[01:01] Thunderstorm .. me be gone down for the count . [06:07] morning all! [11:33] Hiyas all [11:34] wb BluesKaj :) [11:36] Hi ducasse [11:37] everything well in your corner of the world? === DJones_ is now known as DJones [11:44] daftykins: you around, or still across the pond? [11:46] he's still marked away [11:47] didn't see that, sorry [11:49] wow, suddenly bigtime cpu usage on FF [11:49] BluesKaj: what os are you running on your rpi? i need to fix some stuff on mine, so i'm looking for a good base to work with. [11:50] dunno which is worse FF with or without adblockers [11:50] have you tried privoxy instead? [11:53] ducasse, I'm running a modded raspbian-jessie, rather than their xfce/ldxe combo desktop, I'm using lxde exclusively.Also i moved root dir to a fast 3.0 USB stick, which makes it much faster [11:55] i can imagine, sd card isn't too quick. i mostly just need a good base for kodi, but want to also add a few other things for convenience. [11:57] that way the sd card only has to boot the system, since my first one died after 8-9 formats trying out different OSs ...lot's od uders are now using ubuntu mate with root on usb [11:57] of users [11:59] thinking of switching to ubuntu-mate, but ai like the lxde deskrop, and kodi runs fine on my setup as an app [12:04] i was thinking of setting kodi up to run as the wm, as most of the other stuff i want are just things i can handle via ssh. i'll look at both raspbian and ubuntu mate, though. [12:10] ok ,, yakkety has some ppa packages that need testing ...bbiab [13:10] I don't think Kodi can run as a WM? [13:19] JanC: iirc it can, i think that's how several of these media player distros are set up. there even used to be an entry in /usr/share/xsessions for it, don't know if that's still there. [13:19] (i know it doesn't actually function as a wm, i was talking about autologin to an x session that just runs kodi fullscreen on startup) [13:21] right, that wouldn't make it a "WM", but more like a graphical shell or something [13:22] i know, just bad choice of words. [13:24] was looking into i3 tiling yesterday, but I'm too much of a gui user to bother with that [13:24] tiling is a form of GUI? [13:24] I didn't say that [13:24] i3 is really nice, especially on multi-monitor systems. [13:25] it's mostly shells placed evenly on your screen depending on haow many you enable at any one time [13:26] ? [13:26] it works for all windows, not just shells... [13:27] well I didn't see anything but shells in the exampleson the i3 site [13:27] BluesKaj: unlike some tiling wms, i3 can also 'float' windows, and does so automatically for dialogs and such. [13:29] at first i thought it would be neat, but still prefer switching with activities on xenial and yaketty or virtual desktops on trusty [13:30] https://i3wm.org/screenshots/i3-10.png ? [13:31] what's with ? on every post, JanC? [13:32] BluesKaj: you might like awesome, it can tag windows and create workspaces with all windows with a certain tag on the fly. i dislike the way most desktops handle multiple screens, personally. [13:32] it's a question mark, BluesKaj [13:34] ducasse, well, I liked the virtual desktops on kde/plasma4 , but after 15.04 and plasma5 the devs regressed that feature without a blink and shoved activities down our throats, a much clunkier methos in my view [13:34] method [13:35] JanC, I'm surprised you didn't use one there :-) [13:38] i've never really looked much at kde, so i can't comment. i like i3, though, lightweight and flexible. the people in #i3 are very helpful to those who rtfm :) [13:38] ducasse, too bad they called it "awesome", such an overused word for all kinds non-awsome things these days [13:38] ...and horrible to google :-/ [13:39] I'll bet [13:41] what i didn't like about awesome was lua, but i understand why some people see it as a major feature. i don't want to learn a new language just for my wm, though. [13:50] well, being a basic home user makes it unnecessary for me to run more "advanced" WMs etc, since i don't feel the need for them ...testing dev OSs can be difficult enough without adding unneeded apps to the mix :-) [13:51] i view desktop environments as "adding unneeded apps to the mix" :) [13:57] well, that's your choice, mine's just different, that's my view [13:58] absolutely :) people's workflows are so individual, i'm happy there are so many choices available. [14:04] I don't have a "workflow", mostly I just muck about :-) [14:04] :) [14:05] btw, virtual desktops on kde4 - was that workspaces as most wms implement them or something different? [14:06] well, they could be workspaces if set up that way [14:08] basically they just ordinary numbered desktops which can have different backgrounds and as many apps per as one wishes [14:10] pretty much what other desktops/wms do. and this is missing from plasma? [14:10] it's been deleted in plasma5 [14:12] odd, i'd think it's a pretty basic feature... [14:14] according to the devs, it's a complex setup that wasn't renewed [14:17] well, their choice i guess. earlier today there was a guy in #i3 who was running kde plasma, but with i3 instead of kwin. interesting setup. [14:22] * BluesKaj nods [14:26] !info linux-image-generic yakkety [14:26] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.9136.37 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB === JanC is now known as Guest68752 === JanC_ is now known as JanC