[02:11] <HenkaN> Any kind soul that would like to try help me out with a network related issue on my 16.04 Xubuntu install?
[03:53] <xubuntu40o> I am new to this program. I am trying to do some updates , but it keeps saying, PACKAGE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. How do I fix it.
[03:57] <thomas_> hello
[03:58] <Guest17828> hello
[03:58] <Guest17828> any one there?
[06:32] <arthur_dog> hey guys
[06:32] <arthur_dog> just a question
[06:33] <arthur_dog> anyone here
[06:35] <arthur_dog> when i log on, my screen blanks and i have to restart my computer. can anyone help?
[06:36] <arthur_dog> only when i get back on though
[06:36] <arthur_dog> when i start up its fine
[06:57] <arthur_dog> hello
[06:57] <guiverc> @guest88426 - you there?
[06:57] <arthur_dog> yep
[06:57] <arthur_dog> thats me
[06:57] <guiverc> ok - assuming that's you... thanks!
[06:57] <guiverc> @arthur_dog:  will have to get you to wait anyway sorry; gotta look up & remind myself what the issue was; and fix.
[06:58] <arthur_dog> ok thanks for the help
[06:58] <arthur_dog> ill be here
[06:58] <guiverc> is it only hibernate; or sleeping too that it goes dark/blank?
[06:58] <arthur_dog> its suspending
[06:59] <arthur_dog> but it wakes up but doesnt show the screen
[07:00] <guiverc> I forget to ask - xubuntu 14.04, 16.04 or version please?
[07:00] <arthur_dog> 16.04
[07:04] <arthur_dog> @guiverc u still there?
[07:05] <guiverc> yep arthur_dog... searching google... as I said I recall the issue, but don't remember fix..
[07:05] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:05] <arthur_dog> thanks
[07:06] <guiverc> you can remain in #ubuntu channel (if you'r enot already there.. in case others have suggestions or answers)...
[07:06] <arthur_dog> im still there
[07:06] <guiverc> glad to hear...
[07:07] <guiverc> are you comfortable with the terminal (xterm/bash/gnome-terminal/xfce-terminal...)   thinking  of getting you to run a command
[07:07] <arthur_dog> ye
[07:08] <arthur_dog> i can do that
[07:08] <arthur_dog> good ol super+t
[07:08] <guiverc> open a terminal; enter the command " ps -elf |grep dm "  (quotes are for you...)  ie. list all processes; and grep (show only) the lines with "dm" (display-manager) in them.
[07:09] <guiverc> can you confirm you see "/usr/sbin/lightdm" ... and not any other DM running
[07:09] <guiverc> please
[07:09] <arthur_dog> wait
[07:09] <arthur_dog> what do you mean " are for yu
[07:10] <guiverc> sorry ... the " were to make it easier for you to read; not for you to type...
[07:10] <arthur_dog> what do you mean " are for yu
[07:10] <arthur_dog> sorry
[07:10] <arthur_dog> typo
[07:10] <arthur_dog> its alright
[07:10] <arthur_dog> i got it
[07:10] <arthur_dog> wait a min
[07:11] <arthur_dog> this is what i see 4 S root      2302     1  0  80   0 -  9656 -      11:22 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/lightdm
[07:11] <arthur_dog> 4 S root      2321  2302  0  80   0 - 48807 -      11:22 tty7     00:02:12 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -core :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
[07:11] <arthur_dog> 4 S root      2667  2302  0  80   0 -  6992 -      11:22 ?        00:00:00 lightdm --session-child 12 19
[07:11] <arthur_dog> 0 S thomas    5776  5761  0  80   0 -  1356 pipe_w 15:11 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto dm
[07:12] <guiverc> answer was YEP... the /usr/sbin/lightdm line was what I wanted to you look for.
[07:12] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:12] <arthur_dog> well there you have it
[07:13] <guiverc> (i'm reading...)
[07:15] <guiverc> the machine you're using currently... is that the machine with the issue?
[07:15] <arthur_dog> yes
[07:17] <guiverc> idea as work-around:   if on wake screen remains black/blank;  try the ctrl-alt-f3 (f1, f2 or any terminal), then switch back to ctrl-alt-f7 (or f8) to gui & i'm hoping gui will return-from-dead... i'm hoping this will be a workaround; it isn't a fix.. still reading for better solution
[07:17] <arthur_dog> thanks will keep in mind
[07:17] <arthur_dog> i appreciate the help
[07:18] <guiverc> most welcome: alas haven't achieved much yet.
[07:18] <arthur_dog> you're on the road for the great
[07:19] <guiverc> (did you note: ducasse said something for you on #ubuntu)
[07:19] <arthur_dog> yes i see that
[07:19] <guiverc> :)
[07:20] <arthur_dog> ;)
[07:21] <guiverc> http://xubuntu.org/news/laptop-users-fix-available-for-the-black-screen-on-unlock-bug/
[07:21] <guiverc> note: its primarily geared to 14.04 issue; you're not running 14.04
[07:21] <arthur_dog> thanks
[07:22] <guiverc> just may be worth a look!  (i'm still reading)
[07:23] <arthur_dog> ill have a look too
[07:24] <arthur_dog> no light locker settings in 16.04
[07:25] <guiverc> ok.. sorry for (i forget the right idiom... false trail; something about ducks/goose..)
[07:25] <arthur_dog> ?
[07:25] <guiverc> (if english isn't you first language - i'll have completely lost you - so sorry!)
[07:25] <arthur_dog> it is
[07:26] <arthur_dog> just im from aust
[07:26] <arthur_dog> or you might be too
[07:26] <guiverc> (i could have just lost you in it was a saying decades ago; & you're too young... i'm in melbourne!)
[07:26] <arthur_dog> perth
[07:26] <arthur_dog> but hey
[07:27] <arthur_dog> sound familiar though
[07:27] <arthur_dog> *sounds
[07:28] <arthur_dog> anyway thanks for the help, really appreciate it
[07:29] <guiverc> sorry I remember reading about this months?? back.. but have forgotten, and can't find anything...
[07:29] <guiverc> i'll be around next 30 mins; will keep looking
[07:29] <arthur_dog> thanks
[07:30] <arthur_dog>  i probably will be too.
[07:36] <guiverc> another suggestion i've seen online; if you can login via terminal (ctrl-alt-f2 for example); "sudo service lightdm restart"  ... but it's really harsh workaround... it will force close (kill!) all windows/anything open on gui & cause it DM (display-manager) to restart & take you to login screen.  it's a neuclear (last-resort) type option you might want to consider... only last resort...
[07:36] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:36] <guiverc> wild goose chase ... I think was phrase/idiom I was trying to say.
[07:37] <arthur_dog> thats familiar
[07:37] <arthur_dog> we all know that one
[07:37] <guiverc> i'd send you on a wild goose chase (incorrectly in error)
[07:38] <arthur_dog> i understand
[07:39] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:39] <arthur_dog> also what is going on on #ubuntu
[07:40] <arthur_dog> theres this weird guy who keeps coming
[07:40] <bazhang> just some spammer, nothing to bother with
[07:40] <arthur_dog> but why here i ask
[07:40] <arthur_dog> bet not thin about it
[07:40] <arthur_dog> bet=best
[07:40] <arthur_dog> thin=think
[07:40] <bazhang> lets get back to OS support please
[07:41] <arthur_dog> OK
[07:41] <arthur_dog> found anything?
[07:42] <guiverc> nope... not with google... went & grabbed my x201 (thinkpad) & going to see if happens for me (xfce) as I know it has intel graphics.
[07:42] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:42] <arthur_dog> running xenial?
[07:43] <guiverc> runs ubuntu 16.04 (yep xenial; but has XFCE, MATE, Unity DEsktops loaded)
[07:43] <arthur_dog> maybe its a problem w/ xubuntu itself...
[07:44] <guiverc> could be... i seem to recall it also occurring with MATE too as I stated earlier.. but not with Unity (standard ubuntu)
[07:44] <arthur_dog> yeah...
[07:46] <arthur_dog> i have another problem that im just going to let loose regarding the monstrosity that is gnome disks on #ubuntu
[07:46] <guiverc> gnome disks problem I'd put in #ubuntu.
[07:47] <arthur_dog> thats what im doing
[07:47] <guiverc> :)
[07:50] <guiverc> another question: what kernel are you running..  to find out type "uname -a"  (-a displays all info)    reason: a ubuntuforums.org post says it was fixed in kernel 4.4.8
[07:50] <arthur_dog> ok gimme a sec
[07:51] <guiverc> probably of no help... this desktop is running 4.4.0-36 and I think its up-to-date for 16.04.1
[07:51] <arthur_dog> 4.4.0
[07:51] <arthur_dog> ill run updater
[07:52] <guiverc> if you type "lsb_release -a" it'll display some version info; [fyi: lsb==linux_standard_base]
[07:53] <arthur_dog> or i might rok
[07:54] <arthur_dog> waht
[07:54] <arthur_dog> i didnt type that
[07:54] <arthur_dog> also im 16.04.1
[07:54] <arthur_dog> i might restart
[07:55] <arthur_dog> soon
[07:55] <guiverc> yep 16.04.1 is the latest! so you're up to date.
[07:55] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:55] <arthur_dog> well thats wierd
[07:55] <arthur_dog> im running updater now
[07:57] <arthur_dog> ok
[07:57] <arthur_dog> well seem ill just reboot
[07:57] <arthur_dog> bb
[08:01] <arthur_dog> hi
[08:01] <arthur_dog> im back
[08:01] <guiverc> howdy again.
[08:02] <arthur_dog> just did a reboot
[08:02] <arthur_dog> ill see if it does it again.
[08:03] <guiverc> other thing reading online... size of swap.space...   online says it should be ramsize+1gb at minimum; otherwise that can create issues like what you've got... what is your ramsize; and size of swapspace (ie. where it has to write the hibernate ram to)?
[08:03] <bazhang> arthur_dog, please dont crosspost this in multiple ubuntu channels
[08:04] <guiverc> arthur_dog:  "lsblk"  may help in  viewing size of swap
[08:07] <arthur_dog> im back
[08:07] <arthur_dog> the things you said didnt help much
[08:08] <arthur_dog> also 1gb of ram
[08:10] <guiverc> you have 1GB of RAM?  what is your swap (partition) size?
[08:10] <arthur_dog> actually is there a way to see how much ram i have?
[08:10] <guiverc> "free" will show it & other info
[08:11] <arthur_dog>  1022612mb doesnt look right
[08:11] <arthur_dog> more like disk space
[08:11] <guiverc> under the column under the word free; FIRST line only is memory; the second line shows ram + swap +...
[08:12] <arthur_dog> 468040mb its saying...
[08:12] <arthur_dog> dont believe it
[08:13] <guiverc> "cat /proc/meminfo" will display sysinfo about memory...  its from where utils get info.
[08:14] <guiverc> the "MemAvailable:" line looks like it applies to my ubu16.04 machine
[08:14] <arthur_dog> 645468 kB is what its saying
[08:15] <guiverc> "free -h" (-human) will show more human readable detail
[08:15] <arthur_dog> yeah i have 1 gig of ram
[08:16] <guiverc> what is your swapsize; "lsblk" or "free -h" should also show it
[08:16] <arthur_dog> saying 1 gb
[08:17] <guiverc> when you hibernate... it has to save your RAM to disk; it saves it by default in SWAP... meaning it needs 1GB of SWAP free to hibernate correctly... if you've used any swap before you tell it to hibernate; you'll have <1GB available to write your ram into it.
[08:18] <guiverc> this COULD be your problem.   my memory knowledge isn't enough to be 100% certain; but is very likely the problem you have.
[08:18] <arthur_dog> well how do i fix it
[08:18] <guiverc> swapsize should be > ram size
[08:18] <guiverc> thinking... (reading my free)
[08:21] <guiverc> an idea... before you next hibernate; you could try "sudo swapoff -a"  to turn off all swap; meaning it'll be unused by system, and available for hibernate...   then try & hibernate, restore & see if screen returns to being usable after restore...
[08:22] <arthur_dog> ok
[08:22] <arthur_dog> hold in a sec
[08:22] <guiverc> the command "sudo swapon" will turn swap on again... with swapoff; it won't be able to write memory to swap to give it more ram; meaning machine will be slower
[08:22] <guiverc> but it may help your issue (if i'm correct and its the issue)
[08:23] <arthur_dog> well im going to try it.
[08:23] <guiverc> to make swap larger... if you have some unused space on your HDD; I can provide some clues
[08:23] <arthur_dog> shoot
[08:23] <guiverc> if you don't have HDD space; you may need to shrink a partition (will take time..)
[08:23] <arthur_dog> let me check
[08:24] <arthur_dog> all partitioned
[08:24] <guiverc> HDD space = I mean unallocated space; not as in allocated but currently not storing any files or data... yep normally we allocate all space on machines we use..
[08:25] <arthur_dog> thats what i was saying
[08:25] <guiverc> i've gotta go (been over 30 mins)... but SWAP is easiest partition to change; just delete & create a new partition calling it SWAP and it'll likely get used.
[08:25] <arthur_dog> ok thanks. bb
[08:26] <guiverc> ?
[08:26] <guiverc> to change partition size; 1: BACKUP DATA in case anything goes wrong.
[08:26] <guiverc> 2:  make another backup; incase of problem with step 1.
[08:26] <arthur_dog> ok
[08:27] <arthur_dog> go on
[08:27] <guiverc> 3: boot a live image; eg. ubuntu16 or any *nix live distro; use it to shrink a partition; next to the 'swap'; delete swap partition then re-create using the old & freed space..
[08:27] <guiverc> for my system, file /etc/fstab (file system table) contains the following
[08:27] <guiverc> #UUID=4f59600e-1f6b-4e3a-a466-941a2168e327 none            swap    sw              0       0
[08:28] <guiverc> (first line with SWAP; # @ start means its ignored anyway; pre-a change)
[08:29] <guiverc> "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0"  is next "swap" line... this means my swap is encrypted...
[08:30] <guiverc> if you're /etc/fstab makes mention of a UUID partition by label/name/"/dev/sda?" (UUID=) you need to change to reflect new position... many files won't need change at all.
[08:30] <arthur_dog> ok
[08:31] <guiverc> do you understand roughly ... i'm hoping you follow the idea of what i'm saying, rather than exactly as my example may not match your system.
[08:31] <guiverc> key is to BACKUP, BACKUP, BACKUP.
[08:31] <arthur_dog> do i use dd to do the partitioning
[08:32] <guiverc> i'm on g+ if you want to ask me later; i've gotta go.  dd=datadump (as I remember it) .. fdisk is for partitioning; but i'd do it in GUI as easier.
[08:32] <arthur_dog> ok
[08:32] <arthur_dog> see you later
[08:32] <guiverc> i just gotta go sorry.... don't follow my idea until you understand & have a clear id as to what you're doing... i'm rushing due time.
[08:33] <arthur_dog> ok
[08:33] <arthur_dog> well thanks bye
[08:33] <guiverc> you can ask others... also ask if my "cause" actually fits!  (ie. your SWAP isn't large enough) .. its the best i've come up with.
[08:33] <arthur_dog> ok
[08:33] <arthur_dog> will ask
[08:34] <guiverc> increasing swap size is easy... but easier for me to do, than describe how I'd do it.
[08:34] <arthur_dog> thanks
[08:34] <arthur_dog> really appreciate it
[08:34] <arthur_dog> see you
[08:35] <guiverc> most welcome; sorry gotta go now... see you another day!  (I'm Chris)
[08:35] <arthur_dog> Se you Chris (im Thomas)
[08:35] <guiverc> bfn Thomas.
[08:35] <arthur_dog> bfn Chris
[08:55] <guiverc> too late... but @arthur_dog..  the link I should have provided is https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2329877
[10:00] <bladeplate> Hi
[10:00] <bladeplate> Finally, I was able to install xubuntu on vaio vgn-p31k !
[10:00] <bladeplate> The secret? well put on grub "acpi=off mem=1920mb"
[10:02] <bladeplate> please share the secret:P
[12:38] <arthur_dog> hey guys gnome dsks is being annoying
[12:39] <cfhowlett> arthur_dog, knock it off.
[12:39] <arthur_dog> no srsly
[12:40] <cfhowlett> yes seriously.  stop crossposting.  stop asking about gnome in xubuntu.  gnome is not IN xubuntu.
[12:41] <arthur_dog> please
[12:41] <arthur_dog> i need
[12:41] <arthur_dog> help
[12:41] <ikonia> arthur_dog: right - lets clarify
[12:41] <ikonia> state your version and problem clearly
[12:41] <cfhowlett> xfburn is the default app in xubuntu.  use that.
[12:42] <ikonia> no other noise
[12:42] <arthur_dog> What?
[12:42] <arthur_dog> i cant format a thumbdrive using xfburn
[12:42] <ikonia> arthur_dog: state your ubuntu version and problem clearly
[12:42] <arthur_dog> ok
[12:42] <arthur_dog> hold on a sec
[12:43] <arthur_dog> 16.04.1
[12:43] <arthur_dog> I get this error "Error synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0)" when I try to format a USB pendrive.
[12:44] <ikonia> arthur_dog: is this ubuntu or xubuntu to clarify
[12:44] <arthur_dog> xubuntu
[12:44] <ikonia> arthur_dog: ok - how are you "wiping" it
[12:44] <arthur_dog> deleting each partition and then new partition
[12:45] <ikonia> right, so thats not wiping it, thats destorying partitions
[12:45] <ikonia> so the first thing to make sure of, is that the pen drive hasn't automounted
[12:45] <ikonia> make sure none of the partitions are mounted
[12:45] <arthur_dog> ive done that already
[12:45] <arthur_dog> thats all good
[12:46] <ikonia> so if you delete one partiton (nothing more) and apply, what happens
[12:46] <arthur_dog> that error from before
[12:46] <ikonia> so just deleting, not re-creating or trying to put a file system on it
[12:46] <arthur_dog> look
[12:46] <ikonia> just deleting one partition, and clicking apply you get that error
[12:46] <arthur_dog> soory typo
[12:47] <arthur_dog> yes thats correct
[12:47] <ikonia> ok, eject the usb pen and put it back in and let it rescan it
[12:47] <ikonia> do you see the partition you deleted before
[12:47] <arthur_dog> ok
[12:47] <arthur_dog> the partition is still there
[12:47] <ikonia> (note eject, not just pull out)
[12:48] <ikonia> arthur_dog: ok, is it a primary or extended partition you are deleting
[12:48] <arthur_dog> primary
[12:48] <ikonia> (how many partitions are on it)
[12:48] <arthur_dog> 3
[12:48] <ikonia> so if you now delete that partition and click apply, what happens
[13:37] <HenkaN> Anyone else experiencing really slow internet on Xubuntu 16.04 after uppdating past few days?
[14:26] <TheDcoder> Does Xubuntu have make installed by default?
[14:26] <TheDcoder> The "make" command I mean :)
[16:52] <knob> Hey guys... looking for a way to "move" a window to another monitor.  I have two monitors, wondering if I can create a shortcut to move the window to the "other" monitor.
[16:52] <knob> I saw this: https://makandracards.com/makandra/12447-how-to-move-a-window-to-the-next-monitor-on-xfce-xubuntu
[16:52] <knob> Wondering if you know of a better way?
[16:55] <xlinuxusr> Does anybody inhere have a hanging console inhere after several encounters with the mouse cursor getting lost when coming out of screenlock which can be bypassed by switching to vt1 and back to vt7, doing that for a few times hangs al of my vt's
[16:57] <xlinuxusr> ow i do have to mention that vt7 and deskto remain fully functional
[17:02] <knob> xlinuxusr, I believe that bug still hasn't been solved...
[17:03] <knob> Oddly enough, in my laptop, it happens.  vt1-->vt7 switch pops the cursor back.     Yet, in my desktop (dual monitor), the cursor does disappear.  Yet moving it to one monitor, and back to the original "main" monitor, re-appears the cursor.
[17:04] <xlinuxusr> knob, thx for responding. if you refer to the cursor bug yes i know it is registered but the console hangings consurn me more actualy
[17:04] <knob> Ah... ok ok.   I can't be of much help there! Sorry :)
[17:08] <xlinuxusr> thats oke, it is a very vage issue which i have never seen in my 20+ years use of linux
[17:08] <knob> 20+ years!  I envy you!!   I started about 2-3 years ago... and wouldn't go back every.
[17:08] <knob> I do have a paid Windows10 license inside a VirtualMachine... yet I power it up around 1 or two times per year.
[17:08] <xlinuxusr> oke, that sounds like fun
[17:09] <xlinuxusr> yeah welk you know i don't like to breg about it to much but i started in the very early days the dawn of linux so to speak.. :-)
[17:11] <xlinuxusr> i thaught best ask here first before i start to rip kernels appart again.. :P
[17:14] <xlinuxusr> oh well i guess i don't have a lot of options left then....
[17:18] <xlinuxusr> knob thx for trying to help, keep at it and you will learn a lot if you devote your time and efford, god knows when i was where you are now i thaught i was never gonna make it,  CHEERS MAN!  :-)