[01:01] <Bashing-om> Thunderstorm .. me be gone down for the count .
[06:07] <ducasse> morning all!
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:34] <ducasse> wb BluesKaj :)
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[11:37] <ducasse> everything well in your corner of the world?
[11:44] <ducasse> daftykins: you around, or still across the pond?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> he's still marked away
[11:47] <ducasse> didn't see that, sorry
[11:49] <BluesKaj> wow, suddenly bigtime cpu usage on FF
[11:49] <ducasse> BluesKaj: what os are you running on your rpi? i need to fix some stuff on mine, so i'm looking for a good base to work with.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> dunno which is worse FF with or without adblockers
[11:50] <ducasse> have you tried privoxy instead?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> ducasse, I'm running a modded raspbian-jessie, rather than their xfce/ldxe combo desktop, I'm using lxde exclusively.Also i moved  root dir to a fast 3.0 USB stick, which makes it much faster
[11:55] <ducasse> i can imagine, sd card isn't too quick. i mostly just need a good base for kodi, but want to also add a few other things for convenience.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> that way the sd card only has to boot the system, since my first one died after 8-9 formats trying out different OSs ...lot's od uders are now using ubuntu mate with root on usb
[11:57] <BluesKaj> of users
[11:59] <BluesKaj> thinking of switching to ubuntu-mate, but ai like the lxde deskrop, and kodi runs fine on my setup as an app
[12:04] <ducasse> i was thinking of setting kodi up to run as the wm, as most of the other stuff i want are just things i can handle via ssh. i'll look at both raspbian and ubuntu mate, though.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> ok ,, yakkety has some ppa packages that need testing ...bbiab
[13:10] <JanC> I don't think Kodi can run as a WM?
[13:19] <ducasse> JanC: iirc it can, i think that's how several of these media player distros are set up. there even used to be an entry in /usr/share/xsessions for it, don't know if that's still there.
[13:19] <ducasse> (i know it doesn't actually function as a wm, i was talking about autologin to an x session that just runs kodi fullscreen on startup)
[13:21] <JanC> right, that wouldn't make it a "WM", but more like a graphical shell or something
[13:22] <ducasse> i know, just bad choice of words.
[13:24] <BluesKaj> was looking into i3 tiling yesterday, but I'm too much of a gui user to bother with that
[13:24] <JanC> tiling is a form of GUI?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I didn't say that
[13:24] <ducasse> i3 is really nice, especially on multi-monitor systems.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> it's mostly shells placed evenly on your screen depending on haow many you enable at any one time
[13:26] <JanC> ?
[13:26] <JanC> it works for all windows, not just shells...
[13:27] <BluesKaj> well I didn't see anything but shells in the exampleson the i3 site
[13:27] <ducasse> BluesKaj: unlike some tiling wms, i3 can also 'float' windows, and does so automatically for dialogs and such.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> at first i thought it would be neat, but still prefer switching with activities on xenial and yaketty or virtual desktops on trusty
[13:30] <JanC> https://i3wm.org/screenshots/i3-10.png ?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> what's with ? on every post, JanC?
[13:32] <ducasse> BluesKaj: you might like awesome, it can tag windows and create workspaces with all windows with a certain tag on the fly. i dislike the way most desktops handle multiple screens, personally.
[13:32] <JanC> it's a question mark, BluesKaj
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ducasse, well, I liked the virtual desktops on kde/plasma4 , but after 15.04 and plasma5 the devs regressed that feature without a blink and shoved activities down our throats, a much clunkier methos in my view
[13:34] <BluesKaj> method
[13:35] <BluesKaj> JanC, I'm surprised you didn't use one there :-)
[13:38] <ducasse> i've never really looked much at kde, so i can't comment. i like i3, though, lightweight and flexible. the people in #i3 are very helpful to those who rtfm :)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> ducasse, too bad they called it "awesome", such an overused word for all kinds non-awsome things these days
[13:38] <ducasse> ...and horrible to google :-/
[13:39] <BluesKaj> I'll bet
[13:41] <ducasse> what i didn't like about awesome was lua, but i understand why some people see it as a major feature. i don't want to learn a new language just for my wm, though.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> well, being a basic home user makes it unnecessary for me to run more "advanced" WMs etc, since i don't feel the need for them ...testing dev OSs can be difficult enough without adding unneeded apps to the mix :-)
[13:51] <ducasse> i view desktop environments as "adding unneeded apps to the mix" :)
[13:57] <BluesKaj> well, that's your choice, mine's just different, that's my view
[13:58] <ducasse> absolutely :) people's workflows are so individual, i'm happy there are so many choices available.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> I don't have a "workflow", mostly I just muck about :-)
[14:04] <ducasse> :)
[14:05] <ducasse> btw, virtual desktops on kde4 - was that workspaces as most wms implement them or something different?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> well, they could be workspaces if set up that way
[14:08] <BluesKaj> basically they just ordinary numbered desktops which can have different backgrounds and as many apps per as one wishes
[14:10] <ducasse> pretty much what other desktops/wms do. and this is missing from plasma?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> it's been deleted in plasma5
[14:12] <ducasse> odd, i'd think it's a pretty basic feature...
[14:14] <BluesKaj> according to the devs, it's a complex setup that wasn't renewed
[14:17] <ducasse> well, their choice i guess. earlier today there was a guy in #i3 who was running kde plasma, but with i3 instead of kwin. interesting setup.
[14:22]  * BluesKaj nods
[14:26] <ducasse> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[14:26] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.9136.37 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB