[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all you cyberhippies
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <popey> hello
[08:28] <brobostigon> hello
[08:30] <davmor2> Hello, is it me your looking for?
[08:31] <brobostigon> i was looking for my cuppa, but remeber i forgot it in the kitchen. lol.
[08:32] <brobostigon> remebered*
[08:55] <davmor2> things ain't cooking in my kitchen, strange affliction what can this be
[10:48] <diddledan> morning
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:48] <popey> word
[10:48] <diddledan> davmor2: my hair is short atm, so I'm less hippylike for the foreseeable :-p
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> job interviews... making geeks get haircuts since forever...
[10:49] <diddledan> lmao
[10:49] <diddledan> I got some work from it though :-)
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> so a small sacrifice traded for some geek cred... :-P
[10:51] <diddledan> why is every security blog talking about covering your webcam because the fbi dude does it, right now?
[10:52] <popey> because mark zuckerberg does it?
[10:52] <zmoylan-pi> because i've been covering my webcams and phone cams with tape for years and he's just copying me...
[10:52] <diddledan> I prefer to let whoever hacks me to see me in the nude. that'll make them mentally-scarred for life
[10:53] <davmor2> diddledan: you deal in cyber and freedom you are a cyberhippie no matter what length your hair is :)
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> it does seem interesting that no manufacturers offer a laptop/tablet/phone with physical switches for microphones/cams
[10:53] <popey> diddledan: he saw you do it?
[10:53] <diddledan> davmor2: awesomesauce
[10:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: probably because they're schills for the government :-p
[10:54]  * diddledan buffs-up his tin-foil
[10:54] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you fool thats so the nsa and gchq can monitor you ;)
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> it's also an admission of defeat if the fbi and mark zuckerburg cover their cams.  if they can't be on a secure network then who can...
[10:54] <diddledan> tin-foil needs to be as shiny as possible. the more shiny, the better they are at blocking the mindrays
[10:54] <davmor2> oh hang on knock at the door..........mmmmffmffmfmfmfmfffffmf......run the men in black are real
[10:55] <diddledan> the men in black wear red
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> should be easy to kill so... :-P
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> even near misses....
[11:05] <diddledan> how not to answer a probing question into national security from a US general: http://www.vocativ.com/357132/the-cyber-is-so-big-donald-trump-on-web-security/
[11:08] <davmor2> diddledan: he really shouldn't be allowed to talk
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> take away the pong paddles too, they're beyond him...
[11:30] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_m5AlsQqcs
[12:21] <diddledan> wat: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/worlds-smallest-working-mame-cabinet/
[12:21] <diddledan> that's small
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> so you can put it on a keyring...
[12:24] <diddledan> lol
[12:24] <foobarry> has anyone watched citizenfour? is it worth watching vs new snowden film?
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> i really liked citizen 4, haven't seen new snowden film yet... probably a fingerprint check at local cinema to help speed up rounding up the dangerous intellectuals... :-)
[12:25] <foobarry> not sure i'd want to see such a film at cinema
[12:26] <foobarry> 10+ quid for a documentary style thing
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> i'll get it on dvd from bargain bin in a few months like per usual
[12:27] <diddledan> they'll be running facial recog and bluetooth, wifi, and cellular snooping
[12:27] <diddledan> I might acquire it somehow
[12:27] <diddledan> I might even pay for it
[12:27] <diddledan> :-p
[12:28] <diddledan> apparently there's been announcements that it's all lies
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> which means it's all true
[12:28] <diddledan> yup
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's not true unless the nsa/cia accuse it of lies
[12:29] <diddledan> there have been claims that he washed out of the military rather than the film's claim that he broke his legs
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> they just want a chance to break his legs again
[12:29] <diddledan> they have said he wasn't a consultant but merely a techy
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> a techy on a zero hours contract probably so independent contractor or consultant... :-)
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's a pain when your plans for cheap labour turn around and bite you...
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> and also worrying that such a low techie could access such data
[12:30] <diddledan> and he stole 1.5 million documents (the number he has said they worked-out based on the knowledge that his bosses asked him to download 1.5 million documents for official use)
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> imagine if he had of had a second floppy disk... :-P
[12:31] <diddledan> lmao
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> thank goodness the guy who unblocked the bogs didn't go rogue... with his keys he could have accessed way more data by the sound of it... :-P
[13:03] <Azelphur> I'm starting to get tempted to build a headless Windows machine and use Steam in house streaming, anyone else doing/done this? :)
[13:30] <diplo> Good start to the day, get called back to school for my youngest as he is projectile vomitted, get him home and he's fine... now playing and running around with my sisters dog... now have to look after him for 48 hours instead of school :/
[13:31] <popey> awww
[13:32] <diplo> If anything goes into his tomach that he hasn't digested or he coughs badly, he vommits :/ happens rarely, he's not ill.. just happens, but each time we need to keep him out for 48 hours
[13:33] <diplo> yet if we want to take him out for a day on holiday out of school all hell breaks loose because he needs to catch up. I understand if he was ill, but docs agree with us, the school don't
[14:05] <Seeker`> diplo: "Hi, <kid's> school? Yeah, he projectile vomited this morning, we'd better keep him at home for 48 hours". *go off on holiday for a day*
[14:07] <diplo> Seeker`: The ex has used that already, I just don't get the arguement :)
[14:07] <diplo> I've tried discussing it with the head, didn't get anywhere, she's steadfast because 'goverment says' and nothing else
[14:09] <popey> Seeker`: I am outraged you'd suggest teaching a child such activites!
[14:09] <diplo> :P
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> if they allow one little change to the rules written down and it goes wrong then it's all on them... they're not going to risk their job for that
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> all it would take is some other kids parents complaining that their little timmy got sick when your sprog was banished for 48 hours...
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> *wasn't
[15:20] <Seeker`> Yarr, it be international talk like a pirate day
[15:21] <diddledan> be that as it may
[15:25] <foobarry> need some perl help again guys :S
[15:26] <foobarry> how can i check if an array contains a matching name
[15:27] <foobarry> e.g. if ingredient is not included in a list of allergic ingredients
[15:27] <diddledan> foobarry: try something like if (exists $hash{$key}) {}
[15:28] <diddledan> or if you mean value rather than name then it'll be different to that
[15:28] <diddledan> that checks if the key exists in the hash
[15:29] <foobarry> exists argument is not a HASH or ARRAY element or a subroutine
[15:30] <diddledan> if you want a value existance try if ("value" ~~ @array) {}
[15:31] <diddledan> you can use that last one for the first case too, @keys = keys @array; if ("somekey" ~~ @array) {}
[15:32] <foobarry> amazing
[15:32] <foobarry> thanks
[15:32] <foobarry>  ("value" ~~ @array) {}
[15:32] <foobarry> worked
[15:32] <diddledan> err, keys @array should be keys %hash
[15:32] <diddledan> google foo ftw  :-p
[15:34] <diddledan> you can combine the last thing I wrote above to : if ("somekey" ~~ keys %hash) {}
[15:34] <diddledan> the multitude of sigils in perl confuse me
[15:34] <foobarry> perl is like someone else's handwriting
[15:34] <foobarry> i hate fixing it
[15:35] <diddledan> $scalar, %hash, $hash{$key} (scalar value of the element in the hash associated with key), @array, $array[5] (scalar value of the 5th element of @array)....
[15:36] <diddledan> I think it could be described as too powerful
[15:36] <Seeker`> Perl is great, as long as you never want to read it
[15:38] <diddledan> the problem is no matter how good you are at coding, you'll forget something you wrote and you'll therefore have to read it to figure out what it does. and as above that means perl is no-longer great
[15:42] <foobarry> thanks diddledan
[15:49] <Azelphur> Ah, the fun of ebay best offer. I see a machine up for local collection at £800 with "Reasonable offers will be accepted" offer him £250, he tells me if I can build him something like it for £250 he'll buy it off me, so I find all the parts on eBay and drop him a PC Part Picker link to a better build for £287.50 :D
[15:50] <Azelphur> It's one hell of a bizarre build too, old AMD AM3 with 8GB RAM, RX 290...and an AX1200i :S
[15:55] <ali1234> but its AMD
[15:56] <ali1234> lets see the part picker link?
[15:57] <ali1234> if you want a rubbish old AMD AM3 system i have one i could sell you
[15:57] <diddledan> AM3+ is the current socket, isn't it?
[15:57] <ali1234> AM3+ isn't the same as AM3
[15:58] <ali1234> i think AM3+ is the newest one, but its also really old
[15:58] <ali1234> they released it shortly after i got an AM3 system... which would have been about 2008
[16:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZqN34C
[16:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm mostly just stalking for really good deals, I wouldn't mind something with a decent CPU/Board/RAM/Case to drop a GPU into and use as a headless windows steam server
[19:30] <foobarry> Azelphur: do you care about power usage?
[19:31] <foobarry> pick up an R710 for peanuts from companies throwing out 3yr old kit
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:42] <benxyzzy> I just installed flash from the adobe website APT here: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ . How do I reverse this? The install didn't solve the problem and I want to go back to how I was before. Apparently I already had flash-installer installed
[19:42] <benxyzzy> *flashplugin-installer
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  yeah shoudn't need to get directly from adobe
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  but I think that would just put it in a flash folder in home
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes ther's sudo restriced extras that gives you there one
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pluss theres pepper flash as wel
[19:43] <benxyzzy> It was an APT link that opened in Ubuntu Software (I think). I had to enter my sudo password to let it do it
[19:44] <benxyzzy> APT asked to add another software source, which I guess was adobe's
[19:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  i don't know i just joined here, so an apt link from where?
[19:44] <benxyzzy> The dropdown in https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[19:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras should give you flash, mp3 avi etc
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, if you have issues with teh default adobe flash, there's also pepper flash thingey as an alternative
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that wil use chromes flash, but in firefox
[19:47] <benxyzzy> At this point I just want to undo what I may have already done - I started with flashplugin-installer installed, and (probably) installed flash from adobe using their software source. Maybe I should look at the apt history
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, I think it puts it into a hidden folder in home
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if you install directly from adobe
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so finding and deleting that would revert it I guess
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, or it puts in a system folder hmm
[19:49] <Azelphur> foobarry: interesting, could I put a GPU in that? why does it use so much power?
[19:49] <benxyzzy> it opened some link in apt, which asked to add another software source. So I didn't install from tarball or anything - it should have gone from their repos via apt
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, yeah it woud downad from adobe etc
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a tar.gaz or bin or something
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and install
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, same with the restricted extras command really
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats wrong with flash anyway ?
[19:52] <benxyzzy> The last version of linux flash from adobe is very old - deprecated. It says so on the download link itself. I only installed it to try and get 4od working
[19:52] <foobarry> Azelphur: heh there was a thread on reddit today
[19:53] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/5312cq/i_put_a_dedicated_gpu_in_my_r710_and_it_works/
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, indeed it's old, but
[19:53] <foobarry> or just buy/make a cable rather than hard wiring it!
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy,  I read a nice article on omgubuntu like last week or something, how adobe will support flash on linux again
[19:54] <foobarry> rack mount servers seem to draw power for fans and are noisy
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, although not with major new features it seems, but security stability updates etc sure
[19:54] <Azelphur> foobarry: noise would be a concern
[19:54] <foobarry> yeah, best to run in a cold garage
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, thre's pepper flash or whatever it's called as an alternative to  that adobe flash
[19:54] <foobarry> worth keeping an eye out if you have mates getting rid of company kit
[19:54] <Azelphur> foobarry: except that I don't have a garage
[19:54] <foobarry> they are great servers
[19:55] <Azelphur> I have an underground car parking space, 100 meters away...underground? :(
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, chrome has a built in flash, so it's really that, but that can now work with FIrefox etc so
[19:55] <Azelphur> and I live in a 2 bed apartment
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> benxyzzy, and that should work beter than the old adboe flash now even
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !flash
[19:55] <lubotu3`> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pepperflash
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[21:01] <lubotu3`> shedu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:02] <shedu> !Pondering Jamie Maslin - Iranian Rappers and Persian Porn- A Hitchhiker's Adventures in the New Iran (epub).rar
[21:02] <lubotu3`> shedu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> someone was in the wrong channel...
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grr netsplit