[02:58] <newmate> I'm creating a usb boot stick for ubuntu mate, will it be for booting within windows or booting before windows loads? Also can someone link me to a guide for a Windows user?
[02:59] <roasted_> hi
[02:59] <newmate> i found a PCWorld guide  but I'mnot sure ifits the best option ornot
[03:00] <roasted_> is there a way to prevent the menu from showing on the left screen, but instead show on the primary http://i.imgur.com/dS3wwWA.jpg
[03:03] <Darkhero> newmate: If you want to boot it from your computer hardware, it will load from the BIOS
[03:04] <Darkhero> You can use a VM if you want to run it within Windows, but I'd only do that for testing it out
[03:05] <newmate> Ahokay, Iknew about VM just not about boot disks
[10:07] <uczen> Hello there
[10:08] <uczen> faq
[10:36] <xolono> wwhat
[10:45] <rumflump> does that actually work? the thing uczen tried
[10:45] <rumflump> !faq
[12:13] <ouroumov_> Winpy you cleared https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1622257 as -done?
[12:14] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg *
[12:14] <ouroumov_> ^
[12:14] <ouroumov_> I think this should not be pushed to users
[12:14] <flexiondotorg> Because?
[12:14] <ouroumov_> This has the potential to introduce instability
[12:14] <flexiondotorg> How?
[12:15] <ouroumov_> As in, auto update, during package install phase power off, then when user power up in the morning sys is trashed
[12:15] <ouroumov_> But then again
[12:15] <ouroumov_> I'm not sure it would happen like that, I don't know the exact update process
[12:15] <ouroumov_> Also it will make this setting the new default, auto-download-install, and therefore it takes control away from the user
[12:16] <flexiondotorg> unattended-updates is in all flavours.
[12:16] <ricotz> ouroumov_, it simply aids the user to keep their system updated without further actions which can be quite technical
[12:16] <ouroumov_> Yes but there's a massive backslash agains W10 and auto-updates atm
[12:16] <ouroumov_> Sometimes even if it's more secure you don't want to update, period
[12:16] <flexiondotorg> It is an essential component that was missing from Ubuntu MATE <= 16.04 due the fact we couldn't follow-recommends
[12:17] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, I has to be included.
[12:17] <flexiondotorg> It is an oversight that must be corrected :-)
[12:17] <ouroumov_> I see your point, but then I think at least an announcement is required
[12:17] <ricotz> ouroumov_, if so the user can disable it if needed, but the option should be available
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> In >= 16.10 this oversight is not present because I added MATE "awareness" to a number of package so the ubuntu-mate meta-packages can now automcailly follow recommends.
[12:18] <ouroumov_> ricotz, I have nothing against the option being available, problem is the fix will make it the default
[12:18] <ouroumov_> And silently too
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, You concern is duely noted, but this is not a cause of concern for me.
[12:19] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, okay
[12:19] <flexiondotorg> What is a cause for concern is that user are not being made aware of critical security updates.
[12:20] <rumflump> ooh, is this ask the dev(s) random questions time? I was wondering if we could see the software boutique in mint-mate in the future
[12:21] <ricotz> this seems to be still the ubuntu-mate channel ;)
[12:25] <ouroumov_> No flexiondotorg, the users are being made aware of the update by default, they just have to manually trigger download/update
[12:39] <ouroumov_> Anyway, this is not a good situation. There's no option but to make a choice, and both choices have drawbacks.
[13:09] <rumflump> ah, I thought maybe all the MATE's were from one group, my bad
[13:50] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, attempting to clarify here, sorry. Before (Default): Daily check for updates, when security updates are in there, they show up as such in the updater. (This has been default behavior since Xenial release, I've seen a lot of security updates.) --- When the SRU rolls: security updates probably won't show anymore but will be automatically installed.
[13:53] <ouroumov> Also, since it took so long for us to become aware of this bug, I'm ready to wager there's a small percentage of UM users who actually ever touch the "Software & Update" settings, and probably even less who have ever tried to set it to autodownload/install.
[15:31] <amirtarek> hi
[16:02] <te_lanus> I wonder if anyone can help/ I'm on 16.04.x (updated to latest updates), since Tuesday I'm having trouble with internet speed on my desktop, doesn't happen with both my tablets. is there a way to reset my internet config on 16.04
[16:02] <te_lanus> did run thru my isp and they see no problem on the connection
[16:09] <ouroumov_> hi te_lanus
[16:09] <ouroumov_> te_lanus, some network driver have power saving modes
[16:10] <ouroumov_> identify the driver using: lshw -C net
[16:10] <ouroumov_> then check the options using: modinfo <drivername>
[18:00] <newmate> I made a boot DVD for Ubuntu MATE but I cant get my laptop to boot from it
[18:00] <newmate> I burned the ISO to DVD with more than 1.5gb ofspace at 2.4x speed (the lowest option)
[18:01] <newmate> I opened up BIOS settings and made the DVD priority 1 for boot and my harddrive priority 2
[18:01] <newmate> Is there a problem with my CD/DVD drive? Is that whatthismeans?
[18:03] <ouroumov_> hi newmate
[18:03] <newmate> hey
[18:03] <ouroumov_> newmate, what tool did you use to burn the dvd?
[18:04] <ouroumov_> Actually nevermind
[18:04] <newmate> I'm inWindows 7, and just used the burn option that is built into it
[18:04] <ouroumov_> newmate, why don't you use a bootable USB instead?
[18:04] <newmate> Only reason is thatI thought the DVD option would be easier (since w7 has a built in tool for it)
[18:05] <ouroumov_> Okay
[18:05] <ouroumov_> Have you killed "Secure Boot" and stuff like that in the BIOS?
[18:05] <newmate> No, the only setting I touched was the boot priority order
[18:06] <ouroumov_> Check and see if your BIOS have a "Boot Override" option, as in, without changing the boot order, manually pick the drive to boot
[18:09] <newmate> dontsee one, and dont seea secure boot option either
[18:10] <ouroumov_> Hm
[18:10] <ouroumov_> Well, my recommendation is to try and burn an USB stick.
[18:11] <newmate> okay,I will do that
[18:12] <newmate> is rufus still a good option for boot drives?
[18:15] <Linuxxx> hello!!!!!
[18:15] <ouroumov_> hi Linuxxx
[18:16] <ouroumov_> newmate, there's instructions on the website for burning USB sticks
[18:16] <newmate> k
[18:24] <Linuxxx> any guy connected?
[18:25] <Linuxxx> helloooo
[18:25] <sixwheeledbeast> 93 people in room?
[18:27] <rahtgaz> yeah. no one's connected
[18:32] <ouroumov_> Linuxxx, can we help you with something?
[18:44] <Linuxxx> i just need how to activate office 2010 lool
[18:44] <Akuli> why?
[18:45] <Akuli> libreoffice should be everything you need
[18:45] <Linuxxx> yes but i started school a week ago
[18:45] <Linuxxx> and i don't have time to learn about libre office
[18:46] <linux-masochist> Linuxxx: What OS are you using?
[18:48] <Linuxxx> Ubuntu MAte 16.04
[18:48] <Linuxxx> what about you?
[18:50] <linux-masochist> Debian based on a Pi. I think the options you have are to run office and windows on a VM, use WINE (not sure if it supports office) or give libre office a go and see how you get on.
[18:51] <linux-masochist> Are you essay writing? or are your needs more complex? spreadsheets and databases?
[18:52] <Linuxxx> i go to high school man haha
[18:52] <Linuxxx> i only do like basic things or essay
[18:53] <linux-masochist> Ah OK. In that case Libre should do the job. you can export to any number of formats.  give it a whirl.
[18:54] <Linuxxx> yeah, thanks
[18:55] <Monery> greetings all... is 16.10 a big deal for some reason to IBM chip users?
[18:55] <Monery> checking to make sure that the beta iso's downloaded and were shared last night... saw they were downloaded 3x as much as the other two combined
[18:56] <ouroumov_> IBM makes chips?
[18:57] <Monery> Sorry, Motorola
[18:57] <ouroumov_> That's even more confusing
[18:57] <Monery> those Power8 CPU?
[18:57] <Monery> the 3rd version of UM to come out?
[18:57] <ouroumov_> Are those x86?
[18:58] <Monery> the non-x86 ones
[18:58] <Monery> er one
[18:58] <Monery> damn, sorry brain issues atm, the PowerPC iso
[18:58] <Monery> don't own any hardware, but i do host it
[18:59] <Monery> don't follow PPC bug tracker so why in 8 hours did i upload 20GB of it
[19:00] <linux-masochist> Linuxxx: No problem. Good luck.
[19:00] <rahtgaz> I think it may have to do with the PPC being first supported on 16.10
[19:00] <ouroumov_> Monery, and you're saying the ppc iso is getting more downloads?
[19:01] <Monery> sorry ouroumov_, on pain meds at the time let me stop trying to be clever...
[19:01] <ouroumov_> Monery, no problem, take it easy
[19:01] <rahtgaz> before it was a payed support from canonical. now it is community driven. that change occurred on 16.10
[19:02] <rahtgaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#head-8d764a92cbe82911913d972b8189698f9f04e6f3
[19:02] <Monery> wait so PPC you had to get a subscription?
[19:02] <rahtgaz> apparently you did
[19:02] <Monery> Interesting
[19:04] <Monery> the funs of not using intel/amd
[19:04] <Monery> rahtgaz, you know PPC world at all?
[19:04] <rahtgaz> that actually maybe a good thing. It may open the way for a PPC ubuntu derivative distro
[19:04] <rahtgaz> Monery: no. very little. i just keep on with computing news
[19:05] <Monery> just a question about PPC tho...
[19:05] <rahtgaz> shoot
 wait so PPC you had to get a subscription? -> I don't think so
[19:05] <Monery> those were used by IBM, Apple, and someone else... awhile ago... are there still that many out that functing?
[19:05] <ouroumov_> You can pay canonical for support for proper Ubuntu too yknow.
[19:05] <Akuli> i have an old imac g3
[19:05] <Akuli> runs ubuntu 12.04 without a gui, works great
[19:05] <Monery> may i ask what you use it for?
[19:06] <Monery> i have tossed or donated stuff that age myself... didn't really have a use for it anymore
[19:06] <rahtgaz> Monery: yes. a lot. PPCs are very common on some embed controllers, and network devices
[19:07] <rahtgaz> the top of the line PPCs are also widely available on IBM RS and As computers too
[19:07] <Akuli> Monery, honestly not that much for anything :D its mostly a nice toy to have for me
[19:07] <rahtgaz> s/As/AS
[19:08] <Akuli> if it was my only computer i'd be happy with it
[19:08] <Monery> i just throw problems at my pi3 or dual APU if they are small...
[19:13] <rahtgaz> you pi3 can tackle big problems too :)
[19:13] <Monery> I was waiting for ouroumov_ to tell me some epic story about a major bug fix
[19:13] <Monery> oh ya, I use it for all sorts of things
[19:14] <Monery> even have battery and 3G for her if I need her outside the house
[19:14] <Monery> wanna get a mast for the camera so i can pan and tilt
[19:14] <ouroumov_> I don't really know any stories, just what goes in the news
[19:19] <rahtgaz> if anything, you know have a new bug; canonical no longer provides payed support for ppc :)
[19:20] <rahtgaz> sheesh! i'm particularly typo-able today
[19:24] <Akuli> tpygning erorrs
[19:25] <Monery> gotta move out of here, getting too cold, thanks for the info... c ya
[19:30] <bro_marc> guys, how to i make the grub menu appear on boot instead of this grey box?
[19:30] <bro_marc> do*
[19:31] <ouroumov_> hey bro_marc
[19:31] <ouroumov_> bro_marc, you mean you can't see grub menu items?
[19:31] <bro_marc> i only get a grey box
[19:32] <bro_marc> covering the whole screen
[19:32] <ouroumov_> bro_marc: sudo pluma /etc/default/grub
[19:32] <ouroumov_> Uncomment line 20 GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[19:32] <ouroumov_> save, close, then: sudo update-grub
[19:32] <bro_marc> alright, i'll try
[19:35] <Akuli> ouroumov_, sudo nano or gksudo pluma, not sudo pluma
[19:35] <nomic> pluma = gedit
[19:35] <nomic> rite
[19:36] <Akuli> yes nomic
[19:36] <nomic> figured out  that gedit didn't work anymore on mate
[19:36] <ouroumov_> Akuli, are you saying that because it's a security issue Akuli ? Because it works.
[19:36] <Akuli> ouroumov_, gui apps like to change ownership of stuff in your home folder to root when you run them with plain sudo
[19:37] <ouroumov_> Seriously? Could that be the cause of ~/.config/cache being owned by root Akuli ?
[19:37] <Akuli> yes
[19:37] <ouroumov_> Holly damn.
[19:37] <ouroumov_> Akuli, are you running Ubuntu MATE 16.04 ?
[19:37] <Akuli> you can run `sudo chown -R $USER ~` if you have trouble with it :)
[19:37] <Akuli> ouroumov_, devuan 8
[19:38] <Akuli> an important note: both $USER and ~ are evaluated before the command is given to sudo
[19:38] <Akuli> try this out: echo $USER ~
[19:38] <ouroumov_> Damn, I'll need to test this
[19:41] <Akuli> i'm not actually sure how much truth there is in that ownership changing myth, but once some of my files were owned by root and some by me after running gui apps as root
[19:41] <Akuli> with sudo
[19:42] <ouroumov_> I'll have to check the permissions on a fresh install
[19:42] <ouroumov_> If I've been recommending something dangerous to people that needs to stop.
[19:43] <Akuli> i just use nano :)
[19:43] <Akuli> anyone can learn it in just a few seconds, its so simple
[19:43] <Akuli> awesome for quick config file editing stuff
[20:29] <Langley> Help, sometimes when I connect/disconnect my laptop to a monitor with HDMI, the screens goes crazy with flickering and I have to force shutdown
[20:31] <ouroumov_> Langley, this is likely a kernel/driver issue. You should have better luck asking in #Ubuntu I think.
[20:31] <Langley> Okay thanks
[21:05] <ubuntu-mate> Hello I am My name is Bob R  I am trying to get an Epson Perfection V37 Scanner to scan with uggestions?Linux Any s
[21:06] <nomic> is a general question about ubuntu and #ubuntu channel
[21:06] <nomic> will help
[21:06] <nomic> cos theres more people in it
[21:06] <ubuntu-mate> Will Akuli be back tomorrow?
[21:06] <nomic> i dunno
[21:06] <nomic> there are also the forums
[21:06] <nomic> ubuntu forums, ubuntu mate forums
[21:06] <nomic> very busy = ubuntu forums
[21:06] <nomic> https://ubuntuforums.org/
[21:07] <nomic> you use sane
[21:07] <nomic> xsane
[21:07] <nomic> for scanner
[21:07] <nomic> you have tried to run "sane"?
[21:07] <ubuntu-mate> Can I communicate later tonight?
[21:07] <nomic> xsane is the scanner program
[21:07] <nomic> sudo apt-get install xsane
[21:07] <nomic> you can communicate any time you like
[21:08] <nomic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn't%20auto-detected
[21:08] <nomic> you may find the scanner is auto-detected
[21:08] <ubuntu-mate> Does xsane work on Linux Mint v18 32Bit?
[21:08] <nomic> after installing/running "xsane", then plugging your scanner in , usb ubuntu-mate .. but otherwise
[21:08] <nomic> refer to article
[21:08] <nomic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn't%20auto-detected
[21:08] <nomic> pretty sure it will
[21:08] <nomic> 100%
[21:09] <ubuntu-mate> Thanks
[21:09] <nomic> yw.
[21:09] <nomic> sudo apt-get xsane gets you the xsane program
[21:09] <nomic> then run "xsane"
[21:09] <nomic> plug your scanner in, usb cable
[21:09] <nomic> it should be automatically detected
[21:10] <nomic> otherwise, refer to article
[21:10] <nomic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn't%20auto-detected
[21:22] <ouroumov_> hm
[21:23] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, you've clicked the chat button two times too many
[21:27] <godfuture> hey, does somebody know what to do when the usb live distro is not showing any desktop panel? I see only my wallpaper. somehow I have the feeling two monitors are attached
[21:28] <godfuture> because the my mouse disappears over the left corner
[21:28] <ouroumov_> hi godfuture
[21:28] <godfuture> Hey :)
[21:29] <ouroumov_> hm, that's a weird problem
[21:29] <godfuture> one computer, one display,
[21:29] <godfuture> how to start display manager from console?
[21:30] <ouroumov_> I'm looking that up
[21:30] <linux-masochist> godfuture: does the device have a separate gfx card as well as an on board gfx?
[21:30] <linux-masochist> godfuture: startx ?
[21:31] <linux-masochist> if on board gfx and additional card, disable on board gfx in bios
[21:34] <ouroumov_> godfu
[21:34] <ouroumov_> erf
[21:39] <godfuture> back
[21:40] <ouroumov_> godfuture, I've got the name for you
[21:41] <ouroumov_> mate-display-properties
[22:16] <dfdsgnbhsf> does someone know a good private mail sevice
[22:19] <godfuture> cool, I will try
[22:23] <ubuntu-mate> how come that ubuntu is recognizing VGA-0 and DisplayPort-0?
[22:23] <ubuntu-mate> I have only one cable
[22:25] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, you still have the two screen detected problem?
[22:26] <ubuntu-mate> well, opening mate-display-properties shows me two screens, by default VGA-0 was primary display, but somehow my monitor was connected to DisplayPort-0
[22:27] <ubuntu-mate> I have set VGA-0 as default and disabled DisplayPort-0
[22:28] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, that's very unusual behavior, I've never seen it myself.
[22:28] <ubuntu-mate> hmm
[22:28] <ouroumov_> Maybe there's something stuck in the DisplayPort? :/
[22:30] <ubuntu-mate> its very weird. How its possble that two monitors are available...
[22:30] <ubuntu-mate> I run AMD E-350
[22:31] <ubuntu-mate> I started mate live because I had openElec installed. but somehow suddenly got a black screen after boot
[22:31] <ubuntu-mate> the same to all other distros
[22:31] <ubuntu-mate> and now the live shows two displays
[22:32] <ouroumov_> I've been having a weird graphics problem with an AMD Sempron (old machine)
[22:32] <ubuntu-mate> driver issue?
[22:33] <ouroumov_> dunno, probably
[22:34] <ouroumov_> I've never owned AMD machines, this is an old beast someone wanted to trash
[22:37] <nedstark> anyone have an ubuntu phone in the us
[22:38] <ouroumov_> I have one but I'm in France
[22:38] <nedstark> does it have apps?