[01:21] <ChronoToss> Hey guys! I've been poking around Mate (and Linux in general) for a few months and I ran into a snag where nm-applet sometimes shows and sometimes doesn't; which doesn't other me, but it makes it impossible to change wireless networks. From what I know there has been a wide scale issue with this in the past, I was hoping that someone might have a resource I haven't tried yet. Any help would be great!
[01:40] <johnc4510> ChronoToss: i have the problem but no solution that i've seen...however, a logout & login brings it up for me
[01:41] <ChronoToss> johnc4510: Do you have the second problem where the GUI does not let you change any settings?
[01:43] <johnc4510> don't know i only have the one wireless net around me here...sorry
[01:47] <ChronoToss> just see if you can hit the disconnect button and have it work .... I can't even do that much
[01:48] <johnc4510> ChronoToss: disconnect works for me
[01:49] <ChronoToss> I can't even do that ... I'm' not learning nmcli
[01:49] <ChronoToss> well I'm trying to learn it, but slow goings.
[01:49] <johnc4510> ChronoToss: could you highlight my nick pls...changing some colors
[01:50] <ChronoToss> johnc4510: not a prob
[01:50] <johnc4510> thx
[02:11] <dasti> I'm looking at trying digikam to organise my pictures, is there's a risk of damaging my installation of Ubuntu Mate if I install it ? (like it happened on mint) ?
[02:14] <dasti> it seems really linked to KDE and last time I tried it really screwed up my audio with skype
[02:41] <RyanTG> Good morning / afternoon / evening / night, all. I'm having a problem with Mate's panels. They keep becoming unresponsive to clicks. I end up starting Mate Tweak from the control center and changing the interface to something else.  I'm running out of something elses and want the default Mate layout back.
[02:43] <RyanTG> Okay... Just switched back to Ubuntu Mate panel layout and it's responding now. Lost every shortcut I'd put on the top panel, but at least I'm not feeling the urge to install Metacity.
[02:44] <Darkhero> What theme and windows manager do you use?
[02:45] <RyanTG> Whatever it is when you install Ubuntu Mate 16.04
[02:45] <RyanTG> only thing I changed was backgrounds
[02:45] <RyanTG> (multiple monitors)
[02:45] <RyanTG> small correction 16.04.1
[02:48] <RyanTG> theme is set to ambiant-mate
[02:48] <RyanTG> Is Ambiant purposely misspelled?
[02:48] <Darkhero> Check mate-tweak, what window manager are you using?
[02:49] <RyanTG> Compiz
[02:50] <Darkhero> hm...
[02:50] <RyanTG> I've been using Linux nearly 20 years now and still can't keep window manager, desktop environment, and whatever lightdm is called straight. God help people new to the OS>
[02:52] <RyanTG> I actually thought the window manager question was X vs Mir vs whatever that third thing is.
[02:53] <Darkhero> I think only unity uses mir
[02:54] <RyanTG> Can't use Unity. Want a DE I can reach via RDP if I want to test something from work using my home system.
[02:55] <Darkhero> Makes sense
[02:55] <RyanTG> had to set up a script to start xfce for those occasions. should probably re-set it up now that i switched to U-M instead of U for 16.04
[02:56] <Darkhero> For now for your panel problem I'd suggest switching to marco (mate's metacicty) and seeing if it solves it, otherwise I'm not sure
[02:56] <RyanTG> Before that I'll have to rip out this damn pfsense firewall.  So many things I used to do on my Linux firewall just aren't there and the pretty web interface isn't worth the trade-off.
[02:57] <RyanTG> Switched to Marco. Maybe I did change that. I remember Wimpy saying something about Compiz. I probably changed it to try something and just forgot doing so.
[02:58] <Darkhero> Compiz seemed stale to me, but I keep it off since I'm using a laptop and want to conserve battery
[02:58] <Darkhero> So I haven't used it much
[02:59] <Darkhero> *stable, not stale
[03:01] <RyanTG> Thanks for reminding me I have to fix my laptop.  There's a PPA on there returning a 404 so I'm going to yank it out.  Apparently Eclipse for Xenial isn't a thing anymore.
[03:02] <RyanTG> (And that's on-topic because the laptop was UM1604 before the desktop. <g>)
[03:06] <RyanTG> Thanks for the help. Hopefully the panels stay responsive.
[03:07] <Darkhero> No problem. Hope it helps
[03:11] <RyanTG> for the number of times i've typed apt-search, you'd think i'd have aliased it to apt-cache search by now
[04:27] <onmate> anyone here? new mate user here not sure if ive actually installed it or not haha
[04:27] <onmate> i chose the install MATE option after booting
[04:28] <onmate> but when i came back after doin the pre-install stuff i had a message that said ubuntu 16.04 had crashed
[04:28] <onmate> but im in the OS
[04:28] <onmate> welcome screen didnt pop up automatically but everyting else seems fine
[04:29] <alkisg> onmate: press alt+ctrl+t to open a terminal
[04:30] <alkisg> There, write this: ls /usr/share/xsessions
[04:30] <alkisg> What is the result? This will show us if you have mate or some other desktop environment
[04:36] <onmate> k
[04:37] <onmate> it says mate.desktop!
[04:37] <alkisg> Cool, then you have mate
[04:37] <onmate> how can i tell if its on my hdd
[04:37] <onmate> just to make sure
[04:37] <alkisg> "(07:27:47 πμ) onmate: i chose the install MATE option after booting" ==> I'm not sure where you selected that, though
[04:37] <alkisg> Which .iso did you install from?
[04:38] <alkisg> Like, ubuntu-mate-16.04-i386.iso?
[04:38] <onmate> i mean as soon after bios i had boot order set to a usb with mate mounted on it
[04:38] <onmate> and that usb being used for boot gave me an option to install or just try MATE
[04:39] <onmate> yes
[04:39] <onmate> 64 bit
[04:39] <onmate> 16.04
[04:39] <alkisg> lsblk --fs => shows you where your partitions are mounted
[04:39] <alkisg> ├─sdb2 ext4   xenial-mate   e1f06e01-d2dc-45e5-b446-54e1e4a5dc22 /
[04:39] <alkisg> ==> this will mean that "/", root, is mounted in sdb2
[04:39] <alkisg> (in your case it should be sda1)
[04:40] <onmate> sorrryy im confused sda = partitions of the installed-on drive?
[04:41] <alkisg> Paste the output here
[04:41] <alkisg> And I'll explain it
[04:41] <onmate> wan me to pastebin first
[04:41] <alkisg> sda is the first disk, sda1 is the first partition of the first disk
[04:41] <alkisg> Yes
[04:42] <onmate> http://pastebin.com/hT2FnJ4L
[04:43] <alkisg> So it seems that you have installed ubuntu, but you have now booted from the usb stick again instead of the hard disk
[04:43] <alkisg> Remove the stick and reboot
[04:44] <onmate> you mean try to restart comp without hte usb?
[04:44] <alkisg> Yes
[04:44] <onmate> ok so i should turn off comp first right
[04:44] <alkisg> Yes
[04:44] <onmate> btw i was never given an option to choose what drive to install on
[04:45] <alkisg> You did go through the installation steps, right?
[04:45] <alkisg> I.e. writing your username there
[04:45] <onmate> yeah
[04:45] <alkisg> OK, reboot and we'll see
[04:45] <onmate> kk ill just enter TRY mate if it doesnt et me come back to this
[05:03] <NOTonmate> alkisg: imback, sadly I had to changemy name
[05:04] <NOTonmate> I tried to start my computer without the usb and it just told me to insert a device to boot from and restart my computer
[05:04] <NOTonmate> and when I put the USB back in, it didn't even boot like it was installed on it; it just gave me the same options as before: try or install MATE
[05:05] <NOTonmate> I opened up the USB on THIS computer, and it looks exactly the same as before the installation
[05:06] <rumflump> are there screenshots of the various ubuntu-mate layouts somewhere?
[05:06] <rumflump> I dont run ubuntu mate right now myself, but I want to show a mac user the very mac-style layout that it has in ubuntu-mate-tweaks
[05:15] <alkisg> NOTonmate: it looks like you didn't manage to install it
[05:16] <alkisg> NOTonmate: do you want me to have a look with screen sharing?
[05:16] <alkisg> rumflump: google for ubuntu-mate images?
[05:23] <NOTonmate> dont think that that would be too helpful, since the problemis on my other computer
[05:23] <alkisg> You didn't boot the other computer with the usb stick?
[05:23] <alkisg> "try mate" there...
[05:26] <NOTonmate> I'm getting errors now on my usb stick when I try to boot fromit
[06:36] <asus> hello
[08:06] <mate|8629> hello everyone, i have a problem with ubuntu-mate 16.04.01 LTS and my Acer Aspire One d150-1 Bk, can someone help me?
[08:10] <alkisg> !ask
[08:28] <mate|8629> I installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04.01 LTS on a netbook, Acer Aspire ONE D150-1 Bk and I have two issues:
[08:28] <mate|8629> 1) when I turn off my netbook, the netbook doesn't turn off, but it goes to standby mode, so I need to press the ON button, the pc restarts and again clik on the icon to turn off the pc, and my netbook goes OFF, same thing when i turn it ON, i press the On button, and after the bios message, the PC goes to standby mode, I need to press again the ON
[08:28] <mate|8629>  button and only after this procedure, the PC turns ON, so what's the problem?
[08:28] <mate|8629> 2) Sometimes when I turn on my PC the Wi-Fi card doesn't show any wireless network, so i need to open a terminand issue the following comand: " sudo service network-manager restart " , why I need to do this, why the Wi-Fi card sometimes doesn' show any wireless network? .. Many Thanks
[08:32] <guiverc> mate|8629:  i have a dell that does (1); but it did the same in windohs 7 too; for my dell it was a hardware issue for me... but a "shutdown -h now" command dOES shut it down correctly; so I just shutdown from term on my machine.
[08:37] <ouroumov> mate|8629, there's ongoing network issues with ubuntu 16.04, people are working on it, loads of bugs have hit network-manager and the nm-applet
[08:38] <ouroumov> mate|8629, keep updating your system and hopefully those will go away after a while
[08:42] <mate|8629> guiverc: ok, many thanks previously in this netbook i installed Windows XP and it goes OFF normally, I try with a "shutdown -h now" command and the PC turns OFF normally
[08:44] <mate|8629> ouroumov: Thanks,
[08:44] <mate|8629> you're referring to my second problem, is not it? ... Do you think that the two problems can be connected?
[08:46] <ouroumov> mate|8629, that's unlikely
[08:46] <ouroumov> (yes I was referring to the second problem)
[08:50] <mate|8629> ouroumov: Thanks
[08:52] <mate|8629> I also noticed that when I turn off my PC, the screen goes all black and it appears only a line that says something like " dev/sda1 clean , xxxxxx bytes, xxxx bytes " something like this .. This wording is a result of a "fscdk"?, ... can be reconnected to my problem?
[08:54] <alkisg> mate|8629: no, this is just the boot message screen showing again while shutting down
[08:55] <alkisg> About the network manager restart, try sudo systemctl status network-manager before restarting, so that you see why it's not up
[08:58] <ouroumov> mate|8629, also check your power management settings
[08:58] <ouroumov> mate|8629, System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Power Management
[09:08] <mate|8629> I checked and i set all the optionsto " Never " and " Do Nothing ", but same problem...
[09:42] <mate|8629> alkisg: here is the output of the command that you wrote, performed after switching on the PC before restarting the "service network-manager" ..https://thepb.in/p/76hErQzXPk1HV
[10:20] <mbt> hi
[10:22] <mbt> how to find any malware running in ubuntu, example: unknown background data consumption
[11:32] <honglei1990> Hello,World!
[11:34] <honglei1990> how can install chinese input?
[11:34] <honglei1990> lalala
[11:41] <rizzo_> hello
[11:41] <markus73> hallo, sind auch deutsche user anwesend ?
[13:22] <mate|8629> Hi, I have problems with Ubuntu MATE 16.04.01 LTS and my Acer Aspire ONE D150-1 Bk, I exposed my problems here ---> https://askubuntu.com/questions/827362/problems-with-ubuntu-mate-16-04-01-lts-and-acer-aspire-one-d150-1-bk , If someone can help, it can respond also here, Thanks.
[13:32] <ouroumov> mate|8629, hi
[13:33] <ouroumov> can you try: sudo systemctl disable tlp
[13:33] <ouroumov> Reboot, see if it changes things.
[13:36] <ubuntu-mate> hello, I have an external hdd that is not recognized, it makes a sound every time I plug it in
[13:36] <ubuntu-mate> any way to recover the data?
[13:36] <ubuntu-mate> even here the gparted doesn't recognize it
[13:41] <mate|8629> ouroumov: What does this command? .. if it does not work, what is the command to reactivate this "tlp"?
[13:41] <ouroumov> mate|8629, it's a power management daemon for laptops
[13:42] <ouroumov> to re-enable: sudo systemctl enable tlp && sudo systemctl start tlp
[13:44] <alkisg> mate|8629: please type /nick username, to specify a username that we can talk to...
[13:44] <alkisg> Your log says that your pc was asleep, not powering on
[13:44] <alkisg> I.e. you suspended, not powered off
[13:46] <framex14> hello, I have an external hdd that is not recognized, it makes a sound every time I plug it in. Any way to recover the data? Even here the gparted doesn't recognize it
[13:47] <alkisg> framex14: unplug it. run `udevadm monitor` in a terminal. plug it. put the output to pastebin. and, also put the output of `dmesg | tail -n 50` to pastebin.
[13:48] <Darkhero> framex14: what is the file system?
[13:49] <framex14> ntfs
[13:49] <Darkhero> Does it show up when you do fdisk -l in terminal?
[13:50] <framex14> no it doesn't
[13:52] <alkisg> framex14: can you do the commands/actions that I said?
[13:52] <framex14> alkisg, I ran the termninal with that command but after plugging it, it did not show anything
[13:52] <alkisg> framex14: if udevadm monitor doesn't show anything, then the disk doesn't communicate at all over usb
[13:53] <alkisg> Try it with something else, like plugging your mouse or a usb stick
[13:53] <framex14> yeah all the ports work
[13:53] <framex14> everything else is recognized
[13:53] <framex14> but the hdd
[13:54] <Darkhero> Does it work in any port?
[13:54] <framex14> I've tried them all
[13:54] <alkisg> framex14: that means that its circuits don't work, so there's no point in trying anything else
[13:54] <alkisg> It's not e.g. a platter issue, it's a chip issue
[13:54] <framex14> it just beeps every time I plug it in
[13:55] <ouroumov> framex14, either the disk is dead, or the interface between the disk and the USB cable is dead.
[13:55] <framex14> oh geez
[13:56] <ouroumov> You should try to pull the disk out of the casing, and plug it into an adapter.
[13:56] <framex14> The thing is that if I want to format it in windows with its software I am able to but I want to recover the files
[13:57] <alkisg> According to what you're saying, you shouldn't be able to even see the drive in windows
[13:57] <alkisg> Since udevadm doesn't receive any usb events at all
[13:57] <alkisg> Try it without usb, like ouroumov said, put it in some sata slot
[13:57] <Darkhero> So it is recognized in windows?
[13:57] <framex14> it doesn't show, but when i run the software that it came with, it gives me the option to format
[13:58] <alkisg> that just means your internal disk, probably
[13:58] <ouroumov> haha
[13:59] <ouroumov> framex14, fyi there's a name for software coming with hardware products: "Bloatware", or less kind: "crapware"
[14:00] <framex14> Ok, I'm going to try to open it up
[14:00] <framex14> or plug it directly into an adapter
[14:01] <framex14> thanks for the information everyone
[14:03] <alkisg> np
[14:03] <framex14> it looks like the head is stuck
[14:10] <IQBen> Can anybody please advise on migrating sd card + software from Pi 2 to Pi 3?
[14:11] <alkisg> Isn't pi3 compatible with pi2? Won't the same sd card work there?
[14:12] <IQBen> for some reason I'm getting stuck on the rainbow screen when I boot
[14:12] <IQBen> it's nothing to do with power consumption though
[14:15] <alkisg> That usually indicates an inappropriate kernel or config.txt or cmdline.txt or firmware... you could try installing from scratch in another card, then take the files from the working boot partition and put them in the older boot partition....
[14:16] <IQBen> ok will look into that, thank you
[14:50] <leonidas__> hey guys how do i install apps from an image?
[15:06] <awais> hello
[15:07] <oacc> hello
[15:07] <awais> from which country you all are?
[15:07] <oacc> from china
[15:07] <Darkhero> US
[15:07] <oacc> and you ?
[15:08] <awais> germany
[15:08] <awais> my parents r from pakistan
[15:08] <awais> but i was born here in germany
[15:11] <ouroumov_> France here
[15:13] <ranoff> is there anyway to get a volume controller on the sidebar for the mutiny interface
[15:14] <ouroumov_> ranoff, I don't think so, maybe you can push a feature request :)
[15:19] <ranoff> ah ok
[15:26] <mate|42027> Hello, i have a problem with my resolution. Can someone help me, please?
[15:32] <Darkhero> What seems to be the problem?
[15:37] <ryan__> my firefox is constantly crashing on launch, does anyone know how to get a new firefox from terminal?
[15:41] <judoo> i started dto installl steam but now the terminal wont let me type
[15:41] <ryan__> maybe its working
[15:41] <judoo> the package installer terminal
[15:41] <Darkhero> you can open another instance of terminal
[15:42] <judoo> treu but idk if i can install the packages from here
[15:43] <judoo> ryan its just asking for my sudo pw to install 3 packages
[15:43] <judoo> i doubtt its processing something
[15:44] <ouroumov_> mate|99650, look up xrandr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[16:00] <mate|99650> sorry my pc crashed
[16:00] <mate|99650> If i connect my Ralink 3070 WiFi, Linux crashs after 10 min. maybe anyone know why?
[16:01] <judoo> mate|99650, look up xrandr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[16:01] <judoo> ouroumov said that RE resolution issues
[16:01] <mate|99650> thanks, i look at it now
[16:02] <judoo> dunno bout your crashing problem are you sure its not a coincidence
[16:03] <mate|99650> yes, it happens only if i connect the wireless and try to work with it (reaver, testing my router)
[16:03] <mate|99650> it happens without reaver too
[16:10] <mate|99870> crash again^
[16:11] <ouroumov_> hm
[16:11] <ouroumov_> mate|99870, review your system logs @ /var/log/kern.log for weird stuff
[16:16] <mate|99870> https://jpst.it/NA8Y
[16:17] <judoo> make a forum post
[16:17] <judoo> its aso kinda early in here
[16:17] <judoo> so not many people active in chat
[16:18] <mate|99870> oh ok, thank you :)
[16:19] <mate|99870> i am not using the Mate version, but its ok if i post it in the forum here, or am i wrong?
[16:22] <ouroumov_> mate|99870, you'd better ask in #ubuntu since this is likely to be a kernel/driver issue
[16:23] <mate|99870> Ok, thank you for your time, have a nice Day :)
[16:23] <ouroumov_> mate|99870, same to you
[17:17] <matecrate> I'm trying to download Ubuntu Mate on an Asus T100 in order to make an image for Raspberry Pi, but when I click on the download button, nothing happens. When I try in Raspian I get SSL handshake failure??
[17:18] <Darkhero> Where are you downloading from?
[17:19] <matecrate> I dunno. I am on TWC cable.
[17:19] <matecrate> Charlotte
[17:19] <Darkhero> Do you have a torrent client?
[17:19] <matecrate> I'm sure I do, but I'm not used to using it, so finding it is the only problem.
[17:20] <Darkhero> Go to the website and download the image from there
[17:20] <Darkhero> ubuntu-mate.org/download
[17:20] <matecrate> It doesn't seem to be happening. Now, I have overlooked the obvious before, don't know if I am now.
[17:21] <matecrate> Are there any alternative sources??
[17:22] <matecrate> In fact, a long time ago I tried to download Ubuntu for a Windows desktop. It installed but didn't become functional.
[17:22] <Darkhero> Not sure
[17:22] <johnc4510> i did an update and got new kernel and headers today...rebooted, and some odd things happened...went to empty trash and clementine opened, tried my home folder and clementine opened...did uname -r and it showed the 4.4.0-31 generic...ran auto remove and it wants me shows the 4.4.0-34 to be removed?
[17:22] <matecrate> Hmmm.
[17:23] <johnc4510> is that a regression
[17:23] <johnc4510> or am i nuts
[17:23] <johnc4510> lol
[17:23] <matecrate> I get nothing.I get two choices once I click download: 16:04.1 and 16:1.0 or something like that. Beta.
[17:24] <matecrate> But nothing at all happens when I push the button.
[17:24] <Darkhero> download 16.04.1
[17:24] <matecrate> 'K. As soon as I figure out how.
[17:25] <Darkhero> Go to ubuntu-mate.org/download, cick 16.04.1, then click on your architecture
[17:26] <Darkhero> From there you can find torrent and direct download links
[17:28] <matecrate> On the Pi, where I got the SSL handshake failure, the web said that my not having a clock was a problem. I went through the rigamarole to set the time and found that it was going to be a learning curve. I didn't have the etc/init.d/ntp file. It did have the fake-hwc file. So I did a reset from the terminal, but still nothing.
[17:31] <matecrate> It doesn't give me those options.
[17:32] <Darkhero> You can't load the website at all?
[17:33] <matecrate> Oh sure! I can get the website, but there are no parameters. I only get download buttons.
[17:33] <matecrate> Choose a release, it says.
[17:34] <Darkhero> click ubuntu mate 16.04.1 lts
[17:34] <matecrate> I suspect Windows. Don't know.
[17:40] <ouroumov_> matecrate, you've got a small screen?
[17:52] <matecrate> Ouch! I just turned my coffee over. Glad it was only black.
[17:52] <matecrate> I have a 10 inch screen.
[17:53] <alkisg> matecrate: you are on windows and you can't find the link to download the ubuntu mate iso?
[17:54] <matecrate> I am on the download page. I get nothing when I click on the buttons.
[17:54] <alkisg> matecrate: which browser are you using, and which version?
[17:54] <matecrate> 8,1
[17:54] <matecrate> Tablet.
[17:54] <alkisg> 8.1 is a browser?!
[17:55] <matecrate> Oh, I'm using Firefox.
[17:55] <alkisg> I mean like internet explorer, firefox, google chrome...
[17:55] <johnc4510> k...i got the 4.4.0-38 generic kernel to load and got rid of the old ones...but odd behavior with clementine and caja and trash still exists...any ideas?
[17:55] <alkisg> matecrate: click on its menu, and select "show desktop  version"
[17:56] <matecrate> It doesn't happen. ??
[17:56] <matecrate> Dead end.
[17:56] <johnc4510> i can launch caja from the dock but from the panel it starts clementine...same with trash
[17:56] <alkisg> matecrate: which version do you want, 32bit or 64bit?
[17:56] <matecrate> I think it is 64 bit on the Pi 3
[17:56] <matecrate> ??
[17:57] <alkisg> johnc4510: file associations are not related to the kernel at all
[17:57] <alkisg> That's armhf then
[17:57] <alkisg> not x86
[17:57] <alkisg> matecrate: here it is: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img.xz
[17:57] <johnc4510> alkisg: k...it's just that i noticed it right after update....can't figure it out :(
[17:58] <alkisg> johnc4510: it may be related to the update, but not to the kernel update
[17:58] <alkisg> Other packages may have been updated as well
[17:58] <johnc4510> nods
[17:58] <alkisg> You can go to mate-tweak and reset the panel
[17:58] <alkisg> And then drag/drop whatever entries you want there
[17:58] <matecrate> Ok. That gave me a, uh, result. It might be downloading.
[17:58] <johnc4510> alkisg: thx for that...i'll try it
[17:59] <alkisg> johnc4510:  If it happens again after the reset, you can run xdg-mime query etc to see the associations
[17:59] <johnc4510> thx
[17:59] <alkisg> np
[18:00] <matecrate> It is downloading. thx. I have a slow connection. Looks like 40+ minutes.
[18:01] <alkisg> matecrate: why are you downloading this on a tablet? do you have the appropriate tools to dump it to the sd card?
[18:03] <matecrate> I will have to use an image creator if I do it from windows, and a partition tool.
[18:04] <matecrate> If I do it from the Pi I will have to install Raspian and then proceed from there.
[18:04] <alkisg> Your laptop has normal windows, and not the rt thing?
[18:04] <alkisg> *tablet, sorry
[18:05] <alkisg> I mean, why aren't you using a real pc...
[18:05] <matecrate> No. Not RT. It is a full 8.1 version just like would go on a laptop, only there are some differences.
[18:05] <ouroumov_> alkisg, it's not a browser issue why he couldn't find the download link.
[18:06] <alkisg> ouroumov_, do you think it's a pebkac error? :)
[18:06] <ouroumov_> alkisg, matecrate: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/the-download-page-on-ubuntu-mate-org-needs-to-take-less-vertical-space/9050/1
[18:06] <matecrate> I only have an Asus T100 now. When I upgraded to my next computer, this was it. In fact, I love it. However, there are issues.
[18:06] <matecrate> Perhaps I should have tried IE.
[18:07] <matecrate> I am so used to Firefox that I don't even think of that.
[18:07] <alkisg> matecrate, do you know the resolution of your tablet? like 1024x768?
[18:07] <ouroumov_> It works fine under firefox matecrate, it's a website design issue
[18:07] <matecrate> Higher, but I'm not sure right off the bat.
[18:07] <matecrate> Oh. I see.
[18:07] <ouroumov_> you gotta scroll down once you select the architecture
[18:08] <alkisg> It works with 1024x768, so I don't think it's a resolution issue
[18:08] <matecrate> Trouble is that I am easily stumped. Sometimes it takes me a while to figure out the obvious. But I get there.
[18:08] <ouroumov_> alkisg, maybe you've zoomed back firefox, or I zoomed in, don't know
[18:09] <ouroumov_> Because on my netbook w/ 1366*768 it's not visible
[18:10] <matecrate> Neat! I scrolled down but there is nothing but the two choices. I zoomed out, but nothing. Something dead ended.
[18:10] <matecrate> Script, probably.
[18:11] <ouroumov_> hm
[18:11] <ouroumov_> So maybe alkisg was right and it's not a res issue
[18:11] <ouroumov_> matecrate, you're using the T100T?
[18:12] <ouroumov_> matecrate, that device was like the hardest linux intall I've ever done in my life
[18:12] <matecrate> It might be because it is a tablet. But it functions like a laptop. Yep. Using the T100
[18:13] <matecrate> As far as I know it isn't possible, or at least not practical to install it on the T100. It has something to do with... well, it'll come to me. It is the new Microsoft security and all.
[18:14] <ouroumov_> matecrate, off the bat you're gonna be hit with the BayTrail complete freeze bug that'll require intel_idle.max_cstate=1 as kernel boot parameter, the wifi won't work, and after install you'll need to manually do the first boot by selecting the linux image and the other thing that I've forgotten the name of
[18:15] <ouroumov_> matecrate, it's possible
[18:15] <ouroumov_> It's just freaking hard
[18:15] <matecrate> Ok. I will keep this in mind. I don't expect it to go smoothly.
[18:15] <ouroumov_> Someone wrote a guide on a blog
[18:15] <matecrate> Yeah, I looked into it. At the time when I looked it wasn't. They were still trying to figure it out.
[18:15] <matecrate> Don't think I want to go there now.
[18:15] <ouroumov_> matecrate, this guide is the one I used: http://www.jfwhome.com/2016/01/04/latest-steps-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-asus-t100ta/
[18:16] <ouroumov_> matecrate, I wrote a comment under the name "ouroumov"
[18:18] <matecrate> Microsoft has frustrated me so, that I want to finally become more proficient in Linux. But on a different computer.
[18:20] <ouroumov_> Well you're in the right place
[18:21] <johnc4510> alkisg: no luck on panel refresh...but i checked my home folder and the permissions are root...can i change that with chown or whatever?
[18:22] <matecrate> I really like my T100. At first I wasn't sure that the smaller keyboard would be so great, but now I find it so comfortable that I wonder why I ever used a full sized one. But the T100 has a battery issue. For a while it wouldn't charge.
[18:23] <ouroumov_> johnc4510, your problem is just wrong app starting?
[18:23] <johnc4510> yep
[18:23] <johnc4510> as far as i know anyway...heehee
[18:24] <matecrate> Ok. Download failed, it says. ?? Naturally.
[18:24] <ouroumov_> johnc4510, Go to the preferred application settings, I'd wager something is missing there.
[18:24] <matecrate> Alright. Gotta go. I will keep plugging at this. Thanks so much everyone.
[18:25] <ouroumov_> johnc4510, see https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/bookmark-from-menu-places-opens-with-wrong-application/8268
[18:25] <johnc4510> ouroumov_: thx...gone exploring :)
[18:31] <alkisg> (09:21:26 μμ) johnc4510: alkisg: no luck on panel refresh...but i checked my home folder and the permissions are root...can i change that with chown or whatever?
[18:31] <alkisg> [18:31] <johnc4510> ouroumov_: checked out the preferred settings first and caja was missing :( not sure why, but adding it fixed all...mucho thx
[18:31] <alkisg> If you have files inside /home/username/* that are owned by root, that's a big problem
[18:31] <ouroumov_> johnc4510, great
[18:32] <ouroumov_> johnc4510, can you please post on that thread on the forum that you were also affected?
[18:32] <johnc4510> ouroumov_: i will do that but it'll be later
[18:33] <johnc4510> thx again
[18:33] <ouroumov_> thx
[18:35] <johnc4510> alkisg: agreed...i'll be looking into that later...thx
[19:11] <johnc4510> ouroumov_: ok i posted to the link on the forums you had supplied...
[19:12] <johnc4510> now to figure this home folder permissions fubar
[19:17] <johnc4510> ok, this is just weird...now home folder is not root and has all user permissions enabled
[19:17]  * johnc4510 shakes my head
[19:21] <johnc4510> without knowing i'd say that since file mgr wasn't selected in preferred apps. it misread my home folder...not sure
[19:23] <johnc4510> bug?...how to prove?...but thx to ouroumov_ and alkisg  for helping me out...this mate release brought me back to ubuntu...
[19:23] <johnc4510> it's been really solid
[19:32] <joia> ok guys weird problem here
[19:32] <joia> i installed ubuntu mate from my usb boot stick to my HDD
[19:33] <joia> i formatted it first andd now i can see all the mate files on it
[19:33] <joia> but i just booted with the HDD on boot priority 1 and i had a choice between installiung or trying MATE
[19:33] <joia> it didnt just boot into it, now im in TRY mode with none of my settings or profile etc saved
[19:34] <joia> whas goin on
[19:37] <ouroumov_> hm
[19:37] <ouroumov_> no clue
[19:37] <ouroumov_> pull the boot stick
[19:37] <ouroumov_> reboot
[19:40] <joia> again?
[19:40] <joia> but without he stick in?
[19:58] <joia> I havenoclue what is goingon
[19:58] <joia> I set my HDD to boot priority 1 and took out the USB boot stick
[19:58] <joia> and it won't boot at all now; it just asks meto insert a proper boot device and restart
[19:59] <joia> I can see Ubuntu MATE system files on my HDD, I can even see the programs I installed while it was running
[20:06] <deepfreeze_> hi
[20:07] <deepfreeze_> i have a problem with my 3 monitor setup. Sometimes after booting only 2 monitors are working. After I restart all 3 are back.
[20:19] <john__> Mate boots very slow...is this a result of the software updater?
[20:19] <nomic> hmm
[20:19] <nomic> any usb drives attached
[20:20] <Darkhero> go into terminal and type systemd analyze-blame
[20:20] <john__> no...wireless mouse is all and an external fan
[20:22] <john__> I get an "excess arguments" result
[20:25] <john__> systemd analyze-blame
[20:29] <user_m> guys, i re-installed ubuntu mate. everything went well, but after i hit the restart button it went haywire and gave me squashfs erros. after a hard reboot everything seems ok... should i be expecting erros?
[20:44] <nomic> erm no
[20:47] <joia> if I were to specify a boot file location in BIOS for my Hard Drive... where would it be?
[20:48] <joia> assuming the HDD already has Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS installedon it
[21:06] <sixwheeledbeast> If it's a default installation it should just boot. As long as it's installed correctly and the USB drive is removed.
[21:08] <sixwheeledbeast> You maybe able to see files on the HDD but that doesn't mean the system will boot.
[21:09] <joia> would  booting for the first time with the USB still attached mess everything up?
[21:09] <joia> after installation I was told torestart my computer and when I did that the USB was still attached
[21:11] <joia> I dont get why the HDD wouldnt be able to boot if all the necessary files are there; it was a completely default installation with internet connection the whole time
[21:11] <joia> everything for booting should be on the drivenow
[21:14] <sixwheeledbeast> No it wouldn't it would just boot from the USB again, USB and other removable media is normally higher priority and HDD last
[21:18] <sixwheeledbeast> If it detects no boot device then it's not installed correctly the system has not detected a bootable system you will have to either repair it or reinstall it with the live image (the USB)
[21:20] <sixwheeledbeast> Before that you may want to double check your settings on the motherboard, if new install it should be a GPT/EFI install you may have to setup your motherboard for that if it's in MBR mode
[21:25] <joia> so it should be in GPT/EFI mode and not in MBR mode?
[21:25] <joia> I admit I may have to reinstall but this installation had no problems
[21:26] <joia> Everything else seems to have gone well, it installed on the correct drive and with no errors, etc
[21:30] <joia> so doesthat mean UEFI boot should be enabled?
[21:48] <joia> okay new question: My BIOS has UEFI boot disabled (for all drives), and yet my Ubuntu initial boot screen looked like the UEFI option from thislink
[21:48] <joia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[22:20] <joia> I have an EFI partition, a Linux Filesystem partition, and a Linux Swap partition on my HDD (plus 1.1 mb of free space)
[22:21] <joia> Ubuntu is calling it the /dev/sda1 or 2, 3 device
[22:21] <joia> It says that the partitioning ofthe Hard Disk is GUID Partition Table
[22:30] <joia> apport 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 crashed when I booted from my USB
[22:32] <joia> looks like all it does is generate crash reports... thats ironic
[22:43] <joia> The /boot/efi/ folder in my HDD is completely empty it seems
[22:43] <joia> But there is an efi file called grub in /boot/grub/
[22:43] <joia> sorry /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/
[22:47] <joia> i wonder if I just got whatever EFI files belong in /boot/efi/ and pasted them in whether or not it would then boot properly
[23:46] <joia> I did a boot info report and found a boot option 0000 that doesn't seem to exist in my BIOS
[23:46] <joia> the report claims that this option is given last priority, but like I said I can't even see it
[23:59] <joia> Nice,I've managed to reduce my problems to something more understandable
[23:59] <joia> Now when I try to boot from my HD, I get the GRUB Boot Menu (so it recognizes a bootable partition on my HD) but when I choose Ubuntu it freezes