[00:35] is there anyone on in this channel? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [01:34] anyone here? [01:34] or is it still just me === JanC is now known as Guest19696 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:09] i have a question [07:11] OTA 13 today? [07:11] charlee_: hey! This week for sure, but I would realistically expect it tomorrow/Wednesday [07:11] popey: hello, do you know why I'm unable to change the topic? [07:12] I seemed to be able in the past [07:12] sil2100, thanks. i can wait until tomorrow [07:14] sil2100: Topic has been locked down on the other server too. I think topic got abused by too many people too many times(?) [07:15] charlee_: Yes it must be close: "Expected: 7 hours ago" ;) [07:15] https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13 [07:15] sil2100: it was locked because people abused it [07:15] sil2100: op yourself and you will be able to I believe [07:15] And this is why we can't have nice things [07:15] popey: oh, thanks ;) [07:16] np === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-13 in final testing! [07:16] * duflu high fives the collective channel === Lawayney is now known as Laney === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [10:58] mardy, hey, about bug #1625128 - what's your image#? we fixed this for OTA13 bug #1595569 [10:58] bug 1625128 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "indicator menu should be dismissed when power button is pressed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1625128 [10:58] bug 1595569 in Canonical System Image "Indicators panel doesn't close when turning screen off" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1595569 [10:58] I just tried here and indeed when I pull an indicator down over the greeter and turn screen off and on, I can see the greeter === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:00] marking as dupe for now === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:17] Saviq: yup, I'm on OTA-12 [11:17] Saviq: that's good news, thanks :-) [11:25] Can somebody help me with the verification of a click package? I am getting this "TypeError: object of type 'NoneType' has no len()" error https://paste.ubuntu.com/23201071/ https://gitlab.com/vitimiti/System76-Unofficial/tree/stable [11:42] vitimiti, you're missing an "app" entry in the manifest, no? [11:42] * Saviq not sure about the manifest format, looks it up [11:42] Saviq, I honestly don't know, that's the default manifest [11:44] hmm no, mine dumb one looks the same [11:44] The manifest says app isn't supported [11:45] It just says unknown error [11:45] Hm, maybe if I try uploading it I'll get some more information on the problem with my click package [11:45] vitimiti, hmm it packaged and click-reviewed just fine [11:45] vitimiti, btw, you want the -web framework for a web app [11:46] The Ubuntu store says "__all__: The name in the manifest must be the package fullname."? [11:46] Saviq, oh, I'll try that [11:47] vitimiti, it'd be best if you'd use the Ubuntu SDK to edit the manifest [11:47] -web says it doesn't exist [11:47] Saviq, I'm doing so [11:47] vitimiti, ok, the name needs to be "system76.vitimiti", if that's your namespace in the store [11:47] But the web app manifest is the raw file instead of a GUI [11:47] Alright, let me try that [11:48] vitimiti, sorry, -html, not -web [11:48] "__all__: The uploaded package name (system76.vitimiti) does not use your namespace (vitimiti-package)" I'll try with vitimiti-system76 then [11:49] Back to the beginning, "__all__: The name in the manifest must be the package fullname." and still the unknown error when verifying it on the SDK [11:49] I can install it in my device, though and it works [11:54] If I try creating a new web app the SDK crashes completely... I feel like I shouldn't have used the SDK ppa [11:56] Getting the same error with a dummy web app, with the default files [11:56] I'll try undoing what the ppa has done, maybe that'll help me [11:56] vitimiti, it looks like your namespace is "vitimiti-package" [11:56] you may want to change that in the store settings [11:56] the package would need to be named "system76.vitimit-package" [11:57] +i [11:57] I see [11:59] I'm going to get it downgraded anyway cause it crashes too much and then I'll try it again, thanks Saviq [12:00] vitimiti, which PPA were you using, btw? it would be good to get crash reports [12:00] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/platform/sdk/installing-the-sdk/ <- the one from there [12:00] ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:23] Alright, and the downgraded version can't even open the options without crashing, that's nice [12:23] I don't know what's going on === _salem is now known as salem_ === petevg is now known as petevg_afk [13:55] hey guys, are there any problems with the OTA-13 releasing process? Because there's still no commitlog and I don't see the images on the systemimage server too [13:57] robinhero: it's not released yet [13:58] davmor2, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/19/over-the-air-13-has-landed/ [13:59] robinhero: released by accident [14:00] ohh, okay [14:00] so what's the correct release date? :) [14:01] when sil2100 says so [14:02] davmor2, but today? :) [14:02] robinhero: probably not no, this week though hopefully [14:03] okay, thanks [14:04] I like the idea of accidental releases. We should have more of them :) [14:05] in fact there should be a schedule for that [14:06] lets surprise everyone and release 19.04 tomorow :) [14:07] matv1: that was yesterday did you miss the party? [14:07] ahh noo your kidding me? [14:07] what is it called? no that we ran out of animals [14:07] now* [14:09] I vote for developers: 19.04- Profesional Popey [14:09] if only it were a vote [14:09] matv1: Everybody_wants_to_rule_the_world_be_we_already_do-ubuntu-desktop-amd64.iso you should be able to find it no issues ;) [14:11] is OTA 13 still vivid, not xenial? [14:11] davmor2 haha [14:14] TheKit: vivid + special sauce [14:14] is aarch64-support xenial only? [14:14] TheKit: yes [14:16] matv1: I'd hate to think what ogra_'s adjective would be for the 23.04 release [14:17] then, is Ubuntu Touch on Xenial completely broken (unbootable) or just with bugs? [14:18] AIUI it boots and has bugs [14:18] *BONUS* [14:19] mcphail, i wouldnt care about the naming scheme ... but i think we should re-work the versioning and measuer in davmors ... (obviously davmor1 abd davmor2 are already taken though ... we'd have to start counting at davmor3) [14:21] ogra_: aren't davmors zero indexed? [14:22] oh, that might be [14:22] so xenial currently is devel-proposed channel only, right? [14:22] TheKit: nope that is yakkety [14:23] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/image-channels/ - the documentation here is a bit outdated then [14:23] so xenial is rc-proposed? [14:23] TheKit: probably [14:24] TheKit: nope [14:24] TheKit: there is only one image at the moment but it really isn't available for daily consumption [14:25] hm, I see [14:25] I wanted to port on MTK Helio X10 device, which has 32-bit hwcomposer library broken, so no way but aarch64 [14:26] pmcgowan: is OTA-13 out for mako? [14:27] pmcgowan: also, would you like to be on the community team Q&A next week, Tuesday at 1500 UTC? [14:27] ogra_: May I have your attention please? Will the real davmor2 please stand up, I repeat will the real davmor2 please stand up? We're going to have a problem here [14:27] mhall119, I was just chcking on the release, I have not heard [14:27] davmor2, you're so shady today ! [14:27] and slim ! [14:28] mhall119, whats the Q&A topic for next week? [14:28] ogra_: it's just the filter on the webcam ;) [14:28] there isn't one, but we've been getting questions about plans to move the phablet images to 16.04 and snappy bases [14:28] we certainly haven't run out of animals [14:28] I see [14:28] nana [14:29] err [14:29] haha [14:29] mhall119, let me get back to you soonish [14:29] ok [14:29] davmor2: no, devel-proposed is xenial. we don't build yakkety images afaik [14:30] sil2100: ^ [14:30] sil2100: is rc-prop xenial or yakkety [14:30] dev-prop even [14:32] Saviq, I managed to upload the System76 app to the store properly after downgrading the SDK and fixing some problems the package had with the options, thanks for your help [14:33] davmor2: either way, devel-proposed is sad and hasn't had new images since august afaict [14:33] davmor2, dobey: devel-proposed is yakkety, we have a separate set of channels for xenial [14:33] eww, why do we have yakkety images at all [14:33] vitimiti, glad [14:33] Yeah, devel-proposed was busted since there were issues with click installation, was waiting for the new click with the fix to be released [14:33] Well, requirement of the release team [14:34] Since we're releasing yakkety packages for touch there need to be images where these packages are to be tested [14:34] So devel always points to the latest series [14:34] but it's impossible to test there [14:34] dobey: it's like I knew what I was talking about and everything ;) [14:35] so what channel is xenial then? [14:35] dobey: trade secret [15:05] I've read rumors about a fully converged BQ phone upcoming [15:05] is this true, or are these outdated news for the M10 tablet? [15:08] ooh, we love rumours, here === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === TheKit is now known as NotKit [15:48] I hope it's true, because even though my phone can survive for a while longer, the usb connector is dangling a bit menacingly [15:51] brunch875: same here. Oh, and my screen is about to fall off. [15:52] Amazing how many falls the bq can survive [15:52] my screen still hasn't had a single scratch [15:53] and I drop it like errrrryday [15:54] My screen isn't cracked, but the holding bezel has seen better dyas [15:55] is BQ the new nokia? :p [16:03] * popey cuddles his collection of bq e4.5's [16:04] I knew popey was collecting utouches... but not a whole set of e4.5's :P [16:04] the one I don't have is the e5 [16:04] I have 5 e4.5's though [16:05] mostly donated [16:05] hah [16:07] That would make an unique 2016 x-mas tree, popey [16:14] hah [16:35] kenvandine, jgdx, is anyone working on making u-s-s not depends on biometryd? [16:35] willcooke, ^ [16:38] abeato, hey! Thanks for the comments on the Trello board. I'm not /too/ bothered about flight-mode showing up and doing nothing - I think we can live with that. But i-n sounds like it needs some work - do you know who would normally work on that? [16:39] seb128, i haven't looked at it [16:39] jgdx, can you look into that? [16:42] kenvandine, jgdx, should be use the MIR bug for that? [16:43] seb128, that's fine with me [16:47] renatu, what happens if syncevolution is missing? Will things break? [16:48] willcooke, there is some packages that depend on that. We will need to remove all others packages [16:48] I never tested that [16:49] seb128, ^ [16:49] willcooke, there is a lot of people using syncevolution, it will make a lot of people sad [16:49] renatu, which ones? apt-cache rdepends says it's in the touch seed but nothing else depends on it [16:49] seb128, sync-monitor [16:50] renatu, we are not speaking about changing the phone, just about the desktop session [16:50] and only 16.10 [16:50] renatu, nothing is bringing in sync-monitor either [16:51] we can add more for 17.04 [16:51] no sync stack on desktop/16.10 imho [16:51] syn-monitor is used to sync calendar. [16:52] bfiller, ^^ [16:52] seb128, willcooke, renatu: what does calendar on unity7 use? If unity8 is in session on unity7 won't that pull in evolution sync? [16:53] davmor2, most of the desktop guys probably use evolution. [16:53] there are a lot of assumptions in things in the unity8 session which don't make sense on a PC [16:53] e-d-s [16:56] renatu, the idea is that if we can get away with not MIRing it for 16.10 - then that's preferred to save time. We can improve in 17.04 [16:56] so if things don't explode in a ball of fiery death, I'd like to leave it out [16:57] willcooke, yes we can keep it out, and try. I think nothing will explode :D [16:57] The ubuntu calendar doesn't "work" in Unity7 without evolution [16:58] mcphail, yes, but we are talking about sync-evolution [16:58] mcphail, we will still have EDS. right willcooke ? [16:59] renatu, yeah, correct [16:59] hokay. Sorry for interrupting! :) === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [17:02] renatu, I will comment on the card and say it's not needed - would you be able to do a quick sanity check to make sure it's not going to break other things? [17:03] willcooke, any image/iso that I can use to test? [17:03] kenvandine, ack! [17:03] or just remove it from the phone and test is enough? [17:05] renatu, actually thinking about it some more - I think we're ok. Because it's not being installed in the tests davmor2 and seb128 are doing - so I think we're ok [17:05] willcooke, ok nice [17:05] there'll be missing functionality, but no fiery death [17:06] willcooke: wow I'm doing tests........this isn't the calendar your looking for........wow tests okay [17:26] willcooke, Wellark these days I thinj [17:26] *think [17:26] thanks abeato [17:26] Wellark, will follow up by email [17:26] np [17:32] alecu, pete-woods: ^^ re: indicator-network on PCs [17:38] dobey: what exactly about that? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [17:53] alecu, just sent an email about it [17:55] thanks [17:57] willcooke: antti has been sick for the past couple of days. I'll try to find somebody to work on that if he's not around. [17:57] alecu, thank you sir [18:09] alecu: sorry, missed that. mostly I think it's just that it doesn't really support any sort of wired connections at the moment. in my VM it shows the generic gear icon (because there's no wired icon), and only stuff in the menu is wifi bits, and my VM doesn't have wifi. [18:09] not sure what other issues might be there though [18:10] mterry: hey, does https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity-scope-click/initdb-readme/+merge/306135 alleviate your concerns re: departments.db ? [18:12] dobey, willcooke: indicator network is missing the ethernet functionality known issue I believe The more annoying one is the battery indicator is missing a powered only settings and screen dim does zero [18:13] davmor2: for fun time, go to "About" in settings and try to enable developer mode :P [18:13] dobey: known issue, you want fun try and change the brightness in system settings [18:14] dobey: there is no brightnes/display menu at all [18:15] davmor2: or better, try to change your password [18:16] dobey: there is a list a mile long trust me :) [18:16] i know [18:17] davmor2: anyway i was just pinging alecu and pete about that, as antti is out sick. [18:18] * davmor2 pokes oSoMoN on desktop browser still points to mobile sites there is a bug for that already right? [18:22] davmor2: what, you don't want to install the android app?! it's in the play store! [18:23] * davmor2 beats dobey with a lettuce leaf for suggesting I install an app fullstop :P [18:24] davmor2: not me. http://beta.speedtest.net :) [18:25] dobey: go to speedof.me [18:25] no [18:25] it doesn't work [18:25] dobey: yes it does it is just in mobile view [18:27] davmor2: no, it tests against a crappy server, and is just incredibly slow. my internet is too fast for speedof.me. also, it's really ugly and complains about ad blockers all over the place [18:27] ie, it doesn't work :) [18:28] dobey: it's more the display I'm interested in :) [18:28] davmor2, no specific bug, is it happening for all websites? or just some of them? if the latter, a list of domains affected would be useful. in any case, app logs please [18:28] davmor2: speedtest.net is also a lot prettier :) [18:29] oSoMoN: yeah I'll see what I can pull. but it's looking like a lot of sites but some look similar in both mobile and desktop so it's hard to tell sometimes :) [18:37] davmor2, do you have the app logs handy? do they claim that the mobile UA overrides were loaded, by any chance? that would indicate a global bug, not site-specific [18:38] oSoMoN: just digging them out now and filing a bug give 10minutes [18:38] oSoMoN: at least with beta.speedtest.net it seems the problem is the "Android" in the UA === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [18:39] dobey, on desktop there should not be an Android token in the UA, if there’s one it’s a bug, what does http://whatsmyua.com say? [18:43] oSoMoN: checking... [18:44] oSoMoN: "Ubuntu 16.04 like Android 4.4" [18:44] oSoMoN: it also says "Mobile" in the UA [18:45] dobey, that’s clearly wrong then, that’s a bug, is that on plain desktop or a phone hooked up to an external monitor? [18:46] oSoMoN: xenial+overlay unity8-desktop-session-mir installed in a kvm instance [18:48] mmm, that might be a bug in how the screen size is reported by qtubuntu maybe [18:48] dobey, mind filing a bug report with full details? [18:49] oSoMoN: hmm, it's 1024x768 (and i've no way to change it for mir it seems) [18:49] oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1625314 [18:49] Ubuntu bug 1625314 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu webbrowser app sometimes shows sites in mobileview" [Undecided,New] [18:49] but sure, i guess i can file a bug. would be a bit easier if i could figure out how to get cut/paste sharing between kvm and host [18:50] oSoMoN: anything else you need?# [19:02] dobey, in theory only the screen physical size matters, not the resolution [19:03] oSoMoN: well that doesn't make much sense either. i have laptops with smaller screens than lots of phones have [19:04] oSoMoN: but the session indicator shows "Desktop Mode" toggle and it's enabled, so i guess qtubuntu thinks the right thing (and man is that word annoying) [19:04] dobey, really? that sounds wrong (the phones with screen larger than desktops) [19:05] dobey, how big are your phones (and how small are your laptops)? [19:05] oSoMoN: i have one laptop that's a 5.6" screen [19:05] oSoMoN: another that's 10" [19:06] i mean, the M10 is a 10" screen too, and the Pro 5 is a 5.6" (or was it 6"?) screen [19:07] (of course the screen physical size is just a heuristic, currently the threshold is set at 19cm IIRC, i.e. 7.48") [19:07] so all your phones should get a mobile UA string, and the M10 a desktop one (intended) [19:08] as for your 5.6" laptop, it’s pretty damn small, so it will get a mobile UA string, but that doesn’t sound like a bad thing [19:08] trust me, it is [19:09] dobey, purely out of curiosity, what’s the make/model of that laptop? [19:09] oSoMoN: Fujitsu U820 [19:11] interesting [19:12] we should probably tie the use of a mobile UA string to the presence of a touch screen [19:12] (on top of the existing screen size heuristic) [19:13] oSoMoN: you should probably also follow the toggle setting [19:13] dobey, yes [19:16] dobey: sorry just noticed your ping earlier [19:18] dobey: so that's helpful. But it doesn't address my complaint of "which languages are in the default database and thus need to be specified" nor "what should my system be like before I run this command" -- i.e. what clicks should I make sure to install etc. (also, why copy the database elsewhere first? and should the "sqlite3 data/departments.db" example [19:18] command be "sqlite3 deparments.db-new" instead?) [19:20] oSoMoN, although not strictly a touch screen right? otherwise my laptop would get mobile :) [19:20] mterry: the example was a brainfart from copy+paste, yeah [19:22] mterry: copying the file is to work on a temporary copy, to avoid destroying existing data while updating with additional languages. [19:22] That's what bzr is for! :) But sure, ok [19:23] But anyway, that extra README is just more details about how you COULD run it. I want to know how *you* ran it to originally make the file. [19:23] mterry: why is that important? [19:24] dobey: so that if you go on vacation, someone can update that file without calling your cell phone [19:24] And just on general priciple [19:24] mterry: i described exactly how to *update* the file [19:24] dobey: right... for a given language, and assuming the system the user is on is exactly the same as the one you ran it on originally? [19:24] mterry: so do we require documentation specifically detailing how artists draw artwork in PNG files, or textures for 3D games? [19:25] So what languages are shipped in that default database? [19:25] What system did you run it on originally? [19:25] i didn't run it originally [19:25] mterry: what i'm saying is, you're ascribing a certain level of importance to something, which is not that important [19:25] mardy, hey, are you working on amending hard coded paths in online accounts? [19:26] dobey: so the file gets updated with whatever list of clicks you have installed when you run init-departments, right? [19:26] mterry: really, the only reason this would ever need to be updated within the source tree itself is if we ever ship a new phone in a new country [19:27] rsalveti, hey gotta a moment to talk about PA? [19:27] dobey: and if I were to run init-departments on my laptop right now to update the file, and I didn't have all the same clicks installed as are in that database right now, would init-departments drop a line from the database? Just fail to update that click's info? [19:27] dobey: or what if translations for a click get updated? [19:28] Oh you're saying this is only useful for first shipment [19:28] mterry: there are bugs already filed about removing the package:department mapping. [19:28] mterry: yes, it's only useful for first shipment. the database gets copied to user's home dir, and is updated when they change language and reboot [19:29] or if they install/remove packages [19:29] mterry: not having the click installed when you run the tool doesn't delete the entry [19:30] dobey: but doesn't update the entry either I assume? (nor add it if you are adding a new language to the db) === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:30] So it is ideal to have all the clicks in the db installed when you run the tool [19:30] mterry: what i added to the README is basically exactly what I did when I updated the db to have the Chinese locales a few months ago, when we were preparing the turbo release [19:30] no [19:30] this database is not ideal [19:31] which is why the goal is to get rid of it [19:31] however, we do not have enough time to do that for yakkety [19:32] I know the db is not ideal, and that you want to replace it. But I'm saying we are currently shipping files that only you know how to maintain. And I don't know why you find that acceptable. We don't need to replace the db by yakkety, but you certainly have enough time to write a simple README explaining how you made that file. [19:33] mterry: alternatively i could "fix" bug #1346957 and just remove the code from the tool (and scope) which deals with the package mapping. which then makes it only a database of translations [19:33] bug 1346957 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Remove entries for departments db" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346957 [19:33] mterry: how many core devs can recreate all of the PNGs or audio files we ship in a default install? [19:34] hello, how to compile bqm10 kernel? [19:34] mterry: why don't we require DAW project files for sound themes to be in main? [19:35] Those are shipped in their "preferred form of modification". If we had files that generated the PNG, we had better dang include that in the source we ship. Else we aren't compatible with the DFSG [19:35] mterry: i don't see the point in writing a README to replicate something, which a) requires a specific phone to run the tool on to actually do b) is going to be deleted [19:36] is the cit-aarch64-blahblah needed together with the source which is downloadable from launchpad? I couod not find the exact manual how to do it. [19:37] dobey: is it hard to write the README? Or are you resisting on principle? [19:37] Seems like it would take 5 mins [19:38] mterry: from my POV it seems you are the one resisting on principle. I'm just trying to understand why this is necessary when we ship literally thousands of files for which this requirement is not met. [19:38] woo paste works in ota 13 I read on a bug reprt, and omgubuntu [19:38] now just need working clickable links in libertine as well! [19:39] * SebthreeBQM10HD waits for ota 13 to be on the updater, not yet for me [19:39] mterry: and yes, i do not want to invest more time in "improving" something which we intend to get rid of anyway [19:40] !?! [19:40] !patience sem-geologist [19:40] dobey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:41] no, I am just. astonished by this disscussion... [19:41] mterry: i'm not trying to be "difficult" or anything. but you seem to be assuming that i'm the one who originally created the database or wrote the tool (i am not) and that the contents of the database are somehow much more important than they actually are [19:42] dobey: sure my stance is mostly principle. Part of a MIR is to make sure the package is well-maintained. This is a red flag to me, and I'm so confused why you don't also see it as bad practice. But it's also currently shipping the database. You want to replace it before we next update it, granted. But what if that doesn't happen. What if we do want to [19:42] update it. Not the likeliest scenario, but really. Just 5 mins, far less work than arguing about it with me [19:42] dobey: ah. So you didn't make the db. Are you saying that you don't know how to reproduce it? [19:44] mterry: no i'm saying it is unimportant. simply running the tool and getting an empty database is equally fine for the purposes of including it in an installation with unity8-desktop-session-mir. in fact on yakkety it's even superfluous, because we can't support installation of clicks on yakkety, and snaps do not have departments in the store as of yet. [19:44] mterry: if you want to update the database, the instructions are very clear and stated in the MP i just pointed you at [19:45] Sure, I don't think that MP makes it any better in ways I care about, but it seems like a more verbose README, which is good. [19:45] mterry: and no, IMO, having an sqlite database in the source tree is not necessarily a red flag. but perhaps i am being a bit more pragmatic than you are [19:47] dobey: I'll assign this MIR to another member of the team. You seem unwilling to make the changes I request. Maybe another reviewer will not care about those changes like I do. [19:48] mterry: i'm just trying to understand the problem :( [19:49] I feel like I've spelled it out several times. We seem to be talking across each other. [19:49] well you told me i need to describe how to update the file, which is exactly what i did, and then you tell me it doesn't tell you how to update the file [19:49] so yeah [19:51] dobey: I understand how to run the command to update the file, yes. The original README told me that. But nothing in the source tells me how to reproduce the environment to run the command in, nor which languages to pass on the command line (which languages are in the current db). I've spelled that distinction out several times. [19:58] so what abou the kenel? I have xperience with complng/debugng conventional kernel and armhf(on allwiner devices) however this one is kind differen [19:59] kernel* sorry, writing from m10, can see the whqt Iam writing, as it is behind osk [20:08] sem-geologist: do you have any experience building android images? [20:08] sem-geologist: really you don't just build the kernel itself, but the kernel is built as part of the image building process [20:08] oh, that would explain a lot [20:09] is this cit-aarch64 stuff needed from bq github to compile it? [20:09] i suppose you could possibly build the kernel on its own, but just getting a vmlinuz file isn't all that useful for these types of devices [20:09] Good Eve [20:10] i don't know anything about that bit. i've not built the m10 tree myself [20:10] first results from my experiment: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-x/help/ubuntu-touch-hox-experiment-device-t3457461 [20:11] dobey, I got a splash screen already xD [20:11] Maybe someone want to look at this kmsg log, at the very end: http://pastebin.com/1PF178e9 [20:12] I need some help with the unknown cgroup errors, and the other strange log lines [20:14] so now I got the right name xD [20:15] cool. unfortunately i can't help you. i know almost nothing about porting :) [20:16] Yeah... I have some nice guys on ubports, but I also try to reach out to the wider community here [20:16] but somehow this channel is never really busy xD [20:17] always busy, but i think maybe you just come on here when the people you probably need to talk to are already gone :) [20:18] dobey,thanks for honest answer. I thin I will try to make some sens from nice manual and source available for bq E4.5, I tqhink I could trace back. how it is done. There are some readya scripts in m10 kernl foldrr, I just hoped somebody here would know how to use them exactly... [20:19] sem-geologist: why are you wanting to build your own kernel anyway? [20:20] hehe [20:20] what is the preferred UTC time then [20:22] flohack: EU/UK normal working hours are probably the best time to ask about porting in here [20:22] lots of usb peripherals is not compiled, like i.e. serial/usb stufff [20:22] hmm mdobey at this time I work myself in office lol [20:22] but Ok will try [20:23] sem-geologist: yes, because the kernel has to be under a certain size, and doesn't have modules. not sure why, but this is just how kernels are built on android based devices [20:23] sem-geologist be aware of the kernel size, [20:23] ha wanted to say the same xD [20:23] On my port device I have only 8MB [20:23] Ad it needs to fit kernel and ramdisk [20:24] But I must say Ubuntu Ramdisk is 2x the sze of Cyanogen [20:24] sem-geologist: deviating much from the manufacturer's kernel config can make things really complex to maintain, so for the most part our kernel is the same as the android kernel on the android version of the devices [20:24] maybe it could be made smaller [20:24] I would like to do a lot of cool. things, not only check my mail, or loo to calendar (I am scientist, There was alwais the void for linux machine, the portable one to gather and interpret the spatial data in place [20:24] I had already to cut into the CM kernel for my device and remove actually stuff... NTFS support, USB Net adapters, USB sound etc [20:25] well I dont want to disappoint to, but we are limited still to the android way. Ubuntu is more a "user task" running on top of android [20:25] sem-geologist: i'm not disagreeing with your desires. i'm simply explaining the situation :) [20:25] Plus all hardware drivers are closed source [20:25] well I chcked, actually a lot of stuff (especially whch would be handy for such tinkerrers as me ) are disabled on UT kernel config [20:26] you need to use lots of vendor stuff [20:26] sem-geologist: they are disabled in android too [20:26] yes you will enable it and then try to flash it, and it will be too big ;) [20:26] no, I just checked, and they Re not [20:26] All the usb serial stuff is enabled on android, also bluetooth serial [20:27] bluetooth serial works fine in ubuntu [20:27] and afaik, there is no kernel driver for doing serial over bluetooth [20:28] sem-geologist: are you comparing actual android, for this specific device, or cyanogen, or some other android kernel? [20:29] the bq one for android [20:29] App development question. I want to build an app for pass (http://passwordstore.org), which is a shell script that calls git and gpg. I've found out how to use C++ to call a shell command. Is it possible to include the script, git and gpg with an app and just stick GUI on top, or would I need to re-implement the functionality in C++ using the relevant libraries? [20:29] Is OTA-13 out today? [20:30] marxjohnson: generally you'd be better off writing a complete app using relevant libraries, but you should be able to include git/gnupg and exec them from your app's code [20:31] marxjohnson: the trick though for running external comands is knowing the path. QProcess is the API you'd use from a C++ Qt app [20:32] dobey: that's what I was wondering, if it would be possible to have the git and gpg binaries packaged with the app, such that I'd know where to call them [20:34] thank you, dobey, I am going to try the stuff out... [20:34] Any news when ota-13 is due for release ? [20:34] e4.5 here [20:34] jgdx: hi! I had a look, but the only hardcoded path I found was the icon path in the .settings file [20:34] launchpad said it was release 20 hours ago === Danielthebague is now known as Danieltheba === Danieltheba is now known as Danielyou [20:38] Danielyou: it is phased release, so the update will eventually appear for your device. just be patient. if you have notifications enabled and are logged in to ubuntu one on your device, it will probably download automatically and you'll get an update when it's done [20:40] Thanks I'll try and be more patient. [20:40] I always look forward to a new release [20:40] Danielyou, it hasnt been published yet, per lukasz mail tomorrow or wed is expected [20:42] Another question will libertine or desktop apps work on the e4.5 [20:45] technically, test, but realistically no. the e4.5 doesn't have enough RAM for it to be useful or responsive [20:47] dobey the lucas email? [20:47] dobey, so is ota 13 actually waiting to go to devices now or not? [20:48] * SebthreeBQM10HD thinks being able to copy and paste between libertine and natie will be useful at times [20:49] SebthreeBQM10HD: lukasz, but i didn't say that. [20:49] SebthreeBQM10HD: i guess it's waiting to be released tomorrow. [20:49] Danielyou, also you dont have any external display connection on e4.5 [20:50] and the aethercast is not enabled there [20:50]