[03:30] <Sevish> hey folks. it seems that the task manager widget separates open from closed applications that are set as 'Show a launcher when not running'. this is true even if the sort order is set to 'manually'. is it the intended behaviour?
[03:31] <Sevish> e.g. if you launch an application that wasn't running before, it will move itself from one side of the task manager to the other.
[06:04] <ChetManly> how is plasma mobile coming?
[08:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:22] <mparillo> If I no longer wish to receive updates from PPAs, I used to untick the boxes form Update Manager > Software Sources, but it looks as if Update Manager has gone away. Can I simply rm my PPA files from  /etc/apt/sources.list.d instead?
[12:25] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, yes, or install muon which has debline/ ppa removal options
[12:32] <mparillo> TY BluesKaj_ I figure it is just as easy to rm them. And now I know another way to do it ;-)
[12:34] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, right, I use muon as a package reference /info guide, but some of it's options are also handy
[12:36] <mparillo> Yup. There is a difference between a package manager and an 'app store'
[14:08] <CQ> hello, I'm trying to install kubuntu in a vbox vm, and am stuck on the "Prepare to install Kubuntu" screen... I can't hit continue. What am I missing??
[14:13] <acheronuk> CQ: The virtualbox defaults tend to not give enough disk space to the virtual disk it creates. 8GB is not enough. 10-12 GB may be, though I usually give 16GB to be on safe side
[14:14] <CQ> acheronuk: ok, I gave it 8gb...
[14:15] <acheronuk> CQ the ubuntu ubiquity installer we have to use does not always explain why it won't proceed. :/
[14:17] <CQ> ok, thanks for the info
[14:17] <Unit193> Check syslog or /var/log/installer/
[14:18] <Unit193> FWIW, ubiquity compares the size of the disk to the unsquashed system to see if there'd be enough space.
[14:49] <mparillo> CQ: Are you seeing the entire ubiquity panel? I know of VMware, you have to slide it up and to the left to see the continue button.
[16:00] <CQ> mparillo: yes, I see the continue button, but can't click it
 It does sound like the too smal virtual disk problem I always get. On that the button is greyed out (ish) and does not respond.
[16:16] <CQ> acheronuk: yep, 16gb and it's installing fine, thanks
[17:27] <CQ> how do I get the linux haders installed? Debian has a linux-headers-amd64 package...
[17:27] <CQ> when I try to isntall linux-headers-generic it wants to install linux-image-generic as well...
[17:36] <Dragnslcr> CQ- run this command and look for lines that start with ii: dpkg-query -l | grep linux-image -
[17:36] <CQ> I installed linux-headers-virtual, I'm in a VM
[17:55] <markit> hi, with kubuntu 16.04 I don''t have kdeedu "meta package"... has it been renamed? I've still kdeedu-data
[18:03] <viewer|42262> hello there
[18:03] <viewer|42262> i just install kubuntu 16.04
[18:03] <viewer|42262> but i can't connect to the net
[18:04] <viewer|42262> how do i connect to the net using ethernet
[18:07] <BluesKaj_> viewer|42262, open a terminal run , sudo /etc/init.d/networking start, or sudo systemctl start systemd-networkd
[18:08] <viewer|42262> ok
[20:31] <TBotNik> All: Been following this HOWTO: https://journalxtra.com/linux/desktop-recovery/the-definitive-guide-to-getting-your-linux-desktop-back/
[20:32] <TBotNik> but not able to restore my laptop desktop.
[20:35] <TBotNik> I get down to "Solution Three" where I am to rebuild X-windows and I follow the steps, but running "startx" always errors.  anything past that point depends on "X" actually starting, so can not go further until I can fix "X"!
[20:36] <TBotNik> any ideas on what is wrong with my X?
[20:41] <TBotNik> Actual "startx" error is: "_XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
[20:42] <TBotNik> "_XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed"
[20:51] <TBotNik> Hello, not getting any answers!
[20:55] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: I missed your earlier posts.  How did you lose your X?
[20:56] <TBotNik> Been following this HOWTO: https://journalxtra.com/linux/desktop-recovery/the-definitive-guide-to-getting-your-linux-desktop-back/
[20:56] <TBotNik> but not able to restore my laptop desktop.
[20:56] <TBotNik> I get down to "Solution Three" where I am to rebuild X-windows and I follow the steps, but running "startx" always errors.  anything past that point depends on "X" actually starting, so can not go further until I can fix "X"!
[20:56] <TBotNik> Actual "startx" error is: "_XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed"
[20:58] <DarinMiller> What versoin of kubuntu, video card, and if NVidia or AMD, which driver?
[20:58] <TBotNik> when I run: service lightdm stop, then startx, it gets down to the line "Loading extension GLX" then errors with message: "xinit: connection to X server lost"
[21:04] <TBotNik> Not sure but may be the video driver went whack, how do I check and then reload that?
[21:04] <DarinMiller> NVidia card by chance?
[21:05] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Not sure, what is command "lspci"?
[21:07] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: lspci says its Intel Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:08] <DarinMiller> Is this a gaming laptop with more than one video card?
[21:08] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: No
[21:08] <DarinMiller> OK.  Which version of Kubuntu?
[21:09] <TBotNik> I remember I had lots of fun with the Centrino Wireless-N 100 driver about 2 years ago!
[21:10] <DarinMiller> What description is listed when you type: lsb_release -a
[21:26] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: running apt-get dist-upgrade.  Will let you know when that is finished
[21:27] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: was at 14.04.5
[21:28] <TBotNik> 14.04.5 LTS actually
[21:32] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Still @ 14.04.5 LTS
[21:36] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: Did X die after an update or a reboot or ????
[21:37] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Still the same errors. One HOWTO talks about what's in the xorg.conf file.  I see that nowhere on my system.
[21:39] <DarinMiller> Most systems don't use /etc/X11/xorg.conf anymore.  What make/model is your laptop?
[21:40] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Acer Aspire 7739
[21:42] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: The HOWTO at: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/intel-linux-graphics-driver-installer-1-0-5 says I need to download an installer for the Intel graphics driver!  What do you say?
[21:44] <DarinMiller> That may work. But I have never tried via the command line.....
[21:47] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: The download command is wget, right?
[21:47] <DarinMiller> Just to be clear, your laptop boots to a prompt, yes?
[21:47] <DarinMiller> If so, try this first: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-core
[21:53] <TBotNik> DarinMiller:No change after executing cmd, so rebooting!
[21:54] <DarinMiller> assume you attemtpted: startx
[21:57] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Yup, worse after reboot can not even get to cmd line. Running dpkg recovery from boot menu options!
[21:59] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: startx, flashed a ramdisk error on the screen, but not long enough to read it.
[21:59] <DarinMiller> wow, I am not sure how to help from here....  did you try live booting the laptop to ensure your hw is in working  order?
[22:04] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: No the problem started when after being disgusted with KATE editor, I removed it.  Obviously it's interwoven dependencies screwed the whole machine.
[22:05] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: Ohhhh.... been there many times.... When I install I make a 25G root partition and a separate partition for /home and swap.
[22:06] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: I use GEDIT with about 20 plugins and NetBeans for my PHP development and KATE is always messing things up, so tossed it.  Should have looked up a HOWTO safely remove KATE, but didn't
[22:06] <DarinMiller> When I mess things up, I only have to reformat the root partitoin and point the install to the home directory.
[22:11] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: The seperate partition for /home sounds great, but I absolutely will not install a single thing in /home/user, insted I install in /home/files, but like your idea.  Will save me lots of headaches.  I run 8-20 machines, depending how you look at it, so constantly having ADMIN type issues with things going wrong.  Putting in the 25G "root" partition would allow seamless rebuild from the LIVE DVD, except for actual
[22:11] <TBotNik> installed items.  Do you have a way around that?
[22:11] <DarinMiller> Since re-install is so easy, I am sometimes too careless when experimenting.  Sounds like you may have removed lightdm or sddm.
[22:13] <DarinMiller> No, I don't know any easy way around the custom installed stuff other than a real backup.  My internet connect is fairly fast, so re-installing apps is fairly quick.
[22:13] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: lightdm seems to work ok, but kdm is dependent on flawless run of startx, and since it won't load kdm is dead, so no desktop!
[22:14] <DarinMiller> on the last boot attempt when the prompt did not appear, did you try ctrl-alt-f1 to open tty1?
[22:15] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: OK reading between the lines ran "service lightdm start" and that errored, so that may be the corrupt part that is stopping startx
[22:16] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: will apt-get install --reinstall lightdm fix this?
[22:17] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: maybe.  you may also want to try sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[22:17] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: followed by sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:18] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: remove or purge?
[22:19] <DarinMiller> Don't purge unless you want to remove you custom settings for KDE.  I don't think your issue is with the config files in your home directory.
[22:20] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: k
[22:20] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: it's running!
[22:21] <DarinMiller> ???? How?
[22:21] <DarinMiller> Yes!
[22:23] <TBotNik> The remove/reinstall
[22:23] <TBotNik> not the DT
[22:23] <DarinMiller> Excellent!
[22:23] <TBotNik> connection is fairly fast, but not blinding!
[22:24] <TBotNik> think it's about done, we'll see shortly!
[22:24] <DarinMiller> oh celebrated too soon.... crossing fingers...
[22:25] <TBotNik> starting x now
[22:26] <TBotNik> no good, so rebooting
[22:26] <DarinMiller> oh oh,  I doubt reboot will help....
[22:26] <TBotNik> Getting the startup logo, we'll see
[22:29] <TBotNik> Alway get the "Waiting for network configuration" msg followed by the "Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration", finally figure that out.  If you have "wlan0" in your /etc/network/interfaces" file you always get these msgs.  Wow have login screen!
[22:29] <DarinMiller> !!!!!
[22:31] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Well have the Plasma background, the login screen but entering the password, flashes some error codes and returns back to the login screen.  Think something is wrong with the user set up, but that should be a hard fix!
[22:33] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Guess I need to return to cmdl and either look at the users file or run through the process of recreating my admin user!
[22:34] <DarinMiller> use ctrl-alt-f1 to drop to command line....
[22:34] <DarinMiller> then try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[22:36] <DarinMiller> if you attempt to startx with elevated privileges you may have messed up your .Xauthority privileges...
[22:36] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: the dpkg-reconfigure lightdm didn't fix it.  The cmdl login @ tty1 works just fine, so can't be a users file issue, has to be something in the xorg.conf, which I'm looking for now!
[22:37] <DarinMiller> https://askubuntu.com/questions/253376/lightdm-failed-during-authentication
[22:45] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: OK the log shows User authorized, then Greeter rquests session kde-plasma, followed by Writing /home/user/.dmrc, then errors with Seat: Stopping greeter; display server will be re-used for user session, which is what returns us back to the login!
[22:46] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: That says to me the greeter is still whacked.
[22:47] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Either that or KDE-Plasma is messed.  Which do you think?
[22:47] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: hmmm, this is new territory for me....
[22:48] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Going to research KDE-Plasma, think that may do it.
[22:49] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: good place to start....
[22:56] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: OK cat on /home/user/.xsession-errors gives gpg-agent post-stop process (1436) killed by TEM signal.  So gpg-agent is erroring
[22:57] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: Sorry typo: gpg-agent post-stop process (1436) killed by TERM signal
[22:58] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: not sure how gpg-agent affects the login.  Did you verify overship and permissions on the .Xauthority file?
[23:12] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: yup .Xauthority was set to root, changing to user and now desktop is fully back! Thanks!!!!! Bud!!!!!
[23:12] <DarinMiller> Awesome!!!
[23:13] <DarinMiller> Remote troubleshooting is awlays a nail biter!
[23:13] <TBotNik> Stick to it long enough and something has to give!
[23:14] <TBotNik> Configing a new machine, with new 3.0TB drive to DVR for TV and Security DVR programs!  Are you jealous?  LOL!
[23:14] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: I commend you on your persistence.  I always bail long before now and just re-install..... :)
[23:15] <DarinMiller> TBotNik: sounds like a fun project!
[23:17] <TBotNik> DarinMiller: That's because with that 25G root partition you can cheat!  I'll have to get those details from you so I can do the same.  Not sure about the part where you said "point the install to the /home directory", so will talk later. Need to go get food right now!  Cheers!
[23:25] <lenovo> hello