team
[18:25] <flocculant> ideally before 13th October is all :D
[18:25] <flocculant> yea
[18:25] <flocculant> cos s/xpl/council :)
[18:25] <knome> yep
[18:25] <knome> but simon is a member individually too
[18:26] <flocculant> yes - not sure why that - maybe some xpl/individual stuff - no idea
[18:26] <flocculant> can you remember how it was when you were xpl? 
[18:26] <knome> we didn't have the xpl team then
[18:27] <knome> but if the council/xpl team is a member, then simon doesn't have to be
[18:27] <flocculant> cos as 'not xpl' art team lead in release is odd :)
[18:27] <flocculant> yea - same as bluesabre in release
[18:27] <knome> i think the rationale behind this is that we explicitly wanted to communicate that simon is part of the release team
[18:27] <flocculant> currently it's effectively me/dave and council
[18:27] <knome> yep
[18:28] <knome> i deactivated simon
[18:28] <flocculant> k
[18:28] <knome> now it's more like it likely should be, i think
[18:28] <flocculant> not sure really - the only other non qa/council person logically should be there would be Unit193 
[18:29] <knome> does anybody have any reason why the council needs to be a *member* of the bugs team?
[18:29] <flocculant> don't think there's need for Sean to be there perhaps 
[18:29] <flocculant> on release
[18:29] <flocculant> does it not own bug team?
[18:30] <knome> well, that explicitly states he's the tech lead
[18:30] <knome> it does, yes
[18:30] <flocculant> ok - that works for me 
[18:30] <knome> but it's also a member of the team
[18:30] <knome> which is a bit different
[18:30] <flocculant> then it'll be a member won't it? 
[18:30] <knome> nope
[18:30] <knome> i think, weight on the word *think*
[18:30] <flocculant> lose elfy from that team ... 
[18:31] <knome> that *members* get the bug mail
[18:31] <knome> owners don't
[18:31] <knome> done
[18:31] <flocculant> mmm
[18:31] <flocculant> trying to remember back
[18:31] <flocculant> ty :)
[18:31] <knome> anyway, as council is the owner, it doesn't "need" to be a member
[18:32] <flocculant> knome: maybe amend council bug mail options ? 
[18:32] <flocculant> though given sean is there twice - might screw that up 
[18:32] <knome> oh well,
[18:32] <knome> i'll send a mail to the council to see what they think :P
[18:32] <flocculant> :)
[18:33] <knome> and now time to run
[18:33] <knome> ttyl
[18:33] <flocculant> cya 
[20:17] <flocculant> Unit193: uefi bug being reported in -release :p
[20:21] <Unit193> Thanks.
[20:21] <flocculant> welcome :)
[20:40] <Unit193> Got a list of those of us on Yak that you can ask to test stuff, btw?
[20:40] <Unit193> Also, that bug means that I haven't tested Core with UEFI (or secure boot) either. :3
[20:40] <flocculant> Unit193: nope - no list
[20:41] <flocculant> I've subbed to that uefi bug now I worked out what I needed to install to make it work :p
[20:41] <Unit193> Oh, could have asked. :3
[20:43] <Unit193> I pull a RPM from OpenSuse's build system (like PPAs, though can build more than just rpms) and extracted the EFI module, placing it in /usr/share/ovmf/.  I really don't remember what it was with the packaged one that prevents secure boot though. :D
[20:43] <flocculant> well yes could have asked - but we don't much talk about testing uefi here :p
[20:44] <Unit193> I, uh, first noticed because of something non-Xubuntu, then went up the line (Non-xubuntu, xubuntu-core, xubuntu-desktop, xenial releases.)
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[22:58] <jbicha> bluesabre: I borrowed your packaging to update Debian: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/greybird-gtk-theme
[23:12] <Unit193> libxfce4ui 4.13.1-1; xfce4-clipman-plugin 2:1.4.0-1; xfce4-settings 4.12.1-1 uploaded to Debian too.
[23:41] <bluesabre> jbicha, cool, glad to help :)