[04:55] hello === thumper is now known as thumper-cooking [05:35] Good morning === feng is now known as handsome_feng [06:51] good morning desktopers [06:51] bonjour seb128 [06:52] salut pitti, ça va bien ? [06:52] seb128: oui, mais trop de pluie (depuis vendredi..); et toi ? [06:52] ça va bien ! [06:52] c'est utile de la pluie, le sol était trop sec [06:57] yeah, but 4 days of uninterrupted rain is getting depressing [06:57] actually it *just* stopped now! \o/ [06:58] je peux voir un peu bleu dans la ciel ! === thumper-cooking is now known as thumper [07:57] morning all [07:58] morning willcooke :) [07:59] Morning ! :) [08:00] hey willcooke hikiko handsome_feng [08:01] Hey folks. [08:01] hey TheMuso [08:02] hi seb128 TheMuso seb128 [08:05] argh [08:05] hey TheMuso [08:06] morning Laney, how are you? [08:06] are your ribs getting better? [08:06] just been cleaning cat mess off the doorstep :@ [08:06] AND I pressed print screen by mistake and it's hung my laptop... [08:06] ribs seem better though and I'm generally okay; thanks! [08:07] how are you? [08:07] hey Laney [08:07] Laney: quite well, thanks; I can *finally* see some blue sky and a hint of sun after 4 days of uninterrupted rain \o/ [08:08] Laney, so you got a cat? or just one from the neighbour visiting? [08:08] pitti: garden's going to look *great* [08:08] hey seb128 [08:08] Laney: oh, what did you do? [08:08] just some random cat [08:08] pitti: I mean yours after that much watering :) [08:08] we have about a dozen neighbor cats, and whichever is the alpha cat du jour tends to leave their markings in our garden [08:08] seb128: how's it going? [08:09] ugly step-on mines those! [08:09] Laney, good! sunny but with 19°C, much better than 30°C ;-) [08:09] Laney: oh, heh yes -- I didn't have to water myself indeed :) [08:09] haha [08:09] though having some difficulties to feel awake this morning, working on it with coffee [08:09] this was like - open the door, luckily look down instead of just stepping straight out, "oh, a present, how nice" [08:09] * Laney powers off laptop :( [08:10] the screenshot froze it for good? [08:10] did you sit on the key (and even that shouldn't DoS the system nowadays) [08:10] killed dead nada [08:10] couldn't ssh to it [08:10] weird [08:10] the key doesn't say "FreezeScr"? [08:10] wow [08:10] not even ssh? harsh [08:11] * Laney tries again [08:11] so not even just the "usual" graphic card messup [08:11] Laney: it's gtk bug! [08:11] OMG, I screwed that up [08:11] meh, worked that time [08:11] itz gtk bug! [08:11] haha [08:11] that's some gtk bug [08:12] - crashthesystem(); [08:12] *clearly* from the changed theming engine [08:13] screenshot { crash: true; } [08:13] Laney: still anything in journalctl -b -1 (or syslog) by chance? [08:13] * Laney looks [08:13] I suppose not if it crashed that hard [08:13] no persistent journal of course [08:13] * Laney turns that on [08:14] well, if it makes it that far, then rsyslog hopefully still survived a bit too -- nothing in syslog? [08:15] Laney: oh, you physically powered off, not even SysRq worked any more? [08:15] then there's no hope of logging indeed [08:16] Sep 20 09:04:40 nightingale systemd[8967]: Reached target Timers. [08:16] Sep 20 09:10:00 nightingale rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.16.0" x-pid="1152" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] start [08:17] you know, I don't actually know how to sysrq on that machine [08:17] is it fn + print screen? [08:17] Alt+PrintScr here [08:20] indeed! [08:20] I thought that wouldn't work on the laptop keyboard for some reason [09:08] seb128, are you able to edit the subscribers on this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials [09:09] I /think/ it needs unity api bugs removing [09:10] and then it's either approved or needs another MIR team go-around. Cant really tell. [09:10] willcooke, well, "edit", yes, but you can only subscribe teams you are administrator for, and I'm not for the unity api one [09:10] ah, kk [09:10] one for alecu I guess, I can ping him if you want [09:10] yes please, thanks seb128 [09:10] a couple more sec. acks came in over night [09:11] just tidying up now to try and get the list down even smaller [09:11] willcooke, team has been subscribed from the comments on the bug [09:11] it has, but they said they wanted u-api-bugs removing [09:11] well, at least I think that's what it means [09:11] it's quite confusing [09:11] well, the other one got added [09:11] so that's how they deal with bugspam on their side [09:11] so probably good enough then [09:11] the MIR side is fine [09:12] so you think we can move it to fixed? [09:12] or does an mir person have to do that? [09:12] Everything /looks/ ok to me [09:12] but whadda I know [09:12] need to check with mterry [09:12] ack [09:12] I will assign it back [09:12] he was argue with dobey [09:13] the powerpc tests have been disabled [09:13] which is not nice [09:13] see comments #7-9 [09:13] 7-8 [09:18] This is going to be a day for coffee instead of tea I think. [09:18] yes, it's *that* bad [09:18] * willcooke . . o O (or maybe wine) [09:23] lol [10:02] seb128: hey, mind to check my n-m changelog for patches again? it's 1 rename, 4 drops and 2 additions, all documented in changelog [10:05] if such form is okay, I'll go normal sponsorship process for coming updates [10:23] * Laney stabs multithreading [10:23] LP down? [10:24] ignore [10:24] :) [10:40] seb128, willcooke: anything I can help with there? [10:41] hey alecu! [10:42] alecu, I think the most important things from my perspective are: u-scope-click && seeing if we can drop pay-service for 16.10 [10:43] willcooke: Sure, that's what I've got in my plate [10:43] alecu, super, thanks! [10:44] oh, right, the other thing alecu [10:45] can you remove unity-api-bugs as a subscriber from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials [10:45] Sure! [10:46] thanks! [10:48] willcooke: seems I can't do it: https://launchpad.net/~unity-api-bugs/+members [10:49] ahh, kk - thanks alecu === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [12:26] guten morgen [12:40] ahoy desrt [12:41] how's ←? [12:41] the left arrow appears lovely [12:41] not here actually [12:42] good morning desrt [12:42] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/argh.png [12:44] morning seb [12:45] nice left-arrow/questionmark ligature. a very common and useful thing, to be sure. [12:48] ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ [12:49] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/argh2.png [12:51] "we are the borg. sadness is futile." [13:18] Laney: are you using PackageKit for anything in Ubuntu at time? [13:24] hi ximion [13:25] you mean in the default desktop? [13:25] not that I can think of right now [13:26] other flavours might though [13:26] don't break stuff [13:30] Laney: on the contrary - I will upload a packagekit package today which fixes a lot of stuff ;-) [13:30] ok [13:30] and if you use it anywhere by default, you would definitely want that [13:30] I know you love to break APIs :P [13:31] we will merge it anyway [13:31] if I wouldn't control myself I would end up in an endless cycle of rewrites ^^ [13:31] good job with PK you have hughsie to hold the line [13:31] :) [13:31] but at least the AppStream API is planned to stay stable for quite a long time now [13:32] ha! you haven't experienced PKs past history of breaking stuff [13:32] * Laney knows a bit [13:32] * Laney knows click [13:34] * Laney PRs it up === muktupavels_ is now known as muktupavels === JanC is now known as Guest12202 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === dpm_ is now known as dpm [14:56] ximion: thanks for merging, but reply to my question please - I'm curious :P [14:56] Laney: did that a few msecs ago ^^ [14:57] looks like we might have missed an opportunity to optimize ^^ [14:57] synchronized (#ubuntu-desktop) {} [14:57] :D [14:57] meh [14:57] asgen is getting OOM-killed on the cloud instance [14:58] 8G is not enough? [14:59] Laney: 4G is enough at Debian [14:59] but barely [14:59] are you running master? [14:59] yeah [14:59] I added a few patches to make it go easier on memory [14:59] okay, so maybe just restart it when it got killed until it succeeds... [15:00] haha [15:00] but seriously, this is a bit ridiculous - I know that it will eat tons of ram, but it shouldn't really consume *that much* [15:00] https://paste.ubuntu.com/23207393/ [15:01] I valgrinded all non-GC pieces, and there was no bigger memory leak (and the smaller ones are fixed) [15:01] so either the GC is dumb, or we just have so many interconnected structures that there simply is nothing to free for quite a long time [15:01] the latter might actually be true [15:02] hope it's not something stupid like a leak in the downloading [15:02] Laney: I always wanted to try out GC profiling: https://dlang.org/spec/garbage.html#gc_config [15:03] everything that's @nogc is suspicious, and anything that mallocs as well [15:07] Laney: are you cleaning up stuff properly when a package is close()d? [15:08] what stuff? [15:09] it should all be in the tmpdir [15:10] ok, so nothing in memory... [15:10] maybe keeping a reference on everything via that allPackages thing you do adds additional memory usage [15:11] btw, that's the profiling result for a dry run on one suite and one component (without processing packages): http://paste.debian.net/830522/ [15:11] kind of what I expect [15:13] but the debian thing has the pkgCache too [15:13] the references to an array shouldn't be significant [15:13] no, but the references keep the actual object alive [15:14] even if it isn't needed anymore [15:14] the index is always alive no? [15:14] ok so I could kill allPackages after extracting the langpacks [15:14] not sure I believe this theory [15:15] it would spike up almost immediately [15:15] but this ran for some hours before being killed [15:16] Laney: pruning stuff from the PkgIndex has lead to quite some decrease in RAM usage [15:17] ok, I'll try to just keep the langpacks [15:18] I now prune it after a section was processed [15:19] but if the langpacks stuff still holds a reference to all of thise packages, they will of course not be collected [15:19] it just overrides packagesFor and keeps the result [15:21] I think one general problem with D is that it loves to copy by value and not by reference to achieve safety... [15:21] by-reference is pretty much always an explicit action [15:22] I remember that it was very annoying to achieve in this case [15:23] sometimes asking on the forums is useful [15:23] the people there are helpful, and I sometimes also just do it to highlight something I consider broken :P [15:27] weekly meeting aficionados - I'm in another meeting which is running a little late. BRWY [15:27] unless someone else wants to get started [15:27] lulz [15:31] ximion: do you want me to PR for that MAP thing or will you just do it? [15:31] cyphermox, ping :) [15:32] oki, meeting time [15:32] yay! [15:32] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 [15:32] Meeting started Tue Sep 20 15:32:46 2016 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:32] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: [15:32] * Sweet5hark1 sneaks in [15:33] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:33] o/ [15:34] Let's begin... [15:34] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: andyrock [15:35] quiet day [15:36] let's come back to andyrock [15:36] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: attente [15:36] hey [15:36] * desrt is on team attente [15:36] pretty sick recently [15:36] made a confined glade snap: http://attente.ca/glade_3.20.0.587b5514.1_amd64.snap [15:37] need to add tests for the jhbuild snapcraft plugin before it can be merged upstream [15:37] added glib bindings to content-hub, also just missing tests before it can be merged upstream [15:37] (eof) [15:37] seb128, Laney: could you have a quick look at something for me please, Open mouse settings double click is it orange to the right rather than the left on the slider? [15:37] davmor2: meeting now. after, maybe? [15:37] thanks attente, get well soon [15:37] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: desrt [15:37] yeah no rush [15:37] hihi. forgot to prepare notes again, sorry :p [15:38] usual week. bugs, reviews, etc. starting to write tests on the first round of dconf changes. found a lot of issues, but i managed to get 100% through for the first time this morning. [15:38] that's all, really [15:38] thanks desrt [15:38] oh, also: [15:38] played with containers a lot. systemd-nspawn is pretty neat. [15:39] Laney: whatever you like better [15:39] I can do it ^^ [15:39] (less work) [15:39] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: FJKong [15:39] hi [15:39] 1 Hand over Sogou IM code to NUDT guys, do some guiding work. [15:39] 2 start packaging simple snap packages like: aldo, fldigi, snap register blocked [15:39] 3 report ong bug about snapcraft bug#1624854 [15:39] 4 holiday of Mid autumn Festival [15:39] eof [15:40] thanks FJKong - happy hols! [15:40] o/ [15:40] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: andyrock [15:40] :) [15:40] hey [15:40] sorry I had a troubled afternoon (I had to go to ER) [15:40] oh!! [15:40] :( are you okay? [15:41] basically another week working on unity8 [15:41] yeah just a small problem with a finger [15:41] Which keys? [15:41] sorry to hear that andyrock, hope you are on the mend [15:41] btw i've almosted completed the tooltips for unity8 launcher [15:41] i need to write some testes [15:41] * desrt chuckles [15:42] yeah it's just a small problem :D [15:42] thanks andyrock [15:42] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: happyaron [15:42] 1. short week due to visa interview on Wed, national holidays on Thu and Fri [15:42] 2. fcitx/1:4.2.9.1-3, LP: #1608469 [15:42] 3. spl/zfs 0.6.5.8-1 [15:42] 4. fix radcli (fork and replaces libfreeradius), add radius support in ocserv [15:42] 5. Reviews and summaries [15:42] Launchpad bug 1608469 in fcitx (Ubuntu) "fcitx does not handle XmbReetIC() properly" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608469 [15:42] zfs! [15:42] #topic hikiko === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: hikiko [15:42] * on holidays most of the days [15:42] * have some MPs awaiting review from last week [15:42] * looking at some U7 bugs in the meantime [15:42] EOF [15:43] * Laney thought that was willcooke's summary at first [15:43] "working on zfs now????" [15:43] :) [15:43] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: Laney [15:43] actually was more curious about the visa bit :P [15:43] oh yeah [15:43] this [15:43] • Short week - back from holidays [15:43] • Before I went away I uploaded the new default wallpaper, still waiting for a less banded version to replace the current one with. [15:43] • I also worked (also this week) on charming up the new asgen - the charm basically works now, but there are some bugs [15:44] ∘ a memory leak that makes it get OOM killed [15:44] ∘ some problems with thread safety (fixed upstream) [15:44] ∘ frontend is being hit by openstack being broken - I can't assign an IP to the instance (internal RT #95804 for interested nerds/jocks) [15:44] • Did the small appstream 0.10 transition quickly after the FFe got approved (todo: backport to xenial-backports) [15:44] • Oh I did (and reviewed) some theme bugfixes too (including https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/hidpiicons/+merge/305219 which needs some small fixes) [15:44] • davmor2: it's the same on xenial - something weird there! [15:44] 🛄 [15:44] thanks Laney - I'll take a look at those fixes [15:44] r0x0r [15:44] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: qengho [15:44] Happy Tuesday, y'all. [15:44] * in-progress: new chromium upstream 53.0.2785.113. fine in yakkety, but crash in xenial amd64! memory allocator? Debugging. [15:44] * in-progress: browser snap test, GPU issues, printing still not working. [15:44] * to-do: armhf rasppi chromium crash. Old bug, but needs to be fixed. [15:44] EOF [15:45] thanks qengho [15:45] Did the API changes get a final fix yet? [15:45] Laney: just looked odd so I just wanted a confirmation that it was meant to look like that [15:45] No. I need to find out about Firefox. I ignored it yesterday. [15:46] qengho, ack [15:46] thx [15:46] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: seb128 [15:46] • one vac day [15:46] • some patch piloting (not a full shift but cleaned a bit and got some [15:46] things uploaded for yakkety) [15:46] • several rounds of reviewing the unity8-mirs-stack and testing on the [15:46] daily iso [15:46] • NEW reviews for the touch team [15:46] • yakkety daily iso testing [15:46] • bugs triaging and some fixing [15:46] • joined some snappy discussions (mostly about xdg-open) [15:46] #topic Sweet5hark1 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: Sweet5hark1 [15:46] - two days vacation [15:46] - updated libreoffice snap to 5.2.1 [15:46] -- first attempt rejected: had no .desktop entries while using unity7 (neither had previous uploads, so moving goalposts a bit here) [15:46] -- added .desktop files after hunting for some docs where they are supposed to be [15:46] -- ran into bug 1623580, worked around it by providing .desktop files different from what is documented [15:46] -- filed bug 1625656, as static desktop files arent sustainable in the long run for LibreOffice and likely a lot of others who have non-trivial l10n in desktop files [15:46] -- also noted two new deprecation warnings from snapcraft since the last 5.2.0 build. IMHO that (combined with the rejection due to missing .desktop files which never where there) hints at the danger that we do a lintianification of snap (which will discourage volunteers) [15:46] - looked into bug 1619442 [15:46] -- verified this is a gtk2 backend only issue [15:46] -- gtk2 is phased out and only provided as an emergency fallback from yakkety onwards, so dropped severity from High->Medium [15:46] -- might look into disabling gmenumodel/unity integration for gtk2 if this fixes the issue [15:46] EOF [15:46] bug 1623580 in snapd (Ubuntu) "snapd strips Exec= lines from .desktop files which should be legitimate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623580 [15:46] bug 1625656 in Snapcraft "snapcraft should support dynamically generated .desktop files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1625656 [15:46] bug 1619442 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "An empty bar appeared above the toolbar after upgrade to version 5.2 (Unity7/gtk2)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619442 [15:47] thanks Sweet5hark1 [15:47] #topic TheMuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: TheMuso [15:47] * Worked on getting the terminal app in a deacent state for upload to yakkety. Afaik popey is handling the paperwork. Bug 1623845. [15:47] * Worked out that Orca is usable in oem-config mode under Xenial but not Yakkety. I suspect an a11y stack regression somewhere, not pursuing for yakkety at this point. However, to make things work properly in oem-config mode to allow a user to select a profile during first setup, an extra script will need to be added to ubiquity. No bug yet, plan to file that in coming days. [15:47] * Looked at getting a hold of some bluetooth hardware to track down the various bluetooth audio bugs we have, one being bug 1574324. [15:47] bug 1623845 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ubuntu-terminal-app" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623845 [15:47] bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1574324 [15:47] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: tkamppeter [15:47] - cups-filters: Continued bug fixing on cups-browsed: [15:47] o Many more fixes for problems like failure of CUPS on the server, handling of legacy-broadcasted remote printers, temporary failure of downloading remote PPD, saving PPD options of IPP network printers ... [15:47] - cups-filters: Released 1.11.3 with all the cups-browsed bug fixes of last week. Uploaded to Yakkety. A 1.11.4 will follow soon. [15:47] - CUPS: Synced 2.2.0 final from Debian into Yakkety, fixes an important infinite loop bug which could cause cups-browsed to hang on shutdown. [15:47] - Bugs. [15:48] thanks tkamppeter [15:48] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: Trevinho [15:48] · Working in new menu items for unity8... Done and in review. [15:48] that's it [15:49] thanks Trevinho - well done! [15:49] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: robert_ancell [15:49] - Investigated snap missing metadata - license and title [15:49] - simple-scan 3.22 release [15:49] - Backport GsAuth support to gnome-software 3.20 [15:49] - Fix gnome-software blocking on startup due to changelog downloading [15:49] - Misc gnome-software bugfixing [15:49] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-20 | Current topic: AOB [15:49] Anyone got anything? [15:49] It's flexiondotorg's first day on Monday [15:49] hug for everyone! [15:49] cool [15:49] Everyone's travel looks booked (with one topic to follow up on) [15:50] U8 MIRs are very nearly done [15:50] Beta on Thursday [15:50] Oh, and one of the recs we had filled is now open again - so tell your friends! [15:51] any more for anyone? [15:52] 5... 4... [15:52] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently [15:52] Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 15:52:17 2016 UTC. [15:52] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-20-15.32.moin.txt [15:52] thanks everyone [15:52] merci [15:52] tedg: hey Ted, how are you? [15:53] tedg: is there still something fundamental which holds back the indicator porting silo, or "just" missing merges and other technicallities? [15:53] back, sorry took a bit longer than I though :-/ [15:58] seb128, no problem [15:58] Right, I'm going afk for an hour or so, bbl [15:58] willcooke, ttyl [15:58] seb128, another one ticked off :) No many now [15:58] *Not [15:59] :-) [16:05] [6~[6~[5~[5~[5~ [16:35] Laney: will you be running asgen in production soon? [16:35] * ximion is kind of eager to see how many of the missing metadata issues get solved by that, and what remains to be fixed [16:37] ximion: Not sure, it's tight for yakkety and I wanted to run it in staging first for a bit [16:37] fixing these bugs is important for that of course [16:38] * Laney hopes the sysadmins figure out the problem that makes the IP address not work [16:38] I am quite happy that some people at Fedora envy Debian/Ubuntu for having much more complete and more useful AppStream data [16:39] hughsie's tool seems to be highly selective in what it considers to be appropriate [16:39] doesn't he require appdata? [16:39] asgen just throws warnings at people :P [16:39] jup - and screenshots too, apparently. And also anything that isn't relevent for GNOME Software gets ignored [16:41] he also uses XML as cache and can't find icons which are split out into a -data/-common package [16:41] which isn't such a big issue in Fedora, apparently [16:41] * Laney knows not much about the ways of fedora packaging [16:42] at least the way of the Arch packager is "stuff it all into one package" [16:42] he's probably like "hahaha those debian guys can't find symlinks" [16:42] Fedora seems to be the middle ground [16:42] unless you are texlive - then you are insane [16:42] Laney: symlinks.... who does that? [16:42] (LibreOffice does, but aside from them?) [16:43] firefox and thunderbird at least used to [16:43] so nothing popular :P [16:43] this is one of the cases that's easier to fix in the packages than in the generator [16:44] jup - we all use Lyx and Lynx, no LO and FF [16:52] cyphermox, infinity: hmmmm our bi-annual issue of hardware not being detected seems to be in play on todays image? not detecting the wifi on the dell xps13 [16:55] ximion: I'll see if it survives overnight and do a PR for https://github.com/iainlane/appstream-generator/commit/2636be346654920c21eb9baf14cb9f0432fb3749 if it does [17:00] C-style code comment ^^ [17:00] * ximion does that too ^^ [17:00]